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Drinking the Mike Martz Kool-Aid

Wcg_thumb_notes_medium I admit it; I'm one of the guys with a lot of optimism about the hire of Mike Martz.  I've never liked Ron Turner; I always thought he showed very little creativity in his game-plan, halftime/in-game adjustments, and play calling.  Mike Martz was the architect for one of the best offenses the NFL has ever seen.  That kind of knowledge will help Jay Cutler and the rest of the Bears.  Martz's hire is not all unicorns and rainbows though.  He has personality/ego issues, passes too much, and his QB's tend to get hit a lot, to name a few.  I'll breakdown my thoughts on why this hire will elevate the Bears' offense to unseen levels in Chicago.  What do you think?  Poll below.

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Mike Martz helped turn around an awful 1998 Rams team (4-12) to 1999 Super Bowl Champions.  He was hired by Dick Vermeil before the '99 season to be the Offensive Coordinator.  Martz was previously the Quarterbacks Coach for the Redskins.  In just 1 off-season's work, the Rams went from 27th overall to 1st in the NFL.  Of course, Martz did not do this all by himself.  He had guys named Faulk, Warner, Bruce, Holt, Hakim, Proehl and more to run this offense. 

The Kaiser had a clever FanPost highlighting the similarity between some of those Rams with current Bears players.  The big question obviously is, will these Bears be able to produce like those Rams?  Faulk ('94, '95, & '98 w Indy) & Bruce ('96 w StL) were both Pro-Bowlers before Martz.  The Bears' have Pro-Bowlers in Hester & Knox, as returners though, not WR, and a Pro-Bowl season from Cutler, but that was with the Broncos

Will Devin Aromashodu, Earl Bennett, Johnny Knox & Devin Hester be able to do what Proehl, Hakim, Holt, and Bruce did?  I think they'll be closer than we think is possible when you add in the production we'll see from Olsen to the mix.

WHAT?!? But Martz doesn't use his Tight Ends?

In 1999, the immortal Roland Williams had 6 touchdown catches; Jeff Robinson had 2 more.  8 receiving touchdowns for TE's is not something to sneeze at.  In 2000 and 2001, his TE's had 3 & 6 receiving TD's respectively.  Martz clearly called plays in the Red Zone for his no name TE's.  His playbook has the plays.  I'm thinking a known "offensive genius" will figure out how to get the Bears TE's more involved in the overall offense.  Especially when one of those TE's (Olsen) is an athletic freak who can burn most safeties & LB's in 1-on-1 coverage.

But what about our running game you ask?  Martz doesn't like to run the ball!

Matt Forte is not Marshall Faulk.  Agreed.  Forte had 312 carries in 2008 (a year in which most agreed he had too many).  Last year he had 258 carries and was obviously injured for most of the year as evidenced by his having surgery.   Faulk had 253, 253, & 260 rushing attempts in the '99-'01 seasons.  Faulk also averaged 83+ receptions from '99-'01.  Forte does excel in the passing game though.  According to Football Outsider's DYAR and DVOA running back receiving stats, Forte ranked 2nd in the NFL to MJD in 2008 in DYAR & 8th in DVOA.  I figure our MF will be a lite version of theirs.  Figure Forte to return to his rookie year form.  He'll only get around 250 carries but will get 70+ receptions.

In 2009, the Bears had 563 pass attempts and 373 running attempts.  That's a 60/40 split.  We don't run the ball that much now (playing from behind kind of dictates that).  In 1999, the Rams had 530 pass attempts and 431 running attempts.  That's a 55/45 split.  In 2000, the Rams had 587 pass plays & 383 running plays for a 60/40 split.  In 2001, they had 551 pass plays & 416 running plays, for a 57/43 split.  The two teams in the Super Bowl, Indy & NO, have 62/38 & 54/46 splits respectively.  We can argue all day about what the optimum ratio should be, or why one team's is too high or too low.  Does running the ball a lot lead to victory, or does being ahead in the game lead to the winning team running more?  What these numbers tell me is that Martz is not some pass-whacky-chuck-it-all-over-the-field type.  He'll run the ball, if his team is any good.

But there it is.  If his team is any good.  In Detroit in 2006 & 2007, his pass/run ratios were 66/34 & 64/36.  In SF in 2008 it was 56/44 (I don't know the breakdown of before Iron Samurai Mike to after, but I know Iron Samurai Mike did fire him because he wanted to be more conservative on offense).  

I think the key to the Bears' offensive success lies on the Offensive Line.  Lester detailed everything about our O-line yesterday & I posted something a few weeks back about their stats.  The arrow for Omiyale is pointing up.  Same for Chris Williams.  Garza and Kreutz are solid and dependable.  Right Tackle (if Omiyale stays at LG) is up in the air.   Shaffer's the guy now, but he's no stud.  But with this bunch, Cutler's going to get killed in Martz's system!!!  Not so fast.

From 1999 - 2001, the Rams O-line gave up 33 (7th in the NFL), 44(21st), & 40(17th) sacks, respectively.  The Bears gave up 35(19th) sacks last year.  The Colts 13(1st) & the Saints 20(4th) were two of the best in the NFL in protecting their QB's.  Wow, those are ridiculously great numbers.  The Lions in '06 & '07 gave up 63 & 54 sacks.  SF gave up 55 in 2008.  Good teams protect the QB, bad teams usually don't.  Martz's good teams did OK, his bad teams were really bad at protecting the QB.  Martz has not had a scrambling QB like Jay though, and we don't really know how that's going to affect things.  The Bears offensive line is just mediocre at protecting Jay.  I think they are improving, and will be better next year.  We'll see.  Whether Martz is the O.C. or some other guy, if the Bears offensive line fails, the offense will fail.  I really believe that if the offensive line plays well, Martz will be able to use Cutler & the rest of the guys to score a lot of points.

Now let's talk about the personality/ego issues.  Martz has a bad reputation around the league.  Surly, curmudgeon, and jackass are just some of the words that come to mind.  Everybody will no doubt be on their best behavior in the offseason & preseason.  The real test will come when the team faces some adversity.  I do know that few people believe in this crew.  In sports, the cliché of "nobody believed in us, except us" gets thrown around a lot.  I think it will definitely apply to our 2010 Bears.  Is that belief powerful enough to overcome some pretty strong, ingrained personalities?  I've never met Mike Martz, and I'm guessing most of you haven't either.  None of us know him well enough to understand his motivation to succeed and willingness to do what is necessary, or even recognize what is necessary, to win.  Will it all work out?  Your guess is as good as mine.

So what did this 1,200+ word dissertation mean?  The Chicago Bears 23rd ranked offense will be better next year.  I have no doubt about that.  With Cutler, Olsen, Forte, Hester, DA, etc, they have some weapons, all on the upside of their careers.  I think Martz is a very good offensive mind who will be able to figure out how to put it all together.   I expect to see better game plans, and much better in-game adjustments.  Will the Bears have the #1 offense?  No, they won't.  But they will improve at least 10 spots in my humble opinion (I figure about a 50 yds/game improvement).

Now the defense is whole different story; we'll save that for another day.

Poll
What will Martz's effect on the Bears' offense be?
Great! Huge stat improvements for team & players.
185 votes
Good. Cutler's numbers improve, rest see marginal bump, some lack of cohesion seen on O-line & at WR.
287 votes
No Change. This is the Bears we're talking about. We don't have the horses to run Martz's offense properly.
41 votes
Gets Worse. Still too many INTs, WR's don't know the offense, O-line still has issues.
57 votes
Catastrophic Failure. Martz fired after 2-6 start. Cutler arrested for assault.
33 votes

603 votes | Poll has closed

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Very nice summary.

I took away two key points: The skill players on our offense are good enough for Martz to work some magic. The offense’s success almost completely hinges now on the quality and effectiveness of our O Line.

Nice research too.

by The Kaiser on Feb 3, 2010 10:22 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

The offense's success hinges on how quickly our WRs can learn the playbook.

Devin Hester finally got comfortable with the old playbook in year 3. Earl Bennett didn’t see the field his rookie year, because he hadn’t mastered the playbook yet… and ditto for Juaquin Iglesias this year.

And apparently, rumors last week were that the coaching staff wasn’t comfortable with Aromashodu’s grasp of the playbook. So… which is the problem? Are we collecting slow learners? Or do we have bad teachers?

My bet is on bad teachers. Earl Bennett went to friggin Vanderbilt. They don’t compromise on academics at Vanderbilt.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Feb 3, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I think all that

had more to do with ron turner not wanting to play rookies (he and harry heistand stated that on more than one occasion) more and blaming the WR for not learning his playbook to his liking…..

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."

- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season

by CloudyFuture on Feb 3, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

And like I said... my bet is on the teachers.

Our teachers sucked balls. And, we still have D Drake coaching our WRs, because he hugs Lovie’s nuts.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Feb 3, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

too funny...

"Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate." ~Vince Lombardi

by Fire Ron Turner on Feb 3, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

homophobia is fickin’ hilarious.

comments that imply gay = incompetent REALLY make me laugh too.

There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons

by Allie on Feb 3, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I took the comment

as cronyism moreso than homophobia, but to each his own…

by torch on Feb 3, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

So, if I say D Drake kisses Lovie's ass...

I guess I’m implying they’re both homesexual also?

Geez… lighten up, and realize the context, instead of defending gay politics.

Can’t even call someone a brown nose these days without an interruption for a special service announcement.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Feb 3, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

+ 1

Women can be nut huggers too, so it cannot be a homophobic statement.

by Ryan21 on Feb 3, 2010 1:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Brown nose = sucking balls?

Huh.

Why is it people can’t say “he’s too much of a friend to be fired” or something plain?

And its not about gay politics. Its about not being a jackass. You’re old enough to say what you mean, do it.

Homophobia (and sexism too, but homophobia actually offends me more even though I’m a straight girl) runs rampant through sports in general. There are phrases that people don’t even think about that perpetuate that “gay = incompetent or nonathletic or other unflattering characteristic”.

See, NOW I’m a public service announcement. But the meatheads take over if someone doesn’t say it.

There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons

by Allie on Feb 3, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Reminds me of THIS and THIS. ;)

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Feb 3, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

i was convinced you were gonna rick-roll me there

:-P

There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons

by Allie on Feb 3, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha.

Nah. But that does remind me that I haven’t RR’d my boss in a while!

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Feb 3, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

What if everytime something was bad or lame, you said,

" That’s so guy writing on a Bears blog with a self-appointed clever nickname " Not so funny now, huh? :P

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Feb 3, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

awesome…..awesome….

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."

- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season

by CloudyFuture on Feb 3, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Golfers Clap

That was wonderful!

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Feb 3, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I am offended by, "meathead"

You can’t just pick and choose Allie, play by your own rules.

by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 3, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you!

I found it when I first joined and kept it ever since. :]

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Feb 3, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Using the term

“lame” in a derogatory manner is insensitive to those who are physically challenged.

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by spleensplitter on Feb 3, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate "PC" crap.

Words only have as much power as you choose to give them. If you want to find something offensive you will. Telling someone they’re as cute implies weakness, saying a woman is handsome implies she’s “butch”. Look at the intent of the word and not the word itself. Language changes and so does the meaning behind the word. Gay used to mean happy, now that’s gone. Why can’t I be gay without being the butt of jokes? Because homophobia took that word away from society and warped it. Bitch used to refer to a female dog and shit was/is a common term for manure among farmers but PC people decided these terms were “vulgar” or “offensive”. Language shifts as does the connotations associated with certain words. Case in point; If a vacuum cleaner “sucked” would you buy it? Think about it…..

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Feb 3, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely agree.

My only real issue is the intent behind the words, not necessarily the actual phrases being used.

Nice rant below.

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Feb 4, 2010 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh and I am completely fagged out by this whole conversation.

I hope the Bears future is gay but it may well suck. Cutler may be the next big thing for the Bears if his progress isn’t retarded by Martz’s molestation of his skills. You know, crippling him by over analyzing his disabilities on the field. Meanwhile if the Bears ownership continues with its niggardly tendencies I don’t think we’ll sign any fine ass free agents and will have to settle for busts. But I’ll stay abreast of the situation as best as I can. Keep stealing my words and I’ll steal them back.

Sincerely,
A Cunning Linguist

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Feb 3, 2010 9:29 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Nice!

You are not only a cunning linguist but one of the many master debaters on this forum!

This is beginning to get out of hand. ;)

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by spleensplitter on Feb 4, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Lol.

Good point, but I was just making a joke. I did not mean it in the derogatory sense – just trying to parody those videos. Sorry if I offended you! :]

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Feb 3, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol

I was just messsin’ with ya’. :)

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by spleensplitter on Feb 4, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought you might've been,

but I wasn’t for sure, so I made sure to cover my tracks! Lol. :]

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by HoneyBear on Feb 4, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

That was great,

I can’t even tell that Dave is a teacher…lol : )

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 4, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

they were making

bennett learn all the routes for x,y,and z…its not that he isnt smart its that he had too much to learn.

Bring back our honey bears...sick and tired of hearing about the dallas cowboy cheerleaders and the bars they go work at when they quit. cold weather + cheerleaders in skimpy outfits = lots of fun

by tomh115 on Feb 3, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I too am cautiously optimistic

I think we need a RT in FA for sure to help shore up the line and then I will feel better about this. I am much more concerned with our defense for 2010. I may be in the minority here but I would like the bears to look into trading away Greg Olsen while his value is high for a 2nd – 3rd rd pick in the upcoming draft. Martz system is a little light on the TE usage in we could use another pick for a guard or future center. I think Clark/Davis could fill in fine in this scheme.

" Former Original WCG Power Poster!"

by tfrabotta on Feb 3, 2010 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

The Right Tackles for Martz in St.Louis were...

1999 Fred Miller
2000 & 01 Ryan Tucker
2002 John St. Clair
2003 Kyle Turley
2004 Grant Williams / Blaine Saipaia
2005 Alex Barron

Do the Bears circa 2010 have guys that are on par with this group? The only one that was ever playing at a high Pro Bowl type level was Turley a few years prior to his time in St.Louis.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 3, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't trade Olsen

He’s young and he is only improving, if you trade him for a pick he’s going to go somewhere else and be a stud. I saw on ESPN’s rumor mill that Olsen might get traded, but since I’m not an insider I couldn’t read the article, I hope it was all speculation. Olsen is a good player.

"My ficas tree could call plays better than Ron Turner." - My Dad

by GallopingGhost on Feb 3, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Just a specuatlion article

by some guy stating that the Bears should trade Olsen to the pats for one of their 2nd round picks (they have 3) since martz never ever uses his TEs…..

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."

- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season

by CloudyFuture on Feb 3, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Honestly...

If the Bears could get value for Olsen, I wouldn’t mind they trading him…

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 3, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

to Miami

For a 1st round pick cause they wanna draft a TE. I don’t think we will win or lose a Super Bowl because a tight end.

by Ryan21 on Feb 3, 2010 1:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting

And if that happened what would the Bears do with a 2nd round pick? OL, WR,…?

I personally like the idea of using him in single set, three wide formations, moving him around to create mismatches. He may not be the best blocker but he’s certainly a better blocker than most WR’s. Plus, Jay likes him. :)

It doesn’t really make sense to me that the Bears “concede” a former 1st rounder for a 2nd rounder. It might be wise to keep what we’ve got.

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by spleensplitter on Feb 3, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Also

Norv Turner runs a variation of this offense and Gates had 79 receptions for 1157 yards in 2009. And while they aren’t the exact same scheme, I’m sure Martz could make some adjustments to include Olsen more in the passing game.

by Rjt77 on Feb 3, 2010 11:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

RT

Get a LG and move Omiyale to RT, his natural spot, problem solved.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Feb 3, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

As far as the run/pass ratio...

The most important thing is being able to run, when you need to run. It’s easy for teams to run out of passing formations when the defense is playing nickel.

But, can you run on short yardage and convert? Can you run in the 4th quarter to chew clock and secure a win? That’s on the O-line… and for the past two years, our O-line has failed in those situations. Personnel is the issue there. Not play calling.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Feb 3, 2010 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

Football Outsider's has a stat for just that: Power Success
Power Success: Percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown. Also includes runs on first-and-goal or second-and-goal from the two-yard line or closer.

Rams numbers for ‘99-’01 (rank in parenthesis): 60% (15th), 79% (1st), 70% (7th)
The Bears in 2008, 2009: 63% (20th), 58% (25th) Top 10 in ’09 was 68% up to 79% for 1st.

The Bears O-line does indeed need to improve in this area. 70%+ success rate should be the target.

by Mike Mueller on Feb 3, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep... I've viewed those numbers in the past.

We needed to improve after 2008, and we didn’t… we got worse.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Feb 3, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

While I am starting to warm up

to the martz hire just a little bit…I do think Forte, DA, Bennett, Knox and Olsen will be fine….I think they will be able to take the offense pretty well….I mean there is talent on the offensive side of the ball….

It is the o line that I am more worried about and why I didnt like the hire and that the offense will fall apart….det did not have an oline and look at what happened there….san frans o line was avg and they still gave up 55 sacks….and its not like the Bears can go out and sign FA or draft players to fix the o line in a hurry…..

Guess we will see….

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...."

- Jay Cutler to Ron Turner during the season

by CloudyFuture on Feb 3, 2010 10:51 AM CST reply actions  

I think my "optimism" button is broken

I see no or little improvement. Crap O-line (who is RT? can CW actually play?), new system when WRs seemed to finally sorta grasp the old one (is DA for real or just a flash in the pan? can Hester be more than just a fast guy? can Olsen manage not to suck for half the season?)

But… i guess we’ll see. Can’t wait for everyone (and probably me too) to rave during OTAs and Camp about how good everyone looks… but I do not have a whole lot of faith that things will ACTUALLY improve.

There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons

by Allie on Feb 3, 2010 10:51 AM CST reply actions  

With all the talk on the "new system" bieng so complicated

At every stop he’s had, the offenses made drastic improvements. The jury’s still out on these Bears, but were the 49er and Lion receivers really that much better than the group the Bears have?

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 3, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

As I said

my optimism is broken. Has been ever since I realized they weren’t going to fire Lovie & Angelo to start over around Jay.

So even if this “works”, its a short term fix at best. I mean sure he could net us a championship with this explosive (and competent) offense, but I don’t see any long term success happening with it. And think it more likely that Jared Allen kills Jay than SB45, but I guess we never know.

Contending for one year is great, if you win… but I’d rather be like the Colts or Pats or Eagles who make the playoffs nearly every year.

There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons

by Allie on Feb 3, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

seeing as how Hester had problems with Turner's playbook

I don’t think he’s going to excel with Martz’s monstrosity. Even Bennett had issues learning Turner’s predictable offense, but he also improved over the course of the season and I think he’ll be just fine in Martz’s system.

Still, Hester is probably going to have issues as he still doesn’t know how to run a route other than a fade and he’s going to be counted on as a big part of this offense. Olsen is going to have to be a factor as well. And unless the Bears and the Chicago park district can agree to change the god awful sod into field turf – this offense will be stuck in the mud.

by junkhorse on Feb 3, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I am starting to buy in a bit

This post helped me with the numbers about some of the “myths” around Martz’s system. I still think though that it will be one extreme or the other with no in between. I am seeing either 10-6 or 6-10.

"My ficas tree could call plays better than Ron Turner." - My Dad

by GallopingGhost on Feb 3, 2010 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

I'm glad someone actually chose Catastrophic Failure in the poll

But what is your reasoning? (If in fact, this happen, this website will have no shortage of material for posts & discussion.)

by Mike Mueller on Feb 3, 2010 11:04 AM CST reply actions  

Need a photoshop smudgers

of a beat-up Martz with a Cutler mug shot…just in case it all blows up.

by Mike Mueller on Feb 3, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

if it blows up, you may be able to find real unedited photos of this event. ;)

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Feb 3, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Photoshop from Kruetz beating up Fred Miller

Or Zambrano punching out Michael Barrett :)

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Feb 3, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

If we're going baseball as well...

why not Farnsworth picking dude up and slamming him. He wasn’t worth a crap as a pitcher, but that was text book.

by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 3, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice Post

I’d be interested to know what average yards after the catch are in Martz’s system. It seems like an asset with our speedy receivers is to hit them full stride with a chance to make a play—a realization often murmured but never realized this last year.

by EvilKaramazov on Feb 3, 2010 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

What's up with Kellen Davis?

He seemed to start strong, had some TD’s, then disappeared. He is also huge. Can’t they teach the guy to pass protect? Seems to me he could really add value if used correctly in a well-designed passing attack.

by Shuffle85 on Feb 3, 2010 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

Lack of imagination is what happened.

He started well, because he was on the field for an injured Dez Clark. But, then we didn’t get him back on the field enough, even though he created mismatches.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Feb 3, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Ron Turner could see no use for a guy who’s 6’7".

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
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"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Feb 3, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Bingo

Teach Davis and trade Olsen for a pick to use on an Olineman..

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by tfrabotta on Feb 3, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Or you know

keep teaching Davis so that you can have him to spell/compete with Olsen when Clark hangs ‘em up. He’s old and starting to break down… he’s not going to play much longer.

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by Allie on Feb 3, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa Mule!

Not to be ticky tacky but that would be Samurai Mike, not Iron Mike.

My Kool-Aid glass is half-full. I see Forte excelling for the simple reason that the new playbook will (should) be predicated upon getting him the ball in space which is his, well…uh, forte.

Good info! Thanks!

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"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by spleensplitter on Feb 3, 2010 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

Stop thinking about Rams

Ok you people that are drinking that Kool-aid stop thinking about the Rams when trying to predict the success of the Bears. Yet, if you are considering the Rams, don’t forget Lions and 49ers, offenses that didn’t do much because of his stubbornness. The Rams had players that could have made Ron Turner look like a genius. Obviously the Bears do not have the players to effectively run any offense and probably will not pick up a few to make any offense work. After being bamboozled by the acquisition of Cutler, Jay is a good QB, but with no Marshall, Sheaffer, Oline or Royal, the Bears were a pathetic offense. Bring the focus back to what the Chicago Bears were over the course of 2009 from that point if Angelo and Lovie bring in margin offensive players, expect the same results.

by Soloistic on Feb 3, 2010 12:54 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed - the Rams had a high football IQ

and the Bears don’t … at least the playmakers don’t. Oh right, the Rams had playmakers too.

by junkhorse on Feb 3, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

the sod in Soldier Field will be a factor in how Martz game plans

Maybe not huge but significant.

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by Maelvampyre on Feb 3, 2010 1:53 PM CST reply actions  

Mike Martz should make the Bears offense better...

and, while I personally hate the guy, I think he makes sense as the OC in this situation. My largest worry about Martz is not if/how he will improve the offense. My concern is about what happens when the defense, under Lovie’s “guidance” again in 2010, falls apart. I foresee the offense improving a little if Tice and Martz can get the o-line fixerated up right. Hopefully this takes some of the pressure off the defense, but if the defense, like I expect, fails miserably once again in 2010, the potential train wreck of a coaching staff Lovie has assembled may come off the rails and make for an epic disaster. Martz is very much like TO, when things are going well they are top tier talent; but when they start to get scrutinized by the media, they respond disproportionately and drag down the entire team in the process.
I wish Martz all the best and I cannot wait to see the new offense will look/perform. However, unless Lovie can turn around the defense, 2010 will be a bigger disappointment than 2009.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Feb 3, 2010 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

At least they will have Urlacher and Pisa back.

If they can both stay healthy, there’s a real good chance they will be better than last year.

by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Feb 3, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

This does make me feel better about Martz

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Feb 3, 2010 2:29 PM CST reply actions  

You never liked Ron Turner, but Martz is okay ?

NEWSFLASH
++++++++++++
Ron Turner ran the Gillman/Coryell offense. Pass opens up the run etc. Mike Martz runs which offense ? Gillman/Coryell. Ta – daaa !!!!

by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 4, 2010 1:12 AM CST reply actions  

One has had more success than t’other.

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"I don’t care if Belichick wins twenty Super Bowls. He’s an asshole." - Da Coach
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Feb 4, 2010 2:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Ron Turner didn't call games imo...

worth a crap. Jury is still out on Martz, although I do think he will be more creative.

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 4, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrong!

Ron Turner’s O was way more West Coast oriented. Maybe you are thinking of his bro, Norv?

by ChiLobo#23 on Feb 4, 2010 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

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