Coaching Staff Overflow Thread-Super Weekend Edition
by Kev H on Feb 5, 2010 10:34 PM CST
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PrintNormally, you try to make announcements you think might be unpopular on Friday afternoon. The general thinking is that it will just sort of escape past people as they get into the weekend.
Didn't work with you guys and gals, though.
You've been discussing up a storm, and here's the place to keep on doing just that. Some reactions from around the Chicago sports scene below.
David Haugh is not impressed by this decision:
As inspired of a choice as Mike Martz was to run the offense, the selection of Marinelli falls flat; this might even be a bigger risk than Martz will be.
Kevin Seifert of ESPN feels the same:
I don't mind telling you that I see no upside in promoting Rod Marinelli to defensive coordinator.
I dug up this little guy from Dan Pompei about Mikal Smith (Since, much like most of you, I have no concept of who he is or what he does):
Mikal is serving as an assistant to the head coach and he’s also helping his father with the nickel defense.
Smith had been a defensive backs coach and special teams coordinator at Trinity International in Deerfield.
I'll be honest...I thought the day would never come when I'd have more confidence in the offensive coaching than the defensive, but....wow. This is going to take some time to sink in.
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Change we can believe in...
Phillips: To bring in two new coordinators is quite a massive change.
Angelo: We’re in a business of evolvement. There’s no more status quo in our league.
Angelo: We’ll do a better job given there will be new coaches, new energy. We’ll do a little better job of evaluations.
After the rant...
just felt like the last comment should stay on the same page.
Walter Payton lives on!!!
by monsterman34 on Feb 6, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
No new coaches=no new energy
There will be no evolvement on the defensive side of the ball. Status quo was invented by the clowns at Halas Hall and the McCaskey’s.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Bogus!
Bears front office are stupid, Marinelli showed little progress to deserve this promotion….
The way all this went down...
just feels like there’s a whole lot of weird stuff going on behind the scenes. The message around the coaching searches has been inconsistent and bordering on deceptive. I don’t dislike Marinelli, or Martz, or Smith per se as coaches, but the WAY they’re doing things right now really, really bothers me for a reason I can’t put my finger on…. I just feel like, as a fan, the last laugh’s going to be on me.
by DisCUBbobulated on Feb 5, 2010 10:49 PM CST reply actions
You can go with just Kev
saying “Kev H” sounds weird
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Thanks, just Kev.
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by David Taylor on Feb 6, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
No problem Kev..
why didn’t you just leave out the H then?
Walter Payton lives on!!!
by monsterman34 on Feb 6, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a little curious about all of these contracts...
Do the contracts of all of these new/promoted coaches run alongside Lovie’s tenure or are we on the hook for multiple years? What happens if they release Lovie? I’m under the impression that when you release the head coach, you pretty much release the entire staff or keep the up and comers…
"You're never a loser until you quit trying." --Mike Ditka
by And_Ditka_Is_His_Prophet--- on Feb 6, 2010 6:40 AM CST reply actions
IIRC
martz signed a 2 year deal….when Marenilli and Hoke were hired it was a 3 yr deal so I believe everyone is up till after the 2011 season except for Dave Toub who is on contract after the 2010 season….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
and Toub is the only one
we are all in agreement on that should stick around
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 8, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
What can I say....
I knew we were in trouble when that one coach chose the Raiders over the Bears…. How dysfunctional do the Bears have to be to make the Raiders look like a coaching paradise?
DeMaurice Smith (sp?) (union pres.) said chances of a lockout,
on a scale from 1 to 10…was 14. Maybe this made up their minds to stay within the org. Why throw $$$$ at someone else, when your new DC can already be on the payroll?
by Mike Mueller on Feb 6, 2010 7:35 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Impending lockout
allows the Bears to do what they do best….stay ultra-conservative.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
This is a prime example...
of why Lovie has GOT to be fired. He cannot be a good head coach when he chooses to have too much of a handle on the defense. Marinelli will simply be the figurehead and Lovie will again call the defense and again it will be a miserable failure. Any spark that Martz may yet provide to the offensive game plan is now utterly negated. Lovie is a terrible DC (and HC for that matter) and picks terrible coaches to run HIS defense. The only consolation is the Bears will be rid of him by season’s end! His only chance to succeed in 2010 was to let a strong DC run a version of HIS beloved Tampa2. Now, the season is lost. I predict now he will be fired BEFORE the end of the season.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
PFT REPORTS THAT TORRY HOLT WILL BE CUT MONDAY!
If this doesn’t have Bears free agent signing written all over it…
You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes.
I think Holt is a shell of his old self...
But he can teach our young guys and it is Martz’s guy. I wouldn’t mind it.
and isaac bruce could be a free agent...
getting the band back together!
This would qualify as our yearly signing of a has been Ram.
Ya no kidding
they can put Pace back at LT and bring Faulk out of retirement…..Suuupppeeerrrr Booowwwwllll….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I really could see them signing Holt or Bruce.
That is very sad
Walter Payton lives on!!!
by monsterman34 on Feb 6, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
At this point
its almost a guarantee IMO….probably bruce….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Sad , Why ????
Either on would bring a veteran presence to our WR’s and more importantly either could help our WR’s pick up Martz’s system more quickly . I would prefer Holt but either will do .
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 6, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
I would imagine
That it takes away playing time from another “younger” player with more upside (Knox, Hester, Bennett, or DA) since both of these players are at the end of their career and might not help the Bears as much as one would think….The last time the Bears tried to add a “veteran” presence it did not work (lloyd and booker)….
Still I would not be surprised if one is added just to “help out” though would they want to “help out” or want to “play” (ie start)….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
Sad would be right
We have enough ST only players on the roster. We can’t keep yet another WR spot for someone who’s main purpose isn’t playing WR. Hire him as an assistant WR coach or something. At least one of them has to have come to the realization that their playing days are over.
I'd rather be the team to give Donte Stallworth a second chance.
He’s younger than Holt but still a veteran presence.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Hoke
would’ve been a better hire (promotion) than Marinelli; at least he has experience as a DC at UofF. This is a desperation move to the Nth degree. It tells us fans and media that Lovie had no plan B. It was Fewell or bust. It also informs us that he lied, and had no intention of “evolving” his defense. I see absolutely no improvement from this group cause the Bears won’t spend money on FAs, nor will they be able to draft an impact player come late April.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
I agree
or concur or what ever…..Guess it made to much sense maybe….Marinelli made a decent improvement to the line….now who knows how much work he will get in with them now that he is DC….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
I just wonder why.....
they waited so long to announce it. Logically you would have expected them to interview another coach, since Fewell was the only DC interview. Oh, right…….logically…..
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 7, 2010 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
As a Lions fan
I’m sorry to see this inflicted on you guys.
To quote the old arcade game SmashTV – ‘Good Luck! You’ll Need It!’
OC and DC
Aren’t these the guys that got the Lion’s to 0 and 16? Well, at least this will be the last year for Smith.
Not quite
Marinelli was responsible for 0-16, but Martz wasn’t. They were 7-9 his last year.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Feb 6, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
And
3-13 in his first year….still I think martz might be able to squeeze 8 wins maybe 9…though I think 9 wins saves Lovies job….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
have to remember tho
they started 6-2 that season. it was after the defense collapsed (aka marinelli) that they fell to 7-9. The offense put up huge number under Martz that year
Makin' Copies
Well
the defense did collapse….as they won games by getting turnovers and when those didnt come it was hard on the defense….
so marienlli wanted to run a more clock efficient offense (ie more running) because the defense was getting gassed and exposed from martz passing 60% + of the time…marinelli did not want the defense on the field that often cause he knew it was the weak link……
martz did not listen and eventually martz and the coaching staff and even some of the players got into constant arguments over how the offense was run….expect that to happen here should the Bears start losing….I would imagine anyways….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
They were dead last in points allowed
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
well it didnt help the defense
that the offense was dead last in TOP….Thus leaving the defense out there longer, thus exposing them more, so giving up more points….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
I'm afraid
that’s going to be the story of the Bears in ’10.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
graveyard
The Bears have become the elephant’s graveyard of NFL head coaches, you know, where they go to die.
I actually think Marinelli was the best choice given that Lovie Smith was going to stay for another year.
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
Add that to the list of graveyards
Where WRs go to die…..where QBs carry a dark cloud over their heads…..where the franchise is run like a business in the ‘40s/’50s…..where conservative coaches talk themselves into corners…
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Maybe after this fails we can get Tony Dungy as GM
I know not many people here like him. But he is great at building a team. I believe if we did this we could be back on top of the NFC north and eventually the league. Just putting my 2 cents out there.
Man
I hope this comes true.
I woldn’t like Dungy as coach, but i’d like him as A GM.
He has a nose for talent.
BEAR DOWN!!
Sorry
but if dungy were to GM the Bears I can not see him firing his buddy Lovie…..Not to mention that pollian put all the colts teams together….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
And Tampa? I believe he can do a better job than JA.(which isn't saying much)
I also believe even Tony has his limits to losing. I’m sure he could at least get the pieces in place in less than 2 years. But as I stated before that’s just my 2 cents.
Rich McKay
built the bucs then later hired dungy to HC the team….When dungy couldnt get “over the hill” to win a title he hired gruden….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Ok but do you deny
That he could do a better job than JA?
I can do
a better job than Angelo…..
At least I can in madden….lol….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah if I could run the team like I do in madden
We’d win every year. If it was only that easy. Either way I see this being a long season. I hope for the best. But I expect the worst since we really haven’t changed a thing. If coaches don’t want to come here. How much will we have to pay players to even think about coming here?
to Answer the question
seriously though….yes he could….but Like I stated if Dungy was hired to be GM there is no way they he fires one of his best friends Lovie….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yes but Tony being a great mentor to players and coaches
I’m sure he would help Lovie put the right coaches in place to make his “buddy” look like a great coach.
More like Jimbo Harbaugh!
Dungy is staying retired to spend time with his living family members. How about Ditka as GM! But something tells me Mike Mckaskey will never let that happen.
I hope the McKaskeys swallow their pride and admit their mistakes
and let Ditka come back to work for the team.
Well...
The GM might not do it, but the McCaskeys will have to.
True about polian. But i’m sure Dungy had something to do with that.
All his previous teams had good draft classes (Tampa and Indy)
BEAR DOWN!!
Rich McKay
helped put those teams together….Incidentally he was helped by one of his “top scouts” Jerry Angelo…..
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
One thing
I dont understand people freaking out over is hiring his son as “quality control” assistant….Apparently his son wants to coach and his dad is a HC in the NFL….
I mean buddy ryan hired his sons to coach…..don shula and shannahan as well…..
He has connection to get his foot in the door so be it….Not like he is going to call the defense or anything….Like Lovie would let anyone else call his defense anyways…..
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
Either way
How was no defensive coaches fired seriously. At least the O showed signs of life againist good teams.
Makes no sense does it.
That’s our organization, we should be used to it. All the years of BS!!
Walter Payton lives on!!!
by monsterman34 on Feb 6, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I don't get it either.
I just hope for the best. But hey if could be worse. At least we have one of the best teams ever in the 85 Bears. I figure some day the Bears will wise up and be back on top. Thats why I keep the faith. Even though I dislike what Lovie and CO are putting out there.
Well
Lovie crew is pretty much all on the defensive side of the ball….well except for drake and spencer so they were safe no matter what….
Lovie and Angelo needed to blame someone for theme not making the playoffs….They were not going to blame the defense cause that would mean they would have to fire the HC….so the only logical candidate was turner (minus lovies buddies of course)….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah that is the reason I think I dislike Lovie so much.
He never hires who is qualified. Just who he knows best. It is really starting to piss me off.
Well nothing can be done about it
Unless all Bear fans across the nation “donate” 500 dollars to CloudyFuture….I promise to make changes…..
But eh who knows maybe they can turn it around and they go 11-5 next season…..or they flame out and go 5-11 and everyone is gone at the end of the 2010 season….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
Yeah
I just hope the CBA and NFL can agree so there is no strike.
I can not see
the NFL having a lock out….I do think the owners are making it hard now because they want to clear out some contracts and the only way to do that is to have an uncapped year in 2010…..
I just think that it would be unwise to have a the most popular sport in the USA to suffer any set back….the owners are mostly smart business men..I think they are aware of that……I think they will work something out mid season in 2010….My guess anyways….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
I agree
And I hope the lockout doesn’t happen. But as we all know anything can happen. I’m pretty sure that something will be agreed on. Either way I hope we use this offseason of a uncapped year to our advantage since we are one of the top income teams of the NFL.(wishful thinking)
I agree.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
I'll tell you what
if the Bears don’t win this up-coming season we better get a wholesale house cleaning for 2011. It’s a shame because deep down I believe the the Tampa-2 has run hits course.
It’s done – time to move forward. Go Bears!
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Agreed.
But tampa 2 or any coaching sceme is only as good as the coach calling the plays.
Opponents Catch-up
Systems must evolve because your opponents aren’t standing still.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
by DaHamsta on Feb 6, 2010 10:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Feb 6, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
In other sad news
Richard Dent won’t be in the HOF….again
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
my favorite part of this...
So you don’t want to be the defensive coordinator Rod? Too bad we are going to force it down your throat anyway.
Yeah...
god forbid we could interview someone from a winning org. who is actually interested in the job. No instead we will just create the lions 2.0. I wonder what job they have in store for Matt Millan.
Our next GM.
When we finally fire Angelo.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I'm hoping
that this is just the McCaskey’s penny pinching as usual…promoting Rod as DC that is; and that the extra money saved by this tight wallet organization will be used to get a halfway decent free agent…Julius Peppers probably isn’t a realistic free signing but Kampman sure is.
Though I’d be very surprised if the Bears are agressive in FA but who knows?
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Feb 7, 2010 1:40 AM CST reply actions
I don't know what I think of all this...
I’ve read everyone’s comments, and while almost everyone is being so negative about it, I can’t help but wonder if it might not be the end of the world. I want to just wait and see what happens – who knows, maybe these people might all work really well together and we have a good year. I’m not throwing ’em out just yet.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
I try to stay positive
but Marinelli’s recent promotion tells me a couple of important things (conservatism reigns supreme again)- the Bears won’t be trying to “evolve” the defense because Rod is just being controlled by the puppet-master. Also, free-agency needs to net a starter or two based on not having their first two draft picks. JA has already stated he like the roster and doesn’t see big changes on offense. How can getting a new RT not mean “big” changes? If they go into next season with Shaffer slated as a starter they’re in big, big trouble. DE is just as major of a concern as RT, and it seems to me they’re banking on Gilbert and Melton to fill in for the Adams loss. Briggs the other day was petitioning for Peppers; grant it, he’d cost a boat load of money, but they’re in a “win now” mode and can’t afford another losing season with the proverbial window closing. Idk- I guess we’ll see what happens next month when free-agency begins.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
After the cool down period,
I hope they kickass next year first and foremost. But, if that should not happen, I would rather see them do terrible than mediocre so that Lovie and company will be flushed properly at the end of the season.
Walter Payton lives on!!!
if they do bad
lovie and crew are gone and we get a high 1st round pick to help the next coach out
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Why does everyone want Harbaugh?
He’d bring back Turner with him, haha.
by Sam Householder on Feb 7, 2010 11:40 PM CST reply actions
i'm convinced
Lovie Smith is secretly a Packer fan…
I won't pile on, there....
Not when Lovie has the only winning record against GB that we’ve seen since Da Coach. Soft in the head? Maybe. Packers fan? Nah…..
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
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