What exactly has Martz been doing to his Offense?

by scespy12 on Dec 19, 2010 3:32 AM CST

We all know that Martz has a "fondness" for the pass, but what has been going on with his O?
Yes I realize that the obvious answer is "running the ball" but what I mean is what has this done to the offense that created the greatest show on turf?

Consistency... that is what Lovies jamming the run game down Martzs mouth has created. Martzs offense is a Zampese Inspired version of the Air Coryell. The major difference between a Croyell and Martzfence is that the QB is not only taking 5-7 step drops but is pushing the ball downfield to spots rather than recievers. What that accomplishes is that a reciever shows at the spot with room to run, verses a reciever having to catch a ball then manufacture yards after the catch.

Back to the point, Lovies enforced running has given the offense more of a traditional Croyell feel, where the running game is simply to keep the defense honest. Oddly enough it actually resembles the offensive work of one Ron Turner. Not the Ron Turner of 2009 but the Turner of 1995. With Erik Kramer at QB they were able to put some points on the board with a creative passing scheme and a supportive run game.

I mean traditional croyell in terms of utilzing the running game not the passing aspect of the system. The route Combinations are what give martzs offense the pizzazz ( ive always wanted to use that word in a sentence) that we expect from his offense and are the major differentiations of the systems, unfortunately our offensive line is still our offensive line so the ability for cutler to get the ball downfield is disrupted. I guess what I am getting at is that our Matrzfense is really just the croyell and I like it this way.

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Mike Martz has definatley adapted his playbook to our personell

And the whole team has benefited from that. Im extreamly pleased that he is not asking Cutler to throw the ball all over the place, rather take whats there. And what I really like about the Martzfence is that it is extreamly unpredictable. One week you could see an extreamly conservative approach and then the next week could present a far more aggresive unit. That throws defenses off significantly.

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2010 11:20 AM CST reply actions

The offensive line determines what you can do on offense.

The passing game only works for this time if the defense has to respect the run.
Even with a balanced attack our line is not good enough to give Jay time to make a 7 step drop and go vertical. We are lucky if can execute a handful of 5 step drops during a game. When the Offensive improves to the point where Jay can drop back 5 and 7 steps we will see the Martzfense until then we will only see a fraction of it.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Dec 19, 2010 1:33 PM CST reply actions 2 recs

^ this

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by chicago030 on Dec 19, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions

Yes that is true

Yet even with that I believe it’s safe to say Mike Martz has earned his stay in Chicago.

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions

granted Martz short game is better than Turner's French Toast Offense

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Dec 19, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions

Coryell

It’s Coryell.

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by Kev H on Dec 19, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions

My apologies... It is coryell.

You’re the mod here… (wink,wink)

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by scespy12 on Dec 20, 2010 1:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Mike didn't learn it from Coryell

He learned it from Norv Turner who learned it from Ernie Zampese who learned it from Don Coryell

I like Turner’s version best.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Dec 19, 2010 5:32 PM CST reply actions

Well it is based off of the Coryell offense

However his version has been changed so much during this season that it deserves to be considered its own offense. Hence what I like to call the Air Martz system, where others call it the “Martzfense”

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions

Not true.

He learned it under Zampese but norv was not involved.

When I played I was a triple threat.... Stumble.... Fumble.....Grumble....

by scespy12 on Dec 20, 2010 1:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

I don't think Norv and Martz ever coached together

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 20, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions

Mike was Norv's QB coach in Washington 1997-1998

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions

before that he worked for Chuck Knox under Chick Harris at the L.A. Rams

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions

was that when he learned the Turner variation?

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 20, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions

He says He was inspired by Sid Gillman and Don Coryell

but it was under Norv Turner he learned the systems NFL nuts and bolts that make it work. Norv Turner much like Zampese and Coryell before him has always keep a power running game as an important part of the system. Martz preferrs to use his running backs as receivers

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions

I would think after spending a few years under

Chuck Knox and Chick Harris Martz would know something about the running game.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions

Why assume he doesn't?

Just because he prefers the pass, does not mean he does not understand the run. The rules are so slanted in favor of throwing the ball, unlike in Knox’s era, why wouldn’t you be a pass first team?

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by lookingdeadred on Dec 20, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions

on the contrary I do assume he does!

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions

I think we can consider Martz's offense...

Coryell/West coast. I think Martz has earned the right to coach another year. With an improved O-line and more improvement with Culter, Martz deserves to be OC for as long as he wants too. Martz has impressed me this year. I think he has learned that you need to run the ball to win.

by Mandingo54 on Dec 19, 2010 6:48 PM CST reply actions