Chicago Bears Coordinator Watch: Day 27 (Open Thread)
Well, the Bears actually took a great few steps over the weekend. All general speculation continues to point to this guy as the likely dude, pending what Jay Culter thinks of him.
As we mentioned on Friday, Mike Martz interviewed for the Bears offensive coaching job on Friday afternoon. That was something we'd all expected, but we weren't quite sure how it would turn out. That meeting must've gone pretty well, because the weekend became a travel weekend for Mike Martz.
Martz and Cutler met Saturday afternoon in Nashville, in what I can only imagine was a mildly awkward conversation. A source tells ESPN an interesting tidbit:
Another source told the paper that the process was "complicated," fueling speculation that there may be some disagreement between Smith and general manager Jerry Angelo about Martz.
Everyone's not on the same page? Who would've thought...
John Mullin over at CSNchicago.com also writes about this very topic. He's got some interesting points, including this quote from former Bears QB Jim Miller:
"Mike is demanding but has never committed to the run," former Bears quarterback and Comcast Sports Net analyst Jim Miller told CSNChicago.com. "I think Jay will post huge numbers but I question if [Matt] Forte is his kind of back."
As you can imagine, there are those who aren't so thrilled by the fact that Martz flew to Cutler, instead of the other way around. Many don't believe that Martz should've gone, period. David Haugh seems firmly entrenched in that camp. Writing about whether a Cutler/Martz "marriage" would work, Haugh says:
Highly respected Vikings quarterbacks coach Kevin Rogers would work well too. But if the Bears go that direction now, Rogers always will look like their second choice who got the job because Cutler didn't like Martz's table manners. That's not fair to either guy.
That's why, the minute Martz boarded the plane to Tennessee with the Bears' blessing Saturday, he essentially was starting his new job.
And what of Rogers? We haven't really heard anything about their interview, but luckily Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune is kind enough to let us know that he's simply waiting on the Bears at this point.
As many in the press, around the league, and around general football fandom continue to assume this is what will happen, I'm warming more and more to the idea of Martz being here. Some caveats, though--I'd like to see him work some of those deep drops into rollout plays, or shorten the drop and give a shorter route to someone. I'd also like to see him rework some packages to include the big playmaking tight end, which I think he would come to love if he ever got around to, y'know, using it.
Today could be a big day, folks. If Cutler and Martz think they can play nice with each other, and Jay won't skip any offseason work, we could know some pretty important stuff today. We'll keep you updated on that as it goes on.
Oh, and by the way, the Bears don't seem to have any other defensive coordinators in mind. So let's all continue assuming Marinelli will do it until we hear otherwise. Thanks.
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so wait
did you guys ever even lose to Martz in detroit? Even as a lions fan I question the logic of recycling our used (& severely abused) coaches. Maybe your GM is just going through the teenage anti-conforming/rebellion stage because certainly no one else is hiring them.
Meanwhile, Matt Millen is still available somehow.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene."
by HireMattMillen on Feb 1, 2010 8:21 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
You got it, brudda
Hire Matt Millen as OC. Hire him as DC, QB coach and GM as well.
He can do all that stuff in his sleep!
Anecdotal evidence about Martz
ESPN showed a 1/2 hour NFL Films special on Super Bowl 34 (Rams over Titans, Martz was the OC). They showed Warner getting pounded by the Titans. I watched closely and saw a lot of 7-step drops. This is a concern of a lot of us about Martz; his QB’s get hit. But in the 2nd half, they were showing lots of shorter pass plays, 3 and 5 step drops. It seemed Martz realized what was happening and switched up. Maybe this is Vermeil telling Martz to stop getting Warner killed out there.
In the Bears case, Lovie, as the head coach, will be able to dictate certain things to Martz, whether that be running the ball more, or taking shorter drops to keep Jay from getting killed. It’s been said that Martz likes and respects Lovie, so I’m hoping that whatever instructions/dictates that come from Lovie during a game would be heeded.
The last 5 seasons
the martz has called the offensive plays the o line avg 55 sacks a season and the QB throws around 22-23 INTs (note: none of those QBs were known as “gunslingers”)…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Unfortunately,
I think more of the concerns come from whether Lovie will actually dictate those things.
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It's a fallacy
that Martz’s huge playbook only includes 7-step drops. There’s definitely room for adjustment and modification in order to better suit the Bears personnel.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
what's the delay?
hire one of these guys already.
Honestly...
David Haugh has been so wrong about so many things that I really don’t care what he thinks about anything. If Martz is extending an olive branch to Cutler by deciding to fly to Nashville to tell him that he can make him a HOF caliber QB then I’m all for it. Maybe he went because Cutler has already had to fly into Chicago on 2 other occasions to meet with coaches. I see no problem with Martz flying there.
maybe he went to see his stamp collection
who knows/who cares?
I agree
Cutler flew into Chicago on Thursday to meet with Rogers. Why should he be expected to fly in again on Friday or Saturday. We can only speculate about the reasoning. One thing is for sure though, if we can expect any kind of offensive production the OC and QB have to be on the same page IMO.
by Rjt77 on Feb 1, 2010 9:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Those are my thoughts exactly
Why make Cutler fly in to meet our endless OC search.
by Ryan21 on Feb 1, 2010 10:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dickerson on ESPN 1000
says the hold up is that there is still discussion on who can help the team win next year and martz is the more qualified but people within the organization (no names) think that rogers can turn it around since the players would not have to learn a completely new system…..
martz will be named the OC today or tomorrow…..
silvy is leery of the move, waddle gives it a thumbs up, dickerson as well is meh on the move but will give martz the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
i think they wanted the OC to be the next head coach
that way cutler doesn’t have to learn another system. martz throws a wrench in that plan.
then i want Martz
So next year they can hire a real coach not one of they bums they have now. Bill Cowher maybe. Also, I think we need to get J. Peppers. There is no cap and we need a pass rusher badly. Maybe Jerry can save face a little bit.
by Ryan21 on Feb 1, 2010 10:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
According to kaplan, boers, and burnstien
their sources have said that some people on the board (Tim and Brian McCaskey and a few others) want cowher as the next head coach….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Feb 1, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Nice
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Feb 1, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
-1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
+1
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Feb 1, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
I want a
vagina. For negotiating purposes only, though.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
There goes the neighborhood
There is no way on God’s green earth an offense run by Martz would work in Chicago. We do not have the offensive line or recievers or running back to run the show like Issac Bruce, Tory Holt, Marshall Faulk. The fact that there was no success in Detroit or San Fransisco shouldn’t be taken lightly. We have already gone through a year of growing pains. Now lets learn a new system so we can have another year of growing pains. Then when it all blows up in their damn faces and they all get canned we can have yet another year of growing pains with new coaching staff and system. The whole thing makes me sick. 3-4 years of growing pains because the management of this team SUCKS is simply unacceptable. If everyone would ban together and not buy tickets and merchandise for this team for a while, maybe they’d get the idea we’re sick of mediocrity when their pockets are no longer getting lined with money.
Martz won't work
Unless he can learn to call plays that work for the team, not what he likes to see.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
Jim Miller on the Score
thinks that martz will not get along with MIKE TICE since its one extreme to the other…Add in that martz and marinilli and Cutler might not get along as well…..
martz offense scheme is the complete OPPOSITE of what Cutler skills are….
martz wants his QBs to throw to spots and that is something Cutler is not done before….
Also martz offense is more a pocket passer friendly offense if the offensive line can protect and Cutler strengths is moving pocket around or rolling out of the pocket….
Also thinks that the WRs and RBs will not fare well in martzs offense….
Thinks that the Bears missed out on the right OC in gregg knapp….
Rogers make more sense for this team since that is what Cutler is comfortable with as west coast type offense….
He has heard that martz will be hired from the offensive players of the Bears (did not say when)…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Wow, Martz doesn't get along with Tice either? Anybody he does get along with?
Possibly Lovie because he’s too slow to get the rips.
Outside of whether he’s an inflexible ass or an offensive genius, I don’t see us having the players, draft picks, or time frame for him to accomplish much here.
Just let Lovie hire his guy
If they fail, all the more reason to clean house next year. If they do well, then everyone wins. I just really wish they would HIRE SOMEONE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, BFD , so it's Martz
- The Bears can only hire who would actually work here for Lovie and the other intellectually challenged in the Management.
- Whatever scheme he implements will still be limited by the personnel on the roster.
- We still are 6-7 players away from making any noise whatsoever in the NFC.
- Offense doesn’t win Championships, defense does.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Feb 1, 2010 11:44 AM CST reply actions
i'm warming to the idea of Martz...
…particularly if he’s likely on the same one-season evaluation as Lovie. All things considered, knowing that his job is on line over the course of one-season (both here and with regard to future OC positions) Martz is smart enough to devise a game plan to work with the players that he has on the field.
I would disagree with the following though:
We still are 6-7 players away from making any noise whatsoever in the NFC.
While I do not think that the Bears are a championship team, given only minor personnel changes, better coaching and a few breaks they should be able to post around 10 wins in 2010 and sneak in to the playoffs as a wild card. Not saying they will, but they’re close enough that they could…
Offense doesn’t win Championships, defense does.
Disagree. Especially in today’s NFL. The Colts and Saints are not in the Super Bowl because of their defenses. The better defensive team lost in both the NFC and AFC Championship games. You need balance on both sides of the ball to give your team a chance, but with the game on the line I want to be the team with Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, et al every time.
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by bobby h on Feb 1, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Saints and Colts have GREAT defenses
by Ryan21 on Feb 1, 2010 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
?
GREAT like 25th and 18th respectively in YPG Allowed (Bears 17th for comparison’s sake) or GREAT like 20th and 8th in Points Allowed (Bears 21st).
Both defenses are passable and kept their teams in games. The Saints compensated for a weakness at stopping teams with a knack for the turnover. Neither defense is great.
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
hub on the score
handled the situation poorly…and they are the laughing stock of the NFL….
Should of just hired martz from the get go because that who was they wanted…
The Bears believe that they are smarter than everyone else….
Angelo not wanting martz was incorrect….
Cutler is a cry baby and should not have any say in the OC search…..
martz has already agreed to a 2 year deal but are trying to get an ok from because he is a baby and a whiner Cutler…..
martz will be announced today or tomorrow…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Ops
martz has agreed to a 2 year deal but are trying to get an ok from Cutler because he is being a baby and whiner (something along those lines) in this situation….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Feb 1, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Was on the score with
dan mcneil….not official yet because of Cutler….according to hub….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Feb 1, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
ROFLMAO... WTF is wrong with these people!?!?!?
“The Bears believe that they are smarter than everyone else….”
Why let reality complicate delusion!?!
This
1. He would stimulate Cutler mentally with his passing game and his game plans, and this will remind Cutler of his days in Denver with Jeremy Bates, at least in terms of creativity — providing Lovie Smith allows Martz to run his entire scheme. He would command Cutler’s respect, and they’d have a very productive working relationship.
2. There would be a rhythm to the passing game, forcing the ball to come out of Cutler’s hand with a sense of timing. He would not be allowed to predetermine the throw based on preference but on coverage.
3. The wide receivers would be in tune with the offense, and Martz would be demanding in terms of precision in the routes. There wouldn’t be any miscommunication between Cutler and his receivers as there was last year. Cutler was loose with the ball, especially in the red zone, but often he was screwed by the wideouts running the wrong routes.
4. There would be one voice in Cutler’s head — Martz’s. He would coach the quarterback and make sure there is no miscommunication. A play caller in the NFL must coach the quarterback — he also must be in perfect harmony with the quarterback. This would happen under Martz’s leadership.
5. Martz would eliminate certain throws in the offense and tailor the offense around Cutler’s talent. Expect the Bears to have a very high yards-per-attempt average next year if Martz is the coordinator.
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Feb 1, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
OK
mort reported last night on ESPN that martz would be offered the job that night….
I have seen a supposed “Bears insiders” at other sites state that martz would offered the job and they were working out the contract….
You had dickerson this morning state that what he has heard is that martz will be named the OC….
Jim Miller on the Score state that he had Bears offensive players tell him that they were told martz will be hired…..
and Just now hub on the score just said that martz has already agreed to a 2 year deal….
Just announce the dame thing already…..sheesh its not like it is some big secret now….
might as well have the post up here with stats and what not and start talking about it already….
Hes Lovie buddy….when has Lovie turned down a buddy….NEVER…..If Lovie is still head coach of the Bears his son will be named DC in 2011 or 2012….book it…
damn a bunch of moRANs up there….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I'm a die hard Bears fan since the mid 1970's
But I just do not see this “marriage” working at all. As I said in an earlier post, the offense will try to learn this new system. Next year will see growing pains in learning the new system. The team will falter as a result. They fire Lovie and crew and bring in a new regime. A new system ensues. Yet another year of learning and growing pains. What in the hell does this accomplish. This organization has taken a large step to being in the shitter. They should have cleaned house and brought in a new coaching staff. That way we could have a year of growing pains, get some draft picks and rebuild this once great organization. But NO….we have to hire one of Lovie’s buddies. He will ruin our franchise quarterback. We will not have a franchise to speak of if they keep going with all of this BS. There is a reason Martz was out of work. Papa Bear has to be spinning in his grave. What the hell are we doing?
No crystal ball here but
What the hell are we doing?
I’m praying to God that Cutler stays healthy.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Rationaling Marts and D-coordinator
Marts must have professed a change in philosophy (more run plays and less 7 step drops) to be considered for the job. It is the only way I can rationalize his consideration for coordinator.
As for the Defense, I can only think that top candidates on the list are in the Superbowl this Sunday. That’s the only excuse I can think of…and if so, I’m ok with their procrastination.
Finally
Mike Martz is hired…a safer choice in my opinion….






















