Enough with the Greg Olsen hate..
by rakman86 on Feb 8, 2010 2:08 PM CST
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PrintI am so sick of hearing people cry about how awful Greg Olsen is. Half the people here complain and say that he drops everything thrown his way. Lets see something...
NFL Leaders: Pass Dropped by TE's (5 or more) (Thru Jan. 3, 2010)
Vernon Davis - 11 Drops
Brent Celek - 9 Drops
Dallas Clark - 9 Drops
Randy McMichael - 9 Drops
Antonio Gates - 7 Drops
Daniel Coats - 6 Drops
Visanthe Shiancoe - 6 Drops
Fred Davis - 5 Drops
Brandon Pettigrew - 5 Drops
Kellen Winslow - 5 Drops
Neat. This means Greg Olson had fewer than 5 dropped passes. And look at the names that have more. You are right people, Greg "Brick Hands" Olsen is terrible and should be traded right away for a 2nd Round Pick that we can use to draft the Messiah. Get real people. Way to appreciate the young talent we have on this very young team that is loaded with potential. Olsen will thrive in Martz's system. He can line up anuwhere. If tall and fast. He creates problems for defenses and will only get better. Cutler loves his TE's and trusts Olsen a lot. Trading him for draft picks is pointless...
Greg Olsen:
Keep in mind that as our only real offensive threat (especially when Hester went down) he faced double coverage all day.
11th in Receiving Yards (612)
15th in Yds/G (38.2)
10th in Rec (60)
Tied 4th in TD’s (8)
Tied 10th in 20+ yd Rec (9)
Tied 10th in 1st Downs (33)
Fumbles (0)…that’s right ZERO. For all the fans that say he fumbles too much
Not too bad for our 24 year old scrub TE huh…
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So what you’re saying is that he was no better than 10th in the league this year at his position…
Expectations were too high but his 3rd year in the league should have been different. Given the way the offense was called this isn’t a surprise. 3 yard outs to a TE isn’t exactly a money play.
yup
double coverage, new QB, not enough time to run routes due to the o-line and terrible play calling by Turner. Why trade him when Martz is coming in?…call them excuses but they are valid. He still played well. Lets throw away the 8 tds. Im simply stating that people are on insane when they whine that he drops balls too much.
To be fair.......
3 of those TDs came after a game was already lost to a blowout.
BUT, Olsen was a lot better than he’s given credit for. Posted a lot more telling stats on another thread. Like the fact that he had 108 balls thrown his way (2 more than Marques Colston and 4 less than Brent Celek. Colston caught 10 more passes and Celek caught 16 more) and only caught 60 of them.
BUT, before it sounds like I’m on the hate Olsen bandwagon, he led the league in 3rd down passes caught for first down in both short (<3 yards) and long (>7 yards) situations. He didn’t fumble this year, and he improved in blocking assignments.
But the most telling stat to his importance? When Olsen scored a TD, the Bears averaged a fraction over 30 points a game. When he idn’t, the Bears average just over 14 point a game.
Another interesting stat is that the Bears are 8-3 over the past 2 years when Olsen scores, and 8-13 when he doesn’t.
Olsen needs to continue his improvement. But the bears need to provide a forum in which he can. Olsen will never reach his potential if he doesn’t get some help. No TE can carry a whole team on his back.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
This goes with what i was saying in another thread
When he catches tds hes usually being thrown to alot and is able to move the chains and free up space for other receivers. Honestly i think with cutler he could be the best tight end in the league.
He has the size, speed and can make the tough catch and is very surehanded after he catches the ball
All he needs is more opportunities at the ball and an off coordinator that can use him creatively.
Yes he needs to work on blocking but not every tightend is good at that!!
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 8, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Heres a " What If " scenario .....
……. that may change your minds . What if the Pats are willing to trade us Wilfork or Mankins and a second rounder for Olsen ? Thats not a far fetched trade and it would vastly improve our defense or our offense for the better .
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 8, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
That is VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY farfetched
I love Olsen which is very obvious but im not an idoit and if Kraft and the pats want to give up a 2nd rouder and either Mankins or wilfork and i would take it in a second.
But that trade doesnt make sense for them. I think theyd just offer a second
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 8, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Its makes sense ....
……… due to the fact that both want new contracts and only one will get one . In my scenario they are getting what they crave , a pass catching TE , to replace the departing Ben Watson . Olsen is worth more to them than many other teams so they could be willing to give a little more . Also trading either player would get them something in return other than a pissed off player that didn’t want to be tagged .
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 9, 2010 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
I don't want us to trade Olsen
and I do NOT, i repeat, not in a million years want to trade Olsen to the Patriots, quite possibly my third most hated team next to the pack and queens.
Olsen is a rare kind of TE, he will improve hs blocking and toughness and become elite status. He is still very early in his career and now has a legit offensive coordinator at the helm. Also, Mike Tice will probably give him some tips coming off the line to help him block a bit better. I just don’t want us to trade him and then he becomes the next Tony Gonzalez for some other team, that would kill me.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 9, 2010 3:16 AM CST up reply actions
I dont want to trade anyone we have thats good
To the pats, assuming we have anyone who is good consistently.
Sound very sure about that ...
He will improve his blocking and his toughness ? Blocking mybe, but you’re tough or you’re not, and Olsen’s a big girl.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
A 2nd rounder AND Mankins OR Wilfork ?
LMFAO !! You’d be lucky to get either of those guys for Olsen and a first.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree.....
and so do the stats:
6 games w TDS 4 receptions/game average
10 games w/o TDs 4 receptions/game average
The real importance of Olsen is in the redzone and 3rd downs. I already posted the stats over the last 2 years on our record when he scores two posts above as well as his stature in the league when it comes to 3rd down receptions, so I won’t post them again. But the stats clearly show that it’s not the number of receptions, but when they use him that matters most.
But we agree on the base point. Olsen is better and more important than given credit for. And all of these people who think Martz won’t have a place for a pass-catching TE with talent the likes of which Martz has never had the pleasure of using are being very short-sighted. Martz will utilize whatever talent he can find. Pointing to the past only works when the situations are similar. There is no past when Martz had a TE like Olsen, so there can be no trustworthy comparison.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2010 7:43 AM CST up reply actions
we do agree on this one T-Train
We can say Martz WONT use him well because no games have taken place and Martz has never had a tightend who was a legit pass catching threat. but we shall see compadre
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 9, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Nice points.
10 games he was out to lunch. That’s not production.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
that still leaves him at 5 tds
which is more than a lot of TE’s in the league
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
So ?
“that still leaves him at 5 tds which is more than a lot of TE’s in the league”
Not the point, is it ?
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yes it is the point
Thats two straight seasons hes led the team with TDS
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 16, 2010 6:46 AM CST up reply actions
i understand not everyone will agree
i just dont think we should even think about trading him IMO. I will not argue about it or reply to everyones post (my apologies brands735) it anymore unless i really get the urge lol. He aint a scrub.
i completely...
agree with your opinion on Greg Olsen…can’t wait to see what Martz does with him…
by daPrideofPortugal on Feb 8, 2010 2:33 PM CST reply actions
I think Martz will move him around a bunch
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 8, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Olsen is a lame duck TE.
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hey now!
He is signed through 2011…
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 8, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
That the best way to use him for example.
Put him in the backfield as fullback and motion him out…chances are itll be a linebacker on him olsen wins that battle 9/10 times.
Put him in the slot!!!!!! nuff said.
Throw him some tightend screens.
Martz hasnt had a player like olsen at tightend…….no offense to ernie conwell.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 8, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
NO MORE SCREENS!!!!
At least to the wideouts/tightends. Halfback screens are ok. But NO reciever/TE screens. PLEASE
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
screens a cool
its about when you call them & if the blockers get out on it
Olsen has been used as H-Back a little bit
Martz will do it even more
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Or just bench him ...
…and play Kellen Davis who’s taller, blocks and catches.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Kellen Davis .....
………… is not a great blocker . Matter of fact Olsen is a better blocker and pass catcher . The only catagory he fails in , in your list , is height .
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 17, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
i'll grant you he might be a top 10 in receiving ability
well below average in blocking. overall, average at best.
Personal opinion ......
…….. I really like Greg Olsen . He provides Jay Cutler with a big , reliable target . If we’re gonna spread folks out , like Martz does , Greg Olsen should be an asset to our offense . His only issue as a full time tight end was his blocking , which should improve with Mike Tices arrival . So yes trading him would seem to hurt more than help .
why do you like davis more?
im just curious
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 8, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Why like Kellen Davis ?
He’s 6’7.
I saw him pancake two guys on one play.
He’s 6’7. You’re always open at 6’7. Cutler threw the ball to Olsen 14 times in one game, and Olsen came up with the ball twice. Why ?
Greg Olsen is not tough.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Can he block? Can He strech the Field? Can he create a mismatch?
I dont care if you spend 3 hours on youtube finding Kellen Davis Highlights that will not make him a better TE then Greg Olsen.
" I saw him Pancake Two guys in one play" lmao ONE PLAY!
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 16, 2010 6:48 AM CST up reply actions
LMAO is right.
I couldn’t find any footage of Davis throwing good blocks, but I did find some of him getting tossed like a big girl. Davis is a receiving TE that the Bears want to teach how to block. He is not a blocking TE.
And I once saw Greg Olsen pancake Chuck Norris. Top that, Irish!
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
+1
" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-
Why?
I mean yeah davis is a big target. But honestly Olsen blocks better than Davis. One of Davis’ biggest knocks comming out of MSU was his blocking. Although he has improved, Olsen is still the better blocker. Olsen is faster, stronger, and has better hands. Don’t get me wrong, i do like Davis and would love to see his role expanded, but Martz will probabley not find a use for a 6’7 TE who can’t block.
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Isnt Olsen 6'6?
I guess Davis is loved more because hes an inch taller lol
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 8, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
lol i think olsen is like 6'5
=] one up.
But honestly Olsen ran a 4.6 at the combine. That’s like half back speed. Davis runs like a 5.0. And Davis is huge and can’t block. Martz will find him a spot. On the bench
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on Feb 10, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Bulls*t !!!
That’s just crap. Olsen is a non-existent blocker …
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Your statement is true.....
But it doesn’t make Davis a blocker either (he isn’t).
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 6:48 AM CST up reply actions
about his blocking
i think martz is either going to have him work on his blocking big time this offseason (since TEs in his offense need to hold their blocks well), or turn him into more of WR.
I heard him saying that
the reason he has had TE block more is because he never really had an athletic TE. I hope he takes more of a Coalston approach with him and leave Payne to be the blocker type of TE.
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Feb 9, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Payne?
So they are moving payne from safety to tight end? Maybe that will be an excuse to get him on the field. Oh no another Hester situation. So does that mean they are moving Davis to Safety? a 6’7 safety would be crazy
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on Feb 10, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Greg Olsen
WORSHIPS THE DEVIL!!!!!!
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Feb 8, 2010 7:51 PM CST reply actions
I think he is a great Tight End.
I just hope that Martz finds a way to use him.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
and drowns kittens......
I read in on the internets!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2010 7:47 AM CST up reply actions
martz on WSCR this AM
“first and foremost the TE has to be able to block”
you can check out the podcast on the website.
I do not think Olsen is bad...
I just expected more “elite” from him. The buzz about him was top 5; Gates and Gonzales territory. I do think his numbers could have been better if there were other options on the Bears offense, but still, he ranks lower then the TE taken after him in the draft Z Miller. Miller is in Oakland, not necessarily an offensive juggernaut. The “cons” on Olsen coming out of the draft was that he did not have the work ethic to be an elite TE. IMO, that’s what I’m seeing. I believe he has it within him to get the job done, but if he does not produce in this year’s offense, trading him may be the best option for both him and the Bears. He can get a fresh start on a team that is better suited to develop his skills and the Bears could get some draft picks. I hope Martz can better utilize him because he’s a great teammate and the kind of guy you want in a clubhouse. He can be that top 5 guy, but he needs to be. Gonzales excelled on some very bad KC teams when he was the only option, Olsen should be that good.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
This what, 24?
He has time to develope into something “elite,” but that all rest on him. If he wants to put the time in, he has the ability to be a Gates/Gonzales type of TE.
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Feb 9, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Nice post.
I like Olsen and am one who doesn’t think we should trade him. It was nice to see the stats lined up behind him. :]
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
I dont think
its a “hate” issue as much as it is a “what’s in the best interest of the Bears” issue. Let’s be honest, Olsen hasn’t exactly lit the league up. He’s been ok. If the Bears can get a 2nd for him and can turn that into the starting RT or LG for the next decade over his so-so production, it’s a no-brainer. But, JA will be doing the drafting so it’s probably a busted play anyways so they might as well keep him. My only issue with Olsen is that he seems like a real cupcake out there. If he was a little more nasty out there, I’d be higher on him. He has the tools, just not the demeanor.
Just my opinion.
+1
Thank you and bingo! I couldn’t have said it better (sorry I already did on the other thread). If we could get a RT for the next 10 years with a 2nd rd pick this year in a trade for Olsen I will help pack his bags. I think whoever is playing TE Cutler will make look good. Probably not as good as Olsen but I will take an average TE and a starting RT for Olsen.
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It's all about who/what we would get for him,
plain and simple. I like Olsen a lot eventhough he is not a top 5 TE like I thought he would be. Could he be a top 5 TE under Martz, jury is still out on that one. I know that Martz has limited his play calling to TE’s in the past, but Greg Olsen isn’t your average TE. I think Martz would use him more as a WR due to his speed and size. As all of you, I strongly feel that he needs to work on his blocking skills. If the organization happens to trade him, they better make sure that whoever they get is worth the gamble.
Walter Payton lives on!!!
He's not even the best TE in his own division.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Actually... there are 3 TEs better than him
in his own division.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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3
Visanthe Shiancoe
Jemichael Finley
Brandon Pettigrew
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I don't think you can put Pettigrew above him...yet.
He only played in 11 games, had 30 catches on the season and 2 td’s.
by Mike Mueller on Feb 10, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
oh wow you can name players
how in the world is Pettigrew better than olsen? And shiancoe isn’t better than olsen, not even close. I will MAYBE give you finley, but not by much.
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on Feb 10, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Pettigrew??
I do not love Olsen by any means but he cant carry his jock..yet
" Former Original WCG Power Poster!"
This whole drop stat comparison is bogus anyway
Olsen was targeted 108 times, and caught 60 passes (55%). So, you’re telling me that he dropped less then 5 of the 48 passes he didn’t catch?
Jermichael Finley was targeted 71 times, and caught 55 passes (77%). Olsen was targeted 36 more times than Finley, and only caught 5 more passes?
Schiancoe was targeted just 78 times, and caught 56 passes (72%).
Pettigrew was targeted 54 times, and caught 30 passes (55%) in 11 games, 11.5 avg per catch and 2 TDs.
That’s better than Olsen’s rookie year: 14 games, 39 catches, 10.0 avg, 2 TDs, and Pettigrew knows how to block.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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you...you....
you’re just an olsen HATER, that’s all! haha.
Well there is a big difference here
(can’t believe I am arguing for Olsen..). Those other TE are surrounded by good, talented receivers that their QB can rely on and are not the focus of their offense. The bears on the other hand constantly tried to force the ball to Olsen and the defense new it and doubled him alot. The problem is that our friggin wr were running the wrong routes 50% of the time..
" Former Original WCG Power Poster!"
I mostly blame the coaching for WR's not knowing routes.
I know that they are a young group at the WR position for us, but our coaches need to teach them more effectively and chew some ass when stuff like that happens. Don’t just say, aahh shucks. Put the fear of God in them.
Walter Payton lives on!!!
by monsterman34 on Feb 10, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
BINGO!!!!!!
You don’t coach players like Mr Rogers. You coach players like Buddy Ryan!
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 10, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
as far as route running goes..
i agree to an extent. Some plays WR’s seemed to just stop, or look lost. Or when Cutler was forced out of the pocket they didnt know what to do. But more so than not I dont think Cutler was given enough time in the pocket to allow the WR’s to actually run complete routes. Which would lead to him forcing the ball to his most reliable target which was Olsen. So its not like a ton of balls intended for him were thrown when he was in single coverage and had his man beat while running wide open.
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game." - Dick Butkus
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If Olsen was as good as his supporters would have you believe he is...
Then he would make the tough catches… and he would break tackles instead of going down on first contact, and he would actually make some people miss in the open field.
But… he doesn’t do any of that.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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And he rapes puppies......
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 10, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Tough catches?
you didnt see the two passes he caught against the steelers when tyrone carter destroyed him?
Or against atlanta where he went up and stole the ball from two defenders?
I cant think of a play where we ran over a defender…i think he got detriot a few but not sure
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 11, 2010 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't he drop one of those passes against the Steelers?
The one along the sideline…
he had two feet in bounds
and lost control out of bounds when he hit the ground
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 15, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Pettigrew is not surrounded
Yes, he has CJ. Name another quality Lions reciever who played in 08 and 09.
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by NobodySpecial on Feb 10, 2010 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
I would classify CJ as a STUD
He already is one of the top wr in the league and is the focus of the other team’s defensive strategy. Olsen is our strategy..(I can’t believe I am still defending Olsen…trade him for that second round pick already!)
" Former Original WCG Power Poster!"
yes
trade him so we have big reliable body out there to throw to…
then we can trade that 2nd round pick for picks in later rounds and really blow it..
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game." - Dick Butkus
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More like it sackman ....
And we don’t HATE Olsen – I don’t know him – but I don’t want him taking up roster space on my team. he’s not tough, he can’t block, get lost …
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
I am NOT
praising Olsen and claiming him to be the best TE with my post. I am simply stating that he is not as awful as half of you seem to think he is. If we trade Olsen right now most of you will be wanting to trade Cutler since he will have nobody to throw to. Olsen is still on his Rookie contract for crtin out loud. He WILL lead the league in TD’s by a TE next year. Watch. and people cry cause he isnt an above average blocker. Hell i think we only had 1 above average blocker on our entire O-Line this past season…Dont trade him. he has all the tools to be great and under the right guidanceit will happen. We dont make the playoffs and everyone wants to trade all our bright spots away instead of trying to add on them via smart FA moves and smart draft picks…get real..
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game." - Dick Butkus
xbox live gamertag - rakman86
He is not awful by any means and is very good
But he is valuable to somebody and we have more pressing needs than a TE. Our OLine is weak and needs to get better. We need a “big reliable body” to block, not to throw to. If we block and create time those other receivers get open. Another TE will not be as good as Olsen but we are in trouble up front and Cutler and Forte are going to suffer for it.
" Former Original WCG Power Poster!"
Are you in residential care ? I'm sorry.
""If we trade Olsen right now most of you will be wanting to trade Cutler since he will have nobody to throw to."
Because with statements like that you must need a lot of help in life … cretin.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
So what ?
He;‘s a drive killer and a pu$$y. He’s a big girl. In the first four games this season, he had 10 catches. He cannot block – doesn’t even try, doesn’t stretch, can’t get open, lacks toughness and takes entire games off (popping up with a useless TD now and then). Take out the Arizona blowout and he had 5 TDs in 15 games = 1 TD in every 3 games. Your supposed #1 receiver, your 1st round draft pick ? In one particular game, don’t remember who against, but he was targeted 14 times by Cutler, caught 2, 1 TD. Story of his season. He was a huge factor in our inability to run, aside from Omiyale.
Angelo drafted him because he was from the same college he was. Period. Olsen is a bust. Tony Gonzalez can block, Gates, Clark, Daniels, Shockey, you name it. This is football. You need to block. Walter payton was a great blocker – was he too great a player to block ? No, man it’s part of the game ! It’s a man’s game and Greg Olsen can’t play it. We need to get some draft ammo for this fool before the rest of the league figured out what fans have known for some time. Greg. Olsen Is. A. Big. girl.
Watch the first clip : Olsen v the Rams. Pathetic.
Second clip : Our Boy roy with his thoughts on Olsen/Martz.
http://www.youtube.com/user/sportsfansnetwork#p/u/15/PtRa0OFCTwY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnomlSqyPVw&feature=sub
http://www.youtube.com/user/sportsfansnetwork#p/u/0/UyLJUBTA4_c
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/biggs-breaking-down-bears-tight-ends.html
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 9:11 PM CST reply actions
Nothing wrong with being a girl there, homie. :P
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Feb 12, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
+1
If he really wants to put down Greg Olsen. Instead of saying
He’s a big girlA proper put down would’ve been, “Olsen is an Irish Bears Fan.”
By the way ...
Vernon Davis and Celek dropped the ball more than anyone ? So what ? They were fantasy studs that helped their teams win week in week out. Which game did Olsen win for us again ?
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
what?
theres a difference between a fantasy stud and an actual good football player on the field. u sound so intelligent in ur posts…it amazes me
whats next..comparing his season stats to the stats in your Madden season? get real bud
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Who cares about fantasy?
So Celek is then a better TE than Gonzales or Shiancoe or Winslow or Miller or Witten or Finley or Heap? GTFO. By your standards then, Olsen is awesome. He was top ten fantasy for TEs. So you should be happy.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Not looking for fans .... doosh ....
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
*douche
…intelligence shining again irish
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game." - Dick Butkus
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LMFAO Damn rakman86!!!! you beat me to it!
Classic Irish. I mean im not gonna spend time arguing with someone.
These Are his main points
-Olsen is a girl(lady gaga style)
-Olsen cant do anything
_even though Olsen leads the bears in many categories he still sucks
-He cant spell DOUCHE
BEARDOWN
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 16, 2010 6:51 AM CST up reply actions
dont forget about
Kellen Davis being the next Kellen Winslow…he rides him more than Lou Holtz does ND
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I got no problem with Irish or his passion.....
His logic might be a bit off, but I’d take him with me to Lambeau Field. Gotta love a guy with Bears Passion. We’d have a blast sh*t-talking the cheeseheads!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Apologies to all girls ....
Girls are better than boys, that we can all accept. I mean he plays the game in a less than violent manner. Football is a violent game and contact and nastiness is required. Girls are nice and soft. Like Greg Olsen.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Nice and soft?
You have not seen the women’s rugby team I played with… lol.
But no hard feelings, I just have to give someone a hard time when they make a statement like that … and I know that they don’t intend it to be like that. :]
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Feb 16, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Whether it's intended or not
It’s still degrading…
And has no place here, IMHO.
Well, I agree, obviously,
but know it’s a losing battle. And I’m in a good mood today. :]
But I appreciate your sentiment, sir. It seems that few have it. :]
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by Ashley Czuba on Feb 16, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Hang in there!
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won’t come again
And don’t speak too soon
For the wheel’s still in spin
And there’s no tellin’ who
That it’s namin’.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin’!
what an idiot
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 16, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
You know what Ive realized, you are in love with this Roy guy, either that or you are Roy himself.
If you are Roy, YOU SUCK AT BREAKING DOWN PLAYS, just thought Id get that out of the way. I mean seriously this guy is high as a kite and drinking in the middle of the day. He takes 10 minutes to break down one play at a time, put me to sleep. I mean dont you think you can just show the play instead of slowing it down to the enth degree. PLEASE STOP USING THIS GUY AS PROOF TO YOUR POINTS.
"How sad, another victim of the Night Nurses from Jersey."
+1
Roy seems to blow ponies as far as breakdown goes. It’s amazing how different a play looks at 1/10th speed. Seriously, this guy sucks. I’d rather listen to Phil Simms giving advice on when to blitz, and we’ve all seen how astute he can be in that department. Time to put Ol’ Roy back in the closet.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 14, 2010 1:05 AM CST up reply actions
If you'd rather listen to Phil Simms, well, I've got no comeback for that. Sad.....
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
My point exactly........
LOL :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 6:50 AM CST up reply actions
I think the drinking is kind of funny ....
… but he’s the ONLY person doing it. He’s a real fan. And they’re the only clips I have, I don’t ahve tape, but what have you got to say about what’s on the tape ? That’s relevant …
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
He's a jackass....
Real fans are honest. They don’t take a few cherry picked plays and form them around their argument. Below, I countered that argument with about half of a season. Roy just gets his jollies of pretending he actually knows something and hoping people are dumb enough to listen. He’s a shock-attention whore.
You said it yourself.
but he’s the ONLY person doing it
Why do you think that is? Why do you think that with all of the real experts out there, Roy is the only idiot attempting to break down a couple of plays to make Olsen look like we should get rid of him.
Here’s a tip. Defensive coordinators spend many hours watching tape and breaking it down. After doing that, they determined that Greg Olsen was the guy they needed to contain. They doubled up on him in every game this season. 13 DCs decided that Greg Olsen was the guy to double. Roy thinks he’s garbage. Who ya gonna believe?
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Well as far as tape I have every game last year on my DVR, so thats my tape.
And as far as what I think about it, Yea it was a missed block on both Hester and Olsen and yea that pisses me off. But no I dont think that gives validation to getting rid of them or calling them garbage. Yea I think Olsen is soft, but for every negative play you can find, i.e. missed blocking assignments, bad routes, or Hester having to be told where to line up (ONE TIME) there are twice as many positive plays to look at as well on their behalf.
Look my REAL beef with you is that you come on here, youre generally new, and I get it you want your opinions heard and thats fine. But too many times have I seen you make a singular insulting/ uneducated reply with no debate involved. If you seriously want to debate fine but I feel youre just one of those hit and run guys, which drive me insane. If you disagree thats great but instead of asking “DO YOU WATCH FOOTBALL”, how bout getting into some intellectual debate with YOUR OWN opinions not ROYS OPINIONS.
"How sad, another victim of the Night Nurses from Jersey."
And you just put too much stock into what you can "find" on youtube.
You say oh everyone look at this, Hester Sucks,
(I could send you a copy of my DVD I made too called The Devin Hester Chronicles)
but that doesnt proove anything
And look Peterman, he is interesting (hahahaha)
its just a bunch of bull, stop pulling youtube clips up, unless it is truly something that NO ONE has ever seen before. Everybodys got some clip of some guy that can make them look bad or good on youtube, there is just that much sh*t on there.
"How sad, another victim of the Night Nurses from Jersey."
Check out The Devin Hester Chronicles on youtube.
"How sad, another victim of the Night Nurses from Jersey."
When....
are you going to quit copying and pasting the same old comments on every post? It’s really getting old. Your saying the same sorry tired crap that totally negates any points you might actually have, dude. Gates and Clark cannot block. Shockey and Gonzalez I’ll give you. But Gates and Clark cannot. Especially Gates. Olsen can’t either, but he does a better job than Gates.
And Our Boy Roy can pound sand until Sunday, but he still won’t have the slightest clue of how to break down a play. Do yourself a favor and stop listening to him.
Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 14, 2010 1:10 AM CST up reply actions
This is a thread entitled "Enough with the Greg Olsen hate"
Ergo, it’s the perfect place to talk about the Elephant in the room, Greg Olsen. As for Roy, he’s only actually broken down a few plays, but they were all insightful and you don’t see this stuff on TV. Hester clrearly takes whole plays off, doesn’t block, and Olsen is clearly against contact of any kind. I don’t want him on my team, and if others think he’s good just because he got 8 TDs then they have failed to perceive correctly.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Look....
I don’t have the problems with you that some people here seem to have, I honestly think we need voices of decent to keep the conversation moving, and I truly respect anyone who passionately cares about the Bears (which you obviously do). I got no problems with you.
But I do have problems with Roy. I trust absolutely nobody that takes a few plays, breaks them down half assed, and calls that a player. Why didn’t he contrast by breaking down some of Olsen’s good plays? Because he is as dishonest as he is stupid. The fact that he has a following just pisses me off even more. If he truly cared more about the team than whether or not he was getting hits, he would give the whole picture, for better or worse. He formed the information around his argument, not his argument around the information. That is dishonest and it makes anything he drops absolute trash and completely inadmissible in any argument.
Olsen NEEDS to work on his blocking. But his receiving is questioned by absolutely nobody who honestly takes a look at his game. Your stats above relating to catch percentage only tell half of the story. Olsen was perceived by every team we faced as the primary threat. When he scores, the Bears win 73% of the time. When he doesn’t, the Bears lose 62% of the time. Olsen was double covered more often, especially on third down situations (where Olsen led the league amongst TEs).
He is a poor blocker (as opposed to a atrocious blocker in ‘08), true enough. But touting Kellen Davis and doing so because Olsen is a “Big Girl” hurts your credibility, bro. Davis cannot Block either. He was a pass-catching TE in college. He has never been a blocker, and still isn’t. His primary problems are center of gravity and footwork. He has issues getting low.
From NFL.com coming out of the Draft:
Davis lacks great quickness off the snap and hasn’t shown the willingness to work hard to improve his route-running and blocking
Ron Turner last season on Davis:
“Blocking, that has to be his role,” offensive coordinator Ron Turner said. “We have two guys (Olsen and Davis) who are pass-catching tight ends. The other guys have to do that when called upon, but they have to block first and foremost.”
In other words, blocking ain’t his thing. Yet you keep calling for this even bigger girl because somehow he can block in your mind. Well, that’s the only place he can block, man.
As to your second comment (below), You keep throwing Gates and Clark into the blocking argument. They cannot block (especially Gates). I’ll keep calling it out until you quit including them in the argument. They actually argue against your point. They are where they are because they can catch. Just like Olsen. Unlike Olsen, they are not receiving regular double coverage because they are not the primary threats on their team. The Colts are loaded with offensive weapons, as are the Chargers. V Davis is secondary to Frank Gore, and quickly becoming a secondary threat to Michael Crabtree. Tony Gonzalez? Michael Turner and Roddy White.
Who exactly was the league looking at as the best threat in Chicago? Forte? Nope. Hester? Nope. Bennett? Nope. Aromashodu? Nope. It was Olsen, and the coverage was adjusted accordingly. It was the focus on Olsen that allowed our young receiving corps to develop. How often were you seeing Hester, Bennett, Knox and Aromashodu fighting through double coverage? Not often, and that was because Olsen had to be accounted for.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
In addition....
I think you can see in the footage that I provided below that Olsen clearly doesn’t avoid contact. He is often drilled and still holds on. The Atlanta footage shows him making the catch, taking the hits and fighting off two DBs who are trying to strip the ball. Such a girl-man. Funny how Cutler doesn’t seem to shy away from throwing to Olsen when he’s in double coverage and clearly going to take a hit. But he probably didn’t watch Roy’s vids, so he didn’t know that Greg was unreliable in those circumstances………..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Now you're arguing for the sake of arguing ...
Stick to the facts. Olsen. And don’t get hung up on Clark or Gate’s blocking – they’re premium weapons at TE, pro bowlers, legends. Olsen doesn’t belong in the same conversation.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 15, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Facts?
What facts have you stuck too? Things like you can’t count his performance against AZ because we got blown out? Silly. His first TD tied the game. His other two forced AZ to put Kurt warner back into the game because his 3rd brought us to within 2 TDs with over 9 minutes left. Two of the TDs were caught in double coverage. How important was Olsen to what we do?
Olsen taking big hit and making catch @1:10
and throwing block on screen and recoving fumble @1:54
Also a nice double coverage TD catch by the Receiving TE Kellen Davis @0:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwZ9mUJgTLc
Olsen nice catch-n-run breaking tackles @0:45
and catching TD in double coverage 1:07
and getting PI flag in double coverage 1:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQRHf-Bfd90
Olsen easy TD in double coverage for 33 yards
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814056b4
Olsen TD Double coverage @0:08
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81572751/Cutler-to-Olsen-TD
Receiving TE Kellen Davis TD @2:40 over the shoulder
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8146a4b0/Eagles-24-Bears-20
Olsen’s 1st Arizona TD to tie the game @1:01
(BTW, all the “you can’t count the AZ TD’s is crap. This one tied the game and
Olsen was the only offense while being double covered…..CONTEXT MATTERS!!!!)
Olsen’s 3rd TD in double coverage @2:50 (brought the Bears within 2 scored and
forced Warner back into the game with over 9 minutes left)
”http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8140e01c/NFL-GameDay-Cardinals-vs-Bears-highlights" target="_blank">http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8140e01c/NFL-GameDay-Cardinals-vs-Bears-highlights
And for good Measure, Olsen’s 2nd TD
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81406d96/Cutler-s-2nd-TD
Olsen with a nice catch in double coverage and fights to keep the ball @3:03
Nice Olsen TD catch @3:15
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81385f31/Falcons-21-Bears-14
Receiving TE Kellen Davis TD @1:34
Olsen all by himself @1:58
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81323168/Bears-48-Lions-24
Olsen wide open for TD @1:18
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d812f7400/Bears-25-Seahawks-19
For all those who say Hester won’t go up and get one…..@0:10
Kellen Davis being tossed like a really big girl @0:23
And a really bad fake fieldgoal run by Olsen @ 1:26
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814bfab7/Bears-17-Rams-9
Just Olsen’s presence help out the receivers. You have spent entirely too much time listening to an idiot (Roy) and not nearly enough time paying attention to what Olsen actually did, while usually double covered. While Olsen is getting that special attention from 2 defenders, someone else in the receiving corps is getting a break. I have never said Olsen is Tony Gonzalez. I never will, cause he will never block that well. But he can be every bit as good as Antonio Gates or Dallas Clark. Your complaining because Olsen doesn’t do what the Bears don’t ask him to do. That, sir, is ridiculous. Because he certainly does do what they do ask of him. Just like the Clark and Gates, but without the players around him that Clark and Gates have.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
I think you are stretching this thing with Olsen a bit
He is not going to be as good as those other but he could be very good. It doesn’t mean we still shouldn’t trade him for a 2nd rd pick and get our RT of the future. Gotta give up something to get something..
" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-
Explain why.....
he won’t be as good as those others. I’m interested in the explaination. Because his skill set says that he can be, as well as the tough catches he made all year while being the primary focus of the opposing defenses. But I am definitely open to the discussing.
That being said. I do not believe in trading your best offensive receiver for a 2nd round pick that might or might not be a RT who might or might not end up starting.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
I would, however...
consider trading Olsen for a proven player on either line, offensive or defensive, that is young and has at least a decent working knowledge of our type of system.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Do you really think
That Olsen is worth a teams starting RT? Who would do that? I agree that it might not turn out to be a good investment but then again it might be a great move. How do you suggest we get a RT?? Everyone decent is going to be restricted based on the current situation. I think Olsen is a very good TE and our best red zone target. But he is a below average blocker and I don’t think he is as effective as those other guys in adjusting his routes to help out his QB. Maybe that comes with experience and knowing his QB but maybe not. Also, he does seem a little on the soft side would like him to toughen up as he is more of a finesse guy. That kind of stuff rubs off on the whole team and I think that permeates down from Lovie as well. And last, the new gameplan will probably not be set up enough to take advantage of his talents. So would I rather have a talented but underutilzed TE or a potential young RT for the next 10 years? I will take my shot on the latter.
" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-
I don't argue any of your logic there.......
The only team that I see that might consider a trade like that is NE. And they seem to like to plug and play their own guys more than trading for new toys.
But all of the “Martz isn’t smart enough to get his best weapon involved in the offense” talk, which is essentially the argument behind “the system doesn’t fit Olsen” is ludicrous. And yes, I would rather have the proven TE over the “potential” RT any day. Do you really believe that Jerry Angelo’s 2nd round draft selection at RT has even a 50% chance of being a 10 year starter? And, additionally, do you really believe that there is more than a 10% chance that Angelo drafts anything but a defensive linemen with a newly acquired 2nd rounder? I agree that he is a below average blocker. But then,the Bears don’t ask him to block much, either. And he did show improvement this year, although he still wasn’t what I would call even an average blocker. The problem with him coming back has more to do with scheme than himself. Most of Olsen’s routes are inside routes and usually to the left side. Cutler generally rolls right. That makes it very hard to effectively adjust and come back and help him from that spot. He’s be a lot more useful to Jay in that regard if Jay were a pocket passer.
I’ll take the “very good” bear in the hand over the “potential” 2(nd rounder) in the bush any day. Especially considering history is on my side both from the point of view Jerry’s success rate with linemen and his preference for defensive linemen over offensive linemen in earlier rounds (especially if FA doesn’t find us in good shape at DE).
You make some good points, though. Especially about the trickle-down apathy. I saw it in a lot of places this year. Forte would have been my first exhibit. Hester and Olsen, along with most of the O-line would follow closely behind. Lots on the D side as well. And I’m with you 100%. It all starts with Smith.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Also....
I’m not sold on the idea that Shaffer or particularly Omiyale can’t be a good RT for the next 7 or 8 years. Maybe I’m an optimist, but lately, I’ve had a real “Garza” feeling about Omiyale. Like he could end up being solid for a long time now that Tice has a hold of him (assuming the bears are smart enough to move him back to RT).
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
to clarify....
My point (which I somehow left out of the comment) was that I think LG is a bigger need than RT.
Sorry for that :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
and you maybe right on this as well
" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-
Do not disagree with your point either
because we have a pretty sure thing already with Olsen and with Angelo we would probably draft a def tackle and try to turn him into a RT! But I think if our ultimate goal is to get to the super bowl then you need to try and upgrade all of our average players to get high level players to get us to that level. I would rather have the possibility to get a RT through trade and I think we could make due at TE and have a dropoff but not a huge dropoff. But we could have a huge upgrade at Rt which will trickle into an improved running game, better TOP, and more rest for a porous defense. But as you said, he would probably take a corner anyway so it discusion for nothing!
" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-
If we want an improvement
put Omiyale at his best position and draft a guard or sign one should they become available
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 16, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
lol, agreed :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
but maybe....
just maybe…
Omiyale could be a blocking TE?
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 16, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Quit giving them ideas, Wilt....
It’s not funny, anymore…. ;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Why is it that I keep getting....
this image of Wilt standing behind the curtains in Lovie’s office whispering and giggling?
Rashied Davis would make a great wideout….. (he, he, he)
Omiyale should play guard (he, he, he)
Hey, I’ll bet Danieal Manning would be three times better if we had him play three positions at once (he, he, he)
Try Corey Graham at FS (he, he, he)
Greg Olsen would make a good center…yeah, a pass catching center…no seriously, try it…. (he, he, he)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
lol
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
1st and 3rd.....
AZ TDs. Don’t know why the link didn’t catch, but here it is again……
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
AND.....
Implying that Olsen doesn’t belong in the same conversation is short-sighted at best. You used not having film as an excuse. I found tons, only a little of which I used, by using……….Google. You could use it, too.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 16, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
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