Are the Bears going backwards?

by Adam T on Feb 9, 2010 4:16 PM CST in Notes Comment 83 comments

I know, I know, who is this guy posting? Feel free to drop all the "did we get another new writer?" ribbings that you like. I was poking around the internet today and came across some quotes by new Bears OC Mike Martz.

Concerning Greg Olsen:

All tight ends, their first responsibility, they have to put their hand down on the line of scrimmage and be a successful blocker, and then they move to receiving," Martz said. "To just skip by that and say, 'He's a terrific receiver,' well, then you might as well just put another wide receiver in there.

Has Martz been out of the league so long that he hasn't realized what a weapon he has in Greg Olsen? We are going to take one of the best tight ends in the leauge and make him a block first player?

On Devin Hester:

Devin Hester in that role could just be stupid good, if that makes sense to you," Martz said. "It would be very difficult for him to play every snap on offense and still play effectively on special teams."

I can't even begin to wrap my head around this one. This is the same Devin Hester who everybody here or anywhere else on the internet said was best suited for the slot, but the Bears insisted he is their #1. Now that he finally took some steps in the right direction toward being that #1, he is going to pull back? Did Hester say he wanted to do more returning before or after he was told he is going to the slot? Does he want to move back to returns because he is realizing that he isn't a #1 or because the other Devin looks to be the Bears #1? Do we now get to take back some of that money since he may now be a returner and #3 receiver? Is Lovie Smith so desperate to keep this gig going that he is letting Martz completely run the show?

For what it is worth, I think Mike Martz will be on his best behavior this season. If the ship goes sideways or worse, sinks, but the offense plays well, Martz might think he has a leg up for the coaching job. He doesn't want to come in and butt head's with the Bears golden boy. That won't get him anywhere.

In other going backwards news, the Bears did just bring in Hot Rod to fix the Bears defensive line, so now we are promoting him, so somebody else will primarily be working with the line? Does that mean if Martz flops, Mike Tice is our next head coach? Do the Bears have any promising coaching prospects on the roster, because everybody else seems to.

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Head Coaching prospect.

Why not Dave Toub?

by JordanRay on Feb 9, 2010 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I second that....

Andy Reid has already been quoted as saying that Toub would be a good head coach, so it’s not like the idea isn’t out there.

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.

Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.

by T-Train on Feb 9, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I support that move as well

make it happen. (if only it were that easy)

by lindemrm on Feb 9, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, Please

And +1.

He should be given a chance at the position once Lovie is gone. He has had a tremendous impact on our STs unit.

The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.

by GouldisGold on Feb 9, 2010 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Moving Hester to the slot is an obvious move

Hester as a #1 is a mistake. He can be a great slot receiver.

by MuleTrain on Feb 9, 2010 4:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i love the title to this post

I think our offense is moving forward and our defense is taking steps backwards that get bigger and bigger each passing week.

by Ryan21 on Feb 9, 2010 4:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs

Wait

I think Martz comments are saying this.’

Olsen is not a wide reciever. He is a tight-end. He needs to learn how to block first. Then we can put him split out, or tight. I mean if Olsen learns how to block he could be the best tight-end in the league. Also then defenses will worry about covering the tight-end and our other recievers will get open. I mean last year if we had Davis and Clark as tight ends we were probably going to run. Now if Olsen can block then defenses won’t be able to figure out the scheme.

by Seejay on Feb 9, 2010 5:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

+1 exactly - Let me add to the HANDLING OF HESTER

The offensive plan is exposed every Sunday if you know when Olsen is on the line, most likely it is a passing situation. Martz is right, Olsen primary responsibility is to block and 2nd is receiving. An all around TE keeps defenses guessing. Minn AP a great RB who couldn’t catch, but tip the hand of the Off to the opposing Def when he comes off the field on passing downs. So def played the run heavy on 1 and 2nd downs. Olsen has to get better, which was the msg from Martz.

To add to Martz assessment of what Hester will be or what the Bears should’ve done from the start is to not name, at the time, the no 1 WR, but to start him as a gimmick player then move to 4th, then 3rd and so on up the depth chart until he earn the right to start or carry the label as no 1 WR.

What is obvious to an ept OC is how Hester should have been use and paid based on number of plays and depth chart position that Ron Turner failed to see. Moreover, it shows how inept Angelo is at scouting offensive talent to give Hester a contract without properly understanding his role on in the offense, ST, and learning curve then consult the OC before deciding what to pay this guy, which could have been considerably less with contract kickers.

Nevertheless, Martz a successful OC, shows what control Ron Turner lacked. Turner allowed Angelo to force Hester on to his offense as a no 1 WR. A guy who played DB and PR/KR is entire career.

So even tho I would have preferred someone else other than Martz, he might be what this team needs. An OC with the balls to run his offense regardless of what the HC or GM thinks. In the Bears case, this might be a good thing since the entire org is made up with defensive guys.

by Soloistic on Feb 10, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sometimes i wish i was a fly on the wall during Bears coaching meetings.

I wonder if Ron Turner was really gung ho to say Heck no, I do not want Frank Omiyale starting after 3 abbysmal games. or like you said, Heck no..Devin Hester will not be implemented as the #1 receiver without at least earning it first or, Heck no i don’t want Pace’s old decrepit ass taking reps away from Cdub’s natural position where he will flourish, or Heck No, I want Devin Aromashadu in the starting lineup right now and not sitting because you want rookies and Hester to get more reps.

So then Jerry Angelo would reply, “If you wanna keep your job you sorry excuse for an offensive playcaller, you better do as i say or i’ll send your sorry behind packing back to Champagne where you can work in the cafeteria”

So yeah, i wonder how much of last year was JA telling Ron who to play, or Ron just having no idea who to play to get the most out of the offense.

by Chitownproduct on Feb 10, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's the point. He's a liability on offense. And not even a good receiver .....

by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 2:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that there's something to the......

Olsen quote that you left out that was supremely important. The quote finished with:

The good ones are good at both of those things, and Greg affords us the ability to get the best of both and be a complete player at that position. If we can get him to the same level both in the running game and the passing game, then you’ve got potentially the best tight end in the league.

What I see in that is Martz feeling like, if Tice can improve Olsen’s blocking, Olsen will be the best in the league. That sounded more like a vote of confidence in Olsen than Martz not realizing what he has. I can’t fault the logic of wanting Olsen to be an improved blocker. Replacing Olsen at the line for rushing situations kinda clues the D in. even if you don’t run once you replace him, you’ve taken out one of the best receiving options. Makes no sense.

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.

Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.

by T-Train on Feb 9, 2010 5:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

We are doing Greg a huge disservice by having him ignore blocking just because he’s a better receiver. He needs to learn to be a better blocker. Period. In addition, he needs to figure out how to adjust to the ball better.

by ChiLobo#23 on Feb 9, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with Martz regarding Olsen

..it’s time for Olsen to step up his game in all areas.

"I am not an animal!" - Merrick

by Maelvampyre on Feb 9, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I agree with you all.

Martz knows what he has with Olsen and he also knows what he doesn’t have with Olsen. I love the idea that the #1 thing you would do with him is teach him to block.

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 9, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

be the 1st round talent they though they drafted finally

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Feb 11, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes...

I’m also hoping that this motivates Olsen to get in the weight room and put on about 20-30 lbs of good weight (muscle) in the off season. It can only help him.

by Ortons Neckbeard on Feb 10, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe the best Bears coach

I have to agree that Toub might be worth looking at for the head job. He has been more consistant than any current Bears coach. I am really afraid of Martz. Bears could look like the ’08 Lions.

by Sirbrek on Feb 9, 2010 5:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I said this on another post

but i think Olsen’s blocking did improve last year.

by Jhitt81 on Feb 9, 2010 7:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

It did

He’s improved his blocking every year. But he has a ways to go to be a good blocker.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 10, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, he looks pretty awesome here against the Rams. Not.

http://www.youtube.com/user/sportsfansnetwork#p/u/15/PtRa0OFCTwY

by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 2:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's O.K.

I hear backward is the new forward. At least that’s what Lovie and Jerry keep telling me. Them and that 6 foot tall rabbit who keeps following me around….

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Feb 9, 2010 7:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

28 days, 6days, 42minutes and 12 seconds...

That is when the world is gonna… END.

by Ryan21 on Feb 9, 2010 8:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

6 hours (dammit, we need an edit button!)

by Ryan21 on Feb 9, 2010 8:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Why do you wear that stupid rabbit suit?

Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?

by Ryan21 on Feb 9, 2010 8:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

I’m new here, why the hell is everyone getting rec’d??/

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Top Coaching Prospect

On the Bears coaching staff, he’s young and he comes from an NFL family… your next Chicago Bears head coach, Mikal Smith.

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by smudgers on Feb 9, 2010 7:59 PM CST reply actions 3 recs

Touche' and a rec

Roll Tide... National Champs!!!

by Acreman20 on Feb 9, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice how they snuck that...

in after the Martz presser. The most telling part is that they never mention him as Lovie’s kid!

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Feb 10, 2010 7:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Dave Toub has done a great job as Special Teams coach, but

if/when this group fails and is launched, I’d rather they clean house completely and bring someone not associated with this group.

by BearFan611 on Feb 9, 2010 8:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

-1

No way should they get rid of Toub.

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by smudgers on Feb 9, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was referring to the HC position

if the new HC wanted to keep Toub and he wanted to stay, I’m fine with that, but I don’t think we have to grow our next HC from within this system.

by BearFan611 on Feb 9, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the only person on staff you'd see any support for is Toub.

Toub has been a great coach for the team even when the rest of the team wasn’t good, so he’d definitely be a good canidate at HC.

Associate Writer - WindyCityGridiron.com

by Sklz711 on Feb 9, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Martz is crazy

I agree w/ what you said about his comment on Olsen. Learn to use your weapons man!! And I agree with what a friend of mine said, “Martz playbook is probably more complicated than his contract.” That is crazy to think about.

by GallopingGhost on Feb 9, 2010 8:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Good post newbie, welcome to WCG but WAY off base

Greg Olsen, “one of the best tight ends in the leauge [sic].”- I think not. Only real problem with what he says is that I think Olsen is a better WR then the other wrs we would put in there.

Re Hester, you are way too caught up on the label of #1 receiver. Who cares where he lines up, stupid good as stupid does, or sumpin.

promising coaching prospects on the roster? yes his name is brian urlacher, but i don’t think that’s the roster you meant.

by No It All on Feb 9, 2010 8:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed about Urlacher

Roll Tide... National Champs!!!

by Acreman20 on Feb 9, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They've been going backwards for 3 years.

BTW… why is it that Bill Parcells has now mentored 3 head coaches who have won a SB (Belichick, Coughlin, Payton), and Lovie Smith hasn’t even mentored anyone who’s been outright hired to be a head coach? And, he needs 3 former head coaches on his staff to help him run the damn team?

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Feb 9, 2010 8:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Now that sir...

is a very good question. There are so many things I could say pro Parcell’s or anti-Lovie, I don’t even have the time right now. Thanks for bringing that up, good point.

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 9, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, the whole Dungy tree is looking pretty bare of championship caliber HCs

Hell, even Dungy only won a Super Bowl when he faced a protege.

by SaintCee on Feb 9, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fact.

And his dumbest protege to date.

by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 10, 2010 1:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tom Moore

Not a bad OC?

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 10, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good article.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0210-bears-mike-martz-chicago—20100209,0,4299679.story

You know Martz is really saying all the right things.

I like his honesty and nonbull sh%*$.

It’s really refreshing.

by bears rock on Feb 9, 2010 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

LMAO

did you guys click on (some quotes) in the first paragraph,and read there comments.

With the fight between the r8ersfan and everyone else lolololololol

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/09/martz-on-cutler-i-didnt-see-jay-as-being-difficult-to-deal-with/

by bears rock on Feb 9, 2010 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sorry but he’s not one of the best tight ends in the league. If you want to make him like Dallas Clark, a guy who isn’t expected to block, have Peyton Manning throw him the ball. That situation is one of a kind and unless you have that QB, it’s not gonna work. Tight Ends do have to block 1st, nothing about that has changed in the league. Even great receiving tight ends are relied upon to be decent blockers, maybe not all-pro blockers, but decent.

Greg Olson needs to understand the position he’s trying to play in the NFL, if he doesn’t wanna get his hands dirty, then this is not the position for him.

As much as I disagree with Martz on other issues, blame the guy who’s not willing to do the work, not the guy who’s coming in to correct the problem.

by ximan86x on Feb 9, 2010 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

It's so one of a kind...

That Tony Gonzales/Jeremy Shockey/Antonio Gates/et all never existed because Peyton Manning only plays for the Colts, and no other primarily receiving TE exists in the NFL.

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by Sklz711 on Feb 9, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tracy Porter agrees.

Although I do think Olsen would be better served by developing his all-around game, not just receiving.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Feb 10, 2010 2:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

His blocking is now...passable.

I’d much rather him work on his ability to get YAC by breaking tackles with his big frame.

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by Sklz711 on Feb 10, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ummmm these guys that you named know how to block. Read my post before replying to it. I said Dallas Clark is not relied upon to be a decent blocker and that is a one-of-a kind thing because of peyton manning.

Gonzalez, Shockey, and Gates are decent blockers and can be relied upon in that area even though they are primarily receiving TE’s.

by ximan86x on Feb 10, 2010 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

High risk, high reward.

Hiring Martz will either turn out to be a work of genius, or it will cost everyone their jobs.

"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach

by propheteer on Feb 9, 2010 9:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Disagree...

Lovie will do himself in by fully destroying the defense this season. Martz will have some success, but not enough to offset the abysmal defensive play calling!

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Feb 10, 2010 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He can blame Rod now

He’ll throw him under the bus after guiding an uninspired defense to a low 20s ranking. If only they can sign Peppers and Wilfork.

"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach

by propheteer on Feb 10, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If only they can sign Peppers and Wilfork.

I would be so happy!

by rdent4hof on Feb 10, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be like a kid in a candy store

Too bad neither one is likely to happen.

"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach

by propheteer on Feb 10, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL....

We could start calling them Vince"Whoppers" Wilfork and Julius “Payday” Peppers! :D

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.

Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.

by T-Train on Feb 10, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wilfork...

is a deal that saves Lovie’s and JA’s jobs. It would be the single best defensive signing in the Lovie era. Almost any amount would be worth it. He makes the entire defense better, just by being there. Peppers, IMHO, would never give back the amount spent on him. He could be great or awful and still all that money would be better spent elsewhere. Peppers is a beast and I would love to see him play for the Bears, but his impact on the Bears defense would not be as great as Wilfork. But still…we can dream.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Feb 10, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

It would be the single best defensive signing in the Lovie era.

Right up there with Ricky Manning Jr. & Adam Archueletta

by rdent4hof on Feb 10, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+100

"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach

by propheteer on Feb 10, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, now with more humility and far less effectiveness. You asked for it.

I was poking around the internet today and came across some quotes by new Bears OC Mike Martz.

You’ve actually been on the internet lately??? (God this was better (at least in my own mind) the first time) Read through all your (WCG) posts and this may make sense (yet I doubt it). I should just call it quits but yet I feel committed now. I tripped over my own cleverness and face planted into my own ego. That hurts on so many levels. Ouch.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Feb 9, 2010 10:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Before I leave this site,

just one question…who the hell came up with this post? Never heard of the guy : ) So little information about anything really, kind of like a hollow shell of a post don’t ya think? All in good fun, thanks for the info.

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 9, 2010 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Hey!

Since when did newbs get front pages!!!

Formerly Scespy12... needed a better name!

by Eaten by Bears on Feb 10, 2010 12:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs

Agreed, looks like they'll let anyone use lame aol speak on here.

Price Check on aisle BOOM.

by Ditkavsworld on Feb 10, 2010 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have no problem with Olsens roles being split between blocking and receiving.

But if he just becomes a blocker, then Martz is an idiot.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Feb 10, 2010 12:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think that’s what Martz is saying. He’s saying that you have to be able to block if you want to play that position. If he can’t block and his only job is to receive, then we should just replace him with another receiver.

by ximan86x on Feb 10, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you watch football ?

“Has Martz been out of the league so long that he hasn’t realized what a weapon he has in Greg Olsen? We are going to take one of the best tight ends in the league and make him a block first player?”

Are you for real ? Greg Olsen is one of the best tight ends in the league ? He’s a big girl. He plays pattycake blocksies, drops crucial third down passes, drops too many passes full stop, doesn’t stretch, can’t get open, lacks toughness and takes entire games off (popping up with a useless TD now and then). Take out the Arizona blowout and he had 5 TDs in 15 games = 1 TD in every 3 games. Your supposed #1 receiver, your 1st round draft pick ? In one particular game, don’t remember who against, but he was targeted 14 times by Cutler, caught 2, 1 TD. Story of his season. He was a huge factor in our inability to run, aside from Omiyale.

Angelo drafted him because he was from the same college he was. Period. Olsen is a bust. Tony Gonzalez can block, Gates, Clark, Daniels, Shockey, you name it. This is football. You need to block. Walter payton was a great blocker – was he too great a player to block ? No, man it’s part of the game ! You don’t play in the U.S Open if your backhand is no good ! It’s a man’s game and Greg Olsen can’t play it. We need to get some draft ammo for this fool before the rest of the league figured out what fans have known for some time. Greg. Olsen Is. A. Big. girl.

Watch the first clip : Olsen v the Rams. Pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/user/sportsfansnetwork#p/u/15/PtRa0OFCTwY
http://www.youtube.com/user/sportsfansnetwork#p/u/0/UyLJUBTA4_c

by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 10, 2010 1:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

those links are fuxed

so you have to copy and paste. but well worth it. olsen is a big pansy.

by Hatchetm on Feb 10, 2010 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

????

Just a few fact to counter your opinion.

Olsen had all of 4 drops in 2009. Not bad for a guy who “drops too many passes”. Some of the horrible TEs who had more drops? V Davis (11), Celek (9,) McMichael (9), Shiancoe (6), F Davis (5), Pettigrew (5), Winslow (5). Of those, only V Davis, Celek and Winslow were targeted more, and all have a higher drop/target percentage. Guess you were a bit off base.

Meaningless TDs? The Bears record when Olsen scored in the last 2 years? 8-3 (.727). When he didn’t score in the same period? 8-13 (.381). How meaningless were they, again?

I love the “take away” argument. Well, if you take away the 4 drops he had, he had 104 more passes thrown his way that he didn’t drop a single one of. guess that makes him the surest handed TE in the game. Or if you take away all the games he didn’t score TDs in, he scored in every game left. Silly argument, really.

Gates can Block? really? Since when. Because the Chargers pull him out in blocking situations and he looks a lot like Olsen when he’s forced to block. Shockey and Gonzales, I’ll give you, but if you call what Clark does blocking, I beg to differ. Sure, once in a while he pulls one off, but he’s not even called on to try most of the time and there is a reason for that. Cooley, Winslow? Same.

Nobody is calling Olsen a great blocker. They’re saying he needs to be trained, and Tice will. Olsen has never really been expected to block before. Does that make him incapable of learning? Why?

This just sounds like more typical Bears crap. Hey, lets throw away a good asset so we can have a another guess at it. Development? Pfhhhh! What’s that?

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.

Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.

by T-Train on Feb 10, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Olsen is not productive ...

Of course I can ‘take away’ the Arizona game. Did we win ? No. The game was over. The point is that in the other 15 games he average 1 TD every 3 games. He scored 3 TDs in one game ? So what, we lost. We were hammered. This is all you need to know about Greg Olsen’s ‘production’ ….. ready ? Drum roll …..

GREG OLSEN CAUGHT TEN PASSES AFTER WEEK FOUR.

Let that sit for a while …. sinking in yet ? After game four he averaged 0.83 catches per game. Now tell me Greg Olsen is productive. And go tell Larry Mayer …

by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 2:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not following you on this.

GREG OLSEN CAUGHT TEN PASSES AFTER WEEK FOUR.

that is not true. He had 50 receptions after week 4. LINK

by MuleTrain on Feb 11, 2010 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought that sounded crazy.

Too lazy to check though.

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 11, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Look how dumb this post makes you look. Just look at yourself, stand back and look at yourself.

If your are going to be brash enough to post stats, make sure they are correct. Geez.

"How sad, another victim of the Night Nurses from Jersey."

by ANYTIME09 on Feb 13, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Walter Payton...

was one of the best blocking rb’s I have ever seen, no doubt. The All Around Best Player I have ever seen as far as that goes. My only concern with trading Olsen is JA not picking up the right player if it is for draft picks. I am not a big fan of JA and he has proven himself to not get the most out of his early draft picks. If it involved a FA that has a proven track record and a important need of ours, I am all for it.

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Feb 10, 2010 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And get this ...

After 4 games of this season, how many catches did Olsen have, go on …guess ….. 10 ? Correct. Ten fargin passes in 12 games. Legend.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/biggs-breaking-down-bears-tight-ends.html

by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 10, 2010 2:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

greg olsen

is still being hyped? come on people. he’s serviceable, but one of the best in the league? come on.

by celerysalt on Feb 10, 2010 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Think you mis-interpreted that stat

Ten fargin passes in 12 games

From Biggs

Olsen had only 10 catches after the first four games

I think he meant he only had 10 catches in the first 4 games, he just worded it a bit strangely.

Olsen’s stats for the year were average compared to other TEs. 10th in recs, 11th in yards, 19th in YPC, tied for 4th in TDs. TDs were skewed by the Arizona bloodbath though, 3 of his 8 there. He still needs a lot of work.

by SaintCee on Feb 10, 2010 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, Biggs made a typo, it was 10 catches in the first four games. other way around.

Spotted SaintCee … have to give him his due …

by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 2:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What?

You forgot that he rapes puppies, man. Look, he ended the season leading the team in receptions and TD. If you want to Cherry Pick games, I point you to the stretch mid season when he caught 25 balls for 233 yards and 3 TDs……

And what’s with the 10 passes over 12 games? Ummmm, by my math that leave 50 over 12 games and 6 TDs.

I get it, you don’t like Olsen. But do you really want to get rid of our most effective offensive weapon because you don’t think he can learn to block? Argue all you like. Cherry Pick all you like. But reality is that Olsen did more scoring and more receiving than anyone else on the team, and you want him thrown away on the off chance that Jerry Angelo MIGHT pick something better with the draft pick? Remember that you’re talking about the same guy who picked the TE you’re currently flaming. Do you really think that sounds right? Do you really have more confidence in JA’s ability to draft offensive quality than you have in Olsen’s ability to develop?

Let me say it again for effect. You want JA to trade away the most effective player on the offense for a draft pick fro JA to use on the offense.

Think about it.

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.

Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.

by T-Train on Feb 10, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Think about it.

Why think when knee-jerk rants are so much more… Chicago?

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"I don’t care if Belichick wins twenty Super Bowls. He’s an asshole." - Da Coach
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Feb 10, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints - T-Train.

Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein.

by T-Train on Feb 10, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Spongie, you need to just move to Chicago and be done with it

You think too much like us to live in england lol.

by Chitownproduct on Feb 11, 2010 3:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

But I’m not of Polish descent! :-D

by Spongie on Feb 12, 2010 4:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LMAO

What about greek?

by Chitownproduct on Feb 12, 2010 4:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

“. But reality is that Olsen did more scoring and more receiving than anyone else on the team”

You mean he caught more than receiving legends like Hester, Bennett and Knox ? Um, yeah … but those guys would be lucky to get a slot receiver position on most teams …. that’s not saying much ….

by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 2:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He rapes puppies ?

I did not know that. And they gave Mike Vick a hard time .. .Jeez. Don’t they bite ? I guess you put an elastic band around their snout or something ….

by Irish Bears Fan on Feb 11, 2010 2:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs