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Thoughts From NFL Week 13: Chicago Bears and Beyond

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The playoff races are heating up in the NFL.  Some teams kept pace, some teams extended their leads, and some had a bit of a setback.  The buzzword early in the season was parity, and there was some debate whether that was a good thing or a bad thing.  I think as the season grinds on, it's looking like a good thing.

There is only one division leader (the Chiefs in the AFC West) with more than a one game lead over the 2nd place team in their division.  With each game being so critical in regards to playoff seeding, the games had a serious and sometimes chippy feel to them.  Take the jump to get my thoughts...

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1)  Maybe the Super Bowl hangover that saps so many SB losers is taking hold of the Peyton Manning and the Colts.

2)  With their 5th consecutive loss, is Jeff Fisher's seat getting a little warm in Tennessee?

3)  After getting stomped a few weeks ago in Denver, the Chiefs came back to win a tough grind-it-out type game against the Broncos in Kansas City.  The Chiefs have won 3 straight, behind some good defense, the best rushing offense in the league, and starting QB Matt Cassel with 23 TDs to only 4 Ints.  That is a recipe for success come playoff time.

4)  The Raiders pick up a big time win in San Diego against a rolling Charger team needing to keep pace in the AFC West.  They got their first season sweep since 2001 and snapped the Chargers' December victory streak at 18.  I think some bookies made out on that one.

5)  Can someone please research the Matty Ice nickname?  Worst nickname in sports.  But the Falcons are playing some real good football.

6)  Don't look now, but the NFC West has a tie atop the division.  And neither team has a losing record!

7)  Ben Roethlisberger showed some toughness by limping around with a broken nose and throwing the go ahead TD with less that 3 minutes left.  Even with the loss, I'll still stand by my AFC Super Bowl pick in the Ravens.

8)  Did anyone really think the Saints' Chris Ivory would be the top rookie rusher at this point in the season?

9)  I knew the Bears would have a hard time in Detroit.  The Lions have had real good drafts the last couple years, and they're much better than their 2-10 record.

10)  I know I'm in the minority, but I think Tarvaris Jackson is a good NFL QB.

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Editor's Note: Former Cowboys QB "Dandy" Don Meredith passed away today.  Don was the original Dallas Cowboy.  Rest in peace, Mr. Meredith.

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Good thoughts...

I share quite a few of them..
1. I must say that I do like seeing Peyton finally struggling. It has always seemed just so easy for him and now its not. Funny stuff.
2. Tennessee has got major problems and why isn’t Chris Johnson just getting the ball on about possession. Run, screen, run, screen, run, screen, bomb to Moss. OC in the NFL, here I come.
3. McD is McDone and I’m scared of the Chiefs.
4. As usual, once everyone starts talkin about how great SD is, they fall on their face.
5. Thumbs down on the nickname as well but the Falcons are the real deal.
6. I can’t help but like the Ram’s. There, I said it.
7. hat an anti-climactic end to that game. Big womp-womp sound in the background.
8. The combo of Ivory, Thomas and Bush is nice. It also helps that you have a QB that can draw offsides on command.
9. Could the Lions be the best 2-10 team I have ever seen? I had thought that about the Bills but not anymore. The Lions are officially the best of the worst. (Seriously though, I worry about what they may be like in 3-4 yrs.)
10. You are still in the minority.

by I Have Bearsititis on Dec 6, 2010 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

It's not funny to me
I must say that I do like seeing Peyton finally struggling.

Peyton’s my starting fantasy QB and his picks are bringing my season to an early end. I guess the Manning magic has run its course?

by NorthSideBearsFan on Dec 6, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not funny to me either

What is shows me is that the margin for error in the NFL is minute. It also reiterates the importance of football being a TEAM sport. Yes, having particularly gifted athletes at skill positions helps, but you win and lose as a team. All those 4th quarter comebacks that (fill in the blank with any HOF QB with a lot of 4th quarter comebacks) gets credited with are only possible if the line does it’s job and blocks, if the WR’s do their job and run the route right and catch the ball when it’s thrown to them, if the RB does his job and picks up the blitz… and on and on. We’ve seen first hand how ugly it can get when guys are struggling. It’s not just Peyton, it’s the TEAM.

As a Bears fan, it scares the crap out of me. Peyton’s an elite once in a lifetime QB, sure as I’m sitting here first ballet HOF and that team looks one of many crappy Bears teams of recent history. It’s hard to believe.

by Skags on Dec 6, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

football is the ultimate team sport

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 6, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

What happened . . . . .

What happened is that Payton is the focal point of that offence. Every other pice was added to help him. Since he is so good he made it work for years. But “Nothing Gold Can Stay”. they should seriously consider a running game, not a good idea to put all your hopes on one player. if payton is average the colts are average!

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by RoyRockNRoll on Dec 6, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree; Walter was never on the Colts!

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by Spongie on Dec 7, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Furthermore on 10.

It was 3 INTs with what should be 4, if it wasn’t for Sidney Rice making an amazing catch.

The Minnesota Vikings: Where we're so desperate to win a Super Bowl, we'll even sign washed-up Packers.

by Robert Rence on Dec 6, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

ah....

an extra what if int… I thought only Jay Cutler threw those

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 6, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't look at that pass and tell me it was a well-thrown ball.

The Minnesota Vikings: Where we're so desperate to win a Super Bowl, we'll even sign washed-up Packers.

by Robert Rence on Dec 6, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I could.

I’d probably be lying, but I could.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Dec 6, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

it wasn't

But with more playing time I think he’s a good QB… the year before Favre he was playing good football before that playoff loss.

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 6, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

He's had five years.

And in none of those years has he stayed healthy, or showed an ability to correct his mistakes. Cut. Him.

The Minnesota Vikings: Where we're so desperate to win a Super Bowl, we'll even sign washed-up Packers.

by Robert Rence on Dec 6, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

NFC South

Much better division this year.

Falcons, Saints, and Bucs are all relatively young… It should be a fun division to watch for years to come.

by rdent4hof on Dec 6, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

I'm not sold on the Bucs yet

I know they have quite a few wins, but none are against teams with a winning record. I think they are still a fair amount away from the top two in their division.

by ddub101 on Dec 6, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

They're not on the same level now, agreed

But judging by yesterday, they’ll will be competitive. And test you. Well not you…

by rdent4hof on Dec 6, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

They aren’t a team you can make mistakes against and expect to win. I just feel they haven’t quite put it all together yet. Like the Lions, give them a year or two and they should be pretty good.

by ddub101 on Dec 6, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Parity is overrated.

Insightful as always Lester. Did I ever mention Lester was my Dad’s name?? Good Solid old fashioned name Lester. Les is more.

I digress, Manning’s troubles are not so much his own as the organizations. Too many injuries, too little time to build unit cohesion. (See Bears OL)

Stanton, I thought played a GREAT game. 3rd String? There could be some QB controversy in Detroit if he sticks around. If not, he could start in many cities around the league.

McDaniels is in WAY over his head. If the owner wasn’t already paying 2 Head Coaches, he would in fact be McGone. He destroyed that franchise in such a short time. Insert fork.

Let’s all root for the Pats 2night. Don’t need or want a wounded Brady or Belicheck coming to the spaceship with a chip on their shoulder. Just sayin’.

BTW, game balls to all those fans who invaded Detroit and made it feel like an away game for the Lions. It did make a difference.

If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.

by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Dec 6, 2010 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

Y'know what?

As much as I’d like the pats to win… I’d love to crush their skulls going two losses in a row…

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 6, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

it was my dad's name too

I hope the Pats win, the Bears do not want to play a pissed off Pat team

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 6, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+2

One for the name, one for great minds thinking alike.

If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.

by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Dec 6, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

It was my grandfather's name too! RIP

Superman wears an Urlacher Jersey under his costume

by BearNecessities on Dec 6, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Captain Obvious! Kind figured with the whole Jr. thingy at the end of your name....
it was my dad’s name too

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Dec 6, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I was wondering if anyone would catch that!

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 6, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

It's Matty Ice..

beceause he is cool under pressure….i.e. ice in his veins.

"All I want is food and creative love" - Rusted Root

by TheRiot Police on Dec 6, 2010 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

FOR BOSTON. FOR BOSTON.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 6, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Matty Ice

That’s what we’ll be calling him after he comes to the spaceship in January and loses.

If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.

by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Dec 6, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

The rate that's going...

We’d be going there if anything.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 6, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember the last guy we called Ice? Word to yo mutha.

When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow

by Ditkavsworld on Dec 6, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Ice-T wants a word with you

You may want to qualify your statement more. But that’s racist.

by Arbusto on Dec 6, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not racist cause I'm white.

Furthermore I said the last guy we called Ice. T and Cube were around before him.

When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow

by Ditkavsworld on Dec 6, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

is it a self given name?

did he pick it up at BC? Either way I think it sounds like a bad tasting adult beverage.

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 6, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

No. It isn't.

See two comments below :P

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 6, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Who gave him the name then?

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 6, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's what I came up with.

So, yeah. Link

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Dec 6, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Matty Ice

From Natural Ice, the beer. aka: Natty Ice. Everyone’s favorite college brew. $7-8 a case from what I remember. Goes down terribly and gets you drunk.

by obanddoug on Dec 6, 2010 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

I never got the allure of Natty Ice.

Only because a bottle of Kentucky Gentlemen was only five dollars more, and much quicker.

The entire time he was at BC, he was always Matty Ice.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 6, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Puke

Not here in Wisconsin, its either Keystone Light or Milwaukee’s Best…neither are very good

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by ThorCo on Dec 6, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Indiana seems to be a

Keystone state. When I played a rugby game in Ohio, Natty Ice was their choice… it was interesting how similarly disgusting and cheap they both were. Ha!

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by Ashley Czuba on Dec 6, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm

1 – Just stunned that pmanning has thrown what 9 or 10 INTs and 4 of those were picks 6s

2 – I have to think his run is coming to end if you believe that the owner still wants vyoung when fisher does not

3 – Watched them via DVR and it was a sloppy game. kc D dropped 4 INTs (OMG orton with the dreaded almost INTs). But what STUNNED me was the starting RT (barry richardson) getting 2 penalties and then getting yanked. He refused to come out but did then yelled at the HC and pushed and shoved the O line coach even putting a finger in his face and he went back in the game!

Also mcdaniels is an IDOT. Really your running game is gashing the kc D and what do you do with 10 mins left in the 4th qtr? How about abandon it completely and chuck with orton who was 9 FOR 28! No runs the final 10 mins of the game. Brilliant! I thought martz was bad.

4 – Caught the end of that one and surprised at how the raider pushed them around……kc and oak atop the AFCW WoW

5 – I hate atl. HATE them. but they are the best team in the NFC right now (though in the end I think the saints take the south)

6 – Bah I was hoping for one of them to finsh 7 – 9 but looks like 8 – 8 will get it done. I take the rams sam bradford playing really well

7 – Hate big ben as well.

8 – No but picked him up last week for fantasy just in case.

9 – That was frustrating to watch. In the end I had to exile myself from the game thread because I was about to lose it. Thought it best just to walk away from that.

10 – Was it the 3 INTs or the 2 great catches by rice that makes you think that. Will say this think they should start jackson now what do they have to lose now.

Boo all you want but you know what….Deep down you know I am right!

- Mike Martz on how the feels about the fans

by CloudyFuture on Dec 6, 2010 1:02 PM CST reply actions  

re: T-Jack

I wrote a piece about him a while back at SN before they got Favre, and I broke down his numbers and he was coming on strong with his playing time. He had a bad playoff game and that’s what stuck in everyone’s head that season.

I think with more PT he’ll get it done.

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 6, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

He has had more than a bad playoff game

He jumps frequently when throwing the ball for very bad form (see several passes yesterday)
In the past he froze in the pocket (although that didn’t seem to be the problem yesterday, but it’s one game)

Keep in mind, he was benched two years ago for Gus “Noodlearm” Frerotte. He has better number than those in his draft class, but it was a weak QB draft.

The Minnesota Vikings: Where we're so desperate to win a Super Bowl, we'll even sign washed-up Packers.

by Robert Rence on Dec 6, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Fisher and Fox.

Exact same situation. Good coaches, management/ownership gunking things up to the point of ineptitude.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 6, 2010 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

Not really sure I get how Jeff Fisher's hung around this long.

In 16 years as head coach he’s had 6 winning seasons. I know he’s had some really good years but that’s not that great a record.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Dec 6, 2010 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

I hope the Jets..

.. to crush Brady’s shoulder, and then loose the game.. lol

by Claudio Oliveira on Dec 6, 2010 1:35 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I...

yep.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Dec 6, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Shame on you for withing that.

Wrecked.

If you don't ask, you don't get. So get on with it already.

by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Dec 6, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

With the Bears luck this year

I wouldn’t be surprised if something like this happens.

by ddub101 on Dec 6, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

karma sucks

never wish for a person to get injured

did i mention i love boobies?

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 7, 2010 6:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Amen...

How many are out there wishing for Cutler, Peppers, etc to get hurt?

by David in Maine on Dec 7, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Lots of Packers fans

Hence all their injuries

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by ThorCo on Dec 7, 2010 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

i like this post

1. im a baltimorean f da INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
2. NO jeff fisher has a track record like bill cowher when he leaves its HIS choice
3. yes… the chiefs winning the division this season or not are balling
4. mr lester you already know i picked oakland to surprise the afc west so this is what i expected
5. they are peaking late in the season what better time to hit your groove than december, i like the way the falcons play offensively but defensively im not impressed they had a SHOOTOUT with the Ravens…
6. the rams fans are pretty excited i was over there talking to them and they are really smart and realistic they remind me of most bear fans
7. WOW i watched that game of course and WOW big hits, blood, fights, low score, sounds like a ravens/steelers game win or lose both sides are to be feared some tough football in those towns
8. no i thought cj spiller if anyone
9. i agree and i even went over and tried to have a civilized conversation about this over on pride of detroit they are upset of course but they started to remind me of philly fans i didnt even use the wave
10. please please pass whatever it is you have over there… better yet lets just trade…. he will be as good as derek anderson

bonus is anyone else impressed with the bucs? they may have lost yesterday but Josh Freeman will be a good qb in this league for years

did i mention i love boobies?

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 6, 2010 1:46 PM CST reply actions  

The Bucs are looking good

I didn’t think they would play with Atl

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 6, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Dont they always? Geesh...they love that big baby Rivers...what a cry baby...

he and Cutler hated eachother I believe….

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by bearsfn9 on Dec 7, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

double correct

and every year we get to hear the “experts” tells us how great the chargers are, best team in afc, best in dec… blah blah blah… and then

and i believe yes they did hate each other though that is stranger for 2 qbs to not like each other

did i mention i love boobies?

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 8, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

My Take:

1) That Super Bowl losers curse is holding up and I really thought that Manning could dodge it. I am guessing next year they’ll blow the doors off everyone to start the season. But for the time being I’m enjoying the Colts fans misery. They seriously thought 5 losses was an awful season. Spoiled brats!
2) I don’t think FIsher will last. The rif between him and Bud Adams regarding VY is going to be his downfall. Looks to me like the everyone in the organization from the owner to the players believes in VY except Fisher.
3) Chiefs have a team built to go deep perhaps, or they could be one and done.
4) Screw the Chargers.
5) Falcons are another team built to win but their defense is a little suspect.
10. Jackson is serviceable but not great. Like an Orton or a McNabb (this yr not earlier in his career)

"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."

"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010

by Sam Householder on Dec 6, 2010 4:49 PM CST reply actions  

once the owner didn't 100% back his coach

I figured it was a matter of time

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 6, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i can agree with your take

i am also interested in how you feel about six through 9

two thing saving fisher from being fired IMO his tenure in Tennessee and his position in the nfl as co- chair of the competition committee

did i mention i love boobies?

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 7, 2010 6:27 AM CST up reply actions  

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