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The Gunslinger

 
 

The term has been thrown around the football ranks for quite a few years now; more specifically in the NFL defining a quarterback as having a "risk taker," mentality. He’s the kind of guy that will rare back and chuck a deep ball at any time with any cost.

 

Many a fan likes to compare the side-shooter with the "game manager." You know, the guy that dinks and dunks his team down the field with nary a risk taking pass attempt. Furthering said comparison is perhaps the contrast in intelligence on (and maybe off) the field. A few weeks back WCG posed the question Which QB Would You Choose? [Props needed to the author—sorry, I cannot recall who.]

 

I chose the gunslinger mostly on the basis of ability. I’m like most in that, I dig seeing a well thrown deep ball or the laser pass over the middle. Some current NFL QB’s that fall under this moniker for me are: (obviously) Jay Cutler, Brett Favre, ex Bear Rex Grossmann and Tony Romo. I’m sure more are out there, but these four will be used for the basis of this writing.

 

My focus here is on the footwork of the gunslinger.

 

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I’ll start with Jay Cutler since he’s the main QB of the 4 that I’ve watched almost every game. It was evident to my eyes that Jay throws primarily off his back foot. A term I’ll use is, "heel throws." Hence, the player’s weight is on the heel of the back leg.

 

It has been pointed out numerous times during telecasts Jay doesn’t follow through to his front foot. He doesn’t step into his throws. Granted, in Jay’s as well as the other 3 QB’s case, a strong arm allows for this poor technique to happen.

 

 

 

 

 

It could be argued that the heel throws are a byproduct of a player either at his legs or in his face. In either case, this would restrict his front leg going forward. You can see in the video that in many cases this is true. However, there are a few videos where the throw is rushed. In fact, there are times when Jay is flat footed while making his throws.

 

It could be argued (and frankly is) that Brett Favre is the greatest QB to play the game. That subject is open for debate elsewhere. For now, let’s focus also on his footwork. You’ll see a few instances similar to Jay’s. But, there are some nice replays where Brett’s form is text book.

 

 

 

Sorry, fellow Bears’ fans. I know there’s some not so pretty evidence if his mastery over Chicago. But hey, that’s history, right?

 

Perhaps not one of our favorite subjects, but Rex Grossman clearly defines the gunslinger style of quarterback. As mind numbing as some of his multiple INT games were, Rex did possess the strong arm and attack at all costs mentality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I read somewhere recently Tony Romo falls into the gunslinger terminology as well. To be honest, I haven’t seen him play as much as the others. You’ll see from the videos he does possess similar characteristics.

 

 

 

 

 

Is good footwork necessarily the key to success? I’m on the fence with that question, so I pose that to you, fellow Bears’ fans. As a separate item, the gunslinger mentality can hurt a team by forcing throws. We’ve all seen our Bears’ QB’s confounding us by questionable throws. I’d say the mindset coupled with a strong arm can be a recipe for disaster. Still, I’m ok with Cutler at the helm. My hope is to limit his decision making to take a reasonable risk. I really don’t think reasonable is in the gunslinger’s dictionary.

 

All videos courtesy of YouTube.  

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since I’m new to the site and I don’t know all the rules. If there are any issues with posting videos and/or stating reference to them (which I italicized at the end), let me know. I can remove them and create a link.

Thanks in advance.

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by lastof12 on Dec 28, 2010 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

Nope, its all good.

Honestly, hardly anyone even references them like you did. Welcome rook and nice post. :)

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- Kev H

by chicago030 on Dec 29, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks (on both accounts)

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by lastof12 on Dec 29, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

His mechanics are a work in progress

but sometimes he has to make a throw before he sets his feet, and with his arm strength he can get enough on the throw…

and that Gunslinger vs. Game Manager was a heck of a post ;)

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 28, 2010 11:10 AM CST reply actions  

With the Bears' OL

it is rare he can set his feet and make a proper throw, a factor many seem to ignore.

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Dec 28, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

You're exactly right.

For the record, I did state this in my article.

I agree with Lester, Jay has some work to do & I think he will be drilled on flat-footed and back foot (heel) throws. It appears to me his habit is not to step his front foot into his throw. This could be a byproduct of being on unsuccessful teams in the past.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Dec 28, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

When he has time and space to make a proper throw his mechanics are just fine.

Unfortunately, he does not get to do that much in games. Thankfully he is quite adept at making unorthodox throws otherwise this edition of the Bears would not be where they are now, in the playoffs with a 1st round bye.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Dec 29, 2010 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

How did I omit the great L.A.W?

Sorry man, it was an excellent piece.

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by lastof12 on Dec 28, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Man

watching those Rex highlights brings it all back.

When Rex was bad, he was mind-numbingly bad, but when he was on, it was amazing to watch.

by Virto on Dec 28, 2010 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

He was amazing.

And like him, Jay needs to minimize his forced throws. I’ll use an example: last night there were 2 throws Drew Breeze threw.

The first was a long throw in deep middle where his receiver was double covered. The ball was tipped away harmlessly. But Gruden said he was taking a chance. I cannot recall the exact time of the play, but there was plenty of football left. IN my mind the worst that hapens in this case is an INT; the same as a punt.

The second was the INT he threw trying to underhand to his RB. That play was in Saints territory and was vey risky. Lucky for Drew Atlanta didn’t capitalize.

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by lastof12 on Dec 28, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah to me

Rex came into the league with every intention of doing what Cutler does now but he didn’t have the height and durability to do it.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Dec 28, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

I just remember him backpedaling and breaking his foot.

by Virto on Dec 28, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

there needs to be a warning on threads with Sexy Rexy videos in them...

I lose massive amounts of time watching and rewatching, forlorn over my lost love.

"Smells like burning hair and week-old Arby’s." - the stench of Steve Finley

by BBANGUS on Dec 28, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Good stuff

I think Cutler’s detractors need to accept the fact that Cutler is very much in the Farve mold. Can he improve on some things from a decision standpoint? Sure. But footwork wise, he is who he is and I’m OK with that.

The guy has cut his INTs in half this year and is currently having his lowest total as a pro. So for people to make this an issue now sounds weird to me. He’s right where he should be a this point in his career and his numbers to this point are right on par with Farve and Elway at the same point in their careers so I don’t get all the fuss about mechanics.

People have real short memories about what the great QBs went through to be great. Go check Elways numbers the first 10 years in. You’ll be shocked at his TD/INT numbers. Brees as well. I love what Cutler brings to the table as a QB and I don’t think he needs to fix a thing.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Dec 28, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for your response.

I think we’d agree one fix is to limit INT’s. Perhaps with the right coaching, he can identify his risks. I’d attribute Favre having Andy Reid in his ear, thus bettering his INT/TD ratio.

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by lastof12 on Dec 28, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

A sure-fire way to fix his INT-tossing ways is to give him time in the pocket.

Mad Mike and Tice have seemingly done that since the bye, with the o-line playing better and I’ve noticed Jay has settled down a bit in the pocket. He doesn’t look like he’s scared to death out there anymore. With all the hits he took in the first half of the season, I don’t blame him for getting happy feet back there, but it’s nice to see him settling down and having somewhere to escape to when things go to hell, protection-wise.

by Swarley on Dec 28, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes & no (somewhat)

for the sake of discussion, Jay does pretty well throwing on the move. When its designed that way. His success, as with all QB’s, begins with protection.

Not trying to nit-pick, I agree with your premise. I think Jay moves well outside of the pocket as well.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Dec 28, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I completely agree. Jay does throw pretty well outside the pocket.

When plays aren’t designed to go outside the pocket, I think he has a tendancy to hold the ball too long hoping for a big play rather than just throwing it away, something that frustrates me and makes me like him that much more.

by Swarley on Dec 28, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Cutler has a lot of confidence in his ability to make a play

sop even when the play breaks down, he is looking to make a play. He has done a better job, especially in the red zone, of not trying to make something out of nothing, hence fewer INTs, but he will always be a high/high reward kind of QB and not a game manager like Orton thankfully.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Dec 29, 2010 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

He is without a doubt having the best season of his career, IMO

He is producing multible TDs per game with MAYBE ONE hiccup to go along with that. He is on pace to set a career best passer rating, compleation percentage, and TDs to Int ratio (23 TDs to only 14(?) Ints)

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 29, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Has he apologized to Virginia yet?
Cutler is very much in the Farve mold.

I knew they shouldn’t let him have a cameraphone, with as much as he drinks.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Dec 30, 2010 3:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Footwork is very important

I just don’t think it is something exclusive to “game managers” either. If you have the time to stop and set your feet for a better throw, you just have to. It produces more consistent results.

To me, the Game manager is such because he cannot, or chooses not, to try to make the deeper throws and the riskier throws, regardless of his mechanics. That’s why some game managers are 70% passers and some are 55% passers. Some still have more skill and better mechanics than others.

The big thing with Jay Cutler is he does still have poor footwork. He often overcomes it with pure athletic ability. It is often FORCED on him by poor O-Line play. It is sometimes forced on him by having to scramble/roll-out/etc. It is sometimes self-inflicted because he holds the ball too long and has to rush a decision…All of those are “understood”.

What Jay, the gunslinger, needs to do is this: Stop having poor footwork when you are NOT under duress and have time to set your feet. Don’t choose to have bad mechanics. Be fundamentally sound, and improvise when you need to. Some of it is probably nerves about our line and some of it might be a self-inflicted mental rush…all of it can get better with better protection and more experience.

I for one prefer a gunslinger, they are more exciting and ALWAYS still “in a game” no matter what…That’s what the deep ball does for you. I also love Jay Cutler as our QB. I hope he continues to improve, and that includes his mechanics…but he can still go deep all day.

by Brendan Hess on Dec 28, 2010 1:21 PM CST reply actions  

I totally agree here.

I am perfectly fine with the poor footwork when the line is collapsing, or he has no time to set his feet, etc. He does have the arm strength and accuracy to make these throws. The occasional INT that comes from them will decrease with time as he learns exactly what he can and can’t do.

My problem comes with when he HAS THE TIME to set his feet and he doesn’t. It kills me because I know that when he does have the right mechanics, his throws can be perfect. PERFECT. See the Devin highlight from above when he sets up and steps into his throw.

As long as that progresses, we will be more than fine. My worry is that the line play has been so bad (except for the last 4 games or so), that I’m thinking his muscle memory is set for bad mechanics. And habits are hard to break.

by ChiLobo#23 on Dec 28, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought that too

It’s not like they were very fast, really.

Although some of those highlights you can see Rex forcing it into double-coverage. That’s usually when things would start to go wrong.

by Virto on Dec 28, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

He had some decent WR on that team

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Dec 29, 2010 3:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

It’s good to be here with fellow Bears’ fans. I can only hope that I can post quality stuff…There are some good football minds here.

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by lastof12 on Dec 29, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Jimmy Mac...

I see flashes of him in Cutler sometimes…Jimmy had it all in 85.

"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon

by bearsfn9 on Dec 29, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

I see what you've done here

nice name & moinker! Mac was fun to watch &, like Jay, he had momnets of frustration. You could never question Jim’s gritty-ness (not a real word, but you know, “ness” on the end of a word sounds intelligent ;) )

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by lastof12 on Dec 29, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

love your moniker too...

hope Jay can live up to the hype, I have total faith yet that Pats game still stings….if the offense can play like they did last week and the defense plays up to their potential I KNOW we can win the SB for sure!! Welcome aboard and nice post.

"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon

by bearsfn9 on Dec 29, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

rec because

this is truth for those of us who like to put money on the home team more often than they should. thank you jay from one happy fan.

by reefermadness3 on Dec 31, 2010 1:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Reiterating on Dils comment from earlier

7/14 18/15 22/23 19/13 19/12 17/19 18/18 15/14 13/12 10/17 25/10*

Those are John Elway’s first ELEVEN years, TD/INT ratio wise in the NFL. Even in his first three Super Bowl years in 86,87 and 89, he didn’t have what you would call stunning numbers. He got better with age and time as seen by his Season 11 numbers. Cutty and his mechanics will get there as long he has a familiar system to learn under and humbles himself enough to soak in the knowledge.

Mr. Dyess

by Fridgeman81 on Dec 29, 2010 3:55 PM CST reply actions  

He has to throw off his back foot, at least somewhat.

It would melt the WR’s hands if he stepped into his throws.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Dec 30, 2010 3:55 AM CST reply actions  

STEVE YOUNG

said it best, if Jay Cutler learns his footwork Jay Cutler will be talked about as the best Qb of all time…

I respect your OPINION but i also value the FACTS, To save time, lets just ASSume IM NEVER WRONG

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 31, 2010 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

Best of all time?

I know SYoung had a few concussions, but I did not know there was such permanent damage.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Dec 31, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

he didnt say

he would be, he said he would be talked about
Steve Young was merely saying with his natural ability he is a top qb but his footwork gets him in trouble. this was said on live tv so i dont have a link but he was pointing out that Jay cutler has all the things that marino, montana, manning, has but not the footwork he backfoots or flatfoots alot

I respect your OPINION but i also value the FACTS, To save time, lets just ASSume IM NEVER WRONG

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 31, 2010 3:44 PM CST reply actions  

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