The Bears Den: December 22, 2010
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...where we may see more snow this coming Sunday.
Photographer Bill Smith provides his photos of the Bears- Vikings game.
The always-insightful Brad Biggs provides thoughts after the Bears latest victory.
Dan Pompei wonders of there is trouble on the horizon for the Bears.
The most recent Power Rankings from the booyas.
Kevin Seifert's Free Head Exam of the Chicago Bears.
Follow WCG on Twitter!
QB Aaron Rodgers expected to return this coming Sunday for the Packers.
Who was this week's NFCN high energy player? Of course it is.
The Bears could actually still end up with the #1 seed in the NFC playoffs.
Mike Mulligan wonders if the Bears should start resting their players.
Sean Jensen says that the players are thrilled to have clinched the North for Lovie.
John 'Moon' Mullin says that the Bears are all-business right now.
Hall of Fame talks regarding Devin Hester.
Football Outsiders has some harsh words on QB Jay Cutler.
Pro Football Focus has their most recent MVP candidates ranked.
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Rashied
Rashied has gone from one of the players that I used to hate to one of my favorite players on this Bears roster. Every time I see him play, here him quoted, or watch him on the sidelines, all he shows is that he is a team player. And I truly think he loves being a Bear.
by ClawsClawsClaws on Dec 22, 2010 8:36 AM CST reply actions
Random humorous Bears stats
Chris Williams has caught the same amount of passes as Kellen Davis and Dez Clark…… 1 catch for 4 yards. LOL.
Tommie Harris has just 5 solo tackles, and one half of a sack.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Superman wears an Urlacher Jersey under his costume
by BearNecessities on Dec 22, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
my bad for not putting a headline...I know, I know
Superman wears an Urlacher Jersey under his costume
by BearNecessities on Dec 22, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
One a side note as random mumbling
For a team that spends so much scouting energy on drafting pass rushers, we sure suck at it. None of our draft picks have made any impact whatsoever as pass rushers since Mark Anderson’s rookie year.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
One exception: Wooten killing Brett Favre
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Henry Melton is doing a nice job as well.
I know you're curious Joseph, you're at that age, and you often forget to delete your internet history.
Here's hoping it's just
the first of many big QB sacks..
by David in Maine on Dec 22, 2010 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Wooten is somebody who fits the description of a young Julious Peppers
Big, yet a freak of nature in terms of athletisism. He simply blew up the Vike’s “pro bowl” LT and crushed Favre. I believe this is only the beginning for Wooten. As for Melton he really has been a decent surprize. I believe if he gains just a little more weight and continues his development, he will make us all forget Tommie Harris. He just has so much potential, and I believe Hot Rod has seen that.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Wooten and Melton could be gamers for years to come.
Great athelticism
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 22, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
We've all forgotten Tommie Harris already
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Well, thats a given I guess
But if Melton continues his development, he will become a force inside that D-Line
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry But Tommie Has To Go
overpaid and I think the younger guys like Melton and Teonai (or whatever his name is) are better than him.
Plus I would be STUNNED
if the Bears didnt draft a DT in the 2nd or 3rd round…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I Would Be Really Pissed Off
if JA does that again- it will show that he is a bigger idiot than I gave him credit for.
I asked Moon in a chat
a couple of weeks back what he felt the team needed in the off season / future….He said from what he understood they thought OL help and a 3 tech DT were the big needs and depending on who you talked to the priority changed daily…….So I think its going to happen…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Not happy with their play
Now they did mention that they thought Melton would be solid but they want better production from that position…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
And by "they"
is what Moon said….So not sure who “they” were…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
We have bigger needs right now
need a couple of O-linemen, and a corner. Peanut has been a great player for us but he was a step slow to begin with being a converted safety and he has lost another step.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Toeina
And at this point the money used to pay Tommie could be used to pick up a good guard
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Developing Pass Rushers Takes Time
Good DEs and DLs are a premium, they seem more hit and miss than drafting QBs, it seems.
I just hope JA starts to address the OL in the upcoming draft, something he has failed to do time and time again…
My hope is for the following...
A. Get an elite/top tier FA WR in the offseason.
B. Draft: 1.CB, 2. DT, 3. OT, 4. OG/OC, 5. OG/OC, 6. and 7. best available prospects
Not that the needs are in that order per se, but more that the value/quality of these players at these positions dictate this order. A LB prospect might be right in the middle rounds, but not at the expense of the O-line.
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
The Bears Need Another DL?
Granted I can see the need for CB but our O-line should receive first priority. We should draft a OT, G and CB for our first 3 rounders. No more QBs, Angelo (We need to give Hanie a chance of Jay goes down). Another LB and DL in the latter rounds is OK.
The only D-Lineman we need are large(er) and nastier nose-tackles to open up lanes for Melton and Company
Lean and mean doesn’t have to mean tiny and undersized
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
A Big Nose Tackle Doesnt Work For Cover 2
Thats why JA doesnt draft them, he prefers faster DLs for the front four.
Why not?...
If the 3-tech cannot get pressure up the middle consistently, then 2 guys not getting pressure up the middle isn’t better. The Bears could get a quality DT to play NT in the 2nd round. I like Adams and Toeaina as rotational back-ups, but a true stud at NT makes that defense great and prolongs the career of Urlacher and Briggs, possibly even Peppers. Plus it give Melton a chance to develop into the T Harris replacement at 3-tech.
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
IMO...
that’s the problem. JA keeps drafting DTs like the Bears play in a dome! Perhaps he could just get a big, angry, nasty, DT and worry less about his 40-yard dash time!
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
I'm more worried about who is going to play corner next year
Peanut wasn’t fast enough to begin with and has lost a step.
we can get a nasty nose tackle year after next, we need an Oline and a corner yesterday.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Agreed...
I see CB as the #1 priority and finding high quality cover guys past the 1st round is a risky proposition. My thought is that getting a guy who can play “shutdown” (or at least darn close) man coverage allows the Lovie/Marinelli to be more creative in the rest of the coverage and keep within the Tampa2 base.
Not that the Bears don’t need the O-line help, but I can see getting more value out of a DT in the 2nd and still get a quality guy for the O-line in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Guess it depends more on how the draft unfolds.
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
A mock or two that I've seen around the web...
Have us taking DT Drake Nevis from LSU in the first. Can’t say I’d be upset with a choice like that.
WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!
Prefer
Stephen Paea myself….Thats if they go DT 1st round….
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Loviue does not like big space eaters like Minn's Williams squared
he likes smaller more athletic types who can penetrate and disrupt as opposed to large immovable object types.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 22, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
I just wish...
he’d entertain the idea. I think he might find it easier to get a space eater NT than the next Warren Sapp at 3-tech. I get his concept of a speedy (if albeit undersized) d-line that can rally to the ball, but I think the Bears get hurt too often against teams that run inside on their smaller DTs. Plus, I think a space eater prolongs the career of key guys like Urlacher, Briggs, and Peppers.
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
That doesnt mean we cant get a bigger yet athletic player to play the nose
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Haynesworth!
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 22, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Remember, lean and mean doesn't have to be tiny and undersized
All they really need from a NT is someone who is big, powerful, and fast. I seem to remember Shaun Rogers used to play NT for Hot Rod when he was with the lions. Remember how devastating he was in that scheme? And he was 6ft 4 340 pounds.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
Draft another Safety too... since we still haven't found one.
And, let somebody else make that draft selection for once. The track record sucks balls.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Id Give Wright
one more year, he is still a raw rookie, we can’t expect to have everyone make an immediate impact.
Wright looks promising
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 22, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Wright really is a good prospect
Honeslty he has had a few bad breaks and calls against him. He truly is a beast at FS
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Developing Pass Rushers takes Time? How much more time do you want to give Angelo?
Since Angelo’s first Bears draft in 2002, he’s drafted 13 defensive lineman.
Corey Wootton DE Northwestern
Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State
Henry Melton DE Texas
Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas
Ervin Baldwin DE Michigan State
Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan
Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma
Mark Anderson DE Alabama
Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma
Tank Johnson DT Washingtonh
Michael Haynes DE Penn State
Tron Lafavor DT Florida
Alex Brown DE Florida
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Im Not Disagreeing With You
I think we need to stop drafting DLs and develop what we have. We have more serious issues at O-line and our secondary.
And I think we need to have SOMEBODY ELSE draft for us.
That’s a horrible success rate for a team that is designed to rush with the front 4.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Agreed
Not a very impressive list aside from Brown, Mr. Rookie and 3 years of Tommie Harris.
by John McMuffin on Dec 22, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
This made me think of something...
Does anyone realize that the Bears draft in 2009 was more of the more successful drafts that Angelo has ever had? I mean this is the draft that many felt was doomed for failure because of what we gave up for Cutler.
With the exception of Jaron Glibert who was a total bust in the 3rd round, Angelo grabbed Henry Melton and DJ Moore in the 4th round. Grabbed Johnny Knox in the 5th, and even Lance Louis in the 7th who has played this year.
With all the criticism of Angelo, and all the bemoaning of the 2009 draft that we gave up so much for Cutler, here we sit a year and a half later with the Bears being division winners with important young pieces of this team coming from the draft… Amazing.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Enter fail
He didn’t do that bad this year either. 3 for 5 with Wootten, Wright, and Webb all showing potential at various points. Can’t fault him for taking a developmental QB as a camp arm, either, although I think we could have found any number of LeFevours as FAs post-draft. Come to think of it, maybe he should only take players whose last name begins with “W.”
by Steve Ronkowski on Dec 22, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly he hasn't been too bad in the last few drafts
Notable selections: WR Earl Bennett, LG Chris Williams (jury is still out), RB Matt Forte, DT Henry Melton, WR Johnny Knox, FS Major Wright, DE Corey Wooten, RT Jamarcus Webb. Its definately an improvement over his first few drafts.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Whoops forgot one
Nickelback D.J. Moore
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I think our new coaches...
know who to draft. Our other position coaches and coordinators were terrible. Martz, Rod, and Tice know how to draft and develop. I think we finally have the right coaching to succeed. Coaches have a lot of input on who is drafted.
Knox and Moore have showed they belong on the field
and would be on the field on any number of teams.
As for the other guys… I wouldn’t be so proud that they’re getting a lot of playing time, it’s sort of by default because of lack of quality competition for playing time on our roster at those positions. It would be hard to convince NFL fans who watch football outside the microscope of the Chicago Bears, that Melton, Louis, Webb, Wooten, etc would be winning the competition for playing time on other teams.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I think you are wrong on some of that.
The Bears aren’t like a garbage bag of untalented players. I am willing to bet on at least half of the NFL teams Melton and Wooten would compete for time. Louis, now that’s a stretch. Your statements always seem somewhat all emcompassing and always slightly imply that the Bears roster is an ensemble of crap and that every other NFL teams is loaded with 5 star talent at all 53 roster spots. If yoiu don’t think Melton has made a decent, if not NFL worthy contribution this year, you are watching with blinders on.
I know you're curious Joseph, you're at that age, and you often forget to delete your internet history.
You know... not to sound "all emcompassing"
But, Bears fans on this site were singing the praises of Al Afalava last year. He’s the equivalent of NFL junk, and was without a job for most of the year. There’s a lot of homerism on this site that needs to take a bigger look outside of the Chicago Bears.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Kinda Sad With AA
Granted, he wasn’t great but they threw him into the grinder as a rookie and then just left him out to rot. I wish they spent more time with him but they instead keep Craig Steltz for God knows what reason (special teams, I suppose).
LOL
Bears fans on this site were singing the praises of Al Afalava last year.
You would know, now wouldn’t you?
Haha.
Sadly… he looked better than Major Wright has for us so far. Not impressed one bit.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
He did miss most of preseason
and parts of the regular season, just give him a season to get settled and I think he’ll be fine
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
Homerism??
Fact is that the ‘09 draft was suppose to be a waste of time considering that it was picks from 3rd round on. These aren’t 1st and 2nd round guys we’re talking about here. The fact that Angelo was able to salvage players from that draft that are contributing to the ‘10 squad that’s going to the playoffs is commendable I think.
Angelo found a soon to be 1,000 yard receiver in the 5th, and a 4th rounder who’s contributing on the D-line. DJ Moore isn’t great either but has been a contributor to this team, this year. I think it’s worth pointing out instead of assuming all our guys are inferior all the time.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
my bad
N and M are very close on the keyboard, and since they won’t let us edit our posts here, I had no choice but to make a type…it happens.
I know you're curious Joseph, you're at that age, and you often forget to delete your internet history.
i don't even put moore there
although nothing like a good nathan vasher “interceptor” year.
Don't forget about...
Julio Jauquin Iglesias.
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
Exactly...
Another wonderful draft pick who’s no longer in the NFL.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Umm
He is in the NFL….On the Bears Practice Squad……
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
My bad.
He’s a waste a space anyway…. a 3rd round pick on the practice squad. Horrendous. The other 3rd round pick was cut. Double horrendous.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Well one can say
he was drafted for a different type of offense (A WCO possession WR that martz does not employ)…..If you want to say that….But I must admit I miss the Buzzsaw…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
From the Seifert article
Smith did what was asked of him this season — get back to the playoffs or else — and is in line to be compensated accordingly.
What about the three prior years he didn’t do what was asked?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m pleased as a peach at where the Bears are right now. And I’m excited about next years potential as well.
But I don’t thing you give Lovie a big extension. Maybe a one or two year extension, with an option to go longer after next year.
see how the playoff run goes
and what the labor issue is, then go form there. luckily he’s got another year signed so there’s no reason to do it now.
You are absolutely right
All of the above will need to be considered.
With a Super Bowl win, I’d happily change my tune.
Although
We re-upped his contract the last time he took us deep into the playoffs, and look at what that got us. Then again, if he wins a Super Bowl, I think he’ll have earned at least half a Ditka’s worth of contract extension.
by Steve Ronkowski on Dec 22, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
The more I research and...
think about it. Lovie is partly to blame because of the buddy system he used to employ. However, I think Lovie has realized his faults and has made the right coaching decisions and if he wins a super bowl this year or improves the team and takes us to the playoffs again next year; he deserves to get a extension.
+1...
we all know how I feel about it. And to be fair, Lovie has done more than I had expected. We’ll see what he does, but, IMO, he doesn’t deserve an extension unless:
1. Bears win the SB this season
or
2. Bears make the playoffs again next season.
Otherwise, you are correct, they’d be rewarding abject mediocrity. Smith has been paid a king’s ransom for the past few seasons of not making the playoffs. He can merit his current salary in due time if the Bears continue to succeed. Then he can negotiate from a position of strength if he earns it or accept the consequence of not living up to it. Either way, it’s up to his capabilities as a coach now, rather then the expectation of what he might have done.
I'd prefer not to have Lovie return...Unless we win the SB baby!!!!
"There's a fine line between stupid, and clever!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley." Leslie Nielson 1926-2010
by LostInSTL on Dec 22, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
All that Lovie Smith has earned this year is the honor of not being fired for next year. The only way that he should be able to earn a contract extension this year is by winning the Super Bowl. And the only way that he should be able to earn a contract extension next year is by making the playoffs AND winning at least one Playoff game between this year and next year.
I’m sick and tired of this “once a decade” thing the Bears have going. And it’s like clockwork since Halas left us. Every 5 years (give or take), we become decent. And then we suck for the rest of the time. That’s not a good football team. That’s a lucky one.
LOL man you are the Devin Hester of Lovie haters
I actually sat in the stands and saw Halas pace the sidelines. Greatest Football Coach ever. We won’t see his like again. Ditka had 7 winning seasons three losing seasons and a 8-8 season. Wanny & Dick combined for 3 winning seasons and 8 losing seasons. Lovie has 4 winning seasons and 3 losing seasons.
I don’t see giving Lovie a contract extension but not for your reasons. I think Lovie is asking for any special treatment and I think he will earn a contract extension. I’m not looking foward to the Bears cleaning house and having to suffer through the “rebuilding years”.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
From the Biggs article
Not much in the way of a Bernard Berrian sighting, was there? Look for the ex-Bear to potentially become an ex-Viking in the offseason. He has fallen way out of favor there.
I’d take Berrian back on the cheap.
Other than the 99 yard TD against us
What has he done since he left the Bears???
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Dec 22, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Taken the Vikings 40 mil
to the bank laughing to whole way, I always thought it was funny, he left because of the lack of stability at QB. In two years he’s got Gus Ferrotte, T-Jack and Brett Favre throwing to him, while we have Cutler…boom
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
The Bears did the right thing in letting BB go
they should do the right thing again and ignore him if he is on the market
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 22, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
It was either him or Briggs
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
serious no brainer
legit pro bowler in Briggs vs. a poor man’s Willie Gault
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 22, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
agree with the outsiders
i couldn’t believe the broadcasters didn’t comment on how low that ball ended getting caught at.
that was a pass straight out of the washington game.
I disagree
when the CB slipped and the safety drifted out of position the only person with a play on the ball was Kevin Knox. A great read by Cutler and to call that pass a should have been INT is just ridiculous
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
i don't beleive in should'a been picks
but that ball was not thrown well, wind or not.
still a great read by Jay and he managed to put the ball where only knox had a play on it
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Radio notes
Zaidman on the Score
- Lovie told team this is one step in a process
- No told you so from Lovie to the media
- Offense feels like they have not had one complete game yet
- 1st and 30 throw to Johnny “Kevin” Knox was the old vintage martz offense that they ran in the offseason
- Amazed that the Bears are winning with a new offensive scheme / philosophy that they installed at the bye
- boers thinks they find D weaknesses better than in the past
- Zaidman agreed and said that turner would come up with the game plans but once the opposing defense figured out the game plan they would adjust and stop turners offense. Then turner would have no counter punch to that. With martz and Tice you see the counter punch in the offense
- Bears were not pleased with the sudden favre change. It is NFL “courtesy” to not list a player out then have him play even though you can do that
- Joked about the MNF announcers with “This guy”, Kevin Knox, and gerhart being a good cold weather back even though gerhart was from cali and could have played in maybe 1 or 2 cold weather games
- Thinks Cutlers mechanics / footwork is caused by bad o line play at times. Not by being “lazy” since Cutler is always working hard
- Didnt think that the vikings laid down for the Bears. Players might have been trying to hit incentives and what not and that is why the Bear O sputtered in the redzone
- Field was awful. Freezing rain sheeted the field in ice half way threw the 3rd qtr. Was pretty much an ice rink
- Bears can clinch a 1st round bye with Win and loss by eagles and loss or tie by nyg
- Forecast for Sunday is 20 degrees snow and winds in the 15-20 MPH range
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hub on the Score
- Doesnt take any joy in favre embarrassing himself / getting hurt
- This is the high point of the last 3 seasons
- If he had it to do all over again would still pick the Bears as a 7 – 9 team
- Not trying to be mean or a jerk it is great that they won 10 games and won the division
- Need 1st round bye because any team in the playoffs can beat the Bears
- Hester in the HOF depends. Mitchell not a HOFer so why should Devin get in
- HOWEVER he can see Hester adding 6 to 8 more returns to record and if that is the case should get in but in the same year they might want to add a PK or punter
- Bears are not in Super Bowl in 06 or a playoff team this year without Devin Hester
- HOF depends on how he adds to the record. Might be hard cause of rough stretch in couple of season with no returns but that was not Devin Hesters fault that was the coaching staffs fault by trying to turn him into WR
- Hester perception of not becoming a #1 WR or DB is that he doesnt work hard is FALSE. Works harder than anyone he knows
- Perception that Hester is dumb is also FALSE. He is bright guy not a rocket scientist but his not stupid and he works his butt off from what he understands
- Most KR / PR are good or great only for a few seasons before they fade off
- All teams fudge the injury
- Thinks the NFL might do something about this rule now though for all the attention it got. Might make the designation Out harder to get out of
- Bears remarkably lucky with no major injuries so while they dont really need a bye week (except for Briggs who is still fighting ankle injury) they need bye week for the percentage of teams that go on to play in conference title game so they need bye week. It helps
- If they get the 3rd seed they are looking at nyg, no, or gb in wild card game. Who would you want to face then. They need a bye to have a chance
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 10:11 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I was listening all day
and playing Madden online with our Bears…what a way to celebrate a Bears victory.
I know you're curious Joseph, you're at that age, and you often forget to delete your internet history.
Yeah, Im Tired of These Experts Dogging Cutler's Mechanics
he’s on the run all the time, of course he has to throw off his back foot often.
What I like is that it has gone from Cutler cant win
to OMG HIZ MECHANICZ IZ HORRIBLEZ or Cutler is just a game manager and wins with his defense and special teams……
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'm kinda glad
The NFCN Champs still get no respect, OK, very little respect.
Cutler is consistently bashed, the OL is frequently described as “hobbled together”. Almost no mention of Urlacher as Comeback player of the year, Peppers and the D seem to be the only ones getting consistent praise.
It’s like flying just under the radar.
This team can be scary good, as they’ve shown. If they keep their mental focus, and eye on the prize, we may yet see a visit to Dallas in February.
If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Dec 22, 2010 10:16 AM CST reply actions
I dont believe it
I refuse to believe it…..Its just to bizarre……
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Bizarre-o story.
Whatever floats your boat. Can’t believe they were that careless, though.
Can’t blame Rex. He probably hasn’t seen his own feet in years.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Did Anyone Notice That It Was Only Cutler Who Believed That Favre
would play on Monday night? And he was proven right? LOL.
That's because he too speaks the unspoken "Gunslinger" language!
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Dec 22, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
gotta scratch my head on that one
if its unspoken its gotta be like some sort of sign language
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Telepathy...
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Dec 22, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Cutler
Cutler has Rex Grossman footwork. He always throws off his back foot and it’s going to doom the Bears. Cutler’s best throws on Monday were the TD throw to Hester, the called back DA TD and that missle he threw to, I believe, DA on the sideline. The Knox TD throw would have been at the very least deflected if that S wasn’t an idiot.
Actually the throw to Knox was spot on
And it wasnt the safety’s fault because the corner that was supposed to help out got burned BADLY and that safety was left with 2 wide open recievers as Bennett got a free release.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
the spot
was apparently 3 inches of the ground
Negative
If you watch the replay from Cutler’s perspective, you can clearly see the S had no idea where the ball was and took an incredibly bad angle to Knox. When he jumped and tried to deflect the pass, the ball was behind him. To me, it looked like he didn’t know where the ball was. Now, in Cutler’s defense, it looked like his step into the throw was impeded which probably resulted in the ball being underthrown a tad.
by John McMuffin on Dec 22, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
But look where Earl Bennett was
He was also wide open
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
but he threw it Knox. If that throw was intended for Bennett, then for sure it was a terrible throw. haha
by John McMuffin on Dec 22, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Cutler saw Knox first because Knox was the first read he made.
And whenever a corner gets beat that badly there is no way an ordinary safety could safe that busted coverage. Anyways the safety had to chose which one to cover, and it looked like he hesitated when he saw Bennett get alot of grass around him.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Reading is fundamental
I said Cutler has Grossman footwork. It’s the truth. The man throws off his back foot 80% of the time, ala Grossman. Yes, Cutler is 100 times better than Grossman. But they have similar footwork.
by John McMuffin on Dec 22, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I did a little QB, and honestly footwork is not the most important attribute
As long as he is winning games and getting the ball to his open recievers then don’t try to fix anything.
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 22, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
The thing is
I have not heard these “complaints” of Cutler “footwork” or “mechanics” until this year and AFTER the Bears clinched the NFCN….Is his “footwork” or “mechanics” bad at times ya but which QBs is not….Plus try to have perfect footwork or mechanics with this O line….What about the fact that even with the “horrendous footwork” or “bad mechanics” his INTs are WAY down….. Its almost like certain people are trying to find something to complain about on Cutler…..But eh what ever…..Remember when Cutler couldnt read defenses and was a loser…..Good time good times…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
MSM maybe
I remember him constantly throwing off his back foot last year too. I agree, he does it because he doesn’t trust his line to give him enough time to let the receivers run the routes. But that’s what worries me is that it’s all mental now and I’ve noticed him do it when he has time in the pocket. I think what Steve Young said was pretty accurate. Jay has all the tools to be an elite QB and if he can work on those little nagging issues, it’ll be pretty cool to watch what he can become.
by John McMuffin on Dec 22, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
+100,000!
Martz will help him fix his mechanics. However, it will not work unless he has a O-line that he can trust.
IMO I think some of it is
because of the O line play….Now that said I will say this…..They have to fix it or he will be so used to throwing that way they might not be able to fix it…..Guess we will see….
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
by CloudyFuture on Dec 22, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Of Course Its The O-line
Look at the top QBs in the League- Manning, Brady and Rivers all have top tier O-lines. That’s the main reason for their success.
How quickly some forget the pass to RDavis for the TD
Okay write this down, Cutler does not = Grossman.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 22, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Right
Cutler does not equal Grossman. But his footwork does.
by John McMuffin on Dec 22, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
So let me get this straight...
We’re now criticizing TDs? Really? You know if Daniel Manning knew what the hell he was doing in the Superbowl, then Peyton Manning never throws the TD to Reggie Wayne that turned the tide in that game.
My goodness. Instead of blaming the Safety, how about giving credit to a throw that only a hand ful of QBs can attempt let only throw. Cutler threw a pass that beat a Cover 2, against the wind, in a snowstorm.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Really?
You think only a handful of QBs can make that throw? I bet you every QB in the league can make that throw. If you want to slob it down, go ahead. Color me unimpressed. It’s amazing how everybody gets pissed off when you question anything or try to point out something that should have happened, which in this case, was that pass being deflected, tipped, or intercepted by any other defender who doesn’t have 2 left feet.
by John McMuffin on Dec 22, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
cutler is light years better than rex
you question anything or try to point out something that should have happened
but this statement was true here when grossman was starting here as well.
favre to Peppers: "Beat the Packers"
"I talked to him after the game," Peppers tells Michael Wilbon of ESPNChicago.com (via Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune). "I told him it was an honor to play against him. He said, ‘Likewise. . . . Go beat the Packers in a couple of weeks.’"
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the bronco fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Jay Cutler on josh mcdaniels firing
There is nothing I love more
than watching the Green Bay fans here at school get their hearts stepped on repeatedly by Favre
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
I hate to admit it...
But I’m liking Favre more and more…
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Dec 22, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
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