Chicago Bears Roster Turnover: Defensive Backs
When looking at all the position groups so far, there could be a debate as to what needs to be done moving towards 2010. Some think the young Bears wide outs will be OK, while others want a legit #1 brought in; some are guessing the offensive line will be all right with another season to gel, while others demand some free agent replacements, and some want a big splash made at DE while others like the group they have. All good healthy debates.
But, in regards to the secondary, particularly free safety, there is no questioning the Bears need to find an actual free safety. No more talk of converting a strong safety or a corner, and no more square pegs in round holes (to steal a Jerry Angelo favorite saying). Identify a FS or two either through draft or free agency and aggressively target him. I wonder if the Bears are thinking what could have been had they signed Darren Sharper last off-season?
DEFENSIVE BACKS - As I just mentioned, I think free safety should be a priority. I wasn't as ecstatic as some fans with the play of rookie Al Afalava. I though he showed promise, but promise as a strong safety. And I wasn't as down on Kevin Payne as a lot of you were. He's has some upside, I just see him as a strong safety type as well. The Bears didn't really have a free safety on the roster (yes I know Josh Bullocks has experience at FS, he's just not that good). At corner I think they like what they have, and I tend to agree, but I do expect some changes.
Charles Tillman - Signed through 2012 - First off, let's get this out of the way. Charles Tillman is not moving to free safety. He's the best corner on the roster. He's been their best cover guy, and he'll continue to be their best cover guy. He plays hurt, he's physical, he's a solid tackler (he does go for the strip a bit more than I'd like, but that's his thing so...), he's good in zone, and when asked to man up on a receiver he comes through. He's not a lock down corner, but as mentioned on this site there are only 2 in the league, but he's a great fit for what the Bears do defensively.
Zackary Bowman - Signed through 2011 - Bowman really opened a lot of eyes in 2009. He improved as the season progressed and is someone the Bears are expecting good things from. I see no reason why he isn't starting along side Tillman again in 2010.
Nathan Vasher - Signed through 2012 - Here's what Vasher is due; next year, $2.95 million, in 2011 he's due $3.45 million, and in 2012 it jumps to $3.7 million. Is there any way he isn't cut? I don't even think he's the 3rd corner on the roster anymore. His dalliance with free safety didn't work either. He had a nice run, he got paid, but it's time to move on.
Corey Graham - Signed through 2010 - What happened to Graham? After having what I thought was a very solid 2008, he kind of fell out of favor in 2009. He was moved to free safety for a bit, then moved back to corner, but he didn't really do anything impactful all season. He is a good special teams player and as the 3rd or 4th corner his place seems secure for 2010.
D.J. Moore - Signed through 2012 - I really though Moore had the skill set to get some meaningful playing time in '09. When he slipped to the Bears in the draft I thought they had a guy that would challenge to start opposite Tillman some day. That day still could come, and maybe year two will see him make the same kind of improvement as Bowman did. I think he'll be around next year.
Woodny Turenne - Contract undisclosed - I think Turenne is an exclusive rights free agent, and I expect him to be in camp for 2010. He has good size and speed, andhe's a nice project to have around. His roster spot is far from a sure thing, but he should be able to prove himself on the field.
Al Afalava - Signed through 2012 - Whether at free safety or strong safety I thought Afalava played OKas a rookie. I'm not ready to anoint him as anything more than a player with some upside at this point. And I'd rather he not play FS next year. Most players make their biggest jump in productivity from year 1 to year 2, so hopefully he'll make strides in 2010 and take control of the SS position.
Kevin Payne - Signed through 2010 - Payne saw his numbers decrease across the board last year. Here's another guy that has seen time at FS and SS, but he's a better fit at SS. I like him as a player and I think he could grow into a limited (i.e. reserve) role at FS. His ability to play both safety spots and special teams should keep him around in 2010.
Craig Steltz - Signed through 2011 - The Bears just have too many strong safeties on the roster. If the Bears address free safety in the off-season (as I expect them to do) Steltz could get caught up in a numbers crunch and end up released.
Danieal Manning - Restricted free agent - I wonder if they are finally just going to leave Manning alone at nickle-back? He seems to be a good fit there. He has the speed to play free safety, he's just never been able to lock the spot down. Maybe if he weren't shuffled around from safety, to corner, to nickle-back, and back a few times he would have been the "guy". If by some crazy way the CBA is agreed upon, Manning would be an unrestricted FA, but as it stands now I think he'll be back.
Josh Bullocks - Restricted free agent - Bullocks in in the same boat as Manning, if the CBA gets done, he'll be unrestricted. But either way I don't see him returning.
2010 DB OUTLOOK - I would not be surprised to see the Bears target a free safety in the draft and in free agency. Because even with as much as Lovie Smith claims the safety position is interchangeable in his system, it's clear no one on the roster has had any success at free safety. I'd expect the Bears to draft a corner at some point as well.
Of the posible free agents the Bears could pursue, Darren Sharper will be available, again. He'll no doubt want multiple years, but at 34 years old is he worth the investment? Does the Steelers Ryan Clark do anything for you? There aren't very many unrestricted FS's on the market, many that are very good that is. And I don't see the Bears making a play for any restricted free agents. But for arguments sake, here are a few restricted players out there; Nick Collins of Green Bay, O.J. Atogwe of the Rams, and Antoine Bethea (who has played free safety in the past) of the Colts.
The Bears should look to draft a FS, maybe even with their top pick (3rd round). Popular WCG topic Kam Chancellor is an intriguing prospect. At 6'3" 232, he has the build of a strong safety (or even a Tampa 2 linebacker), but according to the scouting reports I read he did play FS his last two years at Virginia Tech. Opinions vary to his draft status (at least one WCG reader thinks he's the bee's knees), with NFLDraftscout.com listing him as a 3rd-4th round pick (with the arrow pointing up), WalterFootball.com (as of their mid January rankings) has him as with 7th round-FA potential, NFLDraftDog.com has him as a 5th rounder, and DraftSite.com has him as a 4th rounder. He is listed as a potential 2nd rounder by CollegeFootballNews.com, but that's at strong safety... But, wouldn't that make him more attractive to the Bears since they seem to always draft a SS then try to make him a FS...
I'll get into more specific draft weekend targets at a later date, but it's a sure bet free safety will be a high priority in the Bears War Room.
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Go completely revolutionary
and move Urlacher to free safety. In the cover 2 he practically plays the position anyway. At least we’d see some absolutely crushing hits in the secondary.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
you forgot to use the sarcasm font
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 11, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Or the FAIL font
Do you really believe Urlacher has the speed to keep up with 4.3-40 WRs?
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
When Urlacher was drafted many people projected him as a safety.
He also played tight end.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Correct
That was ten years ago when he had youth on his side. Plus, he’s like 255 lbs. Not exactly ideal weight for a cover-2 safety.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Yeah but he'd crush receivers like coke cans.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
if he could catch up to them ... which he won't
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 12, 2010 7:57 AM CST up reply actions
Lol. If you check my name/avatar, you see I'm a UNM alum like Urlacher.
I watched his college career while I was in high school in Albuquerque. Believe it or not, he came to the Lobos as a WR.
The reason people projected him as a safety is because he played a key hybrid position in the UNM D called the “Lobo Back” What is that? The biggest, fastest, most athletic guy with a nose for the ball was allowed to roam the field making tackles. Sound familiar?
And yes, he also played TE in goal line situations, as well as FB, as well as anywhere the coaches could get him to play. He was a BEAST!
I remember being so happy when he was drafted by my beloved Bears…
how many years ago?????
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 12, 2010 7:57 AM CST up reply actions
i wonder why
graham fell into the proverbial doghouse last season. i thought he did an above-average job during 2008. i wouldn’t mind seeing the bears use their top pick to get a FREE safety. although like you said, they will probably get another ss and try to convert the poor guy.
My theory on Graham
Lovie asked him to move from corner to FS. Graham wasn’t comfortable with it and/or didn’t like it.
So Lovie made an example of him… and put him on the bench.
quite unfortunate
if that is the case. i hope he mows lovie’s lawn a lot or does other go-fer errands to get back in lovie’s good graces. i don’t see him as any better than the other 234532 guys they trotted out for fs in recent memory though so hopefully he can bake a mean cake and get back to #3 corner or something
by reefermadness3 on Feb 11, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
lol
Hopefully he stays at corner… But with Lovie, who knows?!?!
I still...
hate Lovie for this one. I think Graham has all the physical tools to be a good cover-2 CB. He just needs some REAL coaching. Hoke and Smith are just bad at picking and developing talent! What a waste. I’m certain Graham will catch on on another team and play lights out. Stupid ass arrogant Lovie…now I’m all mad.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
LOL... It's Friday Dog!!!
Shake it off! Rub some dirt on it.
This is what happens
When DMS is not caught in its early stages
Restricted free agents will be next to impossible to acquire
Any player that is even decent will be tendered in 1 of 3 ways:
This is for 4 NFL seasons accrued (values are a little lower for 3 season and slightly higher for 5 seasons):
Second-round tender: $1,759,000
First-round tender: $2,521,000
First & third round tender: $3,168,000
1.759 million isn’t a lot of money for an elite safety (or elite anything for that matter). These guys will at least get that amount of a tender offer from their teams. Even if the Bears offer these guys 100 million in salary we do NOT have a 2nd round pick to compensate the team that is losing out on their own player.
Simply put, there is very little chance that any restricted free agents will be coming to the Bears. By giving away our 2nd round pick, Angelo shut the door on this area of free agency.
yep...
I just don’t see much movement with the restricted players this year
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
This is the worst
possible year not to have high draft picks. The Bears are screwed if they don’t target UFAs at DE, RT, and FS.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Where's No It All!?!?!?!!/
He needs to be here immediately! He’s gonna pee his pants!
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My initial response was to this was to post a video about depends or adult diapers. The sheer volume of videos turned up by my search of that topic has me rather discouraged as to the fate of our species.
Hahahahaha :-D
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I said last year...
That the Bear’s top priority in the draft was to get a real safety. Though I wasn’t unhappy with the picks we made (when you’re drafting so low you can only do so much), I had an uncomfortable feeling at the time that the lack of a real safety was going to reach up and bite us.
And it indeed did.
I was hoping we would go after Rashad Johnson from the Crimson Tide. The Cardinals took him, I think; he killed off an attempted comeback by the Lions in the regular season with a last-gasp interception. In the meantime, neither of our 3rd round picks did anything noteworthy all season.
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I don't know how you can't say
that FS isn’t our #1 priority, a lot of other positions can be filled with adequete/stopgap players. if your FS and secondary is lacking, your game sucks, and that’s the bottom line.
OJ Atogwe would be great, Nick Collins i think would be second best, otherwise Chancellor sounds like a monster
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by BearNecessities on Feb 11, 2010 9:48 AM CST reply actions
Because #54 is back.
Last season just showed how important Urlacher is to the Bears D. With him healthy it tends to make the rest of the defense better. That being said, we can use a free safety, another CB because outside of Tillman the other corners can be replaced.
i think a good pass rush will make the secondary
look a lot better.
I agree
But I’d still like to see an actual FS on the roster
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
FS is of high importance
I voted for it, but would’ve normally put DE ahead for obvious reasons. It may not matter who we have back there if the rush is mediocre again.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
let's get the fs from the colts
I agree it is a critical position but I think we need to build the Oline even more with our investment back at QB.
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When I was reading this,
all I could think of was all the bold and italics you used, and it made me laugh. You do use them quite frequently. But no biggie. The end. LOL.
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Im going to say yes..
but I also think a lockdown DE and a solid LG are very close behind a FS
DE, then FS
# 1 need = pass rush —> free-agent DE
#2 need = Free-safety
If we can address both of those needs, then it will be a solid offseason.
Yes, an OG or RT would be nice, but I’m much more concerned about the D.
by MakeHalasProud on Feb 11, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions
agreed
if you improve the pass rush, you will improve the coverage. To paraphrase St Buddy of Ryan, a QB cannot complete a pass from his back. Getting a pass rushing DE is a bigger need than a FS.
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 12, 2010 8:00 AM CST up reply actions
What?
No faith in Mark Anderson “taking a step up” and Tommie Harris coming back 100% in Pro Bowl form? ;)
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 12, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm a glass half empty kinda guy I guess
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 13, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
My top needs
1.Guard I started the Logan Mankins fan club a while back lol
2.FS- we need a hitter/ballhawk
3.DE/DT- Does Ogun come back? Can harrison or gilbert be the other tackle along side Tommie?
4. RB- NOT A STARTER! We need someone effective to spell forte, preferably a burner.
5. Corner- It would be nice to have another decent guy in the mix
6. FB- we need more of an athletic type
No to FB, and yes to RT.
McKie is good enough, and with Martz’s offense I don’t think there’s a great need. I think RT is of higher importance than LG, which would be the only spot feasibly open on the line besides RT. I don’t think Omi is going anywhere though. Everything else I’d agree with! Just for shits and giggles here’s my top-5 needs.
1. RT- Martz’s system puts an ton of pressure on the ends.
2. DE- Lovie’s defense needs a monster pass-rusher.
3. FS- Don’t need to ellaborate here.
4. RB- A speedster is needed to loosen up opposing defenses.
5. CB- Tillman and Bowman are both injury prone.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
+1
I’m a big believer in a good line on both sides of the ball.
1. DE Pressure from the line is key to this and any D. The safety’s job becomes much easier if we get a great DE. We should make a big splash on Peppers, assuming he isn’t franchised.
2. RT With a Peppers signing, you wouldn’t see a RT signed, but acquiring one somehow would help our new OC immensely.
3. FS Draft a true FS. Please. Draft 2 while you are at it. We don’t need a vet if we get a DE in the mkt.
4. OL Draft the best ones available. It’s time to think future here. Spending on overpriced mediocre OLinemen is no way to get sustainable performance.
5. RB Draft a punishing back. One that could double as a blocker. We don’t need a speedy back, we need someone who is less finesse than Forte. A guy that could crush a box depleted by a 4 WR set, and wear on a D in the 2nd half to spell Forte. I agree with No It All. If a guy like Gerhart falls to the 4th because he isn’t a combine star or whatever, GO FOR IT.
What we don’t need:
1. We don’t need Chester Taylor. Why would you want to waste money on a 30 year old backup who is essentially a guy already on our roster (AP)?
2. A “#1” WR. I would love to have one, but the above needs are more pressing. If, for some reason, we are presented with the opportunity to get BMarshall or ABoldin on the cheap, then sure, why not? But not at the expense of the 5 above. Or, if we need a veteran presence in the WR corps that can still play, Derrick Mason is a FA.
3. We don’t need crazy trade scenarios that make the team worse or that no team would ever consider. I’m talking to you, “Trade Briggs for a 1st rounder” guy. And you, “Trade Corey Graham, Garret Wolfe, and a 7th rounder for Vincent Jackson.” guy.
Are you kidding me?
1. We don’t need Chester Taylor. Why would you want to waste money on a 30 year old backup who is essentially a guy already on our roster (AP)?
Taylor has a 1,200 yard season, has a career 4.3 yards per carry, and 256 career receptions on his resume. What exactly has “our” AP done again besides be a STS ace?
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
That season was in 2006.
AP in 2007 had 510 yards, a 4.1 ypc average, and 420 receiving yards while starting only 5 games. Extrapolate the numbers and you get…the same guy.
Again: Overpriced. Old. Career backup except for 1 year.
And, as you said, not as good a special teams player.
How do you know he'll be overpriced?
He’s not currently a starter in this league and is 30 years old. With that said, he has very low-mileage which is very important for NFL RBs. I don’t think AP could hold Taylor’s jock in terms of quickness and speed. That’s fine if you don’t want him because of his age, or the fact he’s a backup to the greatest RB in the league, but saying he’s a replica for a career 3rd-string/STS RB is ludicrous.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
He'll be the most attractive of the unrestricted FA pool.
In this offseason without a CBA, the few players that aren’t restricted will come at a premium. It’s simple economics.
Regardless of what you think of Taylor’s potential, he’s played second fiddle for all his career save 1 season.
Taylor’s MO has been as a 3rd down back with good hands out of the backfield. We already have a guy with good hands in Forte. I want a cheaper complimentary runner with the attributes listed above and it would be nice if he were a great ST player.
I'm not so sure
Teams rarely overpay for older RBs, especially in a year with so much financial uncertainty. I think some players will benefit in an uncapped year, but RB won’t be one of those positions that cashes in. Teams that need help in the backfield will look towards the draft, not free-agency (ie San Diego). With that said, maybe the Bears look at McCluster as a solution in the draft.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
"Teams rarely overpay..."
Apparently you don’t know the work of JA and crew. He and Jim Hendry must swap contract negotiation tips.
That said, we are both just speculating on what will happen in an extraordinary set of circumstances. We’ll see I guess
Agree we don't need him
we need speed not an aging back losing speed. He is not going to put pressure on the defense out of the backfield as much as someone with wheels that can create a mismatch.
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He's currently on the roster
and his name is Garrett Wolfe.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
hopefully we rectify that shortly
and cut the mighty midget and pick up someone who can hekp our backfield out..
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5.5 YPC is better than Taylor
If you say Bell has 5.5 ypc too Bells #s are inflated because of that one run (without it he’s at 3.8 ypc)
Wolfe is also younger and probably cheaper than Taylor
Are you actually trying to say Wolfe is better than Taylor?
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 14, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
DE...?
yeah we should use our 3rd rounder on a DE. Preferably a guy who can jump out of a pool. er wait a second….
“Martz system puts a ton of pressure on the ends.” Yeah, if not for Martz we wouldn’t have any reason to get a RT. Other then the longevity of our 1st franchise QB in um forever.
DLine and OLine should be addressed via free agency… then we draft Kam Chancellor because unlike the DLineman or OLineman JA will pick in the 3rd, Kam would ya know, actually start for us.
Lol on jumping out of the pool bit
I’m hoping DE is addressed in FA, but it’s possible to get a decent RT in the third. Probably not likely, but Loadholt was drafted in the 2nd last year.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Loadholt was drafted in the 2nd last year.
And we passed up on him for two third-rounders who never got any meaningful playing time. Don’t get me started…..
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get the LG and move Omiyale to RT where he belongs
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 12, 2010 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
+1...
I’ve been saying that since the second game of this last season! Omiyale is an OK pass blocker on the outside (with a little help at times) and blocks well in space in the run game. IMO, these are the 2 qualities that make a RT a RT and not a LT. He’s rarely going to take on the best pass rusher and he can block well on sweeps and traps pulling back to his left. Beekman can fill in until a suitable replacement is found and then Beekman gets reps on the line in preparation for his eventual take-over at C.
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Hmmm
1. Agreed
2. Agreed, but a pass rushing right DE is a bigger need
3. see above. BTW, let Ogun go, he’s got very little left.
4. Agreed
5. You can never have too many CBs
6. No, need for a FB in Martz’s offense
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 12, 2010 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry for crashing your thread Wilt...
thought this was great – LINK >>
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It's a tuff call.
I think you have to find a way to get pressure on the opposing QB,and make that first priority.Then you Go with a true FS,then a LG.
GET KAM CHANCELLOR!!
the man is a beast…i will be highly offended if we dont draft him. An instant upgrade and force. We need to do anything to ensure we get this guy.
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don't get your hopes up
we probably won’t draft him. we needed a safety big time last year and JA instead opted for Gilbert and passed on Chip Vaughn out of Wake – who I’ll admit was not my first choice (Patrick Chung was), but would have probably filled in nicely.
if we need it, we’re not drafting it. not high anyway. look for Angelo to go after a DL/DE – because that’s just the kind of asshat he is.
by junkhorse on Feb 11, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
if we need it, we’re not drafting it. not high anyway. look for Angelo to go after a DL/DE – because that’s just the kind of asshat he is.
This deserves engreenation.
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"I don’t care if Belichick wins twenty Super Bowls. He’s an asshole." - Da Coach
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
Excellent!
You’re right, the likelihood the “asshat” will draft a FS with his first pick is probably pretty slim. He’s so arrogant and full of himself that he’ll think some unknown, athletic DE will be able to produce right off the bat.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Don’t forget that, true to form, he’ll think he’ll have the steal of the draft with another 6th round DB to add to our roster of late round DBs.
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"I don’t care if Belichick wins twenty Super Bowls. He’s an asshole." - Da Coach
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
Yeah, another SS playing FS.
Just what the defense needs, another “tweener.”
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
+2
Proper grammatical use of the term “asshat”. ;-)
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Feb 12, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Just saying hi
Long reader, 1st time poster
I agree with Pretender85.
About this offseason, the best we can hope for is an old FS ala Darren Sharper. He’s a leader and a productive player. He will be serviceable at least till next year when we have our 1st/2nd round picks again, assuming JA doesn’t trade them away this offseason. Next year we can draft a OL-man then a FS with the first two picks – flip flop them of you like. Sharper will be good enough to hold down the position till we can draft that top notch FS that we need.
On the OL, we do need to upgrade. Via this draft, definitely the next, or FA, we need to upgrade that line. That should be priority #1 for the next few yrs. Kreutz is old. Garza is old. The backups pretending to be starters sux. Never understood why the team would bring in a career backup and think he’ll turn on a dime and play like a starter when he’s never been a full time starter to begin with. A backup is a backup. Period. Just because he’s labeled a starter doesn’t mean he is one.
With the limited crop out there this offseason, though I hope against all odds the CBA is fixed but probably won’t be, with no cap the Bears must be aggressive. Peppers should be #1 with Kampman a close 2nd. Target Sharper and virtually guarantee he’ll be the starter if that’s what it takes. I would love to see B. Marshall, but seeing as the Bears have nothing in picks this yr, that’ll be hard unless they sacrifice another draft yr to get him.
Dump R. Davis to clear roster space, along with not resigning a few others, and get players who can play their primary positions well, then work them into ST if needed. I like the idea of moving Hester back into his primary position. He plays with heart, but he’s not a natural WR and he’ll never be good enough to draw double teams, say if even we go get a real #1 and he gets injured, an inserted Hester won’t worry the opposing defenses. Knox and DA will be Cutler’s fav targets next season, with Olsen being the primary target in the RZ. I know Martz will change the offense as he should, but he should continue utilizing Olsen in the RZ, even if he limits the TE’s routes between the 20s.
RM better tweak the defense. He needs to. If Lovie has any faith in his friend, he should let him make the necessary changes. Work the scheme to better maximize the talents of the players. This idiocy of trying to mold players to fit the scheme isn’t working and hasn’t worked in a while. You have what you have, make the most of it. I heard a plenty that Lovie as a big ego, as all coaches should, but he should be smart and realize that his ego should settle on the # of wins, not whether or not he can get this guy or that guy to change positions and still be successful, or draft a project that probably won’t pan out. I’m tired of these project players. Draft talent, talent that you can see and verify. I understand potential, but a first or second round pick as plenty of potential, which is why they go so high. Yet they aren’t projects. I say dump all the projects and just draft players.
Lastly, we need a bruiser back. The Bus kind of player who can pound the rock in short yardage situations and wear down the opposing defenses. We have good speed already. I like our current backup. Maybe get LT? He may be declining, but I heard his GL stats are still good.
Anyhow, guess I said too much and probably sounded stupid in the process. Cya guys around, the offseason just began, so I’m sure there’ll be plenty of discussions here.
Till next time,
JA
Welcome...
some good stuff here, a lot of stuff here lol! You could have made a fanpost from this comment.
Next year with their #1 pick I think it’s time to address the aging O-Line, and I don’t see LT coming to Chi.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
why dont you think we have a shot at LT?
Chances are, he’s gonna be with a new team next year. He is a good receiving back and why not go to the team fo the player he idolized? 34.
by Ryan21 on Feb 11, 2010 1:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I just don't see the Bears pursuing him
he’s not aging very good
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, definitely has lost a step and
too big an ego to play second fiddle..Hello browns..
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JA?
JA!? JA!!?? Not THE J.A., I hope? Lol. You might not last long around here if you are… ;) Lol
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DC should be running the Bears draft
Though I’m not so sure on Tomlinson. The rest of it sounds sensible, which is why it’ll never wash with Angelo.
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What about Myron Rolle?
He played “rover” at FSU and is probably the smartest guy in the draft. If you’re looking for a “Mike Brown replacement” this guy is the best shot you have at it.
i like him but
even tho sites have him getting drafted late i think many teams are looking at him and praying he falls to them. I bet he is gone before we have a shot.
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I wouldn't confuse
off the field smarts with on the field smarts.
DEJESUS!!!
Are you saying he isn't "on field" smart?
The two types of smarts are certainly correlated even if they’re not the same thing.
I’ll take his record of having on-field smarts over your opinion on the matter.
by shawndgoldman on Feb 11, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Another idea...
If the team were to trade someone to replace the pick they’ll lose for signing a restricted FA they could make a run at one. In other words, they could trade Olsen for a 3rd-round pick, and then things wouldn’t be as bad if they lose their 3rd round pick for signing someone like Atogwe.
FS is the position the Bears need to solve...
Manning is a waste of space, but if he’s kept, he can play nickel. Bowman and Tillman can be the starters and Graham can come off the bench in dime. Let Moore get some reps, but bring him along slowly. Payne and Alfalfa are solid at SS and could spell FS if needed on rare occasions. Turenne seems to have potential, but I just don’t see him breaking through the practice squad wall. Steltz is a nice guy. Vasher is gone!
IMO, FS is a huge priority and the Bears need to develop a strategy. In the short term, old FAs like Sharper fit the bill. OJ Atogwe would be the complete fix for the FS position, but it would be difficult to pry him out of STL. Long term I say go get the best FS (Chancellor, most likely) in the draft with the Bear’s 3rd rounder. There are not likely to be great DEs at that point and LG prospects can be had later in the draft and in FA. Another Bowman-type DB in the later rounds would be nice if there is one.
Lastly, I would argue that the BIGGEST problem is still Lovie and the position coaches; namely Hoke. They have failed miserably at all the pahses of coahcing. They have not picked great talent, not developed talent, not identified FA talent well, or coordinated a defense that could have successes at DB. The DMS joke prevalent on WCG says it all. Lovie believes his own bullsh!! I think D Manning and Corey Graham are 2 guys who have talent and are simply not well coached. Bowman may end up better than Tillman, but not with Lovie as a “teacher”. What can I say, this defense is awful and getting worse mostly because of Lovie. Hopefully, JA can get at least the proper talent at FS so when Lovie is fired this season, this offseason won’t be a complete waste!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I LIKE THIS POST!!
busy morning, but this is a great lunchtime treat. A lot of what I say will be repetition, but hey I just can’t help myself, sometimes.
For starters I do think FS is our # priority. Not saying we don’t have needs on the OLine and DLines, but not only do I think those needs are not as extreme as our safety needs, but I hope the OLine and Dline are addressed in free agency.
The safety position (FS or SS) lacks the most depth of any position(s) on our team. Year after year the Bears stock up on 5th or 6th rounders to play safety, while using earlier picks to draft DLineman. I understand the need for pressure on the QB, but all an opposing QB?offense needs to do against such a one sided defense is the 3 step drop and our defense is neutralized.
IMO Mike Brown’s injuries and the rotation of 6th rounders at FS since Mike Brown is a big reason this team has declined since the Super Bowl. Sorry Lovie but the rotating safety philosophy is garbage and a poor excuse for not having a decent safety.
I am intrigued by this Chancellor guy… tell me more…. WHEN we draft him it will be irrelevant if he plays SS or FS because he will be the bona fide starter at whatever position. It is interesting to see that there is no consensus regarding what round he will likely be drafted in. I have previously advocated moving up to draft him in the 2nd round where I had seen him projected as going (HH plus a 4th rounder?). Seeing many safeties above him on draft boards means he might actually be there for us in the 3rd. Even if we do get him in the 3rd, i would still like us to move into Day 1 in order to accumulate more talent.
I think it was Muhsin and Ochocinco who said that the Bears defense was no longer intimidating. At 6’3 230lbs. Kam Chancellor would instantly change that (accurate) perception especially for opposing WRs, making them think twice when going over the middle. Watch his videos on NFLdraftscout.com and reminisce about the past while considering the boost to our defense physically and emotionally of having a guy like Chancellor capable of making WRs “hear footsteps”. All that said, i expect us to pass on him in favor of a DLineman who will redshirt his rookie season only to become an unwanted free agent (see Dan Bazuin).
There you are!
I told you you’d like this post!
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
well done my friend...
if not readily available then no worries, but I was wondering if there is a particular quote of Lovie saying that the safety position is interchangeable in his system. I don’t necessarily want his exact words as much as I want some context.
This “philosophy” is disconcerting on several levels. Is he implying that a rotation is fine and no bona fide starter is necessary at either safety position? Or is this just a conceptual thing? Is he the only person to espouse this belief?
Things like this are why I had really hoped the org. might hire a specialist of the secondary like Fewell as DC to improve the coverage aspect of defense in order to compliment Lovie’s emphasis on the guys up front, while neglecting the secondary.
I'll look for something...
I remember him saying in his system the safeties are interchangable as far as what each is asked to do, I believe he said it around the time Mike Brown was going back and forth between SS and FS.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
To run Lovie's defense successfully
you HAVE to have dominant defensive ends which allow for a dominant pass rush without the need to blitz while having your LBs play their gaps or be in coverage. We MUST have a productive end to compliment Alex Brown and that is our #1 priority this offseason. Peppers should definitely be on the Bears’ radar screen, even though I would be very surprised to see that move.
Of course secondly, we need that FS. Mel Kiper Jr. had the Bears needing to draft another wideout, I don’t think that guy is doing his homework very well. Drafting another WR would be a ridiculous move.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 11, 2010 4:05 PM CST reply actions
Drafting another WR would be a ridiculous move.
Funny you should say that…..
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cause it might happen?
Never know what those fools might do on draft day. Probably stockpile 2011 picks even though the draft will be watered down by all the juniors coming out this year.
Yep, now that you’d identified it as a ridiculous move I fully expect it to happen.
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"I don’t care if Belichick wins twenty Super Bowls. He’s an asshole." - Da Coach
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
i really hope no wr is drafted
unless his first name is DEZ and last name is BRYANT
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 12, 2010 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
If they can get a playmaker DE to play the right (blind) side, it will help help them get much more out of ABrown. He is better suited to playing the left DE and if the other DE is a bona fide pass rusher, it will leave ABrown with more opportunities to make plays.
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 12, 2010 8:10 AM CST up reply actions
Otogwe
Are you sure Otogwe is a RFA? He was franchised last year, and after having a season-ending shoulder injury and a rebuilding team, I don’t see them franchising him a second time. Not sure how the CBA issue affects him personally, but if we can get him for just a contract, i think he is priority #1 (and he’s from the Rams, so I’m sure Lovie will be all about it).
DEJESUS!!!
If the CBA isn't agreed upon, which looks to be the case
he’ll be a restricted free agent… If by some miracle the CBA is agreed upon he’ll be unestricted, as will a whole bunch of other prospects…
But all signs point to no agreement.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
We should at least give Moore a chance at FS.
He’s the ballhawk that every team wants at that position. So what if he’s short and can’t tackle well. Moore probably wouldn’t be a star at FS, but solid, probably.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
probably... NOT
Dude has been so good at nothing at the pro level let’s pencil him in as the starter at a new position. JA?? Is that you?
Not very likely
he’ll hold up at FS. He’s tiny and I doubt he has the ability to tackle in the open-field. I guess we wouldn’t know until they tried.
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You gotta love the KY jelly ads
really classy touch to WCG.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 11, 2010 7:39 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I had an ad for GayChubbyDating.com staring me in the face one time when my adblocker was off. Not that I have a problem with people’s preferences, but the combination was simultaneously funny and disturbing :-D
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
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FS is a crucial need, but WR first !
The Lac is back. With the embarrassment of Hillenmeyer relegated to the dark days in Bear s’ history, FS will not be as crucial as it was this year. Yes we need a good one, but not as urgently as that monster WR is needed. Somebody can fill in there for a while, but a 5’9 receiver cannot fill in for a 6’4 receiver.
We need a veteran at the FS spot and cannot wait a few years to develop some project out of college. Again, Angelo shot us in the foot with Mike Brown. With the probable airlocking of Vasher we are very thin at CB and an injury away from disaster. But here’s the urgency as I see it : (1) WR (2) FS (3) LG (4) CB (5) MLB !! Week one. Week one. Get thee hence to endless night Hillenmeyer – if he was a movie he’d be “Lost in space”.
As I see it, we can survive momentarily without a new LG, Beekman can man the ramparts until long term help arrives, which obviously needs to be premium.
We need a big receiver more than any other single need. Cutler likes/needs his big targets. This was made clear to the blind in week 16 with the ‘arrival’ of Shabb-dabba-do. A guy who wasn’t even the best receiver on the team when Brandon Rideau was on the squad, he is on his own on this squad. The man stands alone on an island as a Bear receiver. Bennett/Knox/Hester have all shown a distinct slowness when it comes to picking up the playbook. Bennett is by some way the tallest of them at 6’0. The alignments, the blown routes, not knowing the hot reads; what happens this year with a brand new, bigger playbook ? What does Greg Olsen do on an offense that requires a single tight end, and a TE whose job it is to block and block alone ? Blocking is not in Greg Olsen’s vocabulary. If he remains as starting tight end for the Bears, one thing is for sure. His ten catches this year after 4 games will take some beating. Bada bing !
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 9:03 PM CST reply actions
The receiver position is one of the LEAST of our concerns right now.
The other being our LBs.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 11, 2010 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think we are good at WR at all.
But JA does, so look for Forte to be our leading WR. Again.
We do need a FS more then a WR though.
We really ........
………….. need a right tackle , a defensive tackle and then a free safety . WR is not really that pressing and could be taken care of via free agency .
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 12, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
I think Tommie
is going to be a force this season so I’d put DE ahead of DT.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 12, 2010 8:00 AM CST up reply actions
Wow thats quite a prediction, I hope youre right.
"How sad, another victim of the Night Nurses from Jersey."
DE is way more of a need than DT
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Unless you find a DT who can play like Harris used to play
then the Bears could live with ABrown and whoever at DE
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Feb 13, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
That's a concern
but having your DEs top out at 6.5 sacks is unacceptable. Harris still has the talent, let’s see if his health ever gets back to 90% or so.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Have a little faith
By no means were our wideouts the weak spot on this team by far last season. They might just go out and really shake up things this season and I think they are more likely to succeed than to fail. Forte is going to get a lot of looks in Martz’s offense but I’m fine with that, whatever works and Forte catches nicely out of the backfield.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 12, 2010 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
all those Cutler interceptions were a huge problem
and they were largely due to receivers running bad routes, breaking off routes, and letting balls bounce off of their hands.
and Jay ignoring double and triple-coverages.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
ughhh..yes
let’s hope he is watching alot of film this offseason..
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really? You are far too optimistic IMO.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Feb 12, 2010 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
IMO
you’re too fixated on the WR position if you think it’s the most important position to upgrade when we have so many needs on the defensive side of the ball. We need to have a complete team instead of focusing on one side of the ball and having an obsession with the all powerful “#1 receiver.”
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 12, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Since I don't think WR is the position of greatest need, your response makes little sense
I don’t even think WR is the greatest need on the offensive side of the ball. That would be LG. I have said that if the Bears have a chance to get a #1 WR, they would be fools not to explore the opportunity, but feel free to attack what you mistakenly think I posted.
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Feb 13, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Look for another LB in the third round.
Yeah I know we don’t “need” another one, but JA always takes the best LB he can find. Like he’s looking for the next coming of Urlacher on the cheap.
Didn’t JA say last year "we’ll take the best “player” available, regardless of what position he plays" or something to that effect.
These guys are all wearing “asshats” (props to the earlier post), they can’t find their own ass with both hands. I would be blown away if they actually thought about what the team needs in relation to who they draft. The more disturbing problem is their inability to evaluate talent.
Having insulted them (management) sufficiently, let us hope they get lucky and find someone, anyone, who can fill one of the numerous holes on the team.
On a more positive note, we do have a decent core of talent – Urlacher, Briggs, Cutler, Forte, Olsen, DA, Knox, Harris, Williams, Kreutz etc… There’s just more holes to be filled to solidify our nucleus. With a LOT of luck, we can get this done through FA, the draft will only produce 1-2 starters.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Feb 12, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions
or we can pick up Antonio Pierce
and totally redeem ourselves!
for at least 2-3 seasons … Urlacher strong side, Pierce, Briggs.
it’s just a dream dammit! don’t rain on my parade!
yeah thats what he said, then he traded down so we could take the best avail., but later in the draft
it’s not his fault. he gets confused sometimes. it isn’t like it is his job or anything.
How about this
We get Dunta and move Tillman to FS
but apparently Dunta wants to stay in Houston and I may be giving Tillman DMS

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