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Looking at all 26 picks from Jay Cutler

Sean Jensen of the Chicago Sun Times had a chance to sit down with ESPN analyst and former NFL signal caller and break down every single one of Jay Cutlers interceptions.  Here is the full article, LINK.  And here is a picture by picture breakdown of each and every one of his 26 picks, LINK.  I'll block quote some snippets from the article, but be sure to go check out both links.  There's some real good stuff there.

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The Bears paid a steep price to get Jay Cutler. Two first-round picks, a third-rounder and quarterback Kyle Orton went to the Denver Broncos, but the Bears acquired a Pro Bowl quarterback in his prime (26), as well as a fifth-round pick who ended up being Pro Bowl kickoff returner Johnny Knox.

So far, the Broncos appear to have fleeced the Bears.

Fleeced!!!

But ESPN ''Monday Night Football'' and ''NFL Matchup'' analyst Ron Jaworski said Cutler still can be an elite quarterback -- and the Bears hired the right coach to help him fulfill his potential.

Nice to hear someone else drop some positivity about Mike Martz.

But here is the most telling snippet from the article;

The most startling revelation: pass protection wasn't to blame for any of the interceptions. The Bears' offensive line had issues, just not on these 26 plays.

Make sure you haed over and hit on their picture gallery, Jaworski breaks down every single on of those picks, like only a former QB can.  LINK!

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I heard Jensen on the radio this AM.

seems like Jaws thought most of the picks were a combo of poor mechanics and bad decisions. although i’m sure he made plenty of good plays with poor mechanics too.

it sure would have been nice to have a QB coach who could work on that.

by Hatchetm on Feb 11, 2010 1:53 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

I heard it this morn too. I was trying to sneak as much of a listen as I could before I had to go catch my train!

I think Martz will be the primary QB coach…

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I heard it this morn too. I was trying to sneak as much of a listen as I could before I had to go catch my train!

I think Martz will be the primary QB coach…

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

A good coach

might help you with your mechanics and help you fulfill your potential.

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by Pete Dixon on Feb 11, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

martz? I don't know...Maybe....

Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda

by suckmyditka on Feb 11, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep,

I was thinking that when I was typing that. We’ll see.

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 12, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

he’s known as a good mechanics coach for qbs

Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda

by suckmyditka on Feb 14, 2010 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I have watched/listened to Jaws since...

he played for the Eagles. He, as a rule, believes the O-line is NEVER at fault because all defenses bring pressure as he has said so in the past (no I don’t have a quote or link). Also, he does not know what routes/adjustments the WRs are expected to make by the QB. He can comment properly on the mechanics, though his mechanics were awful when he played. I agree with his assessment of Cutler’s mechanics, but that’s been Cutler’s albatross since he got to the NFL. All in all, I believe much of the critique is sound, but it does fail to account for the biggest problems the Bears had last season:
1. The o-line sucked so bad that the running game was a JOKE.
2. The o-line sucked so bad the passing game suffered as well; doubly since they couldn’t run anyway.
3. The defense could not stop any good teams from scoring 30+ points.
4. The offense was predictably dumb and badly coordinated.
5. The WRs are average and inexperienced.

Cutler was expected to raise the play of the offense and took that burden too literally. He needs to settle down and execute and I think Martz will teach him that. It was nice to read the critique and it does have value, but laying the entire failure of the offense on Cutler is VERY short-sighted. I still think Lovie’s defense will destroy any positives that come out of his firing this season, but we’ll see.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Feb 11, 2010 2:15 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

I agree wholeheartedly.

Just because every defense brings pressure, doesn’t mean the line isn’t at fault. For the most part, your Pats, your Colts, etc. lines hold up, even when people bring the pressure.

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by Kev H on Feb 11, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed as well

Gruden made a comment about Jaworski throwing picks during a broadcast I seen towards the end of the season. I don’t remember exactly what game it was, but the first thing that came to my mind was his comments towards Cutler. Jaws had three seasons with 20 or more picks and his career totals are: 179 TD’s compared to 164 interceptions. I didn’t like him back when he played and I still don’t like him. It always makes me smile when Gruden puts him in place : ) I saw at least three interceptions thrown last season by Cutler where a P.I. should’ve been called, officials weren’t kind to Chicago last season at all.

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 11, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

partly because cutler is always whining and carrying on.

by Hatchetm on Feb 11, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

OK

What about Favre. What about Brady. What about Romo. Even Manning. Those boys carry on just as bad and influence calls all the time. I can’t even count how many flags I have seen after one of these guys cries.

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 11, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, you can carry on...

when you reach that status. stupid, but that’s the way it is. refs help favre up off the ground for god’s sake.

by Hatchetm on Feb 11, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

while collecting autographs...lol

just making a point, thats all.

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 11, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I was going to say the same thing.

Other that whining to the refs Peyton loves to call out his players.
LINKY 1
LINK 2

by boondock_saint812 on Feb 11, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Peyton and Eli both

are whiny little punks…Very very generously paid punks LOL. But seriously i would take Drew Brees or Kurt Warner or even Cutler or McNab over the Mannings, simply because i think the mannings (mostly Eli not so much peyton) are overrated whiny babies. Peyton throws temper tantrums and blames everything on evryone else, and eli is WAAAY overpaid and isn’t even the best quarterback in his division, and may even be the 3rd best. (romo, mcnab, manning) Peyton chokes in the playoffs, and only won the one superbowl because The genius ron turner decided we would pass with sexy rex even though the run was working all night. So all in all i believe Cutler Can’t be blamed for ALL the picks, and Manning has a horrible temper and blames too much on his teammates.

Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda

by suckmyditka on Feb 11, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't that part of being a leader?

I have no problem with someone like Peyton calling out his teammates.

The mania is still runnin' wild and the madness still flows through the veins.

by The Mega Powers on Feb 12, 2010 1:54 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Also, at this point in his career and with what he’s accomplished, Peyton’s earned the right. I don’t have an issue with Cutler doing the same, except he really hasn’t earned anything yet so he needs to just turn it down a notch and be aware of the situation and how he does it. Holding your teammates accountable is a huge part of being a top notch QB, in my opinion, and letting the refs know that you are a knowledgeable, professional is also a way to get credibility as you mature in the league. Once you’ve established that personna, you’ll tend to get more borderline calls go your way.

Young guns who rant, rave, whine, etc. on every play are like the boy who cried wolf and will rarely get the benefit of the doubt.

by BearFan611 on Feb 12, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

good post

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Feb 11, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

And cuz ya know

JAws was SUCH an amazing quarterback in his day. I may not have been old enough to live and watch him play in real time, but i have seen tapes and heard stories about him. From what i hear he was average at best

Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda

by suckmyditka on Feb 11, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes...

Jaws had the moniker “The Polish Rifle”. He was an OK QB with above average smarts and below average athletic skills. I do take his critique of Cutler’s mechanics at their word, but much of the rest of critique is taken out of context. Even though it has the situational stats, it doesn’t tell the whole story. I do believe Cutler needs to improve his mechanics and work hard to stay within the the offense. He should start from a place of good mechanics that are within the limits of the offense and then use his elite abilities when/if the play breaks down. But I get the feeling that too many people are trying to justify saying that the Cutler trade was a bad deal for the Bears; it wasn’t, in fact, it was a great trade. Now the whole Gaines Adams thing, while obviously tragic, was a bad trade either way.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Feb 12, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

better than average ... but not much

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Feb 12, 2010 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I get the feeling...

you aren’t having Jaws over for your SB party next year! ;>P

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Feb 12, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I like him better than Phil Simms

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Feb 12, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Espn suckks screw them..

Bottom line is if u have only 2 seconds to throw the ball and wr are running the wrong routs you aint gonna have a good year.I must of counted atleast 20 times this year when i was counting that he had less than 2 seconds to throw cause he had someone in the backfield already..If someone told me they can credit him for 1/2 the ints i would agree .I mean comon the defenses were reading our calls before the plays were ran..lol..

by tazz34 on Feb 11, 2010 4:24 PM CST reply actions  

My god I can probably count nearly half of the picks

were due to poor route running or guys stopping their routes. The others were definitely on Jay with poor throws/decisions. Jaws, ehh….

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by tfrabotta on Feb 11, 2010 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

And we were fleeced because??

they got a QB who dinked and dunked his way to an average year and they drafted Robert Ayers who hardly produced at all?? Let’s see how pick 10 goes before they announce the winner..

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by tfrabotta on Feb 11, 2010 4:36 PM CST reply actions  

they will pick

Arrelious Benn and he will end up on IR. LOL

Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda

by suckmyditka on Feb 11, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

haha
they got a QB who dinked and dunked his way to an average year and they drafted Robert Ayers who hardly produced at all??

And they CHOKED! What is it with the AFC west and them choking?

by T.Moore on Feb 14, 2010 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Looks like the total of INTs thrown that were Cutler's fault is 17....

Which is not that bad; problem is how to get rid of the 9 extra and another couple from Jay

by escolio on Feb 11, 2010 4:46 PM CST reply actions  

27 tds and 17 ints

probabley earns him a pro bowl over McNab

Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda

by suckmyditka on Feb 11, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey Jaws...

MIKE HARTENSTINE!!!!!

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by Pete Dixon on Feb 11, 2010 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

This was in the comments section of that article

From an interview with Tom Brookshier:

Bears-Eagles, 1980, Ron Jaworski is the Philly quarterback and it’s a pass play and his left tackle whiffs a block. Here comes DE Mike Hartenstine, past the checkpoint on full security clearance.

“Jaworski was standing there, in an almost Heisman-like pose,” remembers Brookshier. "Hartenstein just drilled him, right in the back. Luckily, Jaworski didn’t see him coming, so he didn’t tense up, but the hit knocked him to the ground in a fetal position. He was lying in the ground, sorta sucking his thumb. It wasn’t an illegal hit, but Hartenstine was still fined $2,000 even though there was no flag.

“They carried Jaworski off the field, and then Summerall said to me in his real matter-of-fact tone, ‘What do you think of that?’

“I said, ’They ought to give him a bonus. A guy waits a whole season for a shot like that!

Hilarious..

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by tfrabotta on Feb 11, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

I am 100% positive that I saw that game.

I didn’t miss any back then, hell…I don’t miss any now. That’s f’n hilarious!!

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 11, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

that's why qb's put up the numbers they do today

they don’t have to worry about stuff like that.

by Hatchetm on Feb 12, 2010 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

You know, i will give him

the fact that those picks weren’t directly linked to having a player in his face. The one caveat i have is that due to prior plays he was pressing a lot of the time and had to accelerate his internal play clock. Due to that i think you cannot totally absolve the line from blame on many of those interceptions

by Jhitt81 on Feb 11, 2010 6:17 PM CST reply actions  

+1

This is where I have a problem with the context. When Cutler is running for his life for most of a game, why wouldn’t his internal clock wind a little tighter. When a QB doesn’t do that, they’re called Ben Roethlisberger, and they get sacked about 50 times a year.

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.

Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 12, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Ayup. To claim that the OL’s poor performance had no effect whatsoever on Cutler’s declining decision-making process seems a little short-sighted. I expect more from an expert pundit who spends 30 hours a week watching film.

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by Spongie on Feb 13, 2010 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly.....

I’d love to see Jaws break down some footage of his own play. Interesting to see if he’s as hard on himself as he is on young QBs who are infinitely more talented than he was.

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.

Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 14, 2010 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

What an article

I could only make it through 11 picks and I had to stop…it was bringing back memories of ’08.

For what it is worth, I think Martz is a good match for Cutler. I don’t think he’ll be able to reign in the INTs much, but the aggressive down-field offense Martz likes plays to Cutler’s strengths.

And yeah, you got fleeced…to argue otherwise is a practice in futility. Orton for Cutler straight-up would have been a fair trade.

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Feb 12, 2010 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

You are entitled to your opinion

But I will still take Cutler and Knox over orton, Ayers, a 3rd rd TE that never played and a 50/50 chance #10 pick this year. And again we thank you very much for the trade!

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by tfrabotta on Feb 12, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Orton was a good QB, and will continue to be one. But he will never be, nor has he ever had the potential to be, a great QB. Nobody would suggest that Orton is a franchise QB, or that he ever will be one. Knox sweetens the deal. And given Chicago’s history with QBs, I’d say getting a franchise QB with the potential Jay possesses is worth it, even if the #10 pick this year ends up being a great pick. I’d take the known young pro-bowler over the unknown picks with Angelo and Smith pulling the trigger any day.

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.

Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 13, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Orton for Cutler straight-up would have been a fair trade.

Don’t take this personally, but I’ve read many, many comments regarding the trade, and this has to be one of the most idiotic. Not a single GM out there would have swapped Cutler (outgoing) for Orton (incoming) as an equal trade. Even Matt Millen would have laughed in your face if you’d proposed that.

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"if we need it, we’re not drafting it. not high anyway. look for Angelo to go after a DL/DE – because that’s just the kind of asshat he is.." - junkhorse
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Feb 13, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes but,
Even Matt Millen would have laughed in your face if you’d proposed that.

If you through in a really fast Pot head that could catch Millen would be all over that.

by Jhitt81 on Feb 13, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Well of course no GM would do that as an equal trade

That’s because most GMs know that someone out there will see Cutler and think “Oooo…that is a ‘Franchise’ quarterback right there!!!” and will then trade 2 1sts + to get him.

I should have thrown “In hindsight…” in front of that statement and it probably would have made more sense to you. Both teams got what they wanted out of their QBs involved in the trade. We got a solid guy who can make reads and spread the ball out in the NE offense, and you got a gunslinger “franchise” quarterback who excites the fans even though he seems to like to throw picks as much as Shakira likes to shake her hips.

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Feb 15, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You do realize

the evaluation of the trade is still very much on-going? 3 years is when you can come here and claim victory. No more, no less.

"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach

by propheteer on Feb 15, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

We know you are happy and we will be fine..

Once our wr get on the same page with JC this year our offense will be fine. And again congratulations on having a QB that can throw checkdowns and underneath routes all day. Thank god you have Brandon Marshall(Uh oh isn’t he leaving) or KO’s YPA would have been about 4.0. Oh and how did he look against the Chiefs in the finale you had to win Yeah, he gift wrapped it with 2 pick 6’s..Hopefully the third round TE you got from us will be able to see the field this year and Ayers can break the 20 tackle mark in his 2nd year and get one sack..

“AFC West: Five rookie disappointments
Bill Williamson, AFC West
 Robert Ayers, linebacker, Denver, first round: Ayers wasn’t terrible, but he just didn’t do much. "

Oh and by the way the throw 5th rounder you gave us?? His name is Johnny Knox and he went to the pro bowl. And we got fleeced?? ha ha…I love getting fleeced

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by tfrabotta on Feb 16, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

lol, +1....

Exactly. I like Kyle. I do. But to suggest that he’s a better QB than Cutler is silly. And it’s not like they got a whole lot outta those draft picks so far. The way I see it, is that, unless Cutler completely bombs out, and this years #1 is a true stud, the Bears came away with the upper hand in this trade. Honestly, though, I think Denver got the best they were going to get for an unhappy QB, and Chicago got Johnny Knox and Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton, two backups and whoever Denver drafts at QB this year with that 1st rounder. I won’t complain.

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.

Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Huh?

You quote porkchop as a valid reference? Wow…that’s…special

So which way is it? Do we need to wait another 2 years to judge talent or are we talking about the effects of last season?

If we’re waiting 2 years, let me know and I’ll talk to you then.

If it is last season, okay…you can have your decent 5th round WR and your league leading INT qb. I’ll take my “checkdown” QB, rookie LB convert, and blocking TE, and whatever we get in the 1st round this year. Let’s see where all this got our respective teams:

Denver: 8 – 8 2nd place in the division
Chicago: 7 – 9 3rd place in the division

SURVEY SAYS! Checkdown QB FTW!

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Feb 19, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

If only we could play the chiefs and raiders 2x per year..one can only dream

and again I am happy and if your happy congrats.

" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-

by tfrabotta on Feb 19, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

For the win..

unless you are playing the hapless chiefs and they run up 300 yrds rushing and a couple of pick 6’s…

" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-

by tfrabotta on Feb 19, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Nearly 11 months on and still coming here to jaw about the trade???

I’m sure you dumped all your girlfriends first, and not the other way ‘round, despite what Denise said. OH NO SHE DIDN’T! Oh, snap!

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"if we need it, we’re not drafting it. not high anyway. look for Angelo to go after a DL/DE – because that’s just the kind of asshat he is.." - junkhorse
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Feb 20, 2010 2:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Jaws is mostly right

There were a couple plays where the protection broke down, but Cutler’s main issue is mechanics. If he works within the play call and has good mechanics, his ints drop dramatically. He was late on too many throws and mechanics were off on most of his ints.

Personally, I’d rather it be a fixable issue with one man than a lack of skill (which is unfixable) at 5. Martz, as we all hope, will be able to fix or start to fix those issues with Cutler.

by bs1220 on Feb 13, 2010 7:16 PM CST reply actions  

For the record

just because he sucked as a QB doesn’t mean he is wrong as an analyst. I want Jaws to be able to point out flaws because that gives us something to fix. Ideally, we fix it and we’re dramatically better. I don’t want him or anyone blowing smoke up our butts by saying “it was bad luck” because we can’t fix luck.

by bs1220 on Feb 13, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Came up with 6.5 Ints

that weren’t necessarily Jay’s fault. Still, horribly erratic and poor execution of fundamental mechanics.

"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach

by propheteer on Feb 15, 2010 10:14 PM CST reply actions  

FTW?

Is he punting Jay?

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by David Taylor on Feb 16, 2010 7:43 AM CST reply actions  

That’s not even a photoshop, is it?

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"if we need it, we’re not drafting it. not high anyway. look for Angelo to go after a DL/DE – because that’s just the kind of asshat he is.." - junkhorse
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Feb 19, 2010 1:07 AM CST up reply actions  

nope.

It was copy/pasted from the picture breakdown.

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Feb 19, 2010 7:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

The part that I think that everyone is overlooking is this:

Broncos with Cutler last year 12-4
Bears with Orton last year 4-12

Just my guesstimation but I really think Broncos could have had more of a chance with SOME downfield threat vs. none. Orton with no running game… what happens there?

I would argue the Bears may have lost in the trade last year on the grounds that if they would have had Orton, Lovie might be gone.

!

by Qgee on Feb 19, 2010 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

Logic doesn't work with the faithful at MHR

It is only Blue skies and Orton is this close to becoming a pro bowl QB. And if you would like to have your posts rec’d, the just about do it everytime to everyone so head on over and get Rec’d!

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