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Bears' Madness Sweet 16 is Set

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The names include: Halas, Payton, Ditka, Singletary, Urlacher, Dent, Sayers, Butkus, Hampton, Luckman, George, Fencik, Kreutz, Nagurski, Grange and of course Butler.

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4 matchups per day for the next 2 days, with voting continuing through Thursday.  Elite 8 voting will start Friday and go through late Monday, and then the Final 4 will be late next week.

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Gale Sayers

I respect the hell out of every name left (with slight reservations about Butler rising to this level) but for me Sayers is what makes the Bears great. He is a great man who played unlike anyone before him and we have yet to see a running back with his skills since injuries forced him out of the game.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 22, 2010 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I did not have the priviledge of watching Sayers

but I think the same could be said about Barry. I heard someone describe Sanders as being able to leap in the air and juke two different defenders before landing back on the ground.

I wish I had been able to see Sayers. How would the two compare?

by Dane Noble on Mar 22, 2010 9:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

My dad used to tell me

that a good game for Sanders was an average game for Sayers. Gale didn’t have any “off” games. Plus he brought it on special teams and excelled. He was at least as good as Sanders and probably brought (brings) another level to the game with his faith and beliefs. Read “I am Third” co-authored by Sayers. It was the inspiration for “Brian’s Song” and gives a much better picture of Sayers than I could ever paint.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 22, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll try to quit boring people with this campaign.

But I think this one says it all. Now, Sanders was #1, but he wasn’t a special teamer and he had a full career. Deacon Jones sums it up well…

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 22, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Just Dave

I think the biggest difference, from a pure football perspective, between Sayers and Sanders, was Gale rarely went backwards. Barry was like an insect out there, running any which way to avoid tacklers and sometimes lost yards or ran 50 yards for a 2 yard gain. Gale had all the moves, but usually made them while moving forward. Sanders could start and stop, while Sayers made his moves, seemingly at full speed, while rarely stopping.

Both were among the greatest pure runners ever and fun to watch, but (granted, I’m not completely objective on the subject) Gale Sayers was the best ever.

by BearFan611 on Mar 23, 2010 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sayers vs. Sanders

There’s no point in debating who was the better runner because we’ll never know. I personally lean towards Barry because of the competition he faced compared to Sayers but that’s about the only thing that can really be debated between these two.

They both had a plethora of moves that would embarrass anyone trying to tackle them. Neither of them ever wanted to get tackled and were relentless runners. They both had speed, quickness, agility, and the most important trait was there running instincts. I think that’s what seperated those 2 from every other RB this league has produced. It just seemed when you watch their highlights that they knew exactly where defenders were going to be and they made sure that they weren’t going to be there.

In today’s football, defenses are so fast and athletic now that it’s hard for RBs to juke like these 2 did. I think what everyone could agree on is that there will never be anyone better than these two at running a football.

by McRipper on Mar 23, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you had to replace Butler in the top 16,

Who would you do it with? Briggs? McMahon, McMichael, Hester, cutler, van Horne?

by Mike Mueller on Mar 22, 2010 9:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 22, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Plus Doug Atkins and Wilbur Marshall (the two Butler beat to get here).

I could go on, but won’t.

by rdent4hof on Mar 23, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

All of the above, except maybe Hester

Great kicker, but he was just that, a kicker. I think being an ’85er helped him beat the others

by tommite622 on Mar 23, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

so..

semi- finals will be Halas vs Ditka… and Payton vs Singletary or Butkus? those are some tough dudes there..

by GtM on Mar 23, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know it's Halas,

but I wouldn’t count out Sayers, just yet.

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by David Taylor on Mar 23, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

No matter how much I revered Sayers, Butkus, Payton, and many others...

I can’t see how Papa Bear doesn’t get the nod over any of them. Without him, not only is there no Bears, there’s no NFL. Anyone else would be, with all due respect, a mistake, in my opinion.

by BearFan611 on Mar 23, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love Papa Bear too

But as a “favorite”? I can excuse myself and go with a player who inspired me, not an owner/coach who accomplished many noteworthy achievements. BTW, pro football existed before Halas, but it was considered a joke, not unlike the XFL. It wasn’t legitimized until Harold “Red” Grange (widely considered the greatest college player of his day) signed a contract and drew attention, and credibility, to the great sport that became the NFL. Before that, Papa Bear was a bootlegger with moonshine. After that, he was the Al Capone of football. Brilliant? Yes. Favorite all time…..?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 23, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was the one with the guts to go after Grange and bring him over to the pro game,

gambling that he could pay him and not totally lose his shirt. Yes, there was “pro football” but it would have gone the way of the dinosaur if not for Halas and his vision. Not sure what your “Al Capone” reference is supposed to mean…..

by BearFan611 on Mar 24, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm old enough

I have been blessed by seeing Sweetness, E. Campbell, B. Sanders, Dickerson, Faulk, W. Gallimore, E. Smith and many more.
Campbell was murder to try to take down – he had thighs like tree trunks.
Dickerson was really something, but fumbling cost him big.
Emmitt Smith and Walter Payton were tough, tough running backs that brought it to ya.
But I have never seen anything like Sayers since the mid-60’s.
I was a teen and my Dad knew Mugsy Halas (George’s son) and we always had seats on the 45 yard line at Wrigley Field and about once a year we got a special treat and sat ON THE FIELD along the wall and behind the Bears.
I saw Sayers live four or five times and I’m telling you that no one before or since has ever run like that – he was total magic and made defenders look like they were blind and grasping at straw. No one has ever been able to make cuts like Gayle in the last 40+ years. And he did that at full speed. I so wish Gayle could have played today because after his knee injury from Kermit Alexander of SF, he could have healed and played on.
For those of you who were too young, I’m really sorry that you did not get to see him.
He was so special! Name another player who got into the HOF with so few years and stats. There are none.
I love watching Tomlinson and all the other guys mentioned above and while I don’t ever like to say ‘never’, I just cannot fathom another guy like Gayle Sayers again. Nobody has ever come close to those moves since.

by Dirt Road on Mar 22, 2010 11:13 PM CDT reply actions  

You've summarized it as well as anyone could.

Gale scored 22 touchdowns, as a rookie, in 14 games!!! LT scored 28 in a longer season, with a better line, and everyone went crazy. Gale could do it all, and his selection to the HOF on the first ballot after a very abbreviated career says it all. Had he played in this era of advanced surgery techniques he might well have owned all the records.

by BigGeorgeTX on Mar 23, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

That’s total TDs for Sayers. He scored 14 rushing TDs, 6 receiving TDs, 1 punt return, and 1 kick return for 22 TDs in 14 games. LT scored 28 rushing TDs, 3 receiving TDs, 0 returns and 2 passing TDs for christ sakes for 33 Tds in 16 games. LT had more rushing TDs than Sayers had total TDs. However you want to swing it, 33 TDs is f***ing impressive. He had 11 more TDs in just 2 more games than Sayers. Let’s not diminish LT’s accomplishments to validate Sayers’ accomplishments.

by McRipper on Mar 23, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gale did it as a ROOKIE..... with two fewer games.

What, about 30-50 less carries? LT is indeed awesome and may be the best ever, but this is about the favorite Bear all time, and Sayers deserves his stage.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 23, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sayers

Yes, Sayers 22 TDs was impressive. I don’t challenge that at all. All i’m saying is that there’s no need to downgrade LTs TDs. Why even compare them to begin with? They happened 40 years apart. I didn’t understand the point of it.

by McRipper on Mar 24, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

ugh...

please get Emmitt Smiths name away from Walter Paytons… Smith was a good back no question, but he benefitted from one of the best offensive lines in the histroy of the game, Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, Jay Novacek… not to mention a real good defense.

Payton didn’t have a single other Pro Bowler on his team his first 11 seasons in the NFL. Defenses knew who was getting the ball, and they couldn’t stop him.

Smith had the luxury of 56 times another Dallas Cowboy was named to the Pro Bowl in his first 11 years in the NFL.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 23, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was anti-Cowboys...

but that team sure was fun to watch.

You mentioned Aikman, Irvin, and Novacek… add to that Moose Johnson, Nate Newton, Mark Tuinei, Eric Williams, Alvin Harper. And on defense Haley, Lett, Tolbert, Norton Jr, Casillas… that was just a good friggin team.

by Dane Noble on Mar 23, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a Great team...

With a bunch of Pro Bowlers, no where near what Walter had to work with. I just can’t get over how many times a player was named Pro Bowl during their 1st 11 seasons. 56 to 0

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 23, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah..

And they had that awesome D Coordinator….

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by Pete Dixon on Mar 24, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree 100%

Smith was a good back but, despite his numbers, I can’t see where he’ll go down as an NFL immortal. Payton, Sayers, Butkus, Halas, Nagurski, Grange, are icons.

by BearFan611 on Mar 23, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man,

I love Bronko… too bad he has to go up against Halas. Lol

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by Ashley Czuba on Mar 23, 2010 12:02 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't see a single upset

or even a close vote, coming in this round.

But you know this guy is gearing up for the game-winner, and won’t go down without a fight…

by some_dude on Mar 23, 2010 12:24 AM CDT reply actions  

lol

i dont see why he couldnt beat dent, i mean he did beat Atkins. i say if Butler wins this he goes to the semi-finals

by GtM on Mar 23, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Butler beats Dent

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by rdent4hof on Mar 23, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

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