Bears Draft Weekend Possibilities: Offensive Line
This is part two in my series looking at potential draft choices on a round by round basis. Last time it was wide out possibilities, this time the trenches will get my attention.
The O-Line is a definite need area for the Bears. Even if the current group can continue to gel and build off the last quarter of the 2009 season, the line still needs an infusion of youth. I think we all can agree that at some point they will draft an offensive lineman. But will it be a tackle or an interior player?
And remember, this is not my mock draft, I'm not predicting the Bears will go O-Line with every pick. This is just to look at a lineman or two that may be available in each round the Bears pick.
After chicagobears.com came out with this little nugget, Bears intend to lock Omiyale in at one position on line, it opened up some options for them.
The Bears aren't sure at this point exactly where Frank Omiyale will play this season. But the plan is to keep the 6-4, 315-pounder at one spot on the offensive line.
"We're going to lock Frank in at one position, whatever position that ends up being," said coach Lovie Smith.
"He can play the left guard position. He can play the right tackle position. I think it's safe to say that Frank will be at one of those positions for us and play well. We're looking at all that right now."
Where Omiyale plays has even been a question posed to Larry Mayer on a couple occasions, here and here.
I think they realize Omiyale is better than both Josh Beekman at LG and Kevin Shaffer at RT, and depending on what position they can upgrade either via the Draft or with another free agent signing, the plan is to keep him waiting. As long as a plan is in place before May 21st at the very latest, which is the tentative start date for the Bears Mini-Camp. But even better, make a decision before March 29th which the Bears voluntary off-season workout program kicks off. Get him locked into one position and let him get comfortable there. Even though he went through all of last year at guard, his prior experience is at tackle.
This looks to be another fine O-Line draft class and hopefully the Bears are in position to take the highest player on their draft board. I already spotlighted a few offensive lineman on previous posts so I'll give a different take on the guys I look at here. I looked at Sam Young, Jared Veldheer, and Jeff Byers HERE, and Mike Johnson and Mitch Petrus HERE, so now it's on to some fresh prospects.
Third Round - Ciron Black, LSU OT/OG, 6'4" 327 - I think the only way Black falls to the 3rd round is if a number of left tackle prospects shoot up teams draft boards, as LT is the safer pick for teams, because if a guy can't cut it on the left side the fall back option is shifting him to the right or even to guard. Black projects to a right tackle in the NFL (due to foot speed concerns)after playing on the left side at LSU, but some scouts like him at guard. Either way he'd fill a need for the Bears. I've seen him rated anywhere from the 2nd round to 6th round, but I think his experience and durability will see him go in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Fourth Round - Selvish Capers, West Virginia OT, 6'4" 308 - Capers looked athletic at the combine, which was expected for the converted tight end. He started his last 3 seasons at RT, but was responsible for lefty QB Pat White's blindside when he was under center there. Due to their spread offense he rarely was in a 3 point stance, but his athleticism has him higher on some teams draft boards. He'll need to add some strength and size for the NFL. A right tackle that thrives in pass protection is exactly what the Bears are looking for with the change in offense under Mike Martz.
Fifth Round - Eric Olsen, Notre Dame C/OG, 6'4" 306 - I always love when scouts drop the "plays with a nasty streak" line about a prospect. He played all three interior positions on the line for Notre Dame and would be good competition for Beekman. He may need to add some bulk, but he has the intelligence and the leadership qualities the Bears like in their lineman.
Fifth Round - Brandon Carter, Texas Tech OG, 6'6" 329 - While not as big as the 6'7" 344 he was listed at in college, he still casts an imposing figure. Especially when considering the tattoos and Mohawk, and lets not forget the mascara he dons on game day, Walter Football says, "he's the crazy guy with paint all over his face who looks like he just escaped from the mental hospital." He has a minor character concern with a 1 game suspension for tearing into his teammates and coaches, and he has been known to get a little rowdy on game-day, but the "fire and passion" is what most Bears fans are always looking for in their players, right? I've seen him rated as high as a 2nd rounder and as low as a 6th, if he's there in round 5 I think he'd be a nice pick up.
Sixth Round - John Estes, Hawaii C, 6'2" 295 - A bit on the small side, but he's technically sound and experienced. He holds the NCAA record with 54 starts. He's a good pass blocker, but can get beat by the bull rush, and in run blocking he shows the ability to seal bigger defenders, but he'll still need to add some strength at the next level. He's known for his work ethic and some scouts think if a team takes a chance on him, he'll work his way into being a solid pro.
Sixth Round - Tony Washington, Abilene Christian OT, 6'6" 311 - I've seen scouts call this offensive tackle a first roundtalent, while others think he'll be lucky to be drafted. Saying there is a red flag on him is an understatement. As a 16 year old kid he had consensual sex with his 15 year old biological sister. It's a touchy subject to say the least, and some scouting reports don't even bother mentioning it. He had a real good NFL Combine so the chances of his getting drafted are on the rise. With the familiarity the Bears have with the Abeline Christian coaching staff I'm sure they'll explore all possibilities in drafting him.
Seventh Round - Thomas Welch, Vanderbilt OT, 6'6" 307 - This will satisfy the Vanderbilt aspect of this post. He has expressed an interest in joining Chicago, but if drafted he would need some time to develop.
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Dude!???
I’ll pass on this reason alone:
As a 16 year old kid he had consensual sex with his 15 year old biological sister.
by Mike Mueller on Mar 16, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
uh, gross? yes.
that is ..wow. red flag is indeed an understatement.
by reefermadness3 on Mar 16, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Is that really on par or worse than some of the other guys that come out though?
Is it worse than Brandon Marshall’s woman-beating or Gilbert Arenas taking a gun into the locker room? I’m not saying this guy is good or that his decision was good I just kind of think one weird thing like this isn’t as bad as being in trouble with the law, etc.
by GallopingGhost on Mar 16, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
They were both kids
it was consunsual…
The thing the scouts don’t like is he has no remorse about it. What I’m reading is he claims it’s no big deal. The NFL people would like him to express that it was wrong.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 16, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh OK
Now that I can see as a little problematic. But still could be a lot worse.
by GallopingGhost on Mar 16, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I concur on that
That’s more than a little problematic; makes him seem like a sub-human, devoid of remorse, common decency, etc.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
I have son and a daughter
so i don’t really see, short of rape, how it could be much worse. There are some serious psychological problems with that guy. Do you have a sister?
I don't have a sister or kids of my own
But at age 16 in a “broken” home, strange things happen. He made a mistake, he’s paid a debt to society and he is upfront with it. I just think writing him off as undraftable for one incident seven years ago is a bit much.
by GallopingGhost on Mar 16, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
do you have kids???????
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It is problematic that he isn't remorseful,
but I do see what you mean. They were kids and it was consensual. Did they even know what they were doing at the time was so wrong? And he should feel remorse, but is it because she was against it? No. It was because people tell him he should. I haven’t heard about her coming out and saying she is remorseful or regret it either.
I am in no way saying that this is not a big deal, but I agree that there are worse things people do then make bad decisions with someone else when they don’t necessarily know better.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
In almost every culture, no matter how primitive
incest is seen as “wrong”. Almost every religion sees it as “sinful”. At the least he had VERY BAD PARENTS! At the outside, this points at him having “issues” as an adult. At the least this points out a young man in disparate need of counseling and a young man with an issue teams need to address before they draft him.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
He is sorry for what happened
HERE is the story, for those who care to make informed decisions
"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."
by BearNecessities on Mar 16, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you prefer he organized dog fighting rings, killed a man while driving drunk, beat his wife, or brought loaded weapons with him in public?
It’s a bizarre story, and certainly something that we can all agree is morally wrong. But ostracizing him as if he would be the worst thing the NFL has ever seen is fairly ludicrous.
How do all of those other
Things that you bring up some how make having sex with your sister ok?
Here is one scouts take on it
I pulle dthe quote from Sporting News
SportsFanLive.com includes comments from a scout, who says:
“What disturbs me is that I don’t know if he sees anything wrong with it. He said where he comes from, this kind of thing happens all the time. I don’t think he’s at all ready for the rejection he’s about to face once people find out.”
For what ever reason his apology didn’t resonate with this particular scout. However I couldn’t find any other scout that had a negative thing to say in regards to him.
He and his sister made a terrible mistake when he was 16 years old (7 years ago). An age where the teenage mind can’t understand many things in life. He’s older and he’s expressed his remorse. He will get drafted at some point.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 16, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Living in Chicago for so long,
sometimes I just like to pretend that the deep south doesn’t really exist.
by Fridge72 on Mar 16, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol so true!!
i for one am fine with this guy if he has good value with the pick and he tries hard and doesn’t suck at football. but come on there are about 40000 jokes that will be cracked on this guy. i mean we are talking about possible two-headed babies here.
by reefermadness3 on Mar 16, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the link
I’m still confused though, maybe in part because my mind will flat out not wrap itself around this topic.
But, if it was consensual, how did anybody find out about it in the first place?
Why is just Tony charged with a crime? 15 and 16 is more than old enough for both of them to have known better. Makes me think is was a little less than consensual?
Now in a perfect world, when an abomination of this sort takes place, consensual incest, both parties would just disintegrate and the world would move on. Unfortunately this doesn’t happen and somehow on a sports blog we end up discussing incest though I shudder at the thought.
We all agree it was wrong but
You hafta look at where he’s from and the fact that he says it happens all the time where’s he from…There’s alot to be said about growing up in a place where things of that nature are condoned….We all see it as sick because we were taught that it was sick and wrong, He wasn’t taught it was wrong, he did it and he paid the price..It was 7 years ago and he hasnt had an incident of any other type since then so it should be water under the bridge…Honestly how many of us have remorse over anything we;ve done a week ago much less 7 years? He’s gotten over it, moved on and has bettered his life…I give him credit for that
Kobe isnt good....He's just better than your favorite player
Certainly I didn't sign on to WCG
to contemplate this issue. It disturbed me that, despite my normal slightly liberal leaning tendencies, my first reaction after reading the article was: It doesn’t matter, but it involved cleansing with fire. I’m over that now and all for the man moving on with his life. In fact, I’m willing to never discuss it again after this.
To say:
You hafta look at where he’s from and the fact that he says it happens all the time where’s he from
No, the man is from New Orleans, I’m from Slidell La originally, I feel pretty comfortable saying that despite all the backwoods bayou conditions that are rampant in certain parts of Louisiana. This is not something that is condoned there or that happens all the time. There are other people from Louisiana on this site, I don’t think that any of them would be able to tell you that they came from or aware of a part of Louisiana where this happens all the time.
Sorry if that comes off as bitchy, I just want to talk about football again.
by Fridge72 on Mar 16, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good questions
If it was consensual between them how does he get in trouble and not her too? Doesn’t seem like the type of thing that they would run around bragging about in public. If neither one really new better why was just he arrested? Doesn’t add up.
or I don't know...what was his darn name
had a dog fighting ring for a while… oh yeah Vick.
some of these atheletes are depraved human beings, this was just a young kid who made a sick mistake.
I bet he has no remorse with it, because he’s accepted it and moved on. it’s new to us, so it’s a huge deal, but it water under the bridge to him, his coaching staff and everyone around him.
"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."
by BearNecessities on Mar 16, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I happened 7 years ago
I would not be surprised if he did slip in the draft, that the Bears would pick him up.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 16, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I would hope so
i read up on this, seems like he turned himself around, went to a christian school, coaches really went to bat for the kid, and he pulled out okay. hell, OJ got another chance…why can’t this guy
"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."
by BearNecessities on Mar 16, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
That put it into much better words than I could think of.
Disgusting, yes. Sickening, yes. But it IS in the past and it isn’t like it was a violent crime or anything like that.
As long as he doesn't do it again
and can block…I’m all for him
"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."
by BearNecessities on Mar 16, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
BearNecessities
I’ve read all the comments so far, pro and con. I agree with you re Washington.
A mistake, and when taken in context with what others have done in the NFL and in other areas of society, it is less severe.
"Do or do not... there is no try." - Yoda
I agree with him too.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
thanks
"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."
by BearNecessities on Mar 16, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I question
his ability to pick things up mentally. I’m sure teams will put him through the ringer mentally.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
he BANGED HIS SISTER
and it wasnt like it was his step sister or an adopted sister
it was his biological sister
same mom
same dad
and they got er done
ewwwwww
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on Mar 16, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
If he can play
I’d still draft him.
it’s simply an ethical debate… you and everyone else can keep italicizing and bolding the fact that he slept(had sex) with his sister(see, i get what happened)
but i disagree that it is far beyond the level of depravity with which some of these atheletes behave who went in the 1st round(or whenevr)… hell, Ray Lewis could quite probably be responsible for Murder…but he’s a great player, future hall of famer, all praise Ray.
"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."
by BearNecessities on Mar 16, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It's absolutely disgusting
and should be close, if not on par with those other despicable acts. Seriously, they knew what they were doing and have zero remorse. Remorse is one of the most important things that makes our species separate from the animals.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
by propheteer on Mar 16, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, let me preface this with....
I think incest is disgusting, wrong….and did I mention disgusting?
But, I’m with BearNecessities on this one. I’ve always had an issue with guys like Ray Lewis, who’s a hero but might also be a murderer. Yet this dude bangs his sister (with her approval) and he shouldn’t play in the league? So murder is OK, as long as you don’t poke you sis in the process?
I think the guy is gross, and maybe a bit soft in the head if he doesn’t get that he should be trying to play in a deeper end of the gene pool. But if it’s ok to let Dante Stallworth back in the league after killing a man because calling a cab was to difficult after a few drinks, then how does this guy get held out?
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
Do you have a sister?
Or a son and a daughter?
I don’t understand how this can be no big deal to you.
I have two
It makes me physically ill just thinking about him and his sister. The term “Backwoods” really does mean something after all.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
wooo you sure got a purty mouf!
then someone will cue banjo and GROSS#@
it’s not the level of killing someone or other very anti-social behavior but the joke mine for this guy is pure 100 percent golden.
by reefermadness3 on Mar 16, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a daughter
under two years old. I never said it wasn’t a big deal.
I’m saying it’s not any larger a deal than say, a double homicide where OJ simpson was let back into society, Ray Lewis was acquitted, Michael Vick is once again a millionaire football quarterback. if these people are allowed to continue (minus OJ, but he had another chance) than why can’t this kid get another chance.
he’s already labeled the rest of his life.
Do you not love your family? yet i dont see you up in arms about the conviluted murder trial of Ray Lewis, or pets? but where’s the Vick picket?
"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."
by BearNecessities on Mar 16, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
^^^
Completely with you guy.
You're being very Un-Dude right now.
by IslandBoodler87 on Mar 16, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
first of all
Oj- The glove didn’t fit
Ray- was aquitted, no one knows for sure if he did indeed commit murder
Vick- i was against him comming back, but he did go to jail and served his time and took his punishment
This guy….banged his sister, it’s a proven fact, knew exactly what he was doing, and acts like it’s no big deal.
My coaches in football always said “the team is your family”
So if the football team is supposed to be like an extended family
well you all know where i’m going with this one
Point n case. This guy is disgusting and i will NEVER be a fan of his. Period.
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
You're saying banging your sister
Will lead to him banging his teammates? I don’t see how you got there…
by GallopingGhost on Mar 16, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
that was just kind of a joke...
but mymain point was with the 3 guys.
the first two were never 100% proven guilty.
and Vick. He at least is trying to clear his name by participating in PETA and stuff…this guy…he’s like “yeah i screwed my mother and father’s daughter, so what”
it’s wierd. and like i said down lower. I will not be a fan of his.
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on Mar 16, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fine
I just wanted to make sure you didn’t ACTUALLY think he was going to try to mount his teammates, lol.
by GallopingGhost on Mar 17, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
"One weird thing"
Really? I think having intercourse with your sister goes beyond “one weird thing”
Agreed that this
Is not any larger of a deal than the other things that you are talking about. Let’s get rid of Ray Lewis and the other criminals too
This was supposed to be
A reply to BearNecessities
All good
But i probably agree with Fridge72 at this point, back to football.
some of us think it’s atrocious, some don’t. I kept trying to get onto the football aspect of it.
my point was, and still is, if he is stable now, and can block, better than our guys, sign me up
"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."
by BearNecessities on Mar 17, 2010 3:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit…
by ClawsClawsClaws on Mar 16, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions
Great Post Lester
Indeed our greatest needs are OL and FS. Thanks for taking the time to evaluate who’s gonna be in the draft.
I kinda like the sound of the maniac Carter, add some much needed intensity to the O-line. Our line seemed to lack the killer instincts required to execute. I think our core of guys are pretty good, but aged (excepting Williams).
Finding an impact player in the later rounds may prove difficult, but as has been pointed out here numerous times, this draft is deep with talented lineman. Fingers crossed.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Mar 16, 2010 11:13 AM CDT reply actions
I say we draft ....
…… both Eric Olsen and Brandon Carter . Both fill voids for us and Olsen would be the perfect replacment for an aging Olin .
by MidWayMonster54 on Mar 16, 2010 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
I think this may be the draft to get 2 guys
Hopefully FS can be addressed with a FA, then draft a couple bigguns
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 16, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I concur , this is a ....
…. deep draft for O-linemen and if we can get 2 good fits we may be able to solidify or offensive line for years to come . Olin is in the final year of his deal and may not be with us after this year so Olsen is almost a must . Then any right tackle with a nasty streak will do , but Carter at guard or Black at tackle will vastly improve our overall O-line play .
by MidWayMonster54 on Mar 16, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I would love to see the Bears draft Eric Olsen and Brandon Carter
Bears need to change their draft strategy when drafting interior lineman. They always seem to wait until the 6th and 7th rounds to draft interior lineman, and those guys struggle to make the team. I feel this is the year to draft interior lineman early because most likely all the good ones will be gone by the 5th round.
And considering we've ....
…. taken care of almost every other issue via free agency the O-line needs retooling , to be PC about the matter . Draft Olsen in the 4th and Carter in the 5th period . As for our third round pick , lets stop picking need and just take the best player available . It may fill a need or it may not but at least it’ll be a talented player that will make the team and contribute .
by MidWayMonster54 on Mar 16, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
My picks
I’d go with Jared Valdheer, Ciron Black or Mike Johnson.
Of course this all depends on what is done with Omiyale. Personally, I thought he did a good job playing next to WIlliams and wouldn’t mind him staying at LG. But if he’s better suited to play RT in Martz’s scheme, then move him to the right side. If he stays at LG, go with Veldheer or Black in the 3rd. If he moves to RT, go with Mike Johnson in the 4th.
by boondock_saint812 on Mar 16, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions
I've seen him rated as low as the 5 and as high as the 3rd round
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 16, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets all hope ....
….. he falls to us in the 4th or even better the 5th round . Either round hes a steal for us .
by MidWayMonster54 on Mar 16, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I question his mental makeup
At 16, it’s plain as day that sleeping with your sister is beyond morally wrong. Can he pickup Martz’s complex offense if he can’t handle distinguising between obvious rights vs wrongs? Are him and his sister just sex addicts or mentally disabled? I wouldn’t touch him with a ten-foot pole (please, no puns intended!).
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Since when
did you have to be intelligent to play football?
You're being very Un-Dude right now.
by IslandBoodler87 on Mar 16, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Go talk to some of the guys who have been in Martz's system
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Reports say that there was some severe abuse in that household
Yes what they did flabbergasts most of us on this site. I know when i was 16 I made some monstrous mistakes (nothing with family members or animals). But to question whether or not he is smart enough to play is patently ridiculous.
That is a very similar argument to those who said Michael Oher wouldn’t succeed in the NFL. Did you watch the Bears-Ravens game? I’d sure like him to protect St. Jay.
by wennington4 on Mar 16, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you mistake intelligence for......
morality. Funny how people do that. In an abusive situation, this kind of thing happens more than people realize. Doesn’t make it right, but the participants usually go on to have a fairly normal life, provided that the incident comes to light.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
I'm all for Brandon Carter
absolutely love the Mortimer look and the temper. Plus the kid has great size and will look ferociously great in a Bears Jersey. I don’t really worry about him possibly sounding-off on his coaches as he was not the only one to do so.
Senior linebacker Marlon Williams was especially vociferous about Texas Tech coach Mike Leach’s leadership on his Twitter account.
“Wondering why I’m still in this meeting room when the head coach can’t even be on time to his on [sic] meeting,” Williams wrote on his “Kos 39” Twitter account.
article pops
When multiple team captians are calling out the coach, and the coach is Mike Leach, I’m just saying: I’m willing to overlook that.
I would like the Bears to avoid Tony Washington like he has the plague; something that I wish people whom commit consensual incest would get.
I like those crazy offensive lineman
Carter would be a good pick up
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 16, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Curious why you say that?
He’s got real good size and was named team captain before it was taken away for supposedly calling out his coaches. I don’t know that much else about him.
I was referring to his appearance.
It’s a gimmick. He’ll be in the WWE in a couple of years.
Also, one of his tats is the anarchy symbol. If he is a anarchist, then the Bears don’t want to mess with that.
by boondock_saint812 on Mar 16, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You could
definitely be on to something concerning the WWE as he certainly looks the part. Doubt the face paint transitions into the NFL, would be funny though.
As far as anarchist tattoos go, mistake, and I suspect that there are far more of the tattoos than there are actual anarchists.
John Randle was know for some face paint
but he was a Viking…
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 16, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Carter has said during interviews at the Combine that he’s not going to paint his face in the NFL.
by boondock_saint812 on Mar 16, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
True anarchists died out with the Spanish Civil War
…anybody can get a tat.
"Do or do not... there is no try." - Yoda
I have an anarchist tat
on my side.
It’s a symbol.
Mainly people who participate in Punk Rock activities have them.
It’s w.e
Dude is a beast
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
SB Nation's own...
‘Mocking the Draft’ mock draft
I’m not sure who or how they compiled it ,but they have a lot of time on their hands.
by boondock_saint812 on Mar 16, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
those aren't bad picks for Chicago
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 16, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the Newhouse pick, but not sure about the 4th rounder. I don’t think we’re exactly line at DE. Plus we have bigger needs to fill.
by boondock_saint812 on Mar 16, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That DE is shooting up draft boards
I still think the Bears may let Mark Anderson walk if another team makes them an offer
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 16, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's another mock
This is the only other site I’ve seen that goes up to 4 rounds.
by boondock_saint812 on Mar 16, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
No Dan LeFevour in the first 4 rounds
In either of these mock drafts. That doesn’t seem likely to me, I think he could get taken before that kid out of Fordham.
by GallopingGhost on Mar 16, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
with...
peppers,brown,melton,gilbert,idonije, and anderson
tell me again
how are we thin at Dline?
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Tony Washington.
For everyone throwing out the hyperbole on this guy, you need to grow up. Seriously. Is it an absolutely heinous thing that happened? Sure, it is. However, everyone talking about their sister, and their son and daughter are absolutely full of it, and completely devoid of empathy. The fact that this is such a heinous act to you means you were actually raised by someone interested in being a parent to you, or you in being a parent to your children. This guy was sadly not blessed with the same.
Human nature is mate as much as possible, and with whoever you can. If you completely remove parental involvement and allow two 15-16yro with hormones raging to their own devices after having likely developed an extremely close relationship due to being forced to rely on each other for essentially everything it’s not exactly surprising. Is it still abhorrent? Sure, but I find the environment the kids were in that actually allowed that to happen much more of an issue than two hormone filled teenagers having sex, no matter their biological relation.
Secondly, how in the blue hell do you expect him to respond to it at this point? He’s extremely close to his sister, and it’s obviously traumatic to have such a stigma placed on you from such a young age. All these reporters and such are now bothering her about it, something I’m sure she’d rather forget about. He’s basically said what you’d want him to say. It’s regrettable, etc, etc, etc. At the end of the day though, anyone that is spouting off about him not showing remorse or whatever is out of their mind, and I suggest they look up the definition of the word remorse. He’s definitely pointed out that he regrets what happened, but at the same time it’s damn hard to expect him to spill over with guilt and self-resentment considering it was a consensual act between two kids who literally didn’t know any better.
It’s a terrible thing, but everyone needs to take a few moments, get off your high horse, and put this into perspective. I’d rather have this guy on my team than someone that electrocuted dogs, or ran over a pedestrian, or beat his girlfriend up, or was brandishing weapons in a club, or one of a million other transgressions, hell in my opinion Afalava’s DUI while in college is more relevant than what this guy did when he was 16. He had a tough life, and he’ll always carry the scars of it with him, he sure as hell doesn’t need forum warriors taking a dump on him as well while squealing ewwwwww gross.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 16, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Now what do you think about the Vanderbilt kid?
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 16, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh man...
Where do you start with Welch…
He’s very much a developmental prospect. If I remember right he actually started football as a QB as bulked up over the years to play OL. He played some RT in ‘08, and honestly seemed to do a fairly good job of being the guy to run behind. I’d honestly say bring this guy in for a private workout and see what they think, and how he feels about a move to guard.
100% honest, I really don’t think he has what it takes to play LT, he isn’t the athlete and doesn’t have the finesse that CDub did, and at least as of the combine he doesn’t have the size to play RT. If he put on 10-15lbs of muscle I could see it, but he’s just kind of an odd duck. He’s got the frame to add on 30lbs no problem, and if he could transition could be a hell of a guard because he’d go from a below average arm length to a bit above average, and with that large frame of his he could easily walk around 335 no problem without sacrificing all his athleticness.
Basically, he’d make a great developmental pick, but as usual they have to decide where they’d want to play him before they call his name. Either RT or G for this guy.
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The fact that you put Fighting dogs
at the same level as f***ing your sister just means that it is you that has messed up moral compass!
I have the same thoughts here, except.......
It has more to do with people being up in arms about what two severely abuse teenagers did while standing by quietly while a man who murdered someone because he was to lazy to call a cab after drinking gets his second chance. Consensual incest with no victims outside of the participants is somehow more vial than a drunk driver murdering a man? About that moral compass…………
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
by T-Train on Mar 17, 2010 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Also here is a question.
If the sister was cool with it how did he/they get caught? Why was he arrested?
Because in most states.....
the elder of the participants (incest is illegal all by itself, remember) is considered the offender in cases involving minors. Silly as it sounds, had they been twins, neither would have been arrested.
Just looked up the law. BTW, The state of Louisiana considers it incest if the siblings are biological, step or adoptive, per RS 14:78.1 or the Louisiana code. Part C of that code also specifies that consent is not a defense.
People who are too lazy to look up the statutes should refrain from speculating as if they had some incite. Remember that this is a real person that you are defaming, whether you mean to or not.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
by T-Train on Mar 17, 2010 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
The punishment
also, happens to be, labeled a sexual predator…forever. oh yeah, and that little morsel of living everyday knowing you slept with your sister and you’ll be chastized, judged, and whispered about, behind your back, and maybe to your face, for the rest of your life.
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by BearNecessities on Mar 17, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bears News
via Adam Schefter (twitter)
Bears signed CB Tim Jennings to a two-year contract and released FB Jason McKie.
by boondock_saint812 on Mar 16, 2010 4:46 PM CDT reply actions
I think we all knew ....
…… McKie was in trouble .
by MidWayMonster54 on Mar 16, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions

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