Breaking: Mike Martz is the Bears OC
by Kev H on Feb 1, 2010 2:48 PM CST
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It's happened. From Chicago Bears.com:
The Bears on Monday hired Mike Martz to be their offensive coordinator.
Martz, 58, worked with Bears coach Lovie Smith in St. Louis, operating an explosive Rams offense that was dubbed "The Greatest Show on Turf." The unit featured quarterback Kurt Warner, running back Marshall Faulk, and wide receivers Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt.
Other news from around the league:
Biggs sounds off at Chicagobreakingsports.com
A story from the Sun-Times before news broke: good quote from Theisman:
''Of all the quarterbacks I've seen, Jay hates throwing the ball away more than anybody,'' NFL Network analyst Joe Theismann said. ''He needs to learn that not every throw needs to be a touchdown. During a point in the season, he seemed determined not to throw to anybody but Greg Olsen. He has to get over the periods where he doesn't care and throws it in there.''
So it's done. Tell us why it's the best thing ever or the worst thing ever below.
Helmet tips aplenty to anytime09, patriotbball5460, and guancous
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You just beat me to this.
I also saw the news on Chicago Breaking Sports via ifuwannacrownem
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
Lovely
"Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. "---George S. Halas
by Halas is God!!!!! on Feb 1, 2010 2:40 PM CST reply actions
Well it's official
Funny thing is that if we were given this news 10 years ago, everyone would as excited as we were when Cutler got here. I’m excited. Lovie is in a make or break year. Apparently Cutler wanted him so let’s go!
I'm excited because its just one more year with Martz
and then Jim Harbaugh with me the next head coach, take it to Vegas!
All I can say is...
finally. A decision!
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
+1
whew… way o run around in circles and go back to the beginning. LOL.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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from stale offense to creative offense = YAY
by No It All on Feb 1, 2010 2:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
somewhere, in Nashville
Jay Cutler is crying in the dark.
You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes.
From what i'm hearing
He’s the one that signed off on it
Yeah
There were lots of stories about Martz meeting with Cutler, so that the Bears would know that Cutler was okay with it.
Funny...but I doubt it.
Jay has got to think that this is exactly the opposite of the boring and unimaginative offensive scheme that he tried to play this last season.
If Martz is as smart as I think he is, he will make the necessary adjustments to make his offense highlight Cutler’s strengths…if not Martz will never work in the NFL again…I believe he knows this.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Feb 1, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Ron Turner had a good offensive scheme.
the play calling was the problem.
You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes.
by ifuwannacrownem on Feb 1, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and...
that’s not hurting my feelings any!!! Two guys who run 4.3 40s and a guy who can throw the ball 90 yards flat footed. Bombs sound good to me
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And this is good
for our broken down, crippled defense because….?
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
There is no argument I hate more than the
“We need to run the ball so our defense gets rest!” Hmm…
-So, you’d rather NOT score points? Last time I checked, that was kinda the point.
-Like the 3 and out better, do ya?
-I think I read somewhere that when your offense scores points it allows your defense to tee off on the QB and that is bad how…?
-And once you have a lot of points on the board, then you can do things like run the ball and control the clock.
But maybe I’m wrong…
Right with ya on that.
Just think watching GB while listening to bad country music. I’d be ready to shoot myself!! lmao
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
ummm....
How bout watchin’ Green Bay WIN while listening to country music (saying BAD country music is just being repetitive)………I’d have to claw out my eyes AND ears!
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 2, 2010 5:32 AM CST up reply actions
I would love to score points
but if this past season was any indication (multiple blowouts, Viking rally) I fail to see how our pass defense suddenly improves. It makes for an exciting game but I don’t think I want to see our guys in shootouts, especially in the division.
I’m not saying that we have to run the ball so our defense rests. I’m saying we have to control the clock so our defense rests and to keep the other offense off the field.
When you have a big lead your defense can tee off but being overly aggressive can also set the D up for giving up a big play. Or it can sit back and let the other team matriculate down the field, thus controlling the clock and wearing out the defense.
Having a lot of points on the board is a great thing but do we really have the D to keep the other guys from doing the same thing?
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
I'm talking about the offense.
The defense is Lovie’s department. If we don’t have the D to keep the other guy from scoring, then a shootout might be the only way to win.
Look, we have 2 options.
1. Score points early, put the D in a position to win by putting pressure on their O to score points.
2. Play it safe, control the clock, run the ball. Our (bad by your own admission) D gives up a few TDs, and before you know it, the pressure is on us and we have to throw anyways, only this time it’s from behind.
Which would you rather have?
And you are making my own point for me. If you don’t think our defense is good, then what is the point in holding onto the ball? You can’t keep it away forever, you’ve either got to score or punt. If you have a great D, ball control can work because you can rely on your D to hold the opponent. But what you are describing is a ball control offense with a bad team. It sounds like the buffalo bills. Is that what you want?
Repeat it with me:
“Scoring points is a good thing”
“A good offense is not bad”
And my post was about the defense
which isn’t Lovie’s department anymore. That position remains to be filled. I’m just suggesting that “60 yard bombs”, although exciting, and certainly doable, is characteristic of a wide open down field passing attack, and that’s fine with me.
Having said that, with all the secondary shuffling amongst youthful, inexperienced players, is this a winning strategy? Or are we setting the D up for failure? We can win a track meet on both sides of the ball with anyone in the league but does this defense in reality have the personnel to keep up in a “shootout”? Remember that we would be playing nickle and dime defenses which means we won’t be tapping into our great LB depth, healthy or not.
Further, as far as “teeing off” goes, who exactly will be doing that? Our DE’s? OUR DE’s?? Corner or Safety blitzers? There better be a lot of deceptive or disguised blitzing schemes that are effective because otherwise we get toasted.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
And now we can finally move on to the Defensive Coordinator!!!!
Unless we promote from within…doh!!!!
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
Alan Williams
I’m hoping we are waiting for the Super Bowl to conclude, to hire him. As much as I would like to scream for a coach to bring in the 3-4 scheme, Lovie isn’t having it. So I think we should bring in a coach, that knows this system, and comes from a team that runs this defense well.
by DaBearsinOklahoma on Feb 1, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
WR's
do we have any intelligent enough to learn this EXTREMELY complicated offense?
Sarcasm?
because didn’t he have trouble getting on the field his rookie year because he didn’t know the playbook?
"In an ideal world I would have all 10 fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching."
A large part of it seems to be
that he had to learn all of them simultaneously…most times receivers are functionally put into a role, and learn that role. While there’s no real different between running hooks/slants/fly patterns from different areas, learning how to read the defense and adjust from each place changes greatly.
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I doubt it.
He had guys in front of him just like Iglesias and he had to learn all wideout positions. He’s an intelligent guy outside of football and has shown just this season that he is a reliable receiver.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah i'm hearing B&B talk about our dumb WRs
I disagree. Martz has a philosophy and a proven one. I think if the WR’s know where to be and are coached up along with Cutler then the sky is the limit. I’m going to be positive about this hire.
Who you crappin?
Have you ever heard Hester or Bennett speak?
Hmmm
Double major in Sociology and educational studies.
Then who cares how he talks
Seems like a smart guy to me
if i do recall correctly
he went back and got his degree during the off-season. think forte did the same.
Run here. Catch ball.
It isn’t rocket scientology peoples.
by No It All on Feb 1, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
We don't always see eye to eye
but damn, that’s funny.
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Awesome.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
You mean intelligence??? Haha, kind of ironic dont you think.
5 different recievers with about 50 catches (Knox with 45) not including Aromashadu, yea I think so.
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
it is
WIDE RECIEVERS, do we have any intelligent enough to learn this EXTREMELY complicated offense?
I do believe this is correct sentence
But you have to admit the only reason you ask that is because of the way Hester talks.
Because Bennett went to Vanderbilt, a highly regarded school, and Knox was solid all year. So that was clearly a shot at Devin, but I do hear that alot not just from you. Its just funny because all he has done in his 3 years of learning the position is improve. I think WR is our strength but thats just me.
And I did read that sentence wrong, my apologies, but I will cite capitalization as well!!!!!
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
by ANYTIME09 on Feb 1, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
because it is too easy?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Feb 1, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
because Ray Lewis will getcha when you sleep
by No It All on Feb 1, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think
there’s a Ray Lewis under my bed.
Either that, or a Willem Dafoe.
The Beatles. The Fab Four. The greatest band of all time. John, Paul, George and Scottie Pippen.
i could see how it might be difficult to tell them apart
i dunno which would be more terrifying though.
Dafoe was never brought up on murder charges...
To the best of my knowledge.
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Feb 1, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
hahahahaha
dude it was from Family Guy. Willem Dafoe never murdered anyone except for in Platoon.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
guess I missed that one...
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Feb 1, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
When you're a football player, the academic quality of the school you go to is meaningless
Yes Vanderbilt is a good school. But I assure you that the “education” Bennett and cutler received is drastically different than the one most Vanderbilt students do.
And while were at it
Vandys not that good of a school. It’s right on par with places like cal, USC, and michigan, all of which have produced a decent crop of bonehead athletes (matt leinart, David Terrell, etc)
Think that's a little unfair.....
Considering the guy went back in the off-season to finish a double major. I always find it funny when people throw the “stupid football player” card on guys who not only graduate college, but do so while studying a playbook more comlex and requiring more study than most academic courses. Bennett dual majored, graduated and did so while also focusing on college and pro football. Not saying all football players are geniuses, but picking out Bennett is probably not the best example of “dumb”.
“But, but, but…. he spent a year off the field to learn the system!!!”
Learning three positions is a pain, and if ya don’t understand just how different X,Y,and Z are then you probably have never seen a playbook more complex than your high school’s.
Oh, and Vandy as an academic University?
Ranked 17th nationally by US News and World Report tied with Rice and Emory
And the Princeton Review gives Vanderbilt a score of 98 out of 99 academically
Not exactly “not that good of a school”
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 2, 2010 5:57 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm...
By it’s not that good of a school, I meant that it’s no Harvard. However, because it’s an expensive private school it carries a better reputation than public schools of comparable quality. The same applies for schools like Emory, Rice, etc. But this is a sports blog, so let’s not debate this endlessly.
And I never said Bennett was dumb. I simply said that assuming he’s intelligent because he went to a pretty good school is not a good assumption to make, even if he double-majored (I will point out that sociology and educational studies aren’t exactly known as hard majors). And even if he had graduated with a 4.0, triple majoring in mathematics, biochemistry and mechanical engineering, I still wouldn’t really care, because that has very little to do with being a good football player.
hmm.....
Well, that was a nice response, except that it completely contradicts what you said above, and it never bother to refute any of my points, or even acknowledge them.
Oh, and I provided respected rankings (Tied with 19th with Rice and Emory out or 4140 public and private colleges and universities in the US) and ratings (98 out of 99) and you basically replied with “well Vendy ain’t all that cause it ain’t Harvard”
Well, NOBODY’S HARVARD!!!!!!! Except, of course Harvard. What does that have to do with anything? Vandy is also better than 4119 other Schools. Not to shabby.
I gess I musta been one of those boneheded college playas, cause I jist don’t get yer point in dat one……..
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 4, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
The US News rankings are heavily flawed.
You want more than my opinion. Fine. Look up the peer assessment ratings of colleges. Basically, it’s a ratings of how good a school is based on the opinion of those actually involved in academia. It’s a much more reliable indicator than stuff like student-to-faculty ratio (where private schools fudge their numbers to look better) or alumni giving rate.
Anyways Vandy’s PA score is 4.0 (as is emory’s and rice’s). On the other hand, Georgia Tech and Illinois also got a 4.0, Wisconsin and UNC get a 4.1, Michigan has a 4.4, and Cal has a 4.7. However, when was the last time you heard some sports announcer say something along the lines of “player x must be smart, because he went to Wisconsin”? Probably never, but you do hear things like that about Vanderbilt, which annoys the hell out of me, because it perpetuates the myth that the more money you pay for college, the better your education is.
Peer assessment ratings of colleges are...
heavily flawed as well, making personal experience the end all and be all of the rating. It also fails to take into account the difference in expectations of a student who attends Vandy against the expectations of a student who attends Michigan or that students desire to see his school do well in the ratings. It fails to address another issue as well. What exactly is that Wisconsin student comparing his experiences against? See my point? The Princeton review eliminates personal preferences and school loyalties, as does the US News rankings (which includes the peer ranking scores into it’s formula).
BTW, Michigan is actually a very good school besides being an athletics institution.
As to your question, I cannot recall a player being called out by an anouncer as being smart because they went to Vandy or USC or anywhere, for that matter. I have heard players be called out as smart because they were Academic All-Americans, or because of their course study. But never because of their school. I’m sure it’s happened, but I wouldn’t think it was prevalent.
I do, however agree with you on the Public/Private perception. However, using the University of Michigan as an example isn’t really a great Idea. UofM is the 19th Ranked College in the world, and the #1 ranked public institution in the world. In fact it’s ranked ahead of Private institutions like Edinbough, Tokyo, Carnagie Mellon, Brown, Rice, Emory and yes, Vandy. Cal comes in at 32, 1 spot behind Brown. These rankings take the peer assessments into account, as well. Harvard, of course, ranks #1 with Cambridge 2nd and Yale 3rd according to the US News world rankings.
And for the record:
Public schools ahead of Vanderbilt in the USNEWS rankings
University of Michigan
University of California (Main Campus, San Diego and Berkley were all ahead of Vandy)
Penn State
Minnesota
Virginia
Ohio State
Texas
University of Southern California
and Purdue
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 4, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Every method of ranking colleges is flawed
But I think the peer assessment scores are a bit better than USNews rankings. At any rate, let’s put this conversation to rest, seeing as this is a sports blog.
Rec'd
ANYTIME.
You're being very Un-Dude right now.
by IslandBoodler87 on Feb 1, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
smart?
Have you ever heard Ocho Cinco speak? You do not have to perform rocket surgery to play WR.
by DaBearsinOklahoma on Feb 1, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Ocho Cinco...
I think that says it all.
Jake is right, we did have a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
by Chauncey Baker on Feb 1, 2010 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
D.A
and Knox. Hester is the only one who has trouble with his routes really. I look for Bennet, DA, and Iglesias to be our primaries this year
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My bad sorry I didn't finish
but all of our wideouts are inexperienced and all made mistakes with their routes this season. Hester isn’t going to be removed from his duties for Iglesias, Hester is in his 3rd year as a wideout and he has progressed each season. He won’t be our #1 I hope though, DA can be our #1.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
maybe tho...just maybe
martz will open the eyes of everyone and say “hey devin (hester) youre gonna be my reggie bush”
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If
we are throwing the ball 60 % of the time we’re gonna need everybody.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Sweet
All we need is a much better offensive line, smarter wide receivers who run crisper routes, a qb who makes better decisions, and some pass-blocking TEs and we will have a perfect fit.
DEJESUS!!!
Check, check, and check!
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Not Good - Make or Break for Everyone
Improved D and playoffs = Lovie extension, Cutler improved but D sucks = No Lovie but Martz gets HC job. We need a total disaster to get a whole new staff.
"My ficas tree could call plays better than Ron Turner." - My Dad
Can we stop rooting for the bears to fail so lovie gets fired
Is it that implausible to think that maybe lovie can turn things around and make us into winners? And even if it is, why can’t we still root for him while he’s still the coach?
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 1, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't get me wrong
I am behind the team still I will definitely be rooting for him to turn it around. I am just saying that for the people who want him gone then that’s what needs to happen.
"My ficas tree could call plays better than Ron Turner." - My Dad
by Sam Householder on Feb 1, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
I don't mind Lovie but Jim Harbaugh would be excellent
as a bears coach and former player, just like Mike Ditka!
IMO
Brian Schottenheimer would be an ecxcellent choice.
by DaBearsinOklahoma on Feb 1, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for defining "true fan" for us......
Look, I don’t want to see the Bears lose. But I’m really tired of people around here who seem to want to tell us all what the true fans are.
How is that any different than me answering your post with:
“Anyone who would rather see Smith stay than the see the Bears win isn’t a true fan.”
or
“All these Smith Shills helped embolden Phillips to believe Chicago could get one more year out of their money, regardless of the outcome, thus helping to keep our Bears down, so you’re not true fans.”
And Lovie Smith is not The Chicago Bears. Equating the two is about the same as me saying that if you complained about Orlando Pace, well then you’re not a true fan. Lovie is a cog, not the machine.
It’s feasible that this whole thing could get turned around, but it won’t because of Smith’s genius. Martz might be able to fix what’s broken with the D, and whoever ends up DC might be able to fix what ales the defense.
I hope upon hope that the Bears give us a Super Bowl next year. The draft and FA signings are yet to come. Could’ve hired worse than Martz, and oddly enough, This team is set up an awful lot, personnel-wise, like the Rams were when Martz ran the show there, so It could work. I’m not feeling optimistic yet. But the right DC hire could move me in that direction.
But based on Smith’s past decisions, He has a lot to prove for me to believe in him. Everyone can change though.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 2, 2010 6:17 AM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
But I really don’t justify how you can call yourself a fan of a team if you root for them to lose, be it for a draft pick, coaching change, whatever.
Who's rooting for the team to lose?
Certainly not me, nor was gallopin ghost, to whom you responded, as a matter of fact I believe he said:
I am behind the team still I will definitely be rooting for him to turn it around. I am just saying that for the people who want him gone then that’s what needs to happen.
So who are you referring to?
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 3, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
REC'd brother
AS LONG AS I LIVE I WANT THE BEARS TO WIN!
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 1, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
i hope they go 19-0 and lovie gets a 10 year extension. Lol and i’m not even kidding. that would make my life
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That would truly be funny as hell.
If they end up doing really good, say, 11-6…just watch, same haters will be on the Martz bandwagon. One of those, I knew it all along, deals.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Or
11-4 and lose 2 playoff games. ; )
Not sure if that’s what he meant or if he was just thinking 17 weeks in the season and kind of just blurted it out there.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
math is a funny thing
11+4=x (solve for x) OR 11+5=y (solve for y)
Hint;
16 games in a season
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
My bad, need to read up the WHOLE thread.
I’d like to apologize for my lack of reading skills, but I still like my math.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
LMAO
And we’re concerned that the playbook might be too much for our receivers! Great tag line btw Just Dave!
but I still like my math.
Chicks dig sweet skills!
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
That is ridiculous. There is no way Martz becomes OC. Half the organization
didn’t want to hire him for OC!
When did the Al Davis buy the Bears?
Well Forte can go ahead and park it for the year.
Jay will be benched by game 3 so Martz can trot out some guy that played for him 5 years ago “because he has a better understanding of my system,” Martz will be quoted as saying.
Next it will be annouced that Dick Jauron will be DC. Dick’s first move will be to institute a 5-2 defense.
Anyone want to give me the over/under on any of these?
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
I think you're close...
…but instead of benching Cutler, it will be a required replacement, because Martz’s offense will get Cutler a spot on the IR…
"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." ~Vince Lombardi
by Fire Ron Turner on Feb 1, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Sign Mark Bulger!
I knew Martz would want him back!
I actually think this will be good for Forte.....
Forte has the right skill set for a Martz scheme. He’s a danger out of the backfield, and really has a similar skill set to Marshall Faulk, minus the speed. Forte could very well be the player who blossoms the most under Martz.
Cutler aught to flourish in this system as well.
I think some people might be missing the big picture, here. No, Martz wouldn’t have been my first choice. But given the situation with Lovie, I’m willing to watch and see what Martz can do with the untapped talent on this offense. The offensive layout of this team seem well suited for Martz, which might be why he wanted this job so badly. Cutler has to excite him as Martz likes QBs who aren’t afraid to force the ball. Martz was always a high risk/high reward guy, and Cutler definitely should tickle his fancy. Our WR set is definitely in line with Martz’s style, with speed being first and foremost. Hester, Aromashadu and Knox really fit the scheme. Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Az-Zahir Hakim and Ricky Proehl all had their best stretches under Martz. I see Olsen being impressive in a Martz style offense.
With this being a make or Break season for Smith, experimenting with Martz seems worth the gamble. What is there to lose?
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 2, 2010 6:48 AM CST up reply actions
Time will tell
give him a shot!! I bet we let him go if things start going bad on the offense. He did decent in SF,what WR’s did they have? IMO i think we have a hell of alot better roster then SF and DET when he was there. lets do this martz!!!!!!!!!
yay! martz.
he improved the SF and Det offense. it’ll be interesting at worst.
exactly!
i agree..he did improve them a lil,he didnt have much to work with either..with the bears he has alot of guys i believe!
Martz numbers since the Rams are misleading.
Why did he get fired from both teams and reports that Martz was unwilling to follow the orders of his head coach for balance play calling and other things. With all the deep passes, it will be easy for any decent QB to have inflated numbers.
You probably answered your own question.
Unwillingness to follow orders will get you fired in any organization. But then how does that show he’s a bad coordinator?
SF...iffy
SF Offensive rank by year:
2007 32nd
2008 22nd
2009 18th
(Martz was only the OC for 2008)
Yes, he pulled them up from 32nd, but only to 22nd, and the team wasn’t really impressive offensively. I give him credit for Detroit, but I wouldn’t put San Fran on his resume if I were him.
Pulling any offense up 10 spots IS impressive.
Especially when you have JT O’Sullivan and Shaun Hill as your QB.
It sounds like nothing would make you happy.
It's not that great
For a guy to be considered an offensive guru, you would expect him to get the team higher than that.
Especially considering they ditched the Mike Martz system and went up even more spots. I’m not aware of any great talent infusion during that time, which leads me to believe that 2007 was more just a really bad year, and not that Martz did anything impressive with the team in his year.
And yes, his QB choices were awful, but remember Martz insisted on starting O’Sullivan over Hill.
Well...
He’s considered an offensive guru, not God, so yes, jumping 10 spots in one year is good. To put it in context, their scoring output went up 54% (!), from 219 pts to 339.
They might have went up four spots in the rankings, but they scored nine points less overall as a team the year after they jettisoned Martz.
O’Sullivan/Hill, they are both awful. Hill reminds me of Caleb Hanie. Loads of moxie, talent, not so much.
Imo, Cutler has way more talent than anyone he has worked with...
except KW. I think the doubters will be pleasantly surprised this coming season, at least thats what I’m hoping.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Quite a lineup of coaches...
Martz, Tice, Marinelli, Toub.
Sending condolences and peaceful thoughts to the family and community of Gaines Adams.
The HC club,
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by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
AHHHH
To hear the a certain Coach Ditka chew Martz out
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 1, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
"there aren't any receivers"
that was a martz quote i just heard on the radio, from after the eagles game.
What's the over/under on number of games it takes for the Martz offense to get Jay killed?
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
10 Games?
(Sighs) Well ………………………………………………..ya
3 games / 20% of the playbook installed
don’t be fooled people Martz and the Bears is a bad mix.
Shoe on the other foot
How long does it take for Jay to kill Martz?
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Like, how much time leads up to it?
Or how long does the actual act take?
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Serenity now
insanity later! It will definitely be built up anger and frustration boiling over to an all-out sideline brawl.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
To borrow a Radiohead line/song
It will be like a “druken punch-out at a wedding” yeah.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
that is damn funny...
How long does it take for Jay to kill Martz?
"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." ~Vince Lombardi
by Fire Ron Turner on Feb 1, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm actually not so worried about that...
…with a full season of Chris Williams at LT our pass blocking is probably not going to be that bad. The Bears didn’t leave a lot of blockers in last year, anyway.
Now, as for run blocking…
Hopefully
A healthy Kreutz, Beekman at LG and Schaefer at RT will improve our Run blocking.
I don’t know if i can drink the koolaid on Frank Omiyale as starting LG just yet.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 2, 2010 4:10 AM CST up reply actions
Numb
I don’t know if I should be excited that we finally hired SOMEBODY or pissed that it was Martz, which i think everyone saw coming- i think i’m just numb right now! My Bears have completely changed right before my (& Urlacher’s) eyes!
J.T.
J.T. O’Sullivan a word of advice- GET READY!
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by Ditkavsworld
Ready for a repeat performance?
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by Ditkavsworld
this is ridiculous
Cutler’s going to be in 3 different systems with us in 3 years.
The writing is on the wall with this hire. We’re going to struggle again next year and then Lovie and this whole staff will be obliterated and then Cutler will be stuck having to learn a new offense
fewer more efficient ways at screwing up a QB than constantly switching systems
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 1, 2010 3:10 PM CST reply actions
Right. Bad hire.
once the final results are in next season on how bad this hire is, I hope this inept management turn this offense over to Cowher or some respectable coach. when the Bears trade for Cutler, it was a great acquisitions, but to totally screw it up by retaining a pathetic coaching staff nulls this trade. Hopefully, Jay is strong enough to maintain until real coaches get hired.
What do you mean turn the offense over to Cowher?
He’s a defensive-minded coach. If you mean turn the team over to him then I gotcha.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
But that was going to happen regardless of who we brought in as OC.
Everyone knows its a good chance Lovie gets fired at the end of the season. The 3 systems thing is inevitable.
not necessarily
if they hired someone who wasn’t a retread that no one in the NFL wants to work with, there would be a chance the coordinator would have success in 2010 and the new coaching staff would want to keep the system the same (albeit a small chance)
with martz there’s nothing like that. Head Coaches don’t want to work with martz and most coaches don’t believe in his system
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 1, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
There's a time to take chances, and times not to.
So you don’t want Martz because there is a small chance we’d hire someone so great they would become HC after Lovie gets fired? Hmmm….
The reality is that with the state of Lovie’s tenure where it is, the smart move for him is to hire someone who is proven. It’s also his track record to hire people he’s familiar with. When you put the two together, the clear choice was Martz.
Martz is a great coordinator with a favorable history. His downfall has been frequent disagreements with the FO and HC. But since we all hate both anyways, what’s the problem?
His system has been one of the most successful in NFL history. Because of it’s complexity, however, it’s rarely implemented correctly. Luckily, Martz has been know to implement it correctly. Yay.
you lost me
when you suggested Martz has been successful….
when he had Warner and Faulk two HOF’s he was successful, when he hasn’t he’s been horrible
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 1, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
C'mon. That's true for any coach.
The mark of success for a coordinator has to be what he/she has done given the talent they have. Martz has maximized offensive talent everywhere he’s been.
Using that logic you could say Warner is only successful when he has superior talent around him. Or Montana was only successful because he had Rice.
Bad argument, Dartmouth! And here I thought we were going to have a good back and forth!
give me some sort of breakdown that supports your thesis
note, i forgot to include a HOF LT as well.
He came over to the Rams in 1999 as an O coordinator and that happened to be the year they traded for Faulk who was already an established star and had just drafted Tory Holt in the 1st round.
Now sure he deserves credit for cultivating Holt, Bruce and Warner, but Pace and Faulk were established studs.
Once he lost Warner his offense’s struggled. In addition his teams were almost always in the bottom of the league in turnover margin
1999 – 9th
2000 – 26th
2001- 26th
2002 – 32nd
2003 – 7th
2004 – 32nd
2005 – 28th
2006 – 29th
2007 – 17th
2008 – 31st
TO Margin is generally predictive but not consistent. Its predictive in the sense that it generally dictates outcomes of games, but not consistent in that it varies significantly from year to year. With Mike Martz teams it generally was consistent that they’d finish near the bottom in turnover margin, this is because his offense promotes high risk/high reward scenarios and de-emphasizes ball security with 5-7 step drops and the focus on throwing the ball to an area rather than a receiver.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 2, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
thats a stretch
fumbles are not correlated to any offensive system, and neither are defensive takeaways, so turnover margin is not correlated to any offense.
Now if you said interceptions…..
"What are you doing Dragic?!"
its not a stretch
more fumbles come as a result of sacks, the system yields more sacks because it leaves less people in to block
the whole point is that for most systems you’re correct turnovers in general are not predictive, but with Martz system the team finished in the bottom 6 in the league in 67% of the seasons he coached, and finished in the top half of the league just once
this isn’t a coincidence, martz system leaves the QB exposed looking for big plays. It’s a high risk high reward system that leads to lots of yards, big plays, and turnovers
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 2, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
There we go! Sorry, was busy all day today and didn't have a chance
to post.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, there. If what you are saying…
but with Martz system the team finished in the bottom 6 in the league in 67% of the seasons he coached, and finished in the top half of the league just once.
…is correct, then you are proving that the stat you posted has no correlation to the success of a football team. Because the teams he coached for made the playoffs 5 of 10 seasons. So while his system might be high/risk high/reward, the success of his teams in terms of record, playoff appearances, and scoring offense ranking seem to indicate that the reward gained from taking said risks is well worth it.
One post you say that the reason he’s been successful has been because of HOFers like Warner and Faulk, and the next you give him the credit for developing Warner. Make up your mind! If he gets credit for developing HOFers and putting them in a position to succeed, then you are proving he is a good coach!
we could get lucky
and Martz could be our next head coach!!!!! or better yet MIKE TICE!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!….>=[
Makin' Copies
Looks like we are in for ...
The Greatest Show on poorly maintained sod.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 1, 2010 3:15 PM CST reply actions 12 recs
The Greatest Show on the remnants of a U2 concert.
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.
Enjoy the Green
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by Sam Householder on Feb 1, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
re'd
and why does the reccing make it green, that the color of the Cheeseheads, it should turn orange or Blue
It's the color
we wish the sod would be when Da Bears take the field… ;)
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by Ashley Czuba on Feb 2, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Does anybody think
he might want Orlando Pace playing LT? They do have a history together. I would hope they would keep C. Williams and it would definitely be a mistake but who knows, I just thought about it.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 3:24 PM CST reply actions
That is a thought, he is just too old.
But I have heard that this offense does give up alot of sacks.
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
god i hope not
angelo needs to cut his ass ASAP
This does worry me
Let’s not forget, Lovie worked with Pace as well (well, on the same team), and Pace wasn’t pulled last year for performance—he got injured.
I hope the coaches come to their senses and leave Williams out on the left side, but I’m not 100% sure it will happen.
I think having Mike Tice as Line coach will fix this
He doesn’t look like a puppet in my opinion, if he thinks Cdub should start, i am sure Cdub will probably start.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 2, 2010 4:14 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefully Martz taking notes from the Saints.
how to have a high flying offense with a run game and mix of TE play.
by Soloistic on Feb 1, 2010 3:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
TE?
Why do you need a TE when you can run a 4 WR set and send the RB into the flats for every play?
Olsen better start workinf on his speed drills if he expects to see the field next year.
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by Ditkavsworld
Doesn't matter
Cutler will find his bro-ham anywhere on the field.
BCB - We have our own dictionary!
THIS I DO NOT GET AT ALL
every team needs a RT. as if not having Martz would make it ok to have a crappy RT. er wait I actually think that could be the Bears logic regarding the OL recently… as long as we focus on 3 step drops we don’t need a RT…. yeah that sounds right, lets get another DLineman.
just a better one
i know LT is supposed to be more important bcuz of the “blind side” but did you see our RT play this year? IT SUKD!!!
I liked what K. Shaffer
did in the last quarter of the season at RT. I’d say give him another chance to compete for the job.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Omiyale could be a pretty good RT
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 1, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
True.
I actually read an article where Omiyale was saying he wouldn’t like it if they decided to move him because he was finally getting used to playing LG and he didn’t want to switch.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
He was a tackle
when we brought him in from Carolina. Sounds like your just bias against him because you expected more out of him at LG but he had never played that position.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
And on top of that...
Omiyale looked a helluva lot better in the last 3-4 games. It just takes reps… lots and lots of live reps, especially when at a new position (and in a new scheme, and with new teammates, etc.).
I think Omiyale will be just fine whether it’s at LG or RT (although I’d like to see him move back to RT and hope that Angelo/ Tice can find a new LG). I’d almost like to see Gesiakob starting at RT over Shaffer.
Sending condolences and peaceful thoughts to the family and community of Gaines Adams.
Hahaha.
For the fear of being deleted I won’t say anything.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Meh, your comment the other day was only deleted
because it was in reply to the real comment that I deleted. I really, really wanted to leave yours up, but I had to follow my own rules.
Sending condolences and peaceful thoughts to the family and community of Gaines Adams.
Thanks Dane
you’re a class act, my friend.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
but it’s more difficult to draft a RT than a G. The demand is much higher, so it will be interesting to see what they do at RT.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Not at all, are you?
Apparently you don’t remember how he played RT before the Bears moved him to LG
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Feb 2, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Let Omiyale and Shaffer battle out the RT spot. Shaffer was a cap casualty in Cleveland and performed pretty well there. Guards are where we need to concentrate. FA looks like it will be shallow, but there are a couple of good FA guards out there who could be helpful, assuming they don’t get re-signed before FA starts.
Rex Hadnot out Cleveland (28)
Mike Brisiel of Houston (27)
and Eugene Amano (27)
Amano would be my choice, if we can get him. The lack of a CBA is going to limit the munber of UFAs and ,maximize the market value of those that are free, which of course scares me, as the Bears aren’t exactly big spenders. So this year could very well see the status quo with Williams, Omiyale, Kruetz, Garza and Shaffer.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 2, 2010 7:13 AM CST up reply actions
Martz lead offense since 05
since 05 martz lead offense:
TDs to INTs since 2005:
05 – 23 / 24
06 – 21 / 22
07 – 19 / 22
08 – 21 / 19
Roughly a 50% TD to INT ratio
Run to Pass plays and Play %
05 – 380 Runs; 599 Pass; 39 – 61
06 – 304 Runs; 596 Pass; 34 – 66
07 – 324 Runs; 587 Pass; 36 – 64
08 – 397 Runs; 509 Pass; 44 – 56 (*note only because singletary pushed for more running and threatening to fire martz mid season)
Avg since 2005 62 % pass 38 % run
before being forced to run in 08 64 % Pass 36 % run
Sacks:
05 – 46
06 – 63
07 – 55
08 – 55
Avg sacks for season since 05 = 54.5
Wins
05 – 6
06 – 3
07 – 7
08 – 7
No winning season since 03….
Points Per Game:
05 – 22.7
06 – 19.1
07 – 21.6
08 – 21.2
PPG avg over 5 seasons: 21 PPG
My prediction :
Cutler 4000 yards 25 TDs 28 INTs but a probowl berth after 8 QBs in front of him drop out
Olsen to disappear and have his worse season receiving wise
Hester to disappear and wont be able to learn the offense
65 sacks given up by the O line
record 6-10
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
That sure sounds like a
“CloudyFuture”
ZING!
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
this was read i on the Score, i guess you sent it in.
but more importantly, how many points did the teams score before he was hired, when he was there, and after he left?
Ya That was me
I was also not the “John” that called after this was read about how Cutler was a coach killer and they should not have traded orton cause all he did was win games….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Dunno
what happened…..PC went nuts….guess its excited about martz being OC…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
This post lacks context. You aren't comparing the offense before or after his arrival
at the respective teams. In addition, you are assuming Kitna=Cutler and JT O’Sullivan=Cutler. Pretty ridiculous.
The thing is
kitna and osullivan were the QBs that martz himself wanted…that is why they were signed by those teams the minute they were FA…..
You are right though about before and after I will look that up when I get back….Maybe they got better maybe not….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Kitna and O'Sullivan were the best available options on the market.
Who did they have at Detroit instead of Kitna or at SF instead of O’Sullivan? Martz just wanted someone who could comprehend the O.
And I’ll save you the trouble about the state of the offenses before Martz got there. In SF, they jumped from dead last to 22nd. In Detroit, they went from 28th the year before he got there to 22nd, then to 16th. That was the year that they started 6-2, mainly behind the offense. They were better with Martz.
I’m not saying he’s a savior. He’s a good, not great hire. A competent, proven option.
So if we follow the trend...
than the Bears will be 22nd in offense in Martz’s first year??
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Great...
Martz has accomplished nothing at all since his stint in St. Louis. Not only that, but he is a horrible fit for the Bears. We need blocking Tight Ends, and all we have is pass-catching Tight Ends. Also, Cutler will get sacked so much he will end up in a retirement home.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
Win win
Either it’s great and we have alot better team. Or it fails and Lovie and JA are fired. Win win. Can’t wait to see who we pick up in FA and the draft(the few picks we have). Preseason can’t come soon enough.
I really hope that
Lovie, Jay and/or JA sat down w/ Martz and said “look I get it, you’re an offensive genius, now instead of repeating what you’ve done forever and ever why don’t you utilize the run and the TEs more here in Chicago, or else!”
Also I guess we don’t have to worry about Forte getting overworked any more.
"My ficas tree could call plays better than Ron Turner." - My Dad
Reported on the score
that the Cutler Martz dinner went well and that Cutler said he would be fine with martz as OC….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I imagine
that much booze was drank, and several pictures were taken that caused Cutler to endorse Martz.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
According to boers and burnstein
martz and the steak dinner and Cutler had some type of pasta dish….with a salad…
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Was it an intimate fondue dinner?
or was it more mainly like Tennessee BBQ?
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
"manly"
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
And we were worried about getting play time for our WR's?
With DA and Bennet on the outside and Hester and Know in slots they will all get plenty of playing time, of course Hester/Knox will be getting tired from running go routes all game and wiht DA & Bennet running slants every time they are going to be tired of getting hit by the LB’s.
That’s not true!!! WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AHOLE!! Ok maybe your right but you gotta give a little something here for it to work. I don’t know what I’m going to do this is the worst thing I’ve ever read, this day could not get any worse. Fine, F*ck it, you’re right.
by Ditkavsworld
good job
i think this is a positive. I like martz and think he will do a good job with cutler and tice marinelli and lovie. GO BEARS ya know ,Cutler was instrumental in the hiring of these 2 guys. Tice and Martz
I think our recievers are a good fit
We have speed, speed, and some more speed. I think Forte will excel because he is a good reciever. Still don’t like Martz but we might be ok if Cutler doesn’t get killed. If Cutler doesn’t do well, Chicago can be where Qb’s go to die as well as Wr’s.
by Ryan21 on Feb 1, 2010 3:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not so fast
I think Martz may be a good pick. The reason I think so is that Cutler had a big influence. Cutler wanted Devin Aromashadu in their from the start. I bet the bears learned from that ,thats why he was so included in picking Martz.. I almost Guarantee it was Cutlers call.
I'm going to point out one of the mast amazing things that has happened.
The Lovie Smith Chicago Bears… who from day one, were filled with an inexperienced coaching staff made up of young coaches in first time roles, and guys from the college ranks, now have 3 former head coaches (Marinelli, Tice, Martz) on their coaching staff.
That’s an interesting reversal.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Just wish
they werent all fired HC who have not reached the same success in the past…..IMO a balance would have been nice….You know bringing in an “upcoming football mind” would be nice instead of the same old NFL retreads praying for one last chance….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Maybe if/when we fire Lovie we can hire him back as a DC
thus completing the circle of (coaching) life.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Greg Olsen
as a TE/WR hybrid i think he will do well in a Martz offense, allowing him to shift to outside pre-snap for a 3/4 WR set
Maybe having Martz in
will finally force him to groom himself into a good blocker.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe thats why they hired Tice eh
teach these the TEs to block cause they will not be running routes anymore….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
being the optimist I am
for some reason I am focused less on his inability to block and more on the advantage his speed and size will bring.
Bleh
optimist…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Martz will use Olsen.
But… don’t mistake Olsen with some of the premier TEs in the league. Olsen is possibly the 4th best TE in his own division. V Shiancoe, J Finley, and B Pettigrew are all better than Olsen.
Also, look at Martz’s offenses in the past. When you have guys like Bruce, Holt, M Faulk, R Williams and C Johnson to throw the ball to, there’s no room for a TE to catch passes.
Martz is a creative offensive mind, he’ll figure out who our playmakers are, and get the ball in their hands.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Feb 1, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So you like this move Sack?
I just do not see it….they just do not have the personnel to run his offense and turn it around in one year…No draft picks, not going to be much movement for FA according to most NFL “experts”….and its not like Lovie can beg and plead for another season…..
IMO everyone is gone at the end of 10….but I am not an “Optimist”…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
All I'm saying is...
After a circus show of a search, they ended up with an actual qualified, successful NFL coordinator, who wears a SB ring on his hand.
Should we ignore the contradictions and brainless actions of the 3 stooges at Halas Hall? No. But, at least they hired one of the leagues best offensive minds of the last decade.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Feb 1, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
I do agree they hired the more qualified OC but I do not think they hired the proper one IF they want to turn this around in one year….staying with a similar offense and getting a better play caller would of done more to save their jobs…..Was rogers that…dunno but now we will never know…
Its not like Lovie and company have more than one season….Learning a brand new system I do not see a winning season in 10….
Course now watch them turn into the 2001 Bears and win 13 games and be one and done thus saving Lovie for another 2 or 3 seasons…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Look no further than our own divison.
The Packers learned an entirely new defense, switching from the 4-3 to the 3-4, and finished the season with a top 5 defense that went to the playoffs.
So, anything’s possible. But, I still the the bears will screw it all up… because the decision makers stink at their jobs.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I predict....
Martz is a creative offensive mind, he’ll figure out who our playmakers are, and get the ball in their hands.
I predict: The wide receiver screen!
LOL
"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." ~Vince Lombardi
by Fire Ron Turner on Feb 1, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
i'm not disagreeing or saying Olsen is a great TE
but as a 3rd or 4th WR option he could be great… especially with Jay and he being BFFs, Olsen as the check down and not the primary on every single play can be dangerous
I agee SackMan
Martz is a creative offensive mind, he’ll figure out who our playmakers are, and get the ball in their hands.
The Bears, as contructed right now, are a better passing team than running team anyway. We have better pass blockers than run blockers (link). Forte is a weapon in the passing game; he’s just a mediocre rusher.
Martz is a better play caller than Turner, he’s a better game planner than Turner. He will emphasize the passing game. I like the move.
by Mike Mueller on Feb 1, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Four wide reciever sets with a mix of speed and possession recievers in the guys that we have, could be very tasty.
Forte’s versatile enough to work in Martz’ system. Beforehand I didn’t see a real need to get another running back,but I think it would only be an advantage in an offense like this.Maybe Bell is good enough?
You're being very Un-Dude right now.
by IslandBoodler87 on Feb 1, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
Olsen will never be a good blocker.
He is only a speedy pass-catching TE. Kellen Davis is a good blocker, though.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
All I know
is that martz had vernon davis he did not utilize him properly….martz leaves and now davis is an all pro…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Davis also got thrown out of a game by his head coach.
He was a douchebag problem child, who finally got his act together this year. Credit Singletary for putting an ass whooping on him.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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+1
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 2, 2010 7:20 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
I have the same hopes for Olsen. I would love to see that exact scenario. Bring in the other TE’s to block.
by CharlotteBear on Feb 1, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Okay Okay
But I hope we draw the Line on Lions rejects to this point. If we see that Dolt matt millen walking the sideline we are in trouble!
Well according to some
Angelo = Millen…..so….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
No, not really.
Angelo < Millen. I mean, Millen at least had that awesome mustache.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
Finally, we agree on something
I’ll even go as far as to say all Bears HCs should have manly ’taches in tribute to Da Coach. Oh, and wear his snazzy trademark Bears knitwear on the sidelines.
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by Ashley Czuba on Feb 2, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Holy cow...
Make that “wear” not “where”. Long day.
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by Ashley Czuba on Feb 2, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
The Bears Will..
have a winning season…They showed some good signs at the end of last season. I believe this hire only helps the team.
I will give him a shot
im worried about cutler getting sacked…..79 times thats really it i dont cutler to be run out of town because of martz
Why do you guys think Cutler is going to be sacked a gazillion times?
Martz never had a mobile QB to work with. Martz had pocket passers in Trent Green, Warner, Bulger, Kitna, etc.
Martz is such a creative mind, that I’m sure he’ll get Cutler out of the pocket, where he excels.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I'm no offensive Genius...
But I think I could adjust a play with a static 5-7 step drop to be used as a bootleg…
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Feb 1, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Well heres to hoping .........
……………… That your right . Martz has always played to the strengths of his teams so you never can tell .
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 1, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
One reason he wanted jt osullivan over alex smith
besides him being alex smith was that smith would move around/out of the pocket….osullivan would stay in the pocket and throw….
Hope he has learned but I guess we will see….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
as if you have a choice
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 2, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
High chance for disaster
Now, it’s not a given that this won’t work. But I think Martz will have to drastically alter his scheme to have success in Chicago. The personnel just doesn’t fit to do what he did in St. Louis (and tried to do in Detroit and SF).
Now, I respect Mike Martz as an offensive mind and I think that if he wants to design a schem that will work for our players, he can. I’m afraid that he won’t, because history has mostly shown him to be arrogant and resistant to change. But after the embarrasment of San Fran, maybe he’ll have a different attitude. It would help if the head coach steered him in that direction but I really don’t see Lovie forcing Martz’s hand on anything.
Baseline, I’m pessimistic, but I hold out hope. But it’s looking like we’re going to have a whole new coaching staff next season, AGAIN.
So much pessimism.....
SO far I have CALLED every move the Bears have made! If anyone’s paying attention to what I write, they can tell ya that Ive been consistent too… Only thing left is to get HERM in for DC, shore up that O-line and grab a DB. While I wouldnt mind seeing us make a play for a good WR too, I’m pretty confident in who we have… especially if Aromasudou is the reciever we saw at the end of the year… ALL YEAR!
GO BEARS!!!!
Sweet
can I have the power ball numbers….JK….
Any clue who the FA and draft picks will be? I mean besides throwing money at peppers….
dont think that herm will be DC….according to most it will be Marinilli….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
It is Do or Die for the stooges...
I think they will make bold moves in FA. They know if they don’t get a lot better, Jerry, Lovie and Big Foot are all gone. I would not be suprised to see us go after Peppers and an O line player. Sign LT if he is cut and go out shooting. It is better to go out blazing than like a " Lame Duck".
by Ryan21 on Feb 1, 2010 6:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That is what I would like to see
but they are the stooges because they don’t think we need to get much better, JA likes our “nucleus”
J Peppers
doesn’t want to go to another 4-3 team. he has said that multiple times. he wants to be in a 3-4 scheme. Kampman would come here before Peppers would
Makin' Copies
I wouldn't mind Herm...
He would remind everyone…“That you play to win the game!”
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Feb 1, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
HA HA....
If I knew the power ball numbers I woulda played them myself! LOL… I just thnk it’s funny that I’ve called it so far! To be hoest… I added the Herm Edwards idead AFTER we kept Lovie so it wasn’t a part of my Original guess, but still a guess none the less
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Feb 1, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Ah ya
You Play to Win the Game “Coaching Mix”…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Unless Martz can learn how to run the ball and play to the strengths of the team instead of doing what he wants.
Cutler is going to die from all of the 7 step drops.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
Hmmm
Is this what we finally need for a solid, creative offense? Or do I just have the feeling that Martz is going to go down in Bears history as another one of Lovie’s buddies that will come here, swallow a bunch of money, do a mediocre job at best, only to be replaced by someone else in a few years.
well, we're talking Bears of course
but apart from the Bulls’ recent hotstreak on the road they’re on a similar position if you ask me.
So our coaching staff is made up of .....
An old bald guy who wears knee high nylons, a huge bubble head with a #2 pencil attached to his ear, and the one guy who, if I read a headline that said “NFL Coach arrested as Serial Killer”, the first name I’d come up with is Mike Martz, and they’re being led by a man who’s facial expression hasn’t changed in the last 5 years no matter what the circumstances.
Should be a hell of year.
hm
With a complete off season, I think the Bears might have a breakthrough season. Mike Martz can only HELP this team. If all the players work at learning the new play book, we should be pretty damn good. On offense atleast, we got some sure talent. Who will be our DC and which players will have a good season.
Pretty soon we'll have Mike Sherman in as a RB Coach
and Good Ol’ Dick Jauron as the DC, that way its like 2003 all over again in the NFC North
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
by ThorCo on Feb 1, 2010 5:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't care if they dug up Lombardi's cold corpse to be an assistant coach
As long as it brings the Bears back to the playoffs…
I can’t understand why people are so down on ex-head coaches as assistants…Not that Sherman would be my top pick, but there are alot of bad head coaches that are/were excellent coordinators…Martz is a great example of that.
Maybe Lovie has finally realized that hiring no-name assistants that bow to his every notion isn’t working and maybe he needs “talented” coaches who actually have NFL experience, and know how to win…
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Feb 1, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not mad, its just kinda funny
I’m down for anyone that can help us out…I remain cautiously optimistic about this season.
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
All sorts of potential for disaster here.
There are already 3 former head coaches on staff not including Lovie (who will be a former soon) and the DC hasn’t been hired yet. Wonder if there has ever been that many NFL HC’s on any staff?
Heard Jim Miller on Sirius say Tice and Martz are polar opposites in terms of what they like to do offensively. Miller was very complimentary of Tice and said he would bring toughness and aggressiveness back to the offensive line, but said Martz likes to have his QB take deep drops and with the Bears Oline that could lead to disaster unless he alters his approach. Also said once he sees Cutler’s arm he will be even more inclined to have him take those deep drops and throw the 15-20 yards curls and outs. So a new offensive system for both the QB and his young receivers.
I see the Martz, Cutler, Tice egos combusting early and often with Uncle Lovie playing peace officer. Bleh!
pieces fit
while Martz’s Offensive philosophy conflicts with Bears-style football, which Lovie claims to endorse, our players do kinda’ match Martz’s style:
- RB excels at receiving
- lots of speed at WR (+ speed at TE with Olsen, who will essentially = a WR now)
- lots of WRs, period (hey, we might get to see Ilgacious on the field this year).
- QB with a strong arm
- O-line built more from pass-protection, than run-blocking (C. WIlliams, Omiyale [the guy is a Tackle playing Guard], Garza).
Yes, there are plenty of things that don’t allign perfectly with Martz’s style (field/weather conditions at Soldier Field, inaccurate QB who makes poor decisions [that doesn’t fit any style], HC who claims to get off the bus running the football [but then doesn’t run the football], . . .), but the personel is better suited for Martz’s pass attack then Lovie’s insincere desire to be a power running team.
Those WRs better work their a**ses off on things like sight adjustments, proper route
running, and learning the playbook…
I have no worries about Forte. He is going to rock and roll in this O.
Not so fast MHP...
1. These WRs do not run the proper routes. Knox still doesn’t get in front of the DBs when he runs the slant. hester rounds off his out and up moves. And many more.
2. DA and Bannett “go get the ball”, but none of the others do, even Olsen.
3. O-line is slow off the LOS and doesn’t hold their blocks well.
4. QB is NOT a pocket passer and has his best ratings outside the pocket and on the move.
Martz will have to do 3 things to make this work with the personnel he currently has:
1. Acknowledge that there is such a thing as a running game and use it.
2. Change his offense to incorporate Cutler’s strengths.
3. Stop being an ego maniacal dick!
I hope Martz has changed his ways, but I really do not see this season ending well. Iguess the FA/draft period will give us all some insight. Lastly, the biggest problem with this team is on defense. Let’s all hope Martz’s offense can put up big points, not just big yards. That might help the defense in kind.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
UPDATE
Cutler o.k.’d Martz as OC because of a “mickey” Martz slipped into his diabetic chocolate cake.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 5:53 PM CST reply actions
>^,,^<
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by Ashley Czuba on Feb 2, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Some for me...*gulp*
…and some for the 3rd and 22 draw play…OE splashes on the torn up sod of soldier field…
Sure hope they fix the O-line
otherwise Jay will be dead by week 3.
Not a fan, but whatevs. It was bound to happen. Hopefully they sign a new CBA and we can just fire everyone by week 10 and start over. Or something.
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hmm
think if martz can adapt a running game along being creative with cutler with different schemes the bears will be better..
on the d side urlacher, pisa and briggs and pretty dam good trio.. get a strong safety and hoepfuly make a run at the divisison title at least
They say a change is as good as a rest...
Listen, we’ve all watched a ton of sports in our lifetimes, and we see on a daily basis changes that occur on professional sports teams that are SUPPOSED to make the team Better (NH: Leafs/Flames Deal Yesterday). I like the Martz hiring. I do believe Culter will stop forcing the ball into tight spaces, that will have ample opportunity to get long balls down the field. I don’t worry that Cutler will turn into the Texan’s David Carr (who by the way is very service-able as a back up in NY) being sacked an exorbitant amount of times or throwing MORE INTs (if that’s possible).
I see the WR situation being Cutler’s biggest asset, and Olson will continue to grow. Forte will have a different kind of role for sure. And I TOTALLY AGree that a second RB is needed. For a Martz Offence…. I would love for LT to settle into a Peer Mentorship with Forte… maybe a 60 -40 split in carries (Forte 60). And a proven, vetern WR to mentor the young WRs. (Am I dreaming here?) . But with all the experience that this coaching staff has… don’t we havta be better??
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Feb 1, 2010 7:13 PM CST reply actions
I don't know why I'm uneasy about this hiring.
I hope everyone is right about Martz. I know he did a great job in St Louis and a good job in Detroit but I still have reservations about him. And no I can’t put a finger on it I’m just uneasy. Will hope for the best and that my fears are proven false.
I would like to go out on a limb and say,
I think that Martz is smart enough to know that this is his last chance in the NFL, so I think he will call games suited to our talent. We have lots of speed at WR. I think Olsen becomes more of a wideout. I’ve seen a lot of comments about Martz not using TE’s much, I bet Olsen has better numbers next season than he did this season. Too much talent and speed for a big man, he will be used. Forte will be used like M.Faulk was. I am not saying by any means that Forte is as good as Faulk, but his hands are just as good and he almost always has big yardage on well developed screens. Just hope our OL gets a lot better, that is our weakness…everyone knows that. Imo, Martz is better than RT, at least he is more creative. I can’t stand bland.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 7:51 PM CST reply actions
Martz in a nut-shell
As a Rams fan, I love Martz BUT he is different. First, you have to have the players to make his system work (true of all coaches). You will need Offensive linemen, you guys do not have any. Second, you need a QB that can think and be yelled at (hopefully he has an above average arm with a quick release and is willing to sit in the pocket and take the hit). Third, the really good news for you Bears fans, his passing system system is very easy to learn (the receivers are either X, Y or Z and the routes are 1 thru 9, if the QB calls X9 and you are the X receiver, you run the 9 route i.e. a go pattern). The running game is also important, but you need a running back that thinks like a QB or the QB. That is Martz in a nut-shell. The Bad New is you DO NOT have the players to make it to make it work, yet. Give it 2 to 3 years with good draft, no Martz involvement.
hmm
I think Martz may be a good pick. The reason I think so is that Cutler had a big influence.
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