Larry Fitzgerald out of the desert and into the Windy City? I think so.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 7:26 PM CST
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PrintFirst timer here, so please forgive me for any screw ups. Anyways apparantly Fitzgerald might be looking for a new team sooner than people think. Lets discuss the possibilities brought to the table from a potential conferance shacking move from "The Big Toaster" to the Windy City.
Okay so the situation is that ever since the Cards lost to the Niners on MNF there have been numerous reports stating he has become disgruntled from being on a losing team with an offense that has fallen apart with the departures of QB Kurt Warner and WR Anquan Boldin, as well as being stuck with an inconsistant defense. Unfortunately I am unable to provide a link to any specific website, but after serfing the web for more stories each time I visited a site pertaining to the Cards they all had stories related to this subject. Anyways when summarized Fitzgerald sounds a little like this " Im tired of losing, for me its not all about the money its about winning." And apparantly he doesn't want to go to ANY team, he would only go to a team that to him would present him a chance to win games with, a team with an Offense that has a young talented QB coupled with an offensive genious that has a system in place which would highlight his strengths, and a team that has a CONSISTANT defense. And to make matters worse the Cards look like they will not use all that money they stocked up on to build a winning team, a team which Fitz would be proud to play on.
All the signs are now pointing to him WANTING OUT OF ARIZONA!!! So, when looking at possible suitors one name comes to mind as a perfect fit...DA BEARS!!! We have the QB in Cutler, the OC in Mike Martz, and the defense to win championships. Best of all he is a perfect fit. He has the size, speed, hands, physicality and best of all HIS ROUTE RUNNING to become even better than he ever was. Plus, he wont be the only deadly weopon on this team, rather we would be the cherry on top at the least. With Forte at RB, Olsen at TE, Knox Bennett and Hester at WR he wont be stuck as the only legit threat. The offense would instead open up to levels never before seen in chicago. And remember this, his number one priority is NOT FINANCIALLY RELATED, rather to him it's all about WINNING. So how 'bout it? Cutler to Fitzgerald, I like the sound of that.
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Sounds great but.......
How many early draft picks will it take? I think Angelo is gunshy on giving up tons of picks. Now fitz would be as close to a sure thing as there is but the cost would be high. looks like he has another 2 years left on his current deal so the cost would be numerous 1st and 2nd rounders, doubt he would go for the 3rd rounder the Ravens gave for Boldin, which I have been pointing out all season was an absolute steal. Sounds great but I dont see it getting done unless Arizona is wanting to dump some salary and expect a nasty bidding war, lots of teams could use Fitz.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 16, 2010 7:39 PM CST reply actions
I don't think it would take mor ethan a single first round pick.
He isn’t a QB. As good as he is, I don’t see AZ getting more than a single first rounder, or at most a 1st and maybe a 4th or 5th, but I lean more towards the stand alone 1st. It seems that over the last few years, people keep placing the high price tags on players, but then players go for far less. Remember that while Fitz is among the best, AZ losses some leverage in that he has no desire to return to the Cardinals.
The last several years, you kept hearing how Boldin was going to draw a 1st or 2nd. He ended up going for a 3rd. I don’t see anyone getting Fitz that easy, but I doubt he goes for more than a 1st rounder and a situational player or a mid round pick.
Of course, you never know. Two teams could get into a bidding war and that value could end up skyrocketing.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Reference?
he has no desire to return to the Cardinals
Can i get a direct quote?
13. It's a magic number
Like I said I appologize but I dont have a good link to forward anyone here
But what I do have is this
“
Im not all for the money, Im all for the winning. I want to finish my career here, but if my chances of winning are else where then Im going to look at the possibilities presented”
-Larry Fitzgerald when asked about reports of his dissatisfaction of the Cardinals season, and wheather he ever considered leaving the Cards.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 17, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
I understand but,
there is no credibility without some sort of reference or siting
13. It's a magic number
I understand
I’ll see what I can do
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
The Gonzalez trade is a good example
Everyone expected a first rounder for him, instead they traded him for much less
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
He was suspended for the first 4 or 6 games of the season if I remember…. so, you were already not getting a full 16 games out of the guy, plus a possibility of further punishment if he had any other incidents.
San Diego was apparently asking for more in the Vincent Jackson trade talks… all the way up past his deadline to start the season at game #1.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
The most realistic trade comparison is Anquan Boldin
Sam friggin team… same friggin pro-bowl position
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Here is why I thought the Gonzalez trade was the best
All the trades desribed are all similar, but with Boldin what really dropped his stock wasn’t the market, but the fact Fitz was on the same team, and as the opposite reciever. Boldin was seen as the “sidekick” and not the lead dog of that corps. Holmes was suspended and whenever the Rooney family says that you are a distraction, EVERYONE took notice. Gonzalez, on the other hand, was THE player of the Chiefs at the time. A future HOF TE would normally go for at least a number one as a minimum. Instead he went for a couple of second rounders.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 17, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Because Gonzalez is friggin old!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Also the guy has ties to Minn so expect that to play into his desire to leave his current deal
I see him in a Vikings uniform next as sad as that sounds.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 16, 2010 7:41 PM CST reply actions
Actually that may not be so true
After reading a little more into the situation he wants to be on a team with a good QB as well as having a system in place that highlights his strengths, as desribed in my piece. Minny has NONE of those in place, so those are 2 strikes against them. Also, Arizona just might dump him after all, since everyone is concerned about a lockout, and this wouldn’t be the first time Arizona got rid of their best players.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see AZ dumping a player of Fitz's quality and getting nothing in return.
Look at how long they held on to Boldin because they couldn’t get what they wanted out of him.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Thats true
However no one expected them to dump Carlos Dansby for nothing either
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps
But even if that was the case still nobody ever thought they would simply git rid of him.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
You miss something here....
The Cards didn’t cut Dansby. His contract was up. They had to either WAY overpay him with a franchise tag or let him walk. Not the same thing as cutting loose a player with two years left on his contract that every team in the league other than Detroit and Houston would consider an improvement as their #1 WR.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
There is a short list of about 5 or 6 guys we could use as a true number 1
I think Knox would really benefit from a veteran receiver coming in this off season and school him on the finer points of being a star receiver. Knox has potential but he seems to be no longer progressing and that is concerning me.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Dec 16, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Knox is still progressing
But having a dominant player as such would definately be a major gain for him, as he can learn from the best when it comes to route running.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Vincent Jackson is another good option
But what has me concerned is his health and commitement.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Health...maybe.
Commitment? Nah. The whole thing this year was about money. Mankins did the same thing as did Marcus McNeill but I’m sure damn near every person here would take either in a heartbeat.
WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!
Well commitment may not be as big I guess
But his health is definately a red flag
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Also
His route running ain’t exactly what Mike Martz would desire
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
This is true.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Plus
He never ran in a style of offense Martz employs. Remember Norv is the evil brother of Ron Turner
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Not true......
Both draw their schemes from Sid Gillman and ultimately from Don Coryell. Norv’s strain of the Coryell offense only really differs from Martz’s in that his version requires a very good receiving TE. Martz actually lists Norv as one of the people who influence his offense. One of the things you can see Martz doing that comes directly from Turner’s influence is the way Martz uses the H-back.
Turner is one of Martz’s major influences and their offenses are not as dis-similar as you think.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
I thought he and Ron ran the same offense?
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
No way.
If that were the case, we would have had a good offense. I’ve never liked Norv as a HC, but as an OC, he’s as good as they come. Ron borrowed some things from Norv, but his offense is not the same,
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
And i would call Ron the evil Turner brother.
Anyone who can twist an offense into something so bad, and in doing so cause so much heartache to the fans, is definitely evil.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Ha that is true especially the McNeil part
I wanted him SO bad!
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
You're not the only one.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
hell yeah
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 18, 2010 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
Im not going to lie
After finally being able to see the thrashing the Bolts laid on the Niners its a real tempting option if Fitz is not avaliable. I hope Fitz becomes avaliable but after seeing Jackson score 3 times as well as showing improved route running he truly has me thinking, why not.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
We suck at drafting in the first round anyway... deal the pick.
We should be dealing our 1st rounder every year, as long as Angelo is doing the drafting.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I find no flaw in your logic, sir.
Looking over the course of Angelo’s tenure, Only Harris and Olson really couldn’t be called busts. That’s a pretty poor return rate from your first round picks, if you ask me.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
You are sadistic.....
You, sir, must have a cold black heart that is two sizes to small. Otherwise why would you continue to remind me of this?
;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Hahaha
BUT if he wasn’t here we would be without Peppers and Cutler and Knox and Hester. So yea he sucks in the first round but the recent deals he made plus his drafting in the later rounds is what has us on top of the NFC north.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
It's also a large part of what kept us out of the playoffs the three previous seasons.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe, but....
The guy missed his whole first year, failed for the most part in his second season and lost his position and was moved inside in the third, meanwhile the Bears are starting a 7th rounder at tackle while the first round pick is playing (poorly) at RG. Williams hasn’t exactly been a success story, and while I hope he turns things around, I’m at the point that I’m not crossing my fingers any more.
This first round Offensive Tackle is not capable of beating out a career backup and a 7th round turnstyle for a tackle position on the worst rated offensive line in the league. While I hope for Chris’s miraculous turn-around, I can no longer sugar-coat or ignore a fact like that. I have a lot of faith in a lot of players on this team, and am usually the optimist, but Williams isn’t cutting it. I hope I am wrong and he turns it around.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 17, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, playing (poorly) at left guard.....
I need to start proof-reading before I post instead of after, lol.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 17, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Chris is an okay guard
Just not for the left side. I feel his future is at RG. Lets see what Herman “the house” Johnson has at LG
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 17, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly....
I see his future, at this point, as a backup somewhere else. I don’t see the Bears resigning him at this point when he contract comes to an end. Again, I hope I’m wrong and he turns it around, but Williams was drafted too high, underperformed and then subjected to DMS. That spells career backup on my ouija board.
And for the record, I hope the guy makes me look like I don’t know crap, honestly………
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 17, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly believe with Tice coaching him up
Chris Williams can become a solid O-Lineman. He is getting better at LG, and perhaps a move to RG might be what the doctor ordered for this rather severe case of DMS. I mean he is rather quick as an interior lineman, pulling and getting to the second level is his biggest strength. His biggest weakness is one on one mach-ups with HUGE noseguards. At RG he would generally be matched up either against a smaller 3 tech against a 4-3 or an end against a 3-4. And thats where he might be headed too.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 17, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Williams is looking more and more
Like another draft “boner” by Angelo. When we took him at the 14th spot in that draft, there were a slew of quality players still on the board, including Mendenhal, Otah and Johnson. As you mentioned, right now our “franchise left tackle” is playing LG, and rather poorly at that…
You should look at who was teaching him before Martz and Tice
O-linemen take a rather long time to develop. Before Tice those clowns before him were teaching Williams and Omiyale and Garza how NOT to block. Tice is teaching him (and everyone else) the fundamentals of blocking, which is showing improvement throughout the season. Let him develop, and I still think he is going to get moved to RG. I still believe it is too soon to call him a bust.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
I would like to see him get some continuos play at one position
before declaring him a bust. He has been hurt and shuffled from one position to another. I am not overly optimistic he will be much, but I am not convinced it has been proven yet that he cannot play in this league.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 18, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
True
He has had good games at Guard this year. A transition from LG to RG just might be what he needs to succeed.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
I agree...
I just don’t think he will get that opportunity here. I get the feeling he will be the next Marc Colombo. Hurt early, misused often, and then become a solid but not great starter somewhere else.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 18, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Here is what I think
Tice is saving William’s career. He is teaching him the basics and Chris is getting better throughout the year. It is a long, painful process. He is a tough guy, he will progress.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Hoep your right man...
we need this line to really come together next season.
It will, Im confident in Tice's abilities as a coach
Plus Im more worried about the O-Line coming togeather over these last 3 games heading onto the playoffs. I have a feeling we have yet to see them play their best ball yet.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2010 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
If anyone can get the best out of CWilliams
it is Tice.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 20, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
As far as a bidding war is concerned something interesting comes to mind
Larry Fitzgerald isn’t the only big name reciever teams may be after. So that may help us in our favor.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 8:57 PM CST reply actions
Who else will be available that's in Larry's league?
I can think of two names that I would place in the same breathe as Fitzgerald’s right now (well, really one name said twice). Johnson and Johnson. Andre and Calvin. Fitzgerald is Elite. There are other good receivers out there, but there are only three Elite receivers in the league, IMHO.
Some teams will look at the second tier receivers. But a few will likely try and lock in on the one Elite receiver available this year. Elite players don’t usually change teams often, so if Fitz is on the Market, that will be the Big deal, as Peppers was last year.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
They might not seem like they are in the same league
However, they are still extreamly talented options and if the price for Fitz is TOO high, then teams might feel they can get a better deal with the others like Rice, Jackson, and others.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
That is true.
But that does not mean that two of the 32 teams won’t see the difference between Elite and good. The possibility is there for a bidding war. Doesn’t mean that will definitely happen. But it very well could.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yes it could very well turn out to be a nasty bidding war
And if that were the case then honeslty Im not so worried over it. HE managed to steal Cutler from a “certain” trade to the skins
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
You dont have Roddy White in this category? I would consider him Boldin, and V. Jackson as up there with him. Of course Andre being the top choice then Fitz. I would take any of these 6 guys though.
by Jonathan Heun Jr on Dec 17, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Wait Roddy White isn't avaliable is he?
Yes Roddy White along with Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, and of coarse Larry Fitzgerald all comprize THE elite recievers of the NFL. Funny fact just came up, the AFC have the majority of elite QBs playing in their conferance while the NFC has the majority of elite recievers playing in their conference. Anyways if Roddy White or Andre Johnson are avaliable, then both of those players are definately worthy of consideration.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 17, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
No, I don't..
Don’t get me wrong, White is a very good WR. But he’s not in the same class as Megatron, AJ or Fitz. Elite is just that. The best of the crop. The A+ receivers of the league. keeping to that I would put White int the A-/B+ category. Very good, but not the best.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 17, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
I have him in the top 5
And he is a real cool comeback story too. From potential first round bust to pro bowler is a story worth writing about and selling. And if avaliable he too would be a great fit.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 17, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Here's what I see that nobody is talking about.
AZs trade history) Exhibit A: Anquan Boldin.
Boldin wanted out of AZ for 3 seasons. AZ could not get what they felt they deserved from him, so they refused to trade him. They kept him there even though he didn’t want to be and eventually traded him only after Beaston grew enough to replace him and Boldin had started to decline.
I’m not so sure that Fitz will be leaving AZ. Who do they have to replace him? And how much do they want for him Will they treat this situation differently than they treated the Boldin situation? I keep asking myself what the chances are that AZ can replace the talent of a guy like Fitzgerald. Now, if they saw Boldin as too important to part with for less than they felt he was worth, then how far will they go to make sure they can adequately replace Fitzgerald?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 9:00 PM CST reply actions
Again another good point
But, the Cards definately dont want a player of Fitgerald’s level becoming a distaction, and if teams see this then the barganing price will come WAY down.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
That assumes that Fitz is the type of player to make it a distraction during the season.
So far, he hasn’t made any more noise (and I would argue less noise) than Boldin did. And we saw how that turned out.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Well
There is potential for it. He definately isn’t a happy camper right now. And, if he doesn’t see any improvements fast then the situation could roll down hill from there.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 9:09 PM CST reply actions
Fitz is a pretty classy guy...
from what I’ve seen of him, anyways. I don’t see him as the TO/Moss kind of guy who destroys his own image. In fact, this whole thing is about his image. He patterns himself after Jerry Rice. He wants to be remembered that way. That’s why he wants to leave AZ in the first place. If he creates problems, he becomes exactly the opposite of who Rice was.
It would contradict what he wants to do for himself. I just don’t see it happening that way.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
He certainly is a class act
But again he certainly isn’t very happy with the current team.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
True..
But they haven’t exactly done him wrong, either. They paid him like he was Elite. If he bucks too hard, he becomes the villain, and then he losses that “Rice” image he wants so badly. He becomes the guy not living up to his end of the contract. The guy who abandons his team when the chips are down. That is clearly not what he wants, and he is carefully pushing on that envelop right now. It’s one thing to express the desire. It is another thing to spit in the face of a contract that you agreed to, and don’t think that Larry isn’t conscious of it.
I think it’s very possible that this plays out with Fitz finishing his contract in AZ, whether he likes it or not. Not definite, but certainly within the realm of possibility.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 16, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
That unfortunately is also true
It all depends on weather or not the Cards show him that they are serious about winning.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 16, 2010 9:24 PM CST reply actions
IF the Cardinals would be willing to deal him, which I doubt
Angelo should be a front runner for grand prize (Fitz). Like it said above. We have everything Larry Fitzgerald could want in a team. Except a good O-line, but besides that we’re in!
Good young QB with all the tools needed.
Good complimentary WRs & TEs
An elite defense
A pass happy OC
And Larry Fitz did catch balls in college, at the same school a certain other fella did… hmm
Hey Erik, I really did enjoy your post. Just a helpful hint here. Use some spacing on your post (paragraph form). It makes the post a smoother read and it’s easier on the eyes.
You lost me at elite defense.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Haha thanks I'll remember that the next time I do another fanshot.
Again sorry if its not the best it could be, it is my first time.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 17, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
There just edited it, hope it helps
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 17, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Dude you're fine
I like your energy, excitement, and enthusiasm. Very good first post.
Yes
However when dealing with rookie WRs there come up a few potentially catastrophic problems.
1) They seem great in college, but once they step into the NFL there is no telling what will happen, good AND bad
2) Even with that much talent I really don’t believe JA would select the RIGHT reciever, but I will admit Knox has become a pleasent surprize.
And 3) Why risk a 1,2, or even 3 when an elite, PROVEN reciever is suddenly made avaliable onto the market, as described.
But I see where you might be going with this so please be free to name a few good rookie prospects
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 17, 2010 9:01 PM CST reply actions
good 1st post
if there is a way to get fitz into chicago w/out giving up the proverbial farm then it seems like a no-brainer to deal a 1st rd pick or a mid-round pick plus a good-not-great player or something. as has been stated many times, giving up a 1st round pick each year while angelo is doing the picking is more than ok if it is traded for a proven outstanding player.
Thanks
And I’ll remember to post links the next time a topic as such is brought up.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
how upset would phillip rivers be...
if vincent jackson had jay cutler throwing to him… OH YEAH
did i mention i love boobies?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 18, 2010 8:26 AM CST reply actions
He would be PISSED!!
But honestly Im not certain about his health. If healthy he could be a decent threat, but he still needs to work on his route running. Mike Martz is perhaps the stingiest coach when it comes to running routes.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
It makes sense for Fitz to come to Chicago
But, let’s remember he’s not a free agent. He’s not the one choosing. I understand that teams would probably not be willing to trade high draft picks for a 2-year rental if he told them he wouldn’t sign, but from what I’ve seen, Fitz is the kind of guy that won’t be demanding a trade anytime soon. I might be wrong, but I’m not sure about Fitz being able to come
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Dec 18, 2010 9:32 AM CST reply actions
Yes unfortunately it sucks he isn't a free agent
And mostly this post was out of speculation. However as far this type of situation is concerned anything could happen. Its not an immanent event but he certainly isn’t pleased with the Cardinals organization.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Only partially true about Fitz not having any say in choosing....
Fitz has a “No Trade” clause in his contract. Which means that AZ can only trade him to a team he agrees to or they cannot trade him at all.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 18, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for just reminding me of that
And he already pubically stated what he wanted (which is all described in the post), which really makes me believe that if he does indeed demand a trade, then we are quite possibly his top choice.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
if not #1 than
you’d think we would be in the realm of possibility. this team is about 3-4 players short from being extremely good on offense.
by reefermadness3 on Dec 19, 2010 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
And if this team does get a WR like Larry Fitzgerald
Or someone like Roddy White, Vincent Jackson, etc…plus when this O-Line gets solidified along with Midway Jay getting more comfortable with this new offense, we will have all the pieces to become a jugernaut when considering we have the defense to win championships with.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm apparantly Vincent Jackson is a popular topic on these boards
And with his probable exit from San Diego ( yes, he is a free agent!) stay tuned for another post discussing the prospects of Jackson and what he can bring to the table.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 12:37 PM CST reply actions
I don't trust V-Jax's off the field problems.
DUI, DUI, DUI
"Welcome to the place where I lazily threaten people and then everyone laughs."
- Kev H
That is a concern
That and staying healthy. But perhaps a change in scenery would be good as far as off the field issues.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
larry could fitz right in
the fitz could be in soon after the season , how about building that o line so jay could stay upright? let forte gain space. Larry then fitz right in
O-line is getting rebuilt on the fly, Forte is getting space (certainly better than AZ)
But if all the magic does indeed happen, there should be no problem in him fitting right in. BTW I like your use of Fitz in that post lol
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
O-line is getting bandaged together.....
But Omiyale is not a good LT (though I think he could be a solid RT). Garza and Kruetz are aging poorly. Webb has shown some promise at RT, but I honestly believe the Bears would be better served to bring in a true LT and move Omi over to the right side. And Williams is Williams. He might pan out at LG, and he might not. I don’t like the idea of moving him to RG. He’s an OK pass blocker for a guard, but he’s not “mauler” enough to play RG. Look at Garza. Like him or not, he’s mean and tenacious. Those are not qualities that Williams possesses. The biggest thing to me, though, is that Garza was moved back to the RG spot from LG to place Williams at the LG spot. If Tice saw a RG in Williams, why didn’t he just place Williams there in the first place, rather than moving Garza around again?
I think the Bears need to acquire a left tackle, a right guard and a center this off season, be it through FA or the Draft, but none of this 7th round crap.
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 18, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Again great point
You most definately are a good tutor T-Train. And I definately wanted 1 particular LT, but he has been locked up. Whenever I watched Williams run block though, he always seemed to do an effective job, especially when he is pulling and getting to the second level. And he is getting a little nastiness to him, its just taking time for him to build his swagger
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
I hope your right.
I haven’t given up on him yet. But I am creeping that direction. I’m getting the sinking feeling that Williams will be leaving Chicago soon, and that we’ll end up watching him start somewhere else as a solid, effective RT. That or that he just ends up watching from home like the rest of us.
He’s definitely got some raw ability, but he has some negatives, as well. He doesn’t get low enough, for one. His arms were also the shortest in his draft class. He’s like the NFL version of the Tyrannosaurus Rex. I also don’t much like his pop off the line. Especially with them T-Rex arms, he should be moving these DTs backwards a bit with that hand pop, and he’s not, at least not consistently enough for my liking.
I’m hoping Tice can make a man out of him.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 18, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
He is
Williams is getting more comfortable at guard, just wait if just given the patience then he could become a better player than we all possibly thought he could.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Options
Sidney Rice is a free agent after this season, and may not stay in Min.
Vincent Jackson is a free agent after this season, and may not stay in SD.
Malcolm Floyd is a free agent after this season. He will probably stay in SD.
Santonio Holmes is a free agent after this season. NYJ will probably sign him.
Draft: A.J. Green will go top 10 so we won’t have a shot at him.
Justin Blackmon might have the best separation skills in the entire draft class and looks like a real stud. See his games against Texas (1st-2nd round Corner Aaron Williams covering him) and Nebraska (1 on 1 against Prince Amakumara, a 1st round pick to be at Corner) to see Blackmon perform well against other top talent in the upcoming draft. He got the better of both multiple times.
There are some other guys getting 1st to 2nd round love, but mostly because of size and college production rather than ability to burn elite corner prospects or route running skills. Just my take though, others may disagree.
Personally I think it would be great to land Sidney Rice or draft Justin Blackmon.
I like the option of signing Jackson best
I like Blackmon however again he would be compeating against faster, stronger and experiance corners. That is my only concern besides his hands, which arn’t to bad but could be better. Anyways Jackson has ran in the same system we currantly have ( thank you T-Train) and he probably has some of the best seperation skills in the entire league. And if he can stay healthy, he could be a monster pick up for Cutler and Martz.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 20, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Not the exact same system, but an off-shoot from the same branch.
Martz’s twig does require a bit more route running precision than Turner’s branch, and Turner makes more use of TEs than Martz, but there are more similarities than differences and Martz claims Turner as one of his major inspirations for his offense from Turner’s Cowboys days..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 20, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think we can afford him.
You can’t have all stars at every position. Would you rather have Forte, who will need an extension soon, or Fitz. In an ideal world, he would be awesome though.
by DisCUBbobulated on Dec 21, 2010 12:39 AM CST reply actions
That is most definately a valid concern
And now to be honest I would much rather be able to run the football in foul weather than be too specialized
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 21, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
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