Alex Brown Indorses A Former Foe
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 12, 2010 6:24 PM CST
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Ealier today in an interview with Michael Smith Alex Brown did the unthinkable , he indorsed a Packer ( heres the link for the entire article ) . Blasphemous I know , but not when that Packer is free agent defensive end Aaron Kampman . Kampman is on the mend from a serious ACL injury this past year that cost him most of the 2009 season . Could this be what we're looking for in a defensive end ? So lets take a look at the pro's and con's of this move and compare him to another defensive end on the market this year , Julius Peppers .
PRO's
- Before his injury he was becoming an elite defensive end . Going back to 2006 , when his rise began , he has registered no less than 9.5 sacks ( minus this past season due to injury ) and two of those seasons registering double digit sack totals ( 2006 - 15.5 , 2007 - 12 ) . So he could definitely provide a consistant pass rush for us .
- He is an underrated run stuffer from the end . His versatility and instincts allow his to read and react quickly to pass or run . This makes him an every down type of player for us , which we need desperately need from our defensive line .
- His knowledge of a division rival that just hammered us twice this year is a big plus in my mind . He can give their offensive and defensive calls some so that we may audible correctly , thus giving us a leg up with at least on divisional foe .
- Hes a blue collar , worker whom gives consistant effort on every play . Is out right hustle and desire to get to the QB is something this defense has been missing the past few seasons and would be a welcome addition to our line .
- We could get him on the cheap . As we all know price does play in to who we sign and who we don't sign . With JA Kampman could be viewed as a deal to good to pass up , well lets hope so anyway .
CON's
- He is coming off of a serious knee injury that could effect his speed and agility . For a player that survives off of speed that could be quite determental to his overall play . This injury could also effect his availability for the start of training camp and put him behind in learning the system . Also it generally takes a full year to fully recover from a knee injury . The perfect example is Kevin Jones , enough said ?!
- During his career he has not created many turnovers . During his eight seasons he only has 12 turnovers forced . In comparision over that same time span Wale had 17 and another hot free agent Julius Peppers had a whopping 30 .
COMPARISION TO JULIUS PEPPERS
- Julius Peppers - his career stats dwarf Kampmans . Heres the stat line on both :
Peppers : 2002 stats - 12 sacks , 1 INT , 5 forced TO's
2003 stats - 7 sacks , 3 forced TO's
2004 stats - 11 sacks , 2 INT's , 4 forced TO's
2005 stats - 10.5 sacks , 2 forced TO's
2006 stats - 13 sacks , 3 forced TO's
2007 stats - 2.5 sacks , 1 INT , 3 forced TO's
2008 stats - 14.5 sacks , 5 forced TO's
2009 stats - 10.5 sacks , 2 INT's , 5 forced TO's
Kampman: 2002 stats - .5 sacks , 0 forced TO's
2003 stats - 2 sacks , 3 forced TO's
2004 stats - 4.5 sacks , 1 forced TO
2005 stats - 6.5 sacks , 3 forced TO's
2006 stats - 15.5 sacks , 3 forced TO's
2007 stats - 12 sacks , 1 forced TO
2008 stats - 9.5 sacks , 0 forced TO's
2009 stats - 3.5 sacks , 1 forced TO ( before injury )
To me this seems kinda one sided . Peppers is a force plain and simple . But what kind of money would Peppers want ? Likley Albert Haynesworth type cash , but is he worth the money ? And finally Kampman could be just as productive in our system as Peppers . There are only two question left ..... First , who do you want Bears fans Peppers or Kampman ? Second , will our front office pony up the cash required to land Peppers ?
This Bears fan is good with both , but my personal preference is Julius Peppers . He's the kind of player that is just plain scary at times . With him on our defense we instantly become relevant again as a defense again . Don't get me wrong though Kampman would raise our level of play , but no where near what Peppers could .
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If the Bears sign Peppers...
that will be it. No more FAs at all. If I believed the Bears were 1 DE away from SB contender it might make sense. However, the reality is that the Bears need to upgrade about 5-7 positions/players to be that good. Peppers is by far the best DE on the market; he’s a game changing DE with outstanding skills and seems to be ready to play another 3-5 years. I cannot imagine the Bears coming up with the money to sign Peppers; though I don’t believe the Bears are as cheap as, say, NoItAll, they are tight with their money. Kampman could be the high risk high reward gamble of this offseason.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I agree that we need to upgrade a handful of positions
It is very frustrating that JA disagrees with that. The biggest problem is that working with JA’s Bear goggles on (only 1 or 2 holes of which DLine is always one) it would make sense to go after Peppers, spend the big dollars to ensure that our one weakness is addressed. That is where the disconnect exists, because they will not do that, they will not spend the money it will take to guarantee our one hole is adequately filled. I’m not even such a big fan of signing Peppers, but if the team is what JA believes it to be then you sign JPepp and call it a day
While I wouldn’t be opposed to signing Kampman, the questions about his knee cannot be ignored. Pre-injury I’d be all about Kampman. I guess to sum it up they will sign Kampman and act like they signed Peppers, that’s what bugs me.
Organization worth approx.. $1.1 BILLION can’t find the $1.5 million get decent turf even though they pocketed the approx. $3 million under the cap we were. Just sayin’
I tend to agree with you about Kampman...
his knee is a worry. But then I look at him versus Ogunleye. Effectively, that’s the choice. Anderson will be a cheap re-sign, so Ogunleye is the next player to fill that position as a FA. We know what Ogunleye brings to the Bears; an aging DE with diminishing skills as a consistent starter, but nothing to get terribly excited about. Kampman could be the upside that O-gun lacks, but he is a bigger gamble. IMO, Peppers is a gamble with the entire offseason and it will be felt throughout the team. Kampman may give the Bears more for less money and allow a few other needed signings to actually happen.
The flipside is that the Bears go after Peppers whole hog and take that gamble. Pick up a FS and LG in the draft and hope the addition of Peppers on D and Martz on O is enough to get past another season around .500. I think the Bears are better long term spending big on Wilfork, rather than Peppers. Wilfork, IMO, makes a bigger 3-5 year difference on the play of the entire defense. Peppers is 3-5 years of improvement only on the pass defense, again IMO.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I don't think the Pats are gonna let Wilfork walk
unless they are looking to completely rebuild. It would be nice, but I can’t see it happening. I personally would rather see them sign Kampman than Peppers, assuming his leg heals right. Peppers is a huge talent, but he disappears way too much, and he’s always bitching about something. As good as he can be, we don’t need a semi-lazy malcontent DE to go with our highly-lazy oft-injured DT.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
and...?
to play a cynic (easy to do for Bears fans, I know), would the fact that we need more players at other positions matter? The Bears management is tediously known for not trying to get serious in Free Agency. They look for Free Agents who take the minimum salary at their position; so I don’t think signing Peppers would really wreck anything else they do.
I would pray to the football gods that we went after Peppers and actually got him. Sure, we need a safety, and I hope we try to find one, but when great players become available I naturally want them on the Bears.
I believe a healthy Urlacher makes up a lot for the play at LB. If we could trade Tommie Harris for an early 2nd rounder, I’d do it. Idonije and Harrison inside, with Peppers and Brown would be a great front.
I've been on ........
……………. the trade Tommie Harris wagon for a while . His play has slipped greatly and he is not what he once was . He no longer seems to either be healthy enough nor have the desire / fire in his game . So trading him I’m all for it , but not for a second rounder . My trade would be this ……. Tommie Harris to the Cardinals for Darnell Dockett and a third or even a second . Dockett wants money and getting rid of Harris’s contract would allow us to provide that cash and to get rid of an overpaid , underwhelming Harris . Seems like a win , win situation .
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 17, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
That would be sick :)
As a packer fan I don’t see way for Kampman to fit into the schemes the Packers have in the 3-4 as he showed, he can’t cover as well as Brad Jones did and seemed to only be productive in a 3 point stance Capers accepted which accounted for 2? of the sacks which came right before the injury. On the Bears I think Kampman will find what he had in the Packer’s 4-3 and thrive with a D-Coordinator or Head Coach who is better than Bob Sanders was in scheming.
I dont think there bears are money strapped
If the have the money go get both..done deal. it will solve d-line our problems..lol
in the post as quoted it takes a year toovercome said knee injury. we may not benefit in th first year but benefit in the next if signed. now if we where to sign both what happens to the o-line upgrades.as much as i like to see our D become number 1 again in pass rush and run stop i believe in getting the balance right in O line and D line. we need to keep cutler upright and opposing qb buried
I really can't ......
…….. see our managment splurging on both of them . The only way thats even a conceviable option is if we get Kampman dirt cheap and even then IF its happens I’m goin out and buyin a lottery ticket because the odds of us signing them both are about the same chance as hitting the lotto .
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 13, 2010 2:07 AM CST up reply actions
If we..
Could sign at least one of them,I will be amazed.
dl for next year (best possible with UFA)
Re Peppers, DT Wilfork, DT Harris, LE Kampman
Alex Brown and Richard Seymour also cycle
Lets continue
WLB Briggs MLB Urlacher Sam Dansby
Pisa backs up
CB Dunta Robinson CB Zach Bowman
FS Charles Tillman SS Al Afalava
A gazillion dollars
that’s what it would take to get all those guys, but wow, what a defense it would be. “Dream a little dream”
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
As was Hillenmeyer
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
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He could go back there too as far as I'm concerned.
Sending condolences and peaceful thoughts to the family and community of Gaines Adams.
+1000
Thank you Dane. The guy is way overratedand is holding up a roster spot..
" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-
Hunter is one of those guys
that definitely tries really hard, always gives 100%, and is very intelligent. That being said, he’s just not fit to be a starting ILB in my opinion.
One of the few bright spots we have on our roster is our set of LBs. Briggs, Urlacher, Roach, Pisa, Jamar, and possibly Shaw (he’s been learning WLB I believe)… we’ve got plenty of quality there for both stating roles and backups.
Hunter is a good backup if you only need him for a series or two here and there, and maybe even a full game if really needed. But, I just don’t think, despite his final game heroics, he is high enough quality to be an every day LB for the Bears.
Sending condolences and peaceful thoughts to the family and community of Gaines Adams.
Agree with you on everything
although I think I would rather have another special teamer ala Shaw fill a roster spot than Hunter. I think HH has been good player for us for a while but I can’t take him making tackles 6-7 yrds downfield every play this year. I need someone at the line making plays when the DLine ties up the Oline.
" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-
It's called scrappiness.
Guys who try really hard but still aren’t good are “scrappy”. It seems to apply mostly to fairly non-athletic white guys (see Theriot, Ryan) who garner a disproportianately large fan base despite their utter lack of talent or ability. When Hillenmeyer is cut loose, I think there will be a surprising number of people who will bemoan the decision as if we had cut a legend.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
by JerBear50 on Feb 17, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+2
Well said!
Crazy cat peekin’ through a lace bandanna
Hot damn!
That’s the first lyric I’ve gotten in awhile! And I’ve actually got them playing as we speak. Err, as we type? Whatever, you get the gist.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I chose Kamp
Mainly, because he has a “motor” that doesn’t stop. Peppers is like the Randy Moss of DEs; looks “all-world” one moment, and then sub-par the next. If he’s healthy, I’d rather have Kamp. Not only would be a significant upgrade, but would allow the Bears to address another starting position via free-agency….ie FS or RT.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
I'm surprised
I figured you as a Peppers over Kamp kinda fella…
I’d take Peppers, but be pleased either way…
I would be happy either way
but Peppers just seems to play too lackadaisically for my liking, and would hamper the team with a enourmous financial commitment.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
That is a big concern to me as well
but he is the most talented D lineman in the game (outside of Ware maybe). So is it worth giving him a shot?
" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-
Probably worth the risk
Especially considering the Bears organization is like an addicted gambler- their only option may be to go “all in” this season.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
addicted gambler!
+1
lmao! go for it!
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
A discussion about a highly talented DE who frequently disappears,
and a guy named RDent shows up. Who woulda thought??? :)
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Kampman definitely
Peppers is a better player but his ridiculous desire to not play hard the entire game is a negative. Kampman plays every down hard. I say we sign him.
I hope Marinelli
could light a fire under his arse!
Think kampman
might be a better fit than peppers…Have to remember the reason why kampmans numbers dropped was due to him playing out of position as OLB and dropping into coverage alot….Course one can not ignore the question of his injury though…..Still I think he would be a lot cheaper than peppers….
Only thing is that according to green bay news is that kampman wants to stay in green bay and green bay wants to keep….guess we will see….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
Israel Idonije
I am surprised Idonije isn’t mentioned more often when discussing pass rushers. I came accross this article a few days ago.
“http://profootballfocus.com/articles.php?tab=articles&arc=&id=92<a href="
This is my first post here. I am an old time steelers fan who only discovered football blogs this year.
Izzy is a local hero (I am from Manitoba) so I am always checking for articles about him. I am also following various young players with connections to Canada (i.e. Vaughn Martin, Jamaal Westerman and Cam Wake)
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 21, 2010 10:19 AM CST reply actions
I never realized that
Other than Izzy, I was only following people I knew were rookies in the 2009 season. I guess Wake isn’t quite in that group but I am nothing if not inconsistent.
I know there were a few others, including Corey Mace with Buffalo (whom our local team had on their negotiation list for several years) but so far they are all the guys I am following.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 21, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say 2 for the price of 1
instead of paying all the money to peppers.. go after kampman and Vanden Bosch.. bears would get more production out these two than just peppers
DL would look like this
kampman, idonoje, harris, vanden bosch
then maybe some money would be left over to sign Dunta from Houston.. and heck go after Rolle or Clark from Pitt.
that would be a sick defense
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