Could D.J. Moore be a Free Safety?
Before we get started, I think we should go out and get a free safety in free agency as much as the next guy, but while the Bears front office has definitely made a 180 this off season as far as the FA market goes, it remains to be seen if that was a philosophical change or a one shot deal. So while we wait with baited breath to see if we make a legitimate play for Atogwe I decided to take a quick look at the talent we have at the CB/S positions and see if we have anyone that might have the talent to be a FS. After taking a good long look at it and pushed to the brink of insanity after seeing that we had signed Bullocks to another contract I had a strange though, what about D.J. Moore? Follow me below the fold where we'll take a look at what Moore brings to the table, and why he might be just what the doctor ordered.
So let's start things off with what the difference is between the FS and the SS, because while they are similar positions and in some defensive sets almost exactly the same there are a few key differences that really explain why most of our current safeties aren't suited to the job.
1. The strong safety plays to the side with the TE
I know, I know. That seems completely obvious, but it actually means a lot more than you think. While a lot of TE have changed into more a receiver, they are still usually one of the bigger receivers for the other team and harder to bring down, so it makes sense to have a bigger guy covering the TE on those plays. Also, as the TE is also used as a blocker for the run the SS is usually the first DB to be called up in run support, making his larger size an asset in breaking that block to get to the runner.
2. The free safety rarely has a man coverage assignment.
There is a saying that goes that the Free Safety is the "deepest of the deep, and the widest of the wide", meaning he often gets the job of covering everything behind the linebackers, and inside the CB. This is a fairly large piece of real estate which means a lot of the FS play is all about reaction to what is going on, to the QB's eyes, and to the players movements and routes. It really is all about reaction as more often than not you're the last line of defense if the FS is being called on to make a play.
3. The free safety is sometimes referred to as the QB of the defense.
I know what you might be thinking, I thought that was the MLB who got the plays to the defense. That's not exactly what they are talking about, although the FS does relay play calls to the other DB in some situations. What they are trying to say is, in the way that the QB surveys the field and looks for opportunities, the free safety has the same kind of role where he is looking for what the QB might think is an opportunity and preparing to snatch that away at the last moment. For this reason you often see the FS being a ball-hawking type of player who comes up with INT/Deflection in clutch moments, this is also why quickness, fast reaction time, and all around good coverage abilities are of the utmost importance to the FS. If you're out of position to make the play, then it's very possible that you could be looking at a TD instead of an INT.
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Alright, with that small bit of information out of the way let's get back to the crazy wild-eyed statement at hand, which I'll repeat for the sake of those who thought they misread it the first time. I think D.J. Moore could be a great free safety. Now, before you instantly throw this away as nonsense, make remarks about his size, or his ability to hold up to the position just sit on your hands for a second and look at the positives he brings to the table first.
1. Moore was a very high quality CB at Vanderbilt.
Moore was originally pegged as a first round talent at corner back who was mostly hampered by his "poor" 40 time of 4.56 which slid him all the way to the 4th round where the Bears picked him up. Coming in at 5,9 192 in college, his small stature was seen as barely adequate for the CB position which also hurt his draft stock, but it never seemed to hinder him at Vandy. Moore was an All-SEC first teamer both his Sophmore and Junior years, as well as an All American in his junior and final year at Vanderbilt. Moore regularly shut down the opposing team's best receiver.
2. Moore is known for having great instincts when it comes to the ball.
Now when I say he has great instincts, what I'm really saying is he often seems to know the opponents routes better than they do. Some of that comes from his receiving playing time at receiver off and on throughout his carreer, but it's this kind of instinct that makes a decent FS good, and a good FS great. One of the biggest disadvantages a FS has is that the receiver knows where his cuts are, so having a mind capable of predicting those cuts goes a long way towards evening up the playing field.
3. Moore has very good closing speed, recovery speed, and all around drive.
One of the things you'll find watching Moore, or reading his scouting reports is that he's on you in a flash, closing that final distance extremely quickly. Another facet of the same skill is that on the rare instances where his aggressiveness lead to the wrong call he recovers from the mistake and makes the tackle with very little hesitation. In fact, his drive to bring down the ball carrier can be seen on more than a few plays when he was at Vanderbilt where a receiver on the other side of the field had the ball, and D.J. Moore comes across the field like a bat out of hell to track down the receiver. This kind of drive to end the play even when it's not "your man" is exactly what the FS position requires.
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Now, Moore definitely had some knocks coming out of Vanderbilt, but luckily most of them are less applicable to the FS position then they are the CB position.
1. Moore was at times dominated at the line of scrimmage/blocking receivers.
Rarely called on to enter press coverage, when he was there was a few instances where he got manhandled, and a few more where he was blocked out very badly by large receivers on running plays. For what it's worth, despite his small stature his upper body build is quite large so he never really had any problems making the tackle, and in fact seemed to relish the opportunity to hit receivers on the short and crossing routes. By taking Moore off the line, you'd be removing him from the press coverage(although I'm not sure we've actually used any in a few years).
2. Moore was at times fooled by double moves, and the occasional stutter.
While definitely not an every down type issue, it did happen a couple of times a year almost always due to his aggressive coverage style. It's really quite a toss up on how much an impact this would have at free safety, as he'd be watching the move from afar allowing him a lot more time to recover if fooled, but it could take a bit away from his play as he'd have to temper his aggressive streak a tad while sitting back in the zone.
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So what does everyone else think? In a worse case scenario where we don't pick up a new FS, could D.J. Moore be our guy?
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It could be a ....
…. good move . Look at Antrel Rolle , he came in as a corner a became one heck of a free safety . My only concern with him is size . He’s 5’9" 192 , kinda small and has a slight frame . His tackling could hinder him as well . But if we opt not to go after a free agent and look to promote from within DJ Moore could be a good canidate . Another could be Corey Graham . Better size , about the same speed wise , a better tackler and has started and shown good overall skills .
by MidWayMonster54 on Mar 11, 2010 7:17 PM CST reply actions
I'm a fan of Corey Graham as well...
But I don’t think that Tillman has that many years left with his laundry list of injuries, he’s very likely to be our next starting CB if he continues to improve.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 11, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
We really didn't get to see DJ last season?
I don’t really know what this kid can do at the pro level, didn’t get to see him last season. From what I have read about him after he came out of the draft, I thought we would have a good idea by now. If he is as good as they said out of college, then I sure hope to see him play a lot this coming season. I was bummed about the Bullocks one year contract, I hope he gets cut during pre-season. Waste of money and space imo.
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I'm with you on bullocks contract
terrible move.
It's not a terrible move, guys.
We have to have a veteran FS to be a insurance policy.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 11, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Except Daniel Manning looked better than Bullocks...
Which considering how DM looked in his last few stints at FS, that’s saying a whole hell of a lot about Bullocks.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 11, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know man...
Bullocks actually put in some pretty solid performances at the end of the season IIRC.
Surprised a lot of people. He’s not actually old and we got him cheap. I think this is a fine signing too.
Again, don’t make him the starter but I have no issue keeping him on the roster going into the off-season.
I think it's all the bad tape I've seen on him...
From his days with the Saints clouding my judgement.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 11, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely...
A lot of that going around. It was that one youtube video where he looked like a complete tool getting the ol’ shake and bake right of his shoes (and socks.) Was that against the Bears?
Anyway, funny how one play like that, captured on video and distributed over the internet can have such a long term impact on a guy’s value.
I've seen more than just that one.
I think his coverage skills are horrible. Experience at a position when you suck means you still suck. We haven’t even had a chance to see DJ, maybe he’s good…maybe he sucks. We know that Bullocks sucks, I don’t know..maybe he will show improvment with a pass rush? Guess the point being, I have seen Bullocks suck, I haven’t even had the chance to see DJ.
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by monsterman34 on Mar 12, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Bullocks was a starting FS
for the Saints for a few seasons and when they played us in the NFC Championship, experience is always valuable when you’re playing any position even if it’s a fill in role so don’t discredit that. DJ isn’t meant to play FS so wanting to give him a chance as a starter isn’t logical when we are in a must win season. I guarantee Bullocks is a more talented FS than Moore, which shouldn’t be rocket science to figure out anyway.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 12, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
And then if manning is
playing SS then you have to swap his position with someone else while he fills in at FS. It was a smart decision, it’s just bad to you guys because it’s Bullocks.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 12, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Would you even like to see DJ?
I just like to see someone play before I make a judgement about whether they can or not. I have seen Bullocks and came to a conclusion, thats all dude.
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by monsterman34 on Mar 12, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see DJ play corner.
If you want to see him play FS before you’re making judgment that is all good and fine but if you want to sit and watch him try and play when the wins are on the line, I’m not willing to do that. In our defense, or any for that matter, FS is way too damn important to keep flip-flopping the position like we’ve been doing the past year and with him we’d more than likely be doing the same thing. We need a veteran presence at FS and I’m not willing to lay a starting job on basically a rookie who has no background playing FS.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 12, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Once again...
It’s a straw man argument you keep making, since we are all in agreement that a veteran FS is the right call here. However, if we don’t get a vet FS I’m of the mind that Moore could be much better than anyone we would grab in the draft for the position.
Yes, the FS position is different than the CB position, but most of the differences are differences that favor Moore doing better at that position than he did at CB. People convert CB to FS all the time mainly because they are both DB and they have very similar skill sets, except we’re talking about a guy that was an All-American at CB and the only deficiency is his size which as long as he can make a tackle is almost completely irrelevant at FS.
I’d love to see Moore on the field somewhere, but it just seems like he could be a very good FS, and since he’s going to have to bulk up a little bit no matter what if he wants to play in the NFL it’s not going to hurt him either way.
Yes, DMS is real, but it’s mostly due to not allowing someone time to learn the position. Moore already knows how to be a CB, so it’s extremely doubtful that trying him at FS is going to obliterate the ability he has at CB.
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I was answering Monsterman34's question.
I’d like you to explain why you are of the mind in thinking that Moore could be better than anyone we grab in the draft at playing FS. If we grab a true FS then I don’t see how you could think that.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
I think he could be better than anyone we'd grab in the draft...
Because he’s a first round talent, and All-American DB, where as you’ll rarely find that level of talent, even in the third round. The closest you’ll usually find are conversion jobs from CB, which is exactly what Moore would be, except they are usually conversion jobs for a completely different reason, because they don’t have the fluidity/speed to keep up with NFL receivers on an every down basis.
That’s not Moore’s knock, it’s completely and totally his height which matters a lot more for CB than it does FS. So basically if he was able to understand the differences of the position, which is extremely likely since he not only played CB, he also played WR and Returner as well as playing for the Basketball team, then he could easily be like having a third high level corner on the field at all times, which at the FS position is a huge positive.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 12, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever you say.
I can’t say much more because I’ll just be going in circles. I really don’t think that if he was a true first round talent he would have dropped all the way to the 4th round just because of his height. If the Bears even decide to try to play him at FS in camp then that’s fine, see what he can do. Still, I wouldn’t trust him being a starter this season while being introduced to a new position and getting his first starts in the NFL.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 12, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
People
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by BearNecessities on Mar 15, 2010 5:32 AM CDT up reply actions
People's draft status skyrockets
because of a simple 40 yd dash time, is it really inconceivable to think that once MSM gets ahold of someone’s height, and the questions begin, that draft stock can plummet?
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by BearNecessities on Mar 15, 2010 5:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Only concern?
If he’s a sure tackler like the reports say, the only concern with Moore playing FS is his ability to defend the deep, high throws. Can he jump high enough to outweigh his size disadvantage?
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by propheteer on Mar 12, 2010 10:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, I'd say so...
All the scouting reports basically say the same thing, that he plays tall unlike some tall players that play small, and he was measured at right around a 39.5/40in vertical jump. He just gets rightfully questioned because at the CB position you’re job is almost always about jumping up, defending the pass, staying on your man, in a one on one position all things that his lack of size impacts much more frequently at CB than it would at FS.
I actually am of the mind that he could be a pretty good CB as well, but that height factor would always keep him from being elite, where as if you eliminate height as a factor somewhat he could very well be an elite FS.
Cart before the horse, but as someone else he’s the same height as Bob Sanders.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 12, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
You drive a hard bargain
I remember he does have an excellent vertical; combine that with his upper body strength/ball skills and we may have a decent option at FS.
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Well you make a compelling arguement........
Since JA and company are in a “win now” mode,I don’t see this happening anytime soon…..
Does it really count as DMS...
If he has never seen the field?
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Yes,
DMS has to start somewhere and always is explained in a positive light in the beginning. While it is not unheard of for a CB to move to the Safety position throughout the course of a career, and can even prolong a career. I just don’t see someone of DJ Moore’s stature delivering the type of hits that I want to see out of a Bears FS.
I did really enjoy
your write up though, another in a long line of good posts. I just hate the thought of the Bears putting a band-aid in the FS position again. Before DJ Moore plays there, I would rather see Daniel Manning get it long enough to actually learn it.
I don't have a huge issue with Daniel Manning...
Except for the fact that he’s lost the position twice due to really bad play. I’d love for him to recover and be the guy we need, but if he looks like he did the last two times he’s going to be an all-time nickel for the rest of his years, not that it is that bad a thing.
Thanks for the kind words. :D
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 11, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
I just don’t see someone of DJ Moore’s stature delivering the type of hits that I want to see out of a Bears FS.
Unfortunately the players of the kind of SS stature that we tend to put in there don’t deliver the kind of pass coverage ballhawking ability that I want to see out of , well, any decent FS.
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Point well taken,
It would be real nice to see a real FS on this team. I’m not down on Moore, he is obviously a gifted athlete. I think I’ve just gotten myself caught up on wanting O.J. Atogwe in there. Moving Moore to FS to be back-up for Atogwe while he learns the position is definitely something I could get behind.
i must be a noob
but what in the world does DMS stand for?
by Bear Lovin 21 on Mar 11, 2010 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
Daniel Manning Syndrome
The cause of which is directly attributed to being moved from position to position while never being given enough time to learn any one of them. Symptoms include, but are not limited to; Missing coverage assignments, playing out of position, a general feeling of being lost on the field. Outcomes can be getting the bust tag or potentially career ending in extreme cases.
by Fridge72 on Mar 11, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Danieal.
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by Ashley Czuba on Mar 15, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
That's my fear
Where ever he ends up, keep the kid there!
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 12, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
I think it was a reply to Sklz..
DMS doesn’t quite fit because he has never seen the field. I agree
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by monsterman34 on Mar 11, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
What is the point in doing all of this
“mold someone who has never played the position” crap all over again? Especially someone who is at such a physical disadvantage in relation to the rest of the league. Why do we have to go year after year trying to make someone play a position that they have never played before? I’d rather have Josh Bullocks as our starter than give Moore a chance, there’s too much riding on this season to hand it off to anyone who’s not experienced. FS was quite possibly the most important position to address this off-season and now that we have Peppers people are throwing out ridiculous ideas. Peppers is great but we can’t just assume he’s going to make the whole defense better and skimp on such an important position. We need experience.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 11, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
I agree...
As I have been saying, it would be crazy to go into this off-season with any one of the DBs on our current roster penciled in as the starting FS: we MUST make a move.
But, that said, I really have no issue in giving DJ a shot at playing FS in the off season. From what I can see, he is a Woodney Turrene development step away from landing back on the street.
So, let’s see if he can translate some of his skills into another position because I don’t beleive he has a shot in hell at being a starting CB in this league.
You'll notice...
I prefaced the post by saying we should go get someone in FA, but even if we get the guy I hope we get(Atogwe)he’s still going to be around 29 at the start of the season, not to mention we mostly agree that we don’t have a single FS on the roster at the moment, so it’d be nice to have someone backing him up in the case of injury.
Also, when you talk about him being at a physical disadvantage to the rest of the league you’d be correct, however that was the prime reason for my post. He’s almost assuredly too short to be an every down CB, but that height disadvantage would be much less exploitable at FS.
At any rate, Kaiser summed up my thoughts fairly well while I was typing this.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 11, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
His physical disadvantage to me
doesn’t necessarily rely solely on his height but his build and whether he can make a tackle on someone who weighs a hundred more pounds than him. It’s going to take a miracle to land Atogwe, especially with the Cowboys interested since they haven’t done anything in FA like we have. I’m really hoping but if not we’ll probably pick up another vet and draft someone too.
Maybe he can play FS and bulk up a bit, who knows, but if we are willing to take a gamble then he’s a FS from the decision point and that’s final. Work him with the 2nd team and train him to be that guy, maybe he can play somewhere down the road but I’m really sick of the flip-flopping of players. Our secondary is seriously getting to the point of a tragic-comedy.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 12, 2010 12:47 AM CST up reply actions
I honestly respect your opinion Polish,
but he is horrible in coverage. Experience doesn’t have anything to do with sucking and I don’t even care for him as a backup. A great pass rush will help out all of our db’s, I sure hope it helps him out.
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by monsterman34 on Mar 12, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
It's fine if he's in a back-up role.
I’ve seen all the clips that you have seen and especially the “Worst FS ever” clip but if he’s playing a reserve role and hopefully trying to better his game then it’ll be good to have him if we happen to get so unfortunate to need our back up to play(knock on wood.) Injuries happen freakishly as ’09 sure showed us so it helps to have someone to fill in.
It’s not like I’m advocating a starting job for the guy.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 12, 2010 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
right on dude
they obviously see something in him to keep him. I hope we get Atogwe just like you and the vast majority on here. Sure the hell hope he doesn’t go to the Cowgirls. Thanks for the very informative post about the poison pill, got my learn on…very nice article.
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by monsterman34 on Mar 12, 2010 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
No problem.
Honestly, I had no idea what poison pill was and I figured a lot of you guys didn’t either so after I learned about it I shared it with everybody.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 12, 2010 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
By the way.
I do kind of cringe when I see Bullocks hit the field so I understand where everyone is coming from. Just can see value in depth at a position where we have no “true” free safeties and he is one.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 12, 2010 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
Don't forget
that his bad play was in an entirely different scheme. It remains to be seen how he plays in the cover-2. Not a bad option to pick up considering he is athletic, fast, and has some experience.
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I really hope DJ turns out to be a solid DB..
where…my guess is as good as yours. That is the thing with Lovie, I question his ability to judge talent. He had plenty of opportunities to play him last season to at least see what the kid has…and he didn’t.
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Nice posting
At first glance I thought it was a dumb idea but your points are valid. That being said I haven’t watched much of DJ Moore in college (no Bears footage worth watching) bud did know that he was slated as a potential 1st rounder, no later than mid 2nd round and was screaming for the Bears to draft him. Would be nice to see him enter the fold and see what happens. Cover 2 may not benefit his style at corner seeing as how it’s not typically an agressive style for a corner but look at Mike Brown. Similar in stature (not saying brains) so it’s doable. God Bless Mike Brown
Nice call on the Mike Brown shout out...
Completely randomly, but like Mike Brown, Moore is also a two-sport player having played for the Vandy Basketball Team as well.(MB played baseball)
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 11, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent Post
Rec’d.
I like the way you laid out the roles of the safeties and then used that as a basis for your justifying your argument on DJ Moore.
I would not be opposed at all to giving him a shot at FS. On one hand, there is no denying his production in college on the other, with his size (they say 5’9" is actually a reach and that he’s closer to 5’8") I don’t see how he could possibly play corner in the NFL.
At 5’8" and 192 (probably more like 185), that boy is all muscle. That’s a damn heavy weight (if it’s true) for such a shorty which means he’s compact, strong and capable of delivering enough to make a tackle. So, no issue there for me.
I think we have nothing to lose by giving him a shot. And for all those doubters out there, I have two words for you:
Word 1: Rhymes with Nefarious
Word 2: Rhymes with Turd
Hint: think short, slowish, rookie, corner-back converted from ball hawking CB to ball hawing FS in a Tampa-2 defense? Think 2009 league leader in ints.
Here’s another clue: Video
Thanks!
I also completely agree, I think even with his almost 40in vertical jump(which is huge considering he’s only around 68-69 inches tall) he’d find it tough to handle some of the the tallest receivers 1v1, specially going up top in the end zone. However, as a FS that short fall(pun intended) would be somewhat negated by a greater focus on jumping the routes and less responsibility when it comes to that 1v1 straight in the air match up.
I also agree, if he really is coming in around 185-190 while standing around 68inches tall he’d be built like an even more muscled version of this which is crazy ridiculous considering Sexyama still has two full inches on him most likely.

Hoss would be an understatement.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 11, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Oh man
I wanted the Bears to draft him so badly last year.
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On Another Note...
Looks like Lilja may have been cut for failing his physical due to back problems. Link
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Bullocks resigning
significantly reduces the chances of us looking to St. Louis for Atogwe…or any player outside the draft for a Safety…sigh
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by BearNecessities on Mar 12, 2010 5:48 AM CST reply actions
security
Manning may sign with another team. A real possibilty. Allow this off season to completly play out. So far, so good. Let these talented athletes compete, they will determine who will start, and who will sit, and who goes to work at Wal Mart.
by Bob Manganiello on Mar 12, 2010 6:37 AM CST reply actions
I can't say much about DJ...
at FS or CB because he never saw the field. IMO, he’s another bad fit on the Bears. The FO/coaches has a penchant for undersized speed guys, but the Bears do not play on a speed surface. It’s another one of those square peg-round hole problems. I would say if the rest of the defense were solid, having Moore try out the FS role is possible, but this position is far too important to leave it to on the job training. He’s another Hester/Manning type who really just a punt returner. From what little I saw, he might be better suited to CB in a Cover-2 because he can use his speed to close in blown coverage and/or in run support, but isn’t a great pure cover guy. My concern about Moore is how good a tackler he is. That, might preclude him from being a good CB/FS as much as anything else. Graham, IMO, is a better FS project, but Lovie already screwed that up.
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Bob Sanders, he’s only 5’ 8" and I’d say he’s a solid safety, so size doesn’t matter all that much, granted he does get injured but I’d say thats due to his physical style rather than being short
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Peanut
I still think our best FS on the roster is Tillman. He has the perfect size, and while he’s slippin just a bit (speed, man on man coverage), he’s still good enough to playCB, just not at an elite level, or close to elite as a younger Peanut used to play, reflex and speed wise. Lovie shouldn’t be opposed or shy about doing this, as many GREAT players(Ronnie Lott, Aneas Williams come to mind) have made this transition as they have gotten older. He is a veteran which would also allow the transition to be a little easier. If we made this move, we could allow our younger CB’s to play well at there natural positions, and it would have a guy behind them who have seen most offensive sets, and have the defensive experience and knowledge to make up for the mistakes they would make. This would allow Payne to help with run support aka fully commiting to his duties of a SS, which is minimal coverage help with strong run support. Just my take…
I actually agree with this a bit...
The problem is we just don’t have another guy ready to take over for Peanut just yet, also there is the question of how he’d hold up at FS since he has serious injury history at the less physical CB position.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 12, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
I am not completely against it if we get sheppard or another corner who would begin to match his skills at corner… if not then it’s not worth it cause that’d leave our corners lost except for maybe bowman and manning if they decide to play him at cb instead of ss (which I think is ridiculous!) We need to get atogwe and draft larry asante out of nebraska NOW!
Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!
Excellent write up
The only thing I see missed is his ability to defend the deep ball against big tall WRs. He’s known to be a good tackler so I don’t see his size being an issue in that regard. He has good ball skills, but I would question his ability to “go up and get” those jump balls deep in his zone.
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by propheteer on Mar 12, 2010 10:10 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I agree completely...
That’d be the exact thing that would have to be answered, and while he’ll probably always have to fight for it that specific aspect of his game would likely be tested less at FS than it would at CB.
For instance, if he’s able to do it say 75% of the time, where a taller guy might be around 85% of the time, Working under that kind of assumption FS makes the perfect fit for the guy, because while that 10% difference would be huge at CB where he’d constantly be tested, it’d be made up for a lot more at FS due to his ability to put himself in better positions to make the play, as well as the other advantages he has as a player over most safeties(ball skills/quickness/speed/intelligence/route knowledge), and just generally having that aspect of his game tested less often.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 12, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
give the guy a chance
I was really excited when we drafted DJ – he seems like more of a ballhawk than any of the other DBs on our team. One way on another, we need to see what the kid can do (otherwise why use a draft pick on the guy?).
Bowman and Tillman seem pretty entrenched as the starting CBs. Manning should be our nickleback, but it sounds like Lovie refuses to accept that Manning sucks at Safety and will pencil him in as our SS. If thats the case, then lets try DJ at nickleback. I’d be open to giving DJ a look at FS, but I don’t see him getting that chance.
by MakeHalasProud on Mar 12, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions
You've got to be excited...
Any time your team pulls a first round talent in the fourth round, it’s just a matter of seeing him developed into a player that can produce on the field instead of just unused promise, no matter what position that is in.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 12, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Good write-up
Makes an interesting question.
I would ask why the team has not thought of this but their evaluation and placement of talent has me baffled so I will defer.
I am sick
of the Bears practice of drafting personnel & then “red-shirting” them, so the fans really have no idea of what kind of talent they possess. Why draft a player, keep him on the roster and then never, or almost never, use him? They did this with Bennett year before last, and last year they did it with Moore, Gilbert, Iglesias and Melton. If they’re good, they should be developed and play; if they’re bad, they should be cut and the roster spot given to someone who can make a contribution. It all comes back to Lovie & JA being atrocious managers of player personnel.

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