Monday Morning Hangover Open Thread
The Saints did it. Here's your Monday open thread to talk about the game, the teams, the players. Exit Question: What did you see that convinces you that the Bears are close or are they even further away?
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Things needed to win the SB.
Franchise QB: check (obviously Brees > Cutler right now, but we do have a Franchise QB)
Opportunistic Defense: semi-check (NO gave up 433 yards of offense, but got the big turnover to ice the game. This is the kind of defense Lovie teaches, we just don’t have all the players to run it right now.)
Big Special Teams play: check (Bears strength)
Coach with a big set of huevos: NOPE (not in a million years could I see Lovie calling an onside kick to start the 2nd half in a Super Bowl.)
I could see him calling a squib kick to lose a game.
Oh, wait, I did once.
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
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by Kev H on Feb 8, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like your list
But I’d add “Solid Offensive Line.” Those lines yesterday gave their QBs all day to throw (most of the night anyway).
Yes, I forgot to add that.
Solid Offensive Line: NOPE
by Mike Mueller on Feb 8, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
400 ex NFL head coaches. Check.
Price Check on aisle BOOM.
by Ditkavsworld on Feb 8, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefully Martz can influence the Huevos of Lovie
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I thought that was how he got the job in the first place...
by ClawsClawsClaws on Feb 8, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's all about the O-Line
Stabilize that and the Bears could make the playoffs
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 8, 2010 11:01 AM CST reply actions
Big +1
Trenches win games. O linemen and D linemen can make a mediocre QB great and a great QB mediocre.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Look at all the dynasty teams......
Pittsburgh in the ’70s? Great lines on both sides…. ’70s Bears? Losing decade with poor lines.
49ers of the ’80s? Great Lines again….. ’80s Bears? SB XX, and the best winning decade since before the merger and the Best D line Chicago has offered, and a great O line lead by Hingenberg, Covert and Van Horn.
’90’s ‘Boys? Arguably the best offensive line ever assembled and a hell of a d-line, too. See 70’s………with a couple of excepted season’s
’00s Pats? More of the same. Bears? More of the same, too.
People can call the QB the most important position all they want, but ask Tom Brady how great he felt with the Giants stealing his lunch money all day at Super Bowl XLII or Brad Johnson how it felt to throw 2 TDs while watching Rich Gannon get mauled by Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp in Super Bowl XXXVII.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Jim Caldwell=Lovie Smith
I thought Caldwell was severly outcoached. Huge 4th down stop with almost 2 mins to go and they don’t even try to push the ball downfield? If they score after that stop, that would have demoralized the Saints. Instead, the Colts play Bears football and the Saints are able to get a FG right before the half.
Why did they stop going to Addai? He was getting busy and then they stopped gettin him the ball. Couldn’t understand that. They could have sustained some drives and kept Brees off the field because he was picking that soft zone apart all night.
Why couldn’t the Colts have played that poorly when they played the Bears in the superbowl?
The Colts didn't play particularly well in our Super Bowl
We were, however, able to out-suck them pretty well.
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
Writer at windycitygridiron.com -/-I http://www.twitter.com/kdoggers
Manning channeled his inner Rex. That's what happened.
Price Check on aisle BOOM.
by Ditkavsworld on Feb 8, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
lol that is what i said
when he tossed that pick6. after all both were game-losing plays in the 4th quarter when they were only down by one score.
by reefermadness3 on Feb 8, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
that is funny...
channeled his inner Rex. Manning probably thought “what the hell is going on and who is this guy in my head”
Walter Payton lives on!!!
+1, lol
“out-suck” is the word of the day!
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Eerily reminiscent of Super Bowl XLI.....
But with the Colts on the other end, Right?
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Very much
I’ve been telling my co-workers that all day. It was a good game but to me it was almost like the Colts played to keep it close instead of trying to pile the points on. After they went up 10-0, I thought it was going to be a long game for the Saints but the Colts seemed to go into autopilot. I don’t know. Just didn’t expect that from the Colts.
Yep
…and the Colts pass rush was suddenly unable to get to Brees. He had time to work it.
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
Had a lot to do
with the Saints keeping the ball out of Manning’s hands as well. Their offense didn’t see the field for an eternity, and dropped some big passes….ie Garcon’s third down drop, and Wayne’s dropped TD. The onside kick and subsequent Saint drive took the wind out of their proverbial sails.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Dont forget....
The decision to go for it on 4th down by the Saints. I think Payton probably liked the idea of giving Manning the ball inside the 3 better than the idea of adding three points and giving Manning the ball on the 30. I think it was a pivotal decision that went largely unnoticed. Manning called 3 runs and the Colts punted. It allowed the saints to score the final points of the half and they never relinquished momentum from that point on. They came out of half-time with another gutsy call in an onside kick and the rest is history. Sean Payton showed courage and his team responded.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Where's wilt when I need him?
The Porter pick, That was cover-2 man wasn’t it… I’m pretty sure it was… It that what you saw too?
Formerly Scespy12... needed a better name!
by Eaten by Bears on Feb 8, 2010 12:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Just watched the highlight......
Was Cover 1 Man out of the Nickel 3-3-5 set.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
To explain....
Colts lined up shotgun offset 3 wide with Collie in motion. At the snap, the saints sent 6 with all three linemen and all three linebackers coming. Malcolm Jenkins caught Collie off the motion, Porter took Wayne, Jabari Greer was on Garcon and Roman Harper came out of a blitz look to cover Dallas Clark. Darren Sharper moved from the sideline into Cover 1 deep center.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Was a beautiful set-up that was well disguised......
Because of the positioning of Harper and Jenkins, the defense didn’t have to follow when Collie went into motion, so they never let on that it was man-to-man coverage. Manning likely read zone and was caught off-gaurd when Porter jumped the route.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Looked
like Manning locked on Wayne and at the last second changed his mind. Either Wayne was slow to get around or Manning had to release earlier because of the blitz.
Nice breakdown!
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
It was Wayne, you were right the first time......
But I saw it a little differently. Looked like Manning expected Porter to play a soft zone and got caught off guard when Porter jumped the route so aggressively. I really think the fact that nobody moved on Collie’s motion set the whole thing up.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Porter was all over that route..
Manning should have never thrown that one. He would have been better tossing that one away. I think I have heard myself saying that same thing within the past four months…hmmmm? lol
Walter Payton lives on!!!
all this talk
about collie’s and puppy bowls and inner rex’s has me numb. It appeared to me that he was locked on the crossing route underneath, got antzy from the blitz and forced the throw early and at the last moment to the other guy who hadn’t finished his route. Dude saw the ball first and broke on it. Insert names as applicable.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
haha!
Not sure… they might have had 2 deep, the blitz caused Manning to rush his throw though
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 8, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Look at the video, bro...
Promise you, it was a cover one out of a 3-3-5.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah your right....
I just watched a replay… Roman Harper cane up from SS to cover Clark man to man so that would have changed mannings read. Great Job, Greg Williams!
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by Eaten by Bears on Feb 9, 2010 12:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
All I was thinking was
Why couldn’t Manning have done that instead of Sexy Rexy back in 2007?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
think of it this way
The Saints were one game better than us last year and now they are Super Bowl champions
Now I know there is a huge difference but as they say “Any Given Sunday” or in this case, any given season
The Saints have Sean Payton.....
We have Lovie Smith……..
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
I liked Manning, had mad respect for him.
But to see him walk off the field, without congratulating the other team on a victory was just such spoiled brat, copout, tom bradyesque, bad taste, bad sportmanship, and just plain bad. I thought he had a bit more of a sportsmanship bone in his body then to pout off the field like that. Any athlete that does that gets no respect from me. Thats why i can’t stand Lebron anymore, cause he pouted just like Peyton Manning and walked off the court last year without congratulating the Magic.
As much as the bulls use to get their ass beat by the Pistons, Michael and Scottie still would shake their hands afterwards. That probably shouldn’t get me so riled up but that is a serious pet peeve of mine seeing something like that. Overpaid crybabies.
Right......
I know, right? I just read Shutdown Corner and Chris Chase is making excuses for Manning.
Walking off the field without congratulating Drew Brees may go against our misguided notion of what sportsmanship should be, but it wasn’t at all disrespectful or bitter. It shows how much Peyton Manning wanted to win the game. And who can argue about that?
What a crock. This same column (rightly) blasted Bill Belichick for the same thing 2 years ago, and now makes excuses for the Peyton “Golden Idol” Manning? What if Favre had done the same thing? Chase and MJD would have written about how Favre dissed Brees, dissed the game and then drowned some cats in a bag off the coast after the game for effect.
The media is so invested in shilling for the “Greatest QB Ever” that they openly contradict themselves in situations that Manning does something they have chastised someone else for. Hell, look at all the “Greatest QB Ever” press he got just this week. Has he even proven he’s the greatest QB of this era? Hell, Brady has the most success (16-0 season, 3 SB rings) and a winning record over Manning, especially in clutch situations like the playoffs, not to mention the single best statistical season ever. And the majority of this was done with a no-name group of receivers. Jabar Gaffney? Come on. Hell, Manning has just as great a history as Favre of mistakes in clutch situations, just like the INT Sunday. Favre did the same thing (INT to Porter) in the NFC Championship, and the media basically gave us the “Same old Favre” routine, yet do you think we’ll hear “Same old Manning” this week? Same number of super bowls. Same kind of stats. Same kind of screw ups in clutch situations (see Mannings many losses to the Pats in the playoffs, and his mistakes in those losses).
Favre was built up the same way in the ‘90s, and torn down when he wouldn’t step aside so a new “Golden Idol” could cleanly be worshipped. For what it’s worth, I sympathize with Favre. He makes decisions for his own life, and the media turns it into him being selfish. Who the hell isn’t selfish about their job and their future? At least Favre can make light of it (his commercials, for example). But who are the media to tell him when he should or shouldn’t go when teams still want him and he is still playing at a high level? Can you imagine any other job where you would still be doing a good job (107 QB rating is a pretty good job, as well as getting to the Championship Game. Think the Vikings woulda done that with Jackson?) and outside forces were trying to impose themselves on the decision process about your future? The Vikings have already stated they want him back. Yet the net is littered with columns about wanting Favre to retire and how selfish he is or belittling him for the process. Know what? It’s his decision to make. Football is obviously tough for these guys to walk away from, which is why so many stay until nobody wants them any more, even though their skills have long since diminished below the average. Players are always looking for that last championship. As long as someone wants Favre, and are willing to put up the tiime he needs to make the decision, then who am I to say he’s selfish. The Vikings hung on his every word for months because they thought his skills would improve their team. It was what was best for them, and it worked out. If they listened to the press, they wouldn’t have pursued Favre and they probably wouldn’t have won the division, much less been in the Championship game. Minnesota might have been made to look bad for clinging on Favre’s decision, but they ended up having a better team for it. And as long as Favre still has the tools to win, teams will continue to do the same thing.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2010 6:46 AM CST up reply actions
Amen brother, I read the same article by the way
You’re right, if that was Farve or Belichek or Anyone else they would be a crybaby..but no, not Peyton Greatest QB ever Manning.
They instill it in you when you are a lil kid. Your coach tells you to shake the other teams hand, even if you lost, even if you were hurting, most didn’t want to do it but the coach made you do it. Thats what these athletes have forgotten, the sportsmanship.
And as far as Farve, i get so sick and tired of people telling him he needs to retire. Who the hell are you to tell someone if they need to retire or not? Do they pay his bills? I can see them giving him crap about waiting till the last minute every year and changing his mind 3 times per offseason but hey, it’s his life, it’s not hurting you in any way shape or form, leave the drama queen alone. It’s probably because all the attention why he does it.
Last thing the article mentioned was Jordan never shook Isiah’s hand. Thats a load of croc. I watched a vast majority of those games growing up and Michael and Scottie and gang always shook their hands afterwards, some of the pistons were too smug to accept but we always were the better men. When we finally beat them en route to our first championsip zeke and everyone on the pistons except two people stayed and shook the Bull’s hands. Joe Dumars and John Sally..i remember that well because my dad pointed it out.
The guy obviously drunk the SB week Manning is God kool-aid. He doesn’t get a free pass in my opinion.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 9, 2010 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
I grew up......
a Pistons fan (still am) and I remember clearly seeing Scottie and Michael talking to and congratulating Isiah and Co. (not so sure about the smug thing, but sour grapes tend to stain the picture, lol).
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2010 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
A PISTONS FAN!!
It’s o.k, we still mad cool cause we love the bears lol.
Haven’t really kept up with basketball since 2004 really, around the time when Scottie Pippen retired.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 9, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
You can tell when.....
I started paying attention to each sport by what team I love. I grew up in the South Bend area and fell in love with football and baseball then, hence the Bears and Cubs. Moved to Detroit in my teens and found basketball and hockey, hence the Pistons and Red Wings. Notre Dame comes from being a South bend homie.
And I’m with you on basketball. I only pay it a passing courtesy now-a-days. Same with baseball, really, though I pay more attention to the Cubbies than the Pistons.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Go ND!!
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
:) I'm with you!
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Funny you mentioned the Red Wings
Since the recent Blackhawks rise to contention last couple years I find it interesting that Detroit knocked them out last year, almost like the old school Bulls / Pistons rivalry all over again. Untill the Hawks find out a way to get the Red Wing monkey off their backs Detroit will continue to pound them in the ground. Eventually, i think the Hawks will beat them in the playoffs..this year? Who knows.
I can’t lie though, i don’t watch hockey really but something about a good ol Chicago / Detroit Rivalry just gets me so excited.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 10, 2010 2:35 AM CST up reply actions
I hate Bret Favre and anything "Favrish".
But nice take anyway.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
lol, I didn't say......
I liked Favre. I just think he gets an unfair shake when compared to Manning. They can both retire for all I care, lol.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions

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