Would Torry Holt fit in well with the Bears?
by Kev H on Feb 8, 2010 7:00 PM CST
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The Bears receiving corp is still a little suspect. I don't think anyone is surprised by that. With the new, pass-oriented offense that is likely to be installed, there are still many who are saying "Well, that's great...who're they throwing it to, exactly?
Much like they were last year, the strong rumor floating around recently is that the Bears are interested in Torry Holt, who is likely to be released by the Jacksonville Jaguars soon. (But not today, according to Neil Hayes over at the Sun-Times.) Would he be a good fit? If so, what role? Let's see if we can't figure it out.
Torry Holt is a seven-time pro-bowler that was part of one of the most prolific offenses in the history of the NFL. He's very familiar with the system, and the coordinator, and would likely be able to fall into rhythm pretty quickly. His career stats (courtesy of pro-football-reference.com):
920 Receptions, 13,382 yards, 74 touchdowns, 14.5 Yards/Reception
Now, obviously these numbers are slightly inflated by his playing for a very prolific passing team. That being said, he's going to be on a team run by the very guy who installed that offense, so there's no reason to think they'd go down too much by switching teams. He knows the style of offense, and he knows what the coach expects.
The big concern, obviously, is his age. He's played 11 seasons, and would be going into 12. His numbers have dropped off a bit over the last two years, but there are other factors there, as well. In 2009, again from PFR:
51 Receptions, 722 yards, 0 TD, 14.2 yards/rec
That was as he switched teams, and was re-learning a system. Still, you can see he stayed at his average/reception.
His speed is the key--he's lost some of his speed over the years, but he's got pretty decent hands. He could possibly work well, not so much as a deep threat (That'd be Mr. Knox), nor as the big dude, (That's Greg or Aromashodu), but as a 3rd receiver that you can count on in a medium to short route.
So should the Bears pick him up? Perhaps if you can get him to give a good deal--he should be amped to go somewhere that has a big arm QB, and an offensive coordinator who likes his skill set.
What say you, guys and gals?
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No-other.
Partly because he’s just old, but mainly because he would block our young receivers. We have Hester, Bennett, Knox, Aromashodu, and Iglesias, and we want to add a receiver?
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by GouldisGold on Feb 8, 2010 7:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great question:
Hester is, apparently, on a track to return to primary kick/punt return duties. Iglesias is still quite unknown, and the other still have a lot of developing to do. Since the Bears will likely be in a lot of 3 or 4 wide sets, it wouldn’t hurt to have someone knowledgable around.
I’ll be happy either way, really. I’m not married to the idea of Holt, but if you can get a cheap deal—why not give it a go?
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by Kev H on Feb 8, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
I would prefer us to pass on Holt. He would block our young talent at receiver.
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by GouldisGold on Feb 8, 2010 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And what's....
to say that, instead of blocking, he doesn’t improve and mentor those very same young receivers, making them better by helping them through the system and taking pressure off of them? Somehow Rashied Davis would be a better fit? I understand your point, and I think it’s a legitimate concern, but I also see the merit in bringing him in.
Jacksonville got rid of three of their receivers last season and drafted three, then brought in Holt to mentor them. Mike Sims-Walker credits Holt with helping his development and said he learned a lot from him. I’d like to see Devin, Johnny and Devin learn from him, especially considering the complexity of the system they have to learn.
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by T-Train on Feb 9, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holt is insurance
Just in case one of these young, green WRs brain cease to function after trying to digest Martz play book. True or not regarding the Bears WRs unable to learn Turners playbook, the team can’t afford for any young WR to sit on the side line in a so-call development status.
by Soloistic on Feb 9, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My issue...
with Holt being the roster replacement for Davis is that we are likely to lose a lot of our ST’s depth this off-season.
Our key ST’s players (besides the obvious and in my opinion) are:
Shaw, Wolfe, Peterson and Davis
Shaw will return. Can you say that about Wolfe and/or Peterson? Will we carry four RB’s this year, with a Mike Martz offense? We will probably lose one (maybe both) of these players.
I’m fine with keeping seven receivers, or four rb’s. But I just don’t wanna keep subtracting away from our one area of strength.
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by smudgers on Feb 9, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bears have to give in those areas
Over the years the Bears have kept players who made good ST assets but mediocre/terrible at their primary position which has damage the offense and defense. Those guys you are mentioning couldn’t provide decent support when when their position’s starter had to leave the field. At least replace half of those players who are good ST with guys who can also contribute on other areas of the team.
Peterson made a decent ST player but was mediocre as a RB. The Cowboys core of RBs is ideal. Davis and Wolfe couldn’t do anything for the offense.
Get some guys with real potential.
by Soloistic on Feb 9, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are not expected to be Barry Sanders as a third string running back or Jerry Rice as a sixth WR. These positions are for depth, sure, but ST’s are a very important part of the game.
And Peterson is more than average for what he is. He’s been solid as a ST performer and reliable when called to carry the ball. THAT is more than ideal. As for Wolfe, I can’t really say much about him, I’ve never really cared much for the guy. Maybe he can excel in a Martz offense. I dunno.
All I’m saying is that I don’t want the Bears to give in all of those areas. If they get rid of AP and Wolfe, I’d probably keep Davis. Our ST’s are extremely important to our success. At least it has been in the past.
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by smudgers on Feb 9, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree somewhat
Since the Angelo era, the Bears have been known for ST and Defense. This org have kept certain players or they have occupied reserve roles due to their ST ability, when the team lacked real depth at that position.
After DA recovered from his injury, reports from the media was he can’t get on the field because Davis contribution to special teams. What? The Bears were failing miserably on offense and needed a spark of any kind, but they didn’t want to make a move due to special teams? I can understand if that player was a critical force on the offensive line and the Bears didn’t want to disturb the chemistry of the offense to improve the ST.
True depth is when the backup of a quality player is good enough to sub the star player. But the Bears offense lack star players and the depth behind that player probably couldn’t get on the field with another team.
The Bears RB and WR core lack stars and quality, non-contributing players (backups) all down the depth chart.
I could understand if we had Barry Sanders than keeping Peterson makes since. But since the Bears do not, keep finding guys until a Barry Sander or someone close to him can come in and be his backup.
Right now the Bears have nothing on offense and defense, so what is the use of special teams when your opponent puts up 30 points and your special teams avg a TD a game? Where is the production from offense and defense? The Bears have none, so find the star or good player first, then you have depth – keep a Peterson.
by Soloistic on Feb 9, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so confused.
Peterson would only make sense behind a Barry Sanders? And you think it’s easy as “keep finding players” to get a Barry Sanders? And lastly, you really believe we have “nothing” on offense and defense?
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by smudgers on Feb 9, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who was Barry Sanders backup?
And how sweet would that job be? Like being a punter for the Colts…. Oh, and it’s good to see you haven’t lost your sense of confusion….
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by Just Dave on Feb 9, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa there
Why Barry Sanders? We had a RB of our very own who was sweet to watch.
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by Spongie on Feb 12, 2010 4:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Browns Release Stallworth
Bears should sign him before Holt.
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by phastphil on Feb 8, 2010 7:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think they would likely pass
because he seems to have, uh, let’s call them “personal character issues”
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by Kev H on Feb 8, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has he had more than the one (albeit terrible) "incident"?
If he has and there is a pattern of behavior I’d agree, but if not, shouldn’t he get a second chance?
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by Just Dave on Feb 8, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he has only had the one
…to the best of my knowledge. I’m not against the second chance, but we did finally let Benson go for “lesser” transgressions.
I don’t have a problem with him getting a chance, personally, I just don’t see this particular organization doing it.
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by Kev H on Feb 8, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Benson had a pattern of "poor choices".
Starting with coming off as lazy, then getting accused of being intoxicated in a boat and then a late night DUI accusation within a relatively short period of time. I hate that Stallworth drove drunk, but that’s poor judgement that resulted in a terrible mistake. Poor judgement once is not a pattern and the veteran presence would be welcome. Plus he’d probably be VERY affordable which would fit our organization to a “T”.
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by Just Dave on Feb 8, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And now he has a pattern of
Running over everybody in sight and keeping his nose clean.
by sabbath999 on Feb 9, 2010 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree wholeheartedly.
Benson actually had a “perceived” pattern of poor choices. He just came off in the wrong light.
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by Just Dave on Feb 9, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I noticed I'm really "overdoing" it with the whole "quotes" thing.
Just an “observation.”
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by Just Dave on Feb 9, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna "call you out" on that earlier.
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by smudgers on Feb 9, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno how "perceived" it is.
Didn’t he have drunken driving and drunken boating? I mean, the obvious next step was drunken helicoptering
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by Kev H on Feb 9, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bengals will sign him
…before we even have a chance at him.
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by GouldisGold on Feb 8, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say yes just a 1 yr. deal
I say the Bears make Hester full time returner. DA, Knox, Bennett, and Holt.
by BEARSFAN19 on Feb 8, 2010 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Partially agree with you
Hester won’t be much of a factor next season. The sense I get is Hester will go back and help Bear ST or be a gimmicky player. Holt will ensure the Bears offense have capable people operating in it just in case a receiver currently on the Bears can’t swallow Martz playbook. But Holt can’t be no1 or depended on for majority of catches.
by Soloistic on Feb 8, 2010 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone saying that the guy that lead our receivers in.....
in receptions, yards, yards per reception, catches over 25 yards and most stats that we just spent 3 years developing should be pulled from the line-up? Because he might return to form on ST? Sounds like something Lovie would do. Why leave well enough alone when you could shift a player from a position he’s doing well in to move him somewhere he might do well……..
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by T-Train on Feb 9, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't read too much into Hester's stats
Who can’t lead this group of WRs in those categories? Hester is the equivalent Tyus Thomas. He’ll give you a spectacular move now and then, but overall his game is terrible. Hester has one skill that is speed, but the requirements to be a top flight WR he lacks. Even Martz suggest Hester will be his Az Hakim, who can get wide open due to speed on 1 or 2 routes, but didn’t break into the starting lineup after Bruce and Holtz left or with any other team. When was the last time you heard Hakim’s name in a game situation since the Greatest Show on Turf? Knox after his rookie year is right now at Hester level and he can do more than Hester. Knox was selected as an alternate in the Pro Bowl, which says a lot about Hester. He’s no more than a gimmick guy or a team’s 3 or 4th WR. Hester stats are inflated, because he can get down field faster than majority of the guys in the NFL, but can’t run the entire route tree or beat his man on intermediate and short routes. DA is a better WR than Hester.
by Soloistic on Feb 9, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm writing a post now that disputes all of that......
Hester would have crossed 1000 yards had he not been injured, and ……..
Well, I’ll save it for the post.
It’ll be up in a few.
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by T-Train on Feb 9, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, i didnt see him last year
I’m sure Cutler likes his guys now and bringing in band aid may not be the best thing. He may hinder devolpment of younger recievers but we also may have injuries at the posistion so who knows. I would rather get a younger guy but Idk who is out there. Hester will hopefully be playing the 3-4 wr spot or hb ala Bush and go back to returning full time. Might not be a bad thing if we get Holt if no one better is out there. We still need a) too.
by Ryan21 on Feb 8, 2010 7:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind if Holt was a Bear for a year...
…but I don’t see a burning need to acquire an older WR who is likely running on fumes as a third receiver. I think the stabilizing factor of Holt’s experience is now over rated with Martz taking the helm on the offensive side of the ball.
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by Maelvampyre on Feb 8, 2010 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If you liked old slow ass Marty Booker
Then, you’ll LOVE Tory Holt.
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by SackMan on Feb 8, 2010 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time Booker had over 700 yards?
or started for a team other than Chicago, for that matter?
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by T-Train on Feb 9, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He started 15 games for the Dolphins
in 2007. Had only 556 yds though. Last had 700 yds in ’06.
by GallopingGhost on Feb 9, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly my point......
Holt has been a consistent producer for years, and still produced 722 yds and 50 receptions while learning a new system in JAX. The comparison doesn’t hold water.
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by T-Train on Feb 9, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Holt would be such a typical BS Bears move that it is practically inevitable.
As much as I want us to sign a veteran WR, Torry Holt’s old ass is not the answer. Remember Adam Archuletta and Orlando Pace? Signing Holt would have the same result, but management would act like they are geniuses. I’d be OK with him as a WR coach, but not as like a real life player. Frankly WCG nation we are in a fight because so many of you answered yes.
by No It All on Feb 8, 2010 10:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Unless you want to cut Igleasis...
Or carry 7 WR this is a terrible idea.
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by Sklz711 on Feb 8, 2010 10:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or Davis.
Or alternatively, if you’re going to go the “move Hester around like Reggie Bush” route, you call him a RB and cut Wolfe.
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by Kev H on Feb 8, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wolfe is ......
……… going to benefit most from Mike Martz . Mark my words this will be the year we see Garrett Wolfe break out .
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 9, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They may carry 7 wide outs with the new offense
Here are the receivers on the rosters of those Martz led offenses, a few of those years Mike Furrey was listed as a DB/WR
1999 Rams – 6 WR
2000 Rams – 7 WR
2001 Rams – 5 WR
2002 Rams – 7 WR
2003 Rams – 6 WR
2004 Rams – 6 WR
2006 Det – 9 WR
2007 Det – 6 WR
2008 San Fran – 8 WR
And for the record I’d like Holt as the #4 WR, and even bring in Kitna to be the #3 QB. Two guys that know the Martz playbook and will help translate it to the Bears players.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
I think I’d rather see; Hester, Bennett, Knox, Aromashodu, Rideau, Igleasias and Holt (Not in that order) if they do want more than 5.
by GallopingGhost on Feb 9, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RIDEAU?!?!?
You’re kidding right? That guy isn’t even on teh Bears. HE didn’t play at all in 2009.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right..
But he can play and he was really close to making he final roster. He’s younger than Holt which is a plus too.
by GallopingGhost on Feb 9, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He also went unsigned the entire 2009 season
He isn’t a good football player.
Then again, while we’re at it, lets go get Ariese Curry, Mike Haas, and Jamin Elliot!
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Touche
Now I feel dumb. I just don’t think Holt can help the Bears very much this year, personally.
by GallopingGhost on Feb 9, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2006 Detroit
9 wrs, seriously 9, what are they thinking
by DaHamsta on Feb 10, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MY PICK FOR WR
I would like to see if the Bears could pick up Plaxico Burress, Malcom Floyd, Hank Basket, Derek Hagan, or Jason Avant.
Do not, I repeat do not pick up Holt or Stallworth. Don’t need the attitiude of Stallworth nor any more older players like Holt on the team.
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by Mcbchild on Feb 8, 2010 10:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not familiar with any attitude issues for Stallworth
at least no more than Plaxico Burress. And Hank Baskett? The guy dating the Playboy bunny? Honestly? Is this gonna be the Philadelphia Eagles reject squad?
I don’t think we should be in such a desperate rush to put just anyone with NFL experience on the roster at the risk of delaying the development of the guys we have. Knox, DA, Iglesias – they all just need time to grow. Barring an Anquan Boldin trade, I think the guys we have now are about as good as we’re gonna get, considering the FA market.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Feb 8, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Burress, really?
He’d be real effective for us… without the handcuffs, that is. Plax doesn’t get out of jail until Spring of next year, and there’s a good chance that football is a no-go in 2011. Yet, you still think we should sign him?
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by smudgers on Feb 9, 2010 7:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
All he brings is his experience with the system. We have younger and faster possession guys in Bennett and DA, whose progress would be impeded by Holt as a WR. As I said, if he wants a job as assistant WR coach I’d be all for it.
by SaintCee on Feb 8, 2010 11:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kev H has a GREAT list there of Wideouts that would be tempting. I believe the best of the bunch would be Malcolm Floyd. Big, fast (not Hester fast but decent) and good hands. He’s not staying in SD because they already have an awesome WR in Vincent, but, we’d get him fairly cheap and he’s be a great go to in the red zone.
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Feb 9, 2010 1:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he is staying in San Diego....
SD cut Chris Chambers because they know what they have in Malcolm Floyd. Plus, the guy is a RESTRICTED free agent. Good luck prying him away from San Diego… to whomever tries.
Stallworth should be the Bears second choice, behind only B Marsh!
by Homer-ism101 on Feb 9, 2010 3:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, no I didn't.
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by Kev H on Feb 9, 2010 7:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO - other
marty booker, muhsin muhhamad, tory holt….
by celerysalt on Feb 9, 2010 7:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ya know, we could probably grab all 3 this offseason...
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by SaintCee on Feb 9, 2010 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't make me smack you so early in the morning.
It makes my hand hurt later in the day.
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by Kev H on Feb 9, 2010 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd like to do better than holt..
but he undoubtedly would bring more to the table in 2010 than davis or iglesias.
by Hatchetm on Feb 9, 2010 9:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why another receiver?
Torry Holt may be perenial Pro-Bowl receiver, but The Bears don’t need another receiver. We have many talented guys that just need a chance to develop. Especially Bennett, I mean the guy led the SEC in receptions and he only played 3 years. We need to let him and Aromashadu learn and grow in the system, instead of trying to throw scabs on our offense with aging players……….Orlando Pace anybody.
by ghostrider31 on Feb 9, 2010 10:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We might as well develop the players we already have. It's not as if the Bears are headed for the Super Bowl this year.
I wouldn’t mind Torry for a year, but strictly as a 3rd down posession option and playing a mentor role. The guy has been a top rate receiver for a long time and is ruputed to be an exceptional teammate. I never felt Muhsin was into mentoring any of our receivers and Marty just had a couple of outstanding years at the front of his career.
by BigGeorgeTX on Feb 9, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mentor
if we can sign Holt on the cheap side, his value is not on the field, his value is his knowledge of the system and how to go about your business as an elite WR. He would be a mentor to the young receiving corp. I think it’s alway helpful to have a vet on on the team that can show them how to do things other than the position coach.
There’s no doubt that our WRs could benefit from having a Mentor like Torry Holt. Plus, if something happens to one or more receivers, I think he could do a serviceable job filling in. I’m not too familiar with the ins and out of the Martz offense, but doesn’t it rely heavily on timing? You don’t need to be too fast to have the timing down.
by Subotai on Feb 9, 2010 10:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I voted too old, too slow
If Holt walked in knowing his role. Meaning, he understands that he is a situational possession receiver and that he is expected to be a mentor to the WR’s we already have…
I then may be inclined to change my vote.
by rdent4hof on Feb 9, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I agree, that’s the way I think it should happen.
However, everyone is chugging Holt Haterade, but really, in this system, just because he’s slower than the people we have currently doesn’t necessarily mean he’s going be worse off than our inexperienced group of WRs.
Just because they’re fast doesn’t mean that equals good/productive WR. I don’t see how it’s helpful to be in the wrong spot with blazing speed.
Torry Holt is no Jerry Rice, not even close. But I think he can be similar to Raider Jerry Rice if healthy. Run a great route, be where he’s supposed to be when he’s supposed to be, equates to first downs and catches. I’ll take that over some guy who is fast as hell but only in the right spot part of the time.
Obviously if our young guys can pick up the offense without a problem and work hard, then of course they will be more productive than Holt. But I don’t think you can count on that.
by Subotai on Feb 9, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Still waiting to see Juaquin Iglesias.
I think this kid will have a great 2010 when given the chance. Kind of sucks that he will be learning a new playbook in only his second season. I don’t hear a lot of talk on here about him, but I look for big things out of him in the future. Aromashadu, Iglesias, Knox, and Bennet…all young and very promising. I really don’t think we need another WR to add to the mix unless it is someone like Brandon Marshall. I do agree with rdent4hof and wouldn’t mind to see Holt as a mentor for our young receivers, especially since he knows the playbook.
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by monsterman34 on Feb 9, 2010 1:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kind of makes you wonder why he wasn't playing this year ...
… because he couldn’t hack it, and now he has to learn a bigger playbook ? Good luck. Another Angelo bust, are you blind ?
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 10, 2010 1:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Turner should have made sure that he learned it,
just like Bennet. I don’t know how many times I have said this, Lovie waits until he is backed into a corner to play his younger talent, thats it. You don’t know why he didn’t play last season and neither do I, so to speculate is just that. I can’t stand JA and think he should have been gone along time ago, but I am not ready to write off someone before they have been given a chance, that’s down right ignorant blind man.
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by monsterman34 on Feb 10, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOl some of you guys dont get it..
We dont have a starting wr or a number 1 we have some decent prospects and hester just got demoted to return man.So you have knox,bennett,and the other devin thats 3 guys.You need guys like, Plaxico Burress, Malcom Floyd, Hank Basket,maybe even a matt jones.I think holt in this group can only help them. holt has anthor year or 2 left decent years.iglesias and the rest would learn big time off him.Cutler cant go into anthor season were guys cant run routs.
by tazz34 on Feb 9, 2010 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
YES!
A Matt Jones reference!
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Im going to rip my hair out.
"How sad, another victim of the Night Nurses from Jersey."
by ANYTIME09 on Feb 13, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see some sense spoken !
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 10, 2010 1:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All of our receivers are very young,
you talk like they have been in the league for years. If Aromashadu doesn’t have a break out season this coming season, I will come on here and personally tell you how right you were. If he does have a break out year like I think he will, I will be on here telling you I told you so. We’ll see how that goes.
Walter Payton lives on!!!
by monsterman34 on Feb 10, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we relax with the Plaxico talk
He’ll be in Jail until next year and what about the Bears makes you think they would sign an ex-con who hasn’t played ball in 2 and a half seasons when they release players for drinking in a boat?
We need viable options, Marshall..not viable, Floyd..not viable, Boldin..not viable. We have no first day draft picks to even think about pitching a trade for these guys and unless a CBA is agreed upon..soon, they will all be Restricted Free Agents.
At least Holt and Stallworth were released…so lets use viable names for once, not pipe dreams.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 10, 2010 2:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
o.k i must of missed the part where you said Holt would help us..
In that case i agree with you. I just really don’t wanna hear any more Plaxico Burress references though lol, not gonna happen in this lifetime.
by Chitownproduct on Feb 10, 2010 3:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I suddenly see
a bunch of Hank Baskett talk?
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by Kev H on Feb 10, 2010 7:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was wondering that myself
What’s he done besides knock up one of Hef’s old girlfriends? He 7’0"? Sub 4.0 40?
by SaintCee on Feb 10, 2010 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some optimism of have Martz
Being on the NFL network and having to analyze the Bears with other coaches and players and getting their opinion could help understand what this offense needs. Why Hester should be a slot WR. Why he might need to bring in additional guys at certain position.
by Soloistic on Feb 9, 2010 2:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would sign Holt in a second!
Holt is old and has a bad knee,but he has more intangibles then are whole WR core.If anybody knows this system it’s Holt.He thrived in it (granted that was light years ago) and he had like 700 yards receiving with the Jaguars! David Garrard throwing too him! He can probably run a better route then anybody we have now.Hes not fast,he will not thrive in cold weather,but he knows the system,and he knows enough to teach are WR core.It’s a no brainier…..
by bears rock on Feb 9, 2010 3:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's old ... has a bad knee .... BUT ?
Gmph.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 10, 2010 1:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our. OUR.
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by Spongie on Feb 12, 2010 4:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted no, other
and here’s my explanation.
Because nothing matters until Angelo is fired. If a Holt deal is anything more than a one year deal that would harm future cap space then it’s stupid.
by Internet Legend on Feb 9, 2010 4:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
True,but Holt can probably teach more to are WR’S in a year,then Daryle Drake can in a lifetime.
by bears rock on Feb 9, 2010 4:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do we need a vet receiver ?
Absolutely. A vet receiver like Brandon Marshall (6’4) who is not slow, not old, knows Cutler and catches more passes than anyone whose name isn’t Wes Welker. Vincent Jackson (6’5) would do nicely. Why would we want an old, slow 6’0 receiver ? Bennett is an average receiver at best (6’0). Knox and Hester are tiny. We need big weapons, tall weapons. Go out and get Brandon Rideau off the street, give the man a damn job, admit our mistake in letting him go to keep Iglesias/Rashied Davis.
by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 10, 2010 1:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
anyone is saying Holt is more desireable than Marshall or Jackson. That’s just silly. But, our chances of being able to get one of those guys is going to be next to nothing, especially with this uncapped year.
If Holt is release as suspected, then he should be easy to get here.
Also, I’m not sure Rideau or Davis qualify as the type of Vet we need. Not sure how much they can teach the guys we currently have.
by Subotai on Feb 10, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Denver will be asking for a first and a third.
Let’s be realistic,we are not going to get a Brandon Marshall or Vincent Jackson.So why not sign a guy who is a perfect fit for the system,and knows how too thrive in the system.Personally if we are going to get a big name I say go for defense.Like a FS,or a game changing DT,defensive end.
by bears rock on Feb 10, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally something we somewhat agree on.
I would be happy if they picked up BM or VJ, either one would be nice, but we don’t need Holt. I would love to see Hester go back to mainly being our return specialist. Use him in various situations on the offense, out of the slot or in various wildcat formations, but limit his play time on offense. He is the Best Return Man I have ever witnessed and I’ve been watching football for a long time. I liked Brandon Rideau from the little I saw of him in preseason. I can’t stand Rashied Davis, should have been gone awhile back. The jury is still out on Iglesias. How can you are I give an honest opinion when neither one of us has seen him in regular season. Who knows, he might suck…who knows, he might be better than you think. This team has bigger problems than at the WR position, they should address those first.
Walter Payton lives on!!!
by monsterman34 on Feb 10, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wide outs
Why are the Bears not looking at Matt Jones he’s Big & Cheap with awesome hands. He would be a great target for Cutler and he’s still young. Im sure being out of the league for a year, he must have done some soul searching and grown up some. He may be worth the risk
by Asskickers on Feb 12, 2010 11:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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