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Nick Roach named prohibitive starter at SLB.

Chicago Sun-Times reported that Nick Roach would be getting looks at strong side linebacker ahead of both Hunter Hillenmeyer and Jamar Williams. There hasn't been a lot of discussion so far amongst Bears fans about this apparent change in the pecking order at the position. While Pisa Tinoisamoa is apparently still in the Bears plans, they are allowing him to play the market a bit since he was unable to do so last year, and want PT to feel as if he is being given a fair deal. However, should PT choose to sign elsewhere those words from Lovie would seem to spell the beginning of the Roach era. Follow me below the fold while we take a quick look at why Roach is being named ahead of HH and Jamar.

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First and foremost, we have made it perfectly known that if PT ends up resigning with the Bears he is going to be the starter by Week 1 barring injury, if not going into camp. PT is a very good player who is in his prime which fits very well with this team, and where they are at age wise. However, resigning Pisa isn't a guarantee so we need to be very aware of what we have left on our roster at the LB position.

Nick Roach: I happen to really like this guy as a player, he's very athletic, very intelligent, and is well-known for a motor that just does not stop. He was fairly productive in college, but as everyone well knows he ended up going undrafted because of a devastating broken leg in his senior campaign that could have been career ending. This combined with some hernia surgery he had done during his junior campaign raised a few red flags, and ended with him getting picked up by the Chargers.

Take this for what you will, but I remember hearing the reason he was let go from the Chargers was two fold, he hadn't completely recovered from the broken leg, and he wasn't a good fit for their 3-4 defense. He has been mostly injury free since joining the Bears, and put in a lot of hard work across the board.

Jamar Williams: This is one of those guys that really works to improve his game, as he addressed many of the major knocks on his game before entering the draft back in '06.  He worked on his speed and stamina, knocking about .2sec off his 40 time to get it down around a 4.6. His major assets though are his good ball skills, and extremely good ability to read and diagnose plays. As terrible as this may sound, but he may be even better than Urlacher when it actually comes down to reaction time and correctly reading the plays, but he isn't really the athlete that Brian is/was. His proper recognition and fast reaction time are what allow him to stay caught up on an NFL level as he struggles at times recovering if he over runs a play due to his stiff hips. He also gets fairly good penetration when called to rush from the weak side. If he were to ever improve his fluidity and agility he could very well be a replacement for the Hurtlocker.

I'm not going to get into HH too much here, as he is a smart player, great guy, but the quintessential fantastic backup LB, and is extremely doubtful to be anything more in what is left in his career with the Bears.

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So what does this mean exactly? It would seem the most logical conclusion is they have Jamar Williams penciled in again as Lance Briggs back up since WLB is one of his better positions. It is also possible they have Jamar backing up Urlacher as well given that his instincts are likely better than Hunters, and while neither are close to even an aging Urlacher as far as the amount of ground they can cover, I'd give the edge to Williams when it comes to the anticipation and diagnosis required out of the MLB in our schemes. If this is the case, even if you think Williams may be the "better player" it doesn't make much sense to shove him into the line up in a position they don't want him playing long term, when they have faith in Roach our possible SLB of the future.

What does everyone else think? Could Roach be the answer at SLB if Pisa doesn't make it back to the team?

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Signing PT should be a priority

He’s a vet in the league and is a beast in the system Lovie loves to run. Roach is the future at the position, but as of now PT is the better player and makes the D better while starting.

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by Acreman20 on Mar 25, 2010 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

A NO BRAINER

PISA TINOISAMO IS A BEAST WHEN HEALTHY “SIGN HIM”

by Dozjah on Mar 25, 2010 8:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Stop shouting.....

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Though I do agree with Dozjah, the Bears should get PLT if possible, he is a very solid player

by tommite622 on Mar 25, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree too

But I have a headache.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 25, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey if Roach can ...

…. get some game reps this kid could turn into something special . That said if Pisa comes back and can stay healthy he’s by far the best srtong side backer on our roster .

by MidWayMonster54 on Mar 25, 2010 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm perfectly fine

with Roach being the starter at the SAM. He’s a tackling machine, and a hell of an athlete. With that said, I don’t think it will stop JA from re-signing PT very soon.

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by propheteer on Mar 25, 2010 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

As terrible as this may sound, but he may be even better than Urlacher when it actually comes down to reaction time and correctly reading the plays

Somebody is getting a kick out of reading that…

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by ifuwannacrownem on Mar 26, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions  

i like #53

if for no other reason than he can down a mammoth slice of cake with one bite. that and he had some flashes of awesomeness last year

by reefermadness3 on Mar 26, 2010 12:58 AM CDT reply actions  

i want PT to stay, i agree with all of the above. he fits in well with our scheme and is awesome.i also like nick roach who has improved and also is a nice fit. i would like the franchise to start looking for a replacement for the Hurtlocker as we dont want to be scrambling should he wish to retire.

by stepeo on Mar 26, 2010 1:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Prohibitive, or provisional?

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by Spongie on Mar 26, 2010 1:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Both?

Kinda depends on how likely you think PT is to resign, and sadly I’m not sure the chance is very good.

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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 26, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still don’t see how he could be a prohibitive starter…..

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Mar 26, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about "prostitutional" starter?

As in…

pros·ti·tu·tion (prŏs’tĭ-tōō’shən, tyōō’)
n. The act or an instance of offering or devoting one’s talent to an unworthy use or cause.

i.e. playing on Lovie’s defense.
J/K kind of…..

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 26, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harsh, sir, harsh. He’s fairly prototypical of a Lovie LB, though.

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Mar 27, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would be using this definition...

3. So likely to win as to discourage competition: the prohibitive favorite to win the nomination.

I don’t see any way Roach is usurped by HH, pretty much ever at this point in his career. Then you’ve got Jamar who hasn’t had a ton of playing time himself, and if they are wanting to groom him for a MLB role, or back up role for Briggs then they are unlikely to give him reps for a position they don’t see him playing long term after already giving starting reps to Roach.

That is unless Roach stinks up the place, but like I said I don’t see that happening either. He’ll either be average or above average, both good enough to make any competition at the position effectively moot unless PT resigns.

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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 27, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like he’s the provisional starter, on the provision that Tinoisamoa doesn’t return, then.

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Mar 28, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said...

It depends on how likely you think PT coming back is, at this point I think the chance isn’t that great. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I honestly think you’re looking at a less than 10% chance of a resign, and that is the only way Roach isn’t starting. This also isn’t taking into consideration that the reason PT hasn’t signed anywhere yet is he may be unable to pass a team physical, if that’s the case even if he were to resign it’s no longer a sure thing that he would even usurp Roach.

Long story short, you can be the prohibitive starter while there are still provisions to you starting, they aren’t mututally exclusive terms.

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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 28, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm prohibiting both of you from further commentary on this matter.

Providing you’re both O.K. with that…..

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 28, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now we just need a...

Hug it out picture.

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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 29, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here ya go. :]

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by Ashley Czuba on Mar 29, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I say Jamar. I feel roach is too small and all I can remember was Vernon Davis running him over after catching a ball (not even seeing the blind side Roach hit coming), after talking smack about how weak the Bears D was. Jamar plays with more of an attitude and is a surer tackler. He also doesnt get swallowed up by oncoming blockers like i saw with Roach over and over again. Im with everyone else on signing Pisa tho, but with Jamar as the backup plan.

by hEnIcE on Mar 26, 2010 7:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Has Jamar ever played MLB?

I think he’s an OLB, weakside then strong…

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 26, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

That's the thing...

He never played MLB, but that’s the position his skill set is actually good for.

He isn’t fast enough for the weakside, and he isn’t strong enough for the strongside, not to mention he has the same issue Urlacher does. He can squeeze through holes with the best of them, but if a tackle or guard actually gets a solid piece of him, he has a bit of trouble breaking the block.

However, he’s got great ball skills, excells at creating turnovers, very good at reading plays as they develop, has more quickness than speed although isn’t exactly slow. With his ability to make plays on the ball/read the play, and occasionally disrupt the pocket it fits very well into Urlacher’s current role. He definitely isn’t the supreme beast of an athlete that Urlacher is, but really who is? The rest of his skill set matches very well.

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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 27, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pisa, Pisa, Pisa . . .

Pisa is one of the better LBs in the league. In fact, I would say that Briggs is the only LB on the team better than Pisa (yes, Urlacher was better than all of them, but he’s 4 years past his prime at this point).

Roach is too small, and gets dragged for extra yardage. Williams has looked great everytime he’s been given a chance.

Pisa, Urlacher, and Briggs would be the top LB unit in the league.

by MakeHalasProud on Mar 26, 2010 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Isn't Pisa smaller than Roach?

Pisa is only about 220, right?

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by JimmyMack on Mar 26, 2010 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Pisa doesn’t hold anything back when he hits. His stops of Brandon Jacobs in the preseason were pretty monster.

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
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by Spongie on Mar 26, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

pisa man

man i love the guys motor but he has got to stay healthy!! think the bears wnat hom back but will give him some look see if he wishes

by achilles10 on Mar 27, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Yay for Nick Roach.

I know his time at MLB last year was out of necessity, but he looked utterly lost out there calling the defense and showed no vision or instincts for the position. The only way to make up for it with his athleticism. Yet even with all that, he definitely showed flashes. I can’t wait for him to spend some game time spelling Pisa at the SAM, his natural position.

If Roach plays to his potential, I see no reason why a Pisa/Roach platoon at the strong side wouldn’t be in our best interest. That way we lessen the chances of Pisa getting hurt, and Roach continues his progression.

As bad as last year was, it helped grow the second string at our LB spots, and showed that we have decent depth. Jamar can be a solid backup at the Will, and the Pisa/Roach platoon will be great. We will be exposed again, though, if Urlacher isn’t healthy next year. HH just doesn’t have the necessary athleticism to cover the middle against the pass, and it leaves the middle of the field wide open for whatever the opposing QB wants to do in there.

NOW LET’S ALL CROSS OUR FINGERS THAT ALL OUR STARTERS STAY HEALTHY NEXT SEASON. ESP. BRIGGS AND URLACHER.

by ChiLobo#23 on Mar 27, 2010 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

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