Martz takes a call--Your Monday Night Martz Overflow Thread
by Kev H on Feb 1, 2010 6:54 PM CST
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PrintI know, I know, it's still sinking in for some of you.
Martz has been quite the hot topic for you guys today, and with good reason. Lots of potential, lots of room for error. It should, if nothing else, make for a very interesting season. Some of you are thinking that this means we're doomed, some of you are excited to see what throwing the ball can do. I think we can all agree--we're relieved they're doing something, even if it's not what all of us wanted.
The news is the talk of the town right now, even though the Bulls have pulled a road winning streak out of their rear, and the Blackhawks continue to dominate the NHL. Just goes to show you--these Bears live in all our hearts, good or bad.
Martz fielded some questions today from the press. Chicagobreakingsports.com brings you the full scoop. I'll bring you some highlights:
On the perception that he's not a great fit for the Bears because he likes to throw the ball:
"You know, (I'm) very pragmatic in the approach. And I think that you have to analyze your personnel, the circumstances and situation like Soldier Field, and look at what you have with the condition and then proceed from there.
On his meeting with Jay Cutler on Saturday in Nashville, Tenn.:
"It was even better than I anticipated. There was an instant connection. You know, that happened to me and Jon Kitna the first time I met him.
"This was really interesting because we just were on the same page in so many things. In fact, I really got excited. We were in a little classroom down there at Vanderbilt, and we were just kind of talking football. And he asked about special plays. I put a play up that was designed specifically for the Tampa Cover 2. I told him this is how we put it in, ran it through, hit a touchdown on it. He asked a question about that play, a wide-receiver split, that kind of just stopped me dead in my tracks. It just showed that he's so far ahead and on top of this type of thing, that veteran quarterbacks generally don't even asked that.
Neil Hayes over at the Sun-Times has some great quotes from the conference call as well. Some quotes below:
Martz also said he was excited about what he has seen from the Bears' receiving corps.
"There's plenty of talent there," he said. "I'm real excited about the speed."
Martz also said that although he hasn't used tight ends much in the past he sees Greg Olsen as a different breed of tight end who can create mismatches against linebackers and safeties in his scheme.
"Like all positions, you take a look at what you have and who they are and what they can do and go from there," he said.
"We'll be hitting on all cylinders on opening day," he said. "I promise you that. There is a lot of character in this group. ... They want to learn and that's the biggest part of it."
They went on to talk to Lovie Smith, who emphasized that both he and Jerry have been on the same page since Day 1. The need to emphasize this tells me that they weren't.
Jerry Angelo then goes on to emphasize the same, because apparently we didn't believe it when Lovie said it? (I didn't.) Then he makes the most obvious statement of the whole thing:
"We wanted to make a change and Mike Martz brings change to our coaching style."
No kidding, Mr. Angelo. We wait to see if that's good or bad.
And finally, Vermeil told ESPN today that hiring Martz was the best thing that the Bears could do:
"He's a brilliant football coach and a tough football coach, and it takes a tough-minded quarterback to handle the type of coaching he's going to get," Vermeil said, "but I'm sure you've got one there, and I think it's a positive.
"I think Mike will do a great job of working with Lovie Smith. They've done it before together, taking a team to the Super Bowl. Lovie Smith has made some good decision here in the past, this is probably his best one."
Keep your comments coming--we love 'em.
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kaplan, boers and burnstein seem
to think that this is the best move was to get the band back together….Because they are all gone at the end of 10….
BTW Lovie said that he wants his complete coaching staff assembled before the super bowl….so marinilli will probably be named DC by the end of the week considering that no names have popped up for an interview and Lovie has all his buddies on board now……
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Here's a scenario for you:
Bears offense thrives, but the defense sucks balls and we miss the playoffs again. Lovie gets fired, and Martz stays.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
As HC?
Na I think they clean house and cowher or who ever decides on if the offensive staff stays….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
yep, lol
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 2, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
The more I read
the more I like. At first I thought it was just eh, okay. But I’ve thought the whole time that the Bears offense has great speed, and I knew MArtz would love that. Everyone complained that he never used the TE. Maybe thats because he never had a TE! Now that he has one, he’s going to love to use him, especially in the mold of Greg Olsen. He his a smart football man, and just like any coach who wins a Super Bowl, he probably knows how to make adjustments. With the weapons we have, I think he will adjust well to it.
by Lweb23 on Feb 1, 2010 7:08 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
He had Vernon Davis.
And he’s been fired twice. And he was unemployed last season as far as coaching goes. But I do see a little Faulk in Forte’s ability to catch the ball out of the backfield and at least it won’t be predictable.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Vernon Davis
Was an underachieving scumbag until Singletary benched him and forced him to grow up.
by Rjt77 on Feb 1, 2010 7:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
According to a san fran writer that was on CTL
is that vernon davis was not doing much in either blocking or receiving….but credited martz of turning davis into a solid blocking TE by having him stay in and block on 250+ passing plays…..
BTW martz compared Olsen to ernie conwell a blocking TE from the rams past……and thinks Olsen can block well….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
My point was that
up until the point when Martz left SF, Davis had not yet stepped up so Martz had no reason to use him in the passing game. Olsen has already established himself as more of a receiving TE and I at least hope Martz would be willing to use all of his weapons.
That’s interesting he compared him to Ernie Conwell, I don’t see it.
Well
one thing that concerned me is that he compared him to conwell….guess we will see….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I was just saying the same thing..
Forte has as good of hands as Faulk and makes the most out of well developed screens. I can see that happening a lot. He will be more creative than Turner and I am all for that.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'm fine with that.
Forte is a good reciever, but I just want him to get less carries. I know we all blame the O-Line for his struggles, but all our other backs did well, albeit in a limited role.
Forte: 258 carries, 3.6 avg.
Bell: 40 carries, 5.5 avg.
Wolfe: 22 carries, 5.5 avg.
Peterson: 7 carries, 7.3 avg.
Is this coincidence, or is Forte just not that good?
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
Limited role
being the case I would say, just out of personal opinion. Much smaller sample sizes for the other three backs. Whose to say they would do any better than Forte given his same workload?
They definately had a limited role...
However, combined they totaled 69 carries and averaged 5.6 yards per rush. Still a small sample size, but keep in mind that this is three different guys.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
Bell had 80 yards on one friggin carry.
In such a small sample size… that skews the numbers big time.
And when Wolfe and Peterson carry the ball… a lot of it is on 3rd and long when the D is playing nickel. That’s why they average more ypc on such a small sample size.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Feb 1, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 2, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
Lets not Forget ...............
…….. that Forte was injured for most of this season . His rookie season he averaged 3.9 a carry with 315 carries . So Matt is a good back but injuries did slow him down along with a down right bad O-line .
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 1, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
3.9 nine is below average
"What are you doing Dragic?!"
Don't forget about the injury he had since the 3rd (?) game.
It will be interesting to see how he responds this year. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see him rotated out more with Bell on some pure running situations.
Also
don’t forget that Kevin Jones played for Martz with the Lions and is familiar with his system. Of course it’s a moot point if the poor guy can’t stay healthy.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Who knows what they are going to do...
as far as RB’s. Forte is a lock barring any pre-season injuries. Bell has a great chance of making the team as a back-up. When it comes to KJ, AP, and GW…who know’s what they’ll do. I was kind of hoping to see them sign CT. Imo, that would shore up the RB position. That would give us two RB’s with great hands and Bell as the back up. If that were to happen, I would be stoked.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 2, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Lets not forget.
When he was with the Rams,he had (brandon Manumonualldifhldifa’ru) =)
Nice phonetic spelling. That's EXACTLY how its pronounced!! :)
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Inquiring Minds
want to know if Vermeil happened to be crying during the interview or finished it up with a good sob, thus adding on to his world record for “public emotional breakdowns”.
I really enjoyed his responses
to the line of questions and he gave me a sense of optimism towards his control of the offense and the relationship between himself and Jay. I feel like we’re finally getting an OC that will install a stern sense of work ethic into the players and hold them accountable for exactly the type of product they place on the field. I like him and Mike Tice working together, I’m curious who we will see coming in as the QB coach and if they will hire a TE coach or not.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 7:31 PM CST reply actions
Zorn already signed w/ the Ravens
to be QB Coach….
by David in Maine on Feb 1, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
hired by the ravens
as their QB coach…..That would of been awesome though lol….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
HA HA....
I said that same thing… back when we hired tice… I said.. OK.. lets go get Martz and while were at it.. Herm Edwards for DC! LOL… What HC out theer that used to be a QB could we get so we can continue to stack former head coaches?
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Feb 2, 2010 6:06 AM CST up reply actions
Martz:
(Emphasis mine)
On whether he got impatient waiting for the opportunity after putting his name in the mix early in the process:
“Lovie (Smith) was very clear at the very beginning that this was going to take some time and he was going to go through it step-by-step. Still, that’s always difficult (to wait around). But he did it the right way, especially since I got the job.”
The man doesn’t lack confidence (or ego), that’s for sure.
I liked that cockiness actually.
When’s the last time we’ve had that in Halas Hall?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 1, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Well just finished reading the interview.
It seems like he is saying all the right things. Explaining away the Cutler comments, “Rod Marinelli and I are besties,” etc. Hopefully it lasts.
Lovie Smith
“Trust me.” After firing Chico…
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Yep
some people (especially hub) always harp on how egotistically Lovie is and yet does not know what he is doing…..hub will talk about that all day…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
OMG!
Did he actually say “we’ll go from there.”???!
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Man its comforting to hear that they are on the same page.
I think Cutler has respect for the man, that’s a good start.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 8:02 PM CST reply actions
Ooooh, some insight perhaps?
On how he might use the Bears’ receivers:
“Well, they’ve got some speed. And that really is kind of a diamond to me. When you look at that group, it could be a real strength of this football team. With (Devin) Aromashodu — I hope I pronounced it right. (Johnny) Knox is really a diamond to me. And Hester, with what he can do whether he’s outside or in the slot. The matchups on these guys are extreme.
Check it out- the first two names he mentions are DA and Knox. Then when he finally gets to Hester, he mentions him as a slot guy.
I must admit
the ice on my heart towards Martz will melt some if he has the stones to make Hester be our slot.
That will be interesting
considering that Lovie keeps on harping how Hester is “his #1 receiver”….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
See that's what I think will change now
There is no way Martz is going to play that political game of making Hester the #1 option if he doesn’t think so. I’m hoping he makes Hester the 3rd down back and 4th WR and use him like Reggie Bush. Move him around and get him carries and still use him in the passing game or split Forte out wide and have Hester in the backfield
I agree
hope he does that but wonder if he will “bend to Lovies” input….Like I said it will be interesting if nothing else….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Yeah I hear it was Angelo's idea
to sell Hester as a #1. Maybe that’s part of the reason he didn’t want Martz
Seems like whenever there is a bad decision made,
Angelo is always nearby. Coincidence?
Well Lovie
is not far behind IMO….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I have to say
I like Lovie. To me his biggest flaw is his loyalty. If not for his loyalty to Babich we me have been Turner free last season. That and every once in a while he needs to show some emotion. I get why he is so reserved, but sometimes players and coaches need to see a little fire.
I love fire.
Not a big Lovie fan. If he can get us a SB, then I will change my mind. That’s a pretty big If. Ya never know?
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
I was a fan of Lovies
up until this season when he failed to acknowledge that people had caught up to his defense and failing to adjust to that…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I always try to give him the benefit of the doubt,
He has been on a down slide with me since the SB. One of the worst called games I have ever seen. Should’ve kept pounding the rock.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
I put that on turner
not Lovie….
His unshakable will to stay with the cover 2 scheme with out putting new wrinkles into it is what really gets me going….
I would of loved fewell to come in and take over the defense since he was slowly moving away from the cover 2 are at least putting different looks into his cover 2….
now it will most like be marinilli as DC and nothing will change scheme wise….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
the more i read about Fewell,
the more I liked…I was disappointed as well.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
I’m all about the spittle slinging, profanity yelling type of head coach.
Lovie is the Bob Ross of head coaches.
This guy? :-D
Be honest, couldn’t you use a “Happy little tree” by a “happy little brook” in your life?
That painting
is what happened in Lovie’s head last season every time someone ripped off a TD on “his” defense.
Great picture though, I lol’ed
that's who I thought he was talking about...
right…hilarious!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
bust out a cane on the sideline,
I’m hearing ya.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Lmao..
just makes me want to go to sleep.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Ya
when ever I have trouble sleeping I put on some bob ross show and boom out like a light….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I have laughed so many times at this.
“Lovie has to be the Bob Ross of head coaches.” That is one of the best quotes I have ever seen on this site, no doubt.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 2, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
I think its his ego
mainly…I mean he pushed for babich to be his DC even though rivera was doing a good job (even stating “trust me” at the PC), pushed for archelta and pushed chris harris aside thus making Angelo trade him, hiring shea after martz gave him the recommendation, etc….I mean is firelovie.com still around cause I know there was tons of stuff there….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Simple,
if it’s not broke, don’t fix it.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I agree he's made some bad decisions
I’ve been back and forth on this for a while. I just always go back to him taking us to the super bowl and think maybe if he gets all his guys in place and if the team can stay healthy just maybe he can finish it this time. Guess I just haven’t completely given up on him yet. Maybe I’m too loyal
by Rjt77 on Feb 1, 2010 9:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't get me wrong,
I want him to succeed because I am a die hard fan. I dont have to like his style, just take us to the big dance or get someone who will.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Knowing Martz's rep, you gotta think he won't compromise on some things.
Martz: “Want me to run the ball more to chew up the clock, fine. But don’t tell me how to create my packages or where to put my personnel!”
It would remind me of Ditka/Buddy if Martz and Lovie weren’t buddies.
Well martz
has been known to speak his mind…one (of many) reason(s) he and singletary did not see eye to eye that lead to singletary firing him at the end of 08….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Do you think
Martz got the bare-assed Singletary speech before he fired him?
God I want Mike to be our HC…
From watching CTL
and reading some articles singletary and martz got into it on more than one occasion….martz even got into verbal shouting matches with the offensive personnel (coaches and players)….
Like I said it will be interesting….I mean this is most likely martz last chance in the NFL in terms of coaching….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
The other thing to think about is that Lovie and Martz coexisted before at STL.
You have to think there is both a level of respect there, and maybe an appreciation on Martz’s part for Lovie helping him get back in the NFL.
True
but lets say they name marinilli DC do you think that level of respect is there between them considering marinilli fired martz for not having a balanced offense?
Who knows maybe its 85 again where the coaches did not get along and the Bears go back to the Super Bowl….
Bears will be like reality TV especially if they start off slow…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Easy Fix
make them both get restraining orders on the other and have them coach at opposite ends of the side line.
Awesome....
awesome….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
OMG
I wanna see Bears on season 2 of Hard Knocks so bad. Man i’m salivating thinking about it, make it happen HBO!
by Chitownproduct on Feb 2, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't it be season 3?
I think the first was Dallas and then Cincinatti
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 2, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
That would be awesome...
but it would be season #3
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Feb 2, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't they do it in KC too?
Or is that something else I’m thinking of?
is that show even good?
Seen commercials about it, but if the Bears got it then it would be my first season watching it.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 3, 2010 2:26 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, this could be an opportunity to let the politics slide.
It always feels like Lovie boxes himself in with statements and gameplay. It’s like he mentioned once that DH is his #1, so he stuck to it no matter what. But now that they have a new OC, it could give Lovie the chance to say “Mike is exploring ways to best utilize our players” and absolve himself of all the other nonsense.
They will most certainly be way better than..
last season. I feel confident saying that. If they suck, we have a lot of change to look forward to. Either way, it’s going to be exciting. I think they go out with a bang if its the latter.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
I could care less where he plays
just so long as he’s making impact plays.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Jim Harbaugh!!! Has anyone asked him to come back
to the Bears?
Gayle Sayers!! Richard Dent! Dave Duerson!! JIM MCMAHON!!!!!!!!!
Bring them all back as consultants/coaches for the Bears. Maybe the “magic juju” of the 80’s will rub off on everyone. Harbaugh is just beginning to prove himself as a good college coach. Let’s hold off anointing every past Bear player as some type of coaching genius. And quit asking for Donovan McNabb or Mark Bulger. The rant’s getting old.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Gary Fencik, Stan Thomas, Alonzo Spellman
as well!!!!
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Whoa, whoa, whoa....
Spellman? And his band of invisible enemies? Maybe medicated….
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I think
Spellman would make a great d line coach with his delusions….make everyone paranoid to preform better…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
What I wouldn't give
to see Steve “Mongo” McMichael come out with a steel chair and lay Lovie out, then pin him with JA counting, and take over the HC job for the Bears with JA raising his hand in victory.
Mongo was a big part of me growing up
I used to watch the NBC nightly news religiously just to see him torture Marc Giangreco.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 2, 2010 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
I think Harbaugh would be a better coach than lovie.
I think Ditka is a good coach too. We never gave Singletary a chance, too bad. Forget Cowher or Gruden, we can develop our own coaches.
Based on what exactly?
Are we talking about Jim Harbaugh? Former QB for the Bears? What makes you think he’d be a good HC? Name recognition? Develop our own coaches? In our coaching school or just take former players and hope that translates?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Jim Harbaugh
is doing a good job at Stanford, and will get an NFL gig as soon as he wants one
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 2, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
But as an HC?
Now? Really? Stanford ain’t the NFL and I don’t want the Bears diving into relatively unproven territory. Personally I’d take Cowher or Gruden over Harbaugh any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Harbaugh for OC? Sure, but HC? More seasoning please. And I know the Raiders were interested in Jim as a HC but that kinda proves my point.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Umm, I don't think McKaskey will pay for Cowher or Gruden
they are somewhat Cheap. Former players have worked out well for us as coaches, like Ditka, Rivera, Singletary. Harbaugh was the last best consistent starting QB, he was under-appreciated. His brother is doing well in Baltimore, we can’t let Jim get away from us!
Jcrew, you are not a quitter and..
I have to give you that. I actually like some of your idea’s, but at this point, just not reality.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 2, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Look at it this way folks...
In less than one year the Chicago Bears have gone out and got a franchise QB, one of the most experienced o-line coaches in the NFL and one of the most brilliant offensive architects this side of Bill Walsh.
This is how we have to look at this thing. I know Lovie staying has pissed a lot of fans off but slowly and subtly, the Bears are actually building a foundation on the offensive side of the ball.
Wont mean much
if they can not turn it around in one year and they are all fired….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Yeah but are the other options?
Besides isn’t Lovie on a 2 year deal?
Yep
but do you think that Lovie will survive if they dont make the playoffs ?…..Most say no…but I guess it wouldnt surprise me that he could convince mccaskeys to stay one more year due to a brand new offense….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Yeah I think he's gone if he doesn't go 10-6
I actually think he may if things go right
What if hes
9-7 and makes the playoffs…..Think he will stay….I do IMO….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Even @ 9-7 ?
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I agree
First round playoff loss will get him his last year barring a CBA lockout, but if he wins at least 1 playoff game he will probably get an extension.
Lets face it, 1 playoff win at least would be huge for us.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 2, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
Let's really face it
One playoff appearance would be HUGE for us!!!
Unreasonable people make life difficult...
by WisBearsFan34 on Feb 2, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
bah
messed up there….
If Lovie makes the playoffs he is safe for another 2 to 3 seasons….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I am slowly conceding
my pessimistic stance to the line between optimist and pessimist. I guess there are contingencies as to where I stand on this.
As long as Martz NEVER touches a position in this franchise to make decisions about our defense, I could see this as maybe working.
My greatest fear is that Lovie gets fired, and the offense does well enough to where they think Martz would be a good fit for HC. He already has his foot in the door being our OC now, to think this scenario could never happen shows no foresight.
…And Sackman pretty much just posted what I was writing while I was writing it…but at least we are on the same page with thought process!
I don't think that will happen, and here's why:
If the rumors are to be believed, Lovie wanted Martz from the get-go. It was members of the McCaskey family that didn’t want him at all. Those members were at least influential enough to get a hiring process started looking at people not named Martz. Now, if Lovie gets fired, I think those parts of the family will prevail in at least keeping Martz from becoming HC.
Especially if there are some good names out there, or a hot coordinator that comes cheap.
I suppose
although I’ll probably still be very apprehensive until the next HC is named, whenever that will be. Until I see Virginia McCaskey swatting Martz with her purse I will always worry.
LOL
nice image….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I am with you.
I haven’t had anything positive to say in a long time on WCG. Now I am giddy that we have a competent OC. Who knows, maybe we’ll have a good draft as well? Or is that too much to ask?
That might be going a little far.
Here’s to hope. : )
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Some guys
thrive on that “in your face” and “get fired up” coaching. I am personally a big fan of it myself. Lovie just isn’t ever going to be that type of coach.
Lovie is the Bob Ross of head coaches.
hrm
don’t know why this posted down here…
reloaded the page and put the comment up there where it belonged…
my apologies.
thats cool...
I was thinking your reply was further up the page.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
well, I'm scared and who has a stretcher?
Sxrew that the bears suck, next. GO BLACKHAWKS! Spring training starts in February and Arena Football is coming back too. YAY!!!!!!!!!
Another note
is that Lovie mentioned at the TC is that Tice would have input into the offense…..Course boers and burnstein, the afternoon saloon and CTL ripped Lovie for that like martz would listen to Tice or something along those lines….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
I think meat head Tice could take him?
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
INSIDE A STEEL CAGE!!!
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
UFC: 120
Tice has got Martz by his ego, locks it in…and we have a tap. By the way, I like the arrogance Martz brings to the table. He will have to back it up or he will be gone like the rest.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
SUNDAY, SUNDAY, SUNDAY...
…except maybe, just possibly it could be…
MONDAY, MONDAY, MONDAY…night
Free Slim Jims for the kids!
Yeah right
After the way the Bears imploded on prime time last year we’ll be lucky if we get a single Monday night game the next season.
After the loss to the Dolphins the '85 SB year,
I have not been a big fan of us playing on Monday night.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 1, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Remember the Dolphins on Monday Night Football
In Soldier Field where we wore the Black Tops and Black bottoms( a uniform i use on Madden all the time) where Ricky Williams proceeded to rush for 216 yards on us. Yeah, MNF hasn’t been too kind to us in the past.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 2, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
Except for one of the greatest Bears games of all time
the Monday Night Miracle against the Cardinals in 06’.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 2, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
I was thinking of that game..
when I was typing my comment. That was one hell of a game, still don’t care for Monday night games for us too much. But you are right.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 2, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
The Bears actually have weapons, contrary to popular belief
They just have not been popularly utilized so far. Just look at what happened to Devin Aromashodu. He practically exploded in the final four games of the season after 12 games of being a scratch or riding the bench. Matt Forte had a great rookie season but he struggled with a poor O-line in front of him before the O-line got itself together in the final couple of games. Kalim Bell showed more promise than Garrett Wolfe ever did in the few games Bell got to play. Devin Hester played best when he was in the slot, which was rare. Johnny Knox showed talent at being the speed guy, Earl Bennett showed off signs of being a competent #2. And Cutler, when he had his head on straight, could play quite well, like the Vikings game on Monday night after the Bears were eliminated.
Basically, the pieces are there, they just need a coordinator to slam everybody’s heads together with a system that suits them. Mike Martz’s system, however complicated it is, could suit the roster pretty well in every aspect except the O-line. I definitely see the Bears digging for O-line personnel in the draft and free agency because Cutler is going to taste grass/turf 50% of every dropback unless the line can hold. They might chase after a wide receiver too. Who says they won’t go after Brandon Marshall and reunite the Cutler/Marshall combo? Denver just wants to be rid of the guy.
I agree with most of this
they do have talent on the offense…..However do they have the offensive line to run what martz normally runs….the suntimes mentioned that the RT has to be as good a LT….the o line gave up 34 sacks this season and martz led offense has averaged 54.5 sacks since 05….IMO they have to replace garza, schaffer, and omiyale (though omiyale could play RT only he stated at the end of the season he did not want to move)….and the Bears do not have the draft picks and there will be very few o line FA that will hit the market because of the CBA….so where are the Bears going to find this infusion of talent….
as for marshall the broncos will tender him with most likely a 1st round pick which the Bears do not have…..so I do not see that happening…..but I guess anything can happen….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
Oh joy
the suspense was killing me.
"Why does Jay Cutler look so bad running these awful plays behind an incompetent offensive line?" - VeryFakeAlDavis
Looks promising
Although it won’t mean anything if they don’t fill some holes on offense via free-agency. Namely, RT, C/G, and backup RB. Does Martz’s arrival mean Dez Clark will be resigned? They certainly need a good blocking TE just in case!
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Did you know
via Wikapedia which is then via Dez’s blog:
“When Clark was 12 years old, he saved a cat from being run over by a car by diving into a street, grabbing it, and getting out of the way. Clark has often pointed to this point in his life as the inspiration for joining the NFL.”
Clark lives to protect things, namely cats and franchise quarterbacks…we must sign him.
That's an awesome story
It definitely belongs in an inspirational sports movie.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Awww....
he saved it! :] That made my day.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Feb 2, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the potential this offense brings won't come close to realization without
filling some of the holes you mentioned. I do think that Bell can do well as a backup RB though, but I’m worried about the line.
Also, look for Martz to bring in a WR familiar with his offense as well as dropping Basenez in favor of someone to help teach.
For this reason there might be a catch 22 situation with Pace. He might want him here to ease the transition, but then who do you cut when/if you bring in line help?
I think he's gone
but it makes some sense though. Pace did pretty well in pass-blocking; it was his horrible run-blocking that caused him to lose his job.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
I thought it was the other way around
his pass blocking was poor and his run blocking is decent….
I can see pace staying now to “ease the transition”….
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Feb 1, 2010 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
From what I saw
his run-blocking was pretty bad. The Bears O-line rated much better in the passing game according to FO.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
The entire offense was poor at Run blocking.
The best run blocker we have is Dez Clark. That’s a joke.
We were successful in 2006 because Clark, Berrian, and Muhammed were very willing blockers downfield, and the line (featuring Ruben Brown) wasn’t over the hill yet.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I believe Garza was rated as their best
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
In my book... Ruben Brown was the man that made that powered that run game.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Oh, I agree.
I meant the past two seasons.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Your'e right
From the offensive line breakdown post that was up a while back, Garza’s side of the line averaged the most, over 4 yards i believe.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 2, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
I thought Clark
was signed until 2011…..
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."
- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season
by CloudyFuture on Feb 1, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
You are correct, sir.
Dez’s contract.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Terry Shea part II
Haven’t we already tried this offense??? Maybe we can hire Jonathan Quinn to be QB coach.
Let's not compare Terry Shea to Mike Martz
It’s like comparing a Yugo to an Audi. Hey they’re both cars, right?
I hear what you are saying
The coaches and players are totally different from ’04. But it bothers me that we are going to use that playbook again.
Some quick numbers via Biggs
I didn’t realize this before, but Martz did a pretty darn good job with bad personnel in San Fran.
Martz has 17 years of NFL coaching experience, including six as a head coach and four as an offensive coordinator. Martz most recently worked as offensive coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers in 2008. In San Francisco, Martz improved a passing offense that ranked last in the NFL a year earlier to 13th in 2008. The 49ers also improved in total yards per game (32nd to 23rd), yards per play (32nd to 18th) and points per game (32nd to 22nd).
So much for doing poorly in the city by the bay.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
And that was with total garbage to work with except for Frank Gore.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Yes...
and the team with Frank Gore went from 27th best in rushing in 2007 to 27th in rushing in 2008. The passing game got better and scoring went from 32nd to 22nd. Kinda mixed results. BTW, not really anywhere to go but up from 32nd anyway. I hope Martz can assemble a better offense than the 2009 Bears. My bet is that he does. It will be about as good as he did in SF or DET; 5-10 positions higher. The biggest problem with the Bears is still the defense. If things go poorly for the Bears, Martz will be the instigator of more than his fair share of trouble. If you thought Cutler was moody and brash, get ready for Martz; he’s TO level of divisive.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I have followed your reasoning to not hire Martz quite closely.
You have always had valid reasoning with your arguments towards not hiring him as our new OC. I wasn’t sold on him until here recently when I thought about our former OC, who I couldn’t stand, and a couple of coaches that were in the mix for possible interviews. Turner’s play calling was so bland and predictable, that I welcome in someone who is at the very least creative. Just think of Shoop and the WR screens that we use to endure, boy those were good times…lol. At least Martz has started off on a good note with his meeting with Jay, and now I just hope, he adjusts to what has worked for him in the past and what hasn’t. Work with the strengths of our personnel and do not become one dimensional. I truly feel that if he dials it down a notch and becomes a little more balanced with the run, we will be highly successful. I couldn’t agree with you more about our defense. We didn’t have to even worry so much about our offense three years ago because our defense was so tough. Here’s to getting back to that somehow…someway.
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 2, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
I will not ever say that Martz...
is a bad coach or that he doesn’t know what he is doing. He does have a record of success that is well documented and attributes to him favorably. My concern is more about how he fits within the overall coaching staff and Lovie’s philosophy. I do like the analogy he has to Terrell Owens. Both are infinitely gifted at their respective roles, but when people start to scrutinize them in public, they lash out disproportionately. Since I see Lovie making a train wreck of the defense yet again in 2010, I worry that the positives of having Martz will be lost to these failures. Thus, I believe the likelihood of the of a messy end to Lovie’s career with the Bears make be made worse by having Martz around. My greatest concern is that Cutler and some other offensive core players will bear the brunt of the meltdown. Nonetheless, I do believe Martz can turn this offense into a weapon. Just don’t ever let him take on the HC role; it would be a disaster!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
field turf and MM
If Mike Martz can make enough Field Turf fly out of his butt to replace the sod in Soldier Field, then I am all for him being OC.
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
Good video
It reminded me of this one for some reason.
"But it doesn't matter what I do, what I choose. I'm what's wrong. This is fate" - Dexter season 4....I mean Lovie season 6.
Our offense has the potential to be offensive
with Martz at the helm. Let’s see how many of you go left and how many go right… and who goes up the middle for a sack.
Offensive…..(god I love a good word problem).
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Feb 1, 2010 11:33 PM CST reply actions
Ugh you guys are getting me to do something I never thought I would
Warm up to Mike Martz as our OC…I’m still not sold but the more I read the more I am getting OK with it. Maybe he can do some good things.
I’m still not completely happy but I think that it will either work out well or very bad.
Right now I’m feeling either 10-6 or 6-10 w/ not much room in between….
"My ficas tree could call plays better than Ron Turner." - My Dad
by Sam Householder on Feb 2, 2010 12:49 AM CST reply actions
Yeah, don't see the offense being just "okay" next season
Martz will either really click or flame out spectacularly. Should be fun to watch either way.
Completely agree
I honestly think this will be a “Top 5” or “Bottom 5” offense in 2010.
I have a dream
The chin and Rivera standing side by side sporting blue and orange next year smiling as there new 5 man d front crashes down on opposing QB’s..
If you live in Chicago you are a bears fan, if you move from chicago you stay a bears fan, if you move to chicago you will be a bears fan.
If next season is a failure,
that would be the best dream possible!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 2, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
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