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The Bears Den: March 26, 2010- Bears Shopping Brown

The Bears are actively shopping Alex Brown, but could end up releasing the 9 year veteran.

Might we be seeing the Bears playing on Thanksgiving? 

Julius Peppers to play both right and left sides of the defensive line.

Lovie Smith says Hester and Olsen should see more playing time in Martz's offense.

Would the Bears be willing to accept  a 3rd round pick for D. Manning?

Are you following WCG on Twitter?

Star-divide

Izzy Idonije writes about his trip to Nigeria; wishes he had muscles as big as me.

Lovie Smith speaks candidly about Mike Martz and the WR corp.

An intriguing WR prospect might have caught the Bears eyes.

The next edition of "Hard Knocks" is set... and the team is-

Creator of ESPN dies at 81 years old.

Doc Gooden still celebrating 1986 World Series.

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Marcus Easley could be a good pick, but 6-2, 207 and a possible sub 4.4 40 time, sure he’s going in the third rd, and we need a Safety way more than another underdeveloped WR

Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear

by BearNecessities on Mar 26, 2010 7:22 AM CDT reply actions  

JA and the elusive draft picks

Brown , Manning, Pisa, only the beginning. He will do anything to recoup lost draft picks. That U.CONN. wr. can play. Saw him against ND . gets good separation, good burst. Looks every bit of 6 2 207.

by Bob Manganiello on Mar 26, 2010 7:40 AM CDT reply actions  

he does look promising doesn't he?

but can you really justify taking him over a Major Wright?
if he fell to the 4th…i’d love to have him

Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear

by BearNecessities on Mar 26, 2010 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanksgiving

Thanksgiving would be fun. Especially being that we would be fielding a much better squad than we field the last time we were there on Thanksgiving(Could we have been worse?).

Only bad thing about this is the guarantee of this game being on FOX, and us having to hear Troy Aikman and Joe Buck cheerlleading the entire game, saying how GREAT average players for Dallas are, and how decent ours are. I say if Troy calls the game, Ditka should be the other announcer so he could chump down Troy every time he makes an assinine statement.

by hEnIcE on Mar 26, 2010 7:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I still haven't recovered from Dallas

in 07… we had ’em locked up 10-10 into the 3rd quarter… i was so pissed when we gave it away, some payback would be nice, with Aikman announcing making it all the more sweeter

Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear

by BearNecessities on Mar 26, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Release Alex Brown? Their most effective lineman the past 2 years?

Yeah, they’d probably be that stupid. Sorry Alex, it sucks when you weren’t a first day draft pick. That’s what happens when you put the bulk of your money into one player at a position. Peppers had better tear it up this season. I’m sure Alex will do well whereever he winds up.

by BigGeorgeTX on Mar 26, 2010 7:56 AM CDT reply actions  

releasing brown will be a huge mistake...

Worse than the thomas jones trade. Why would we get rid of a solid player. Mark Anderson sucks, and Izzy has never played end full time. I hope these rumors are false. We will regret this big time. We have no depth at de.

by Ryan21 on Mar 26, 2010 9:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

so why do teams keep letting him go then?

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 26, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Contract demands

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he was as good as some seem to think he is

his contract demands would not be an issue. The bottom line is TJones is a solid RB, nothing special. Teams that have him always seem to be looking for someone better.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 27, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I did but I could not tell if you were talking about TJones or ABrown

Neither are special players

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 27, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

you overrate ABrown

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 26, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's better

and more consistent than Mark Anderson

Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear

by BearNecessities on Mar 26, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Irrelevant

Anderson is not being paid $5.5M like ABrown, and it is not as if the choice is ABrown or Anderson, it is ABrown or the combo of Idonije and Anderson.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 27, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe they spend

Alex Brown’s 5 mil on OJ Atogwe. I think everyone would be ok with that.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Mar 26, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that happens

peace to AB, but you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul, you’re strengthening saftey but making your d-line weaker.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

Brown may not have been a great sack artist, but the man could play against the run

by tommite622 on Mar 26, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

A couple things

I disagree that you are robbing Peter to pay Paul. Alex Brown became a backup RE the day Peppers was signed. So you’d be losing your backup RE to improve from Craig Steltz to OJ Atogwe. That is an infinite improvement, and you don’t lose much since right now Alex Brown isn’t playing much.

Second, the RE is a pass-rusher first, run-stopper second. Alex Brown was not a good pass-rusher. Part of the reason he was solid against the run is because he wasn’t fast or strong enough to get around the LT, so he was still there to play the run. But he’s too small to play RT and try to fight through a mauling RT AND a TE. He’d become a complete non-factor there.

So while I like Alex Brown, I like him in the same way I liked Adrian Peterson as a backup RB. He works hard and does a nice job, but in all reality he’s serviceable at best at a spot where you really need a home run hitter.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Mar 26, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

not really

ABrown is nothing special. Idonije/Anderson will be just as effective.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 27, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

‘’"Very happy with Mark last year," Smith said. "He played better than he was given credit for. We feel comfortable with him.’’’’’’

WTH???? r u kidding me! hes a one trick pony ! I like the guy personally but since all the teams found out what his trick was,he avg only 3 sacks a season !!!

by I love football! on Mar 26, 2010 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

If Brown is dealt

I’d rather trust Izzy at DE than Anderson as the starter

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 26, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

for sure

"Do or do not... there is no try." - Yoda

by Maelvampyre on Mar 26, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes I do as well.

When they say there feeling comfortable with Mark Anderson,that’s when I start to get scared.

I mean lets face it,the thing with Brown is, he’d be a perennial Pro-Bowler if he got about three or four more sacks per year. He’s extremely good against the run, does a good job of getting his hands up in to passing lanes if he can’t stick it to the quarterback, has been the definition of consistent over his Bears career.This is a ridiculous idea of even thinking about trading Brown.

by I love football! on Mar 26, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can say that

about almost every DE in the entire league.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not Mark Anderson.

And the two guys are both taking home the same salary. It’s been three years of believing that Mark Anderson was going to return to rookie form – it doesn’t make any sense to get rid of the better player after Anderson keeps failing to achieve his potential.

—d

by itsugly on Mar 26, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed,

Mark Anderson is the one that needs to be put on the block or released.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we were only looking short term, yes

But Anderson is quite a bit younger then Brown

by tommite622 on Mar 26, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

When they start to say they are comfortable with someone

who is a sub par performer, you can almost smell that person in the starting role

Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear

by BearNecessities on Mar 26, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's the plan

Have Izzy play most downs, and Anderson come in on passing situations.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yall will eat your words

While I like Alex Brown a whole lot, Mark Anderson will be very good if given the starting job. For once I agree with Lovie that Mark Anderson played better then he was given credit for.

by No It All on Mar 26, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes he deserves a little more credit.

But with that being said,Brown or Anderson is not a long term solution.So why not stick with the better player now and find your long term solution when u can?Anderson is a 1 trick pony,and he can’t tackle all that well against the run.

by I love football! on Mar 26, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

brown and idonije

On the surface the possibility of trading away Alex Brown would seem like a dumb move, however, Idonije has the tools to succeed in replacing Brown at DE, and he may be a shade faster and quicker than Brown too. The question is, will Anderson develop into a viable DE who can play the run as well as rush the passer? That is where the real risk lays.

"Do or do not... there is no try." - Yoda

by Maelvampyre on Mar 26, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/03/mad-mike-thats-not-martz-that-smith-knows.html

 Alex on March 25, 2010 9:22 AM

Hey, if you have forgotten! Lovie wasn’t fired it was too costly to pay him to let him sit on his squash.

The real problem is that Lovie’s head and squash are interchangeable.

Look how Manning and other D-backs have been bounced around
and look how Idonije has been asked to gain and lose 10,000 lbs. Anthony Adams has proven to be very reliable but Lovie is too confused to use him properly.

Lovie can not develop or recognize talent!

Kreutz, Garza and Beekmen are undersized and the rush stats prove it out! If Lovie the Mope and Angelo the dope don’t fix the O-Line it will be the old results!

He seems angry but I couldn’t of said it better myself. (hes second comment down btw)

by I love football! on Mar 26, 2010 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

but I couldn’t of said it

Couldn’t have. Couldn’t have.

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Mar 26, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I should start

having little grammar lessons in my History Book posts… Lol

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by Ashley Czuba on Mar 26, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you bring up a very good point.

have course not many people will understand what you are talking about.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 26, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Mar 26, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

hehehe

Yes yes i messed up I apogized =p

by I love football! on Mar 26, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

You wanna get rid of our best DE? WTF?

Plus… with Peppers on board, it’ll take attention away from AB to have more playmaking opportunities.

Ugh… I swear we’re run by morons.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Mar 26, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

With Peppers opposite him, he could have a nice year… then again, so could Izzy playing the other side of Peppers

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 26, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

But AB is such a complete player... playmaker... and more importantly: leader.

Lovie Smith getting cocky again… and he’ll lose on this decision once again.

If Izzy and Anderson were the real solution… then they wouldn’t have traded for Gaines Adams last year. Their “biggest FA acquisition last year” Rod Marinelli, was brought in to improve the pass rush… and very specifically Mark Anderson. That didn’t get fixed last year. What makes you think it’ll be any different next year?

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Mar 26, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Peppers

He’s different than last year.

I think trading Brown is dumb too. But if Peppers has a year he is capable of, the other DE will benefit from the attention he gets. Whether it’s Brown or Izzy… but not Anderson.

Anderson did have an ok year, he finally learned how to hold the edge on occasion, he added a new move or two to his pass rush, but I just don’t think he can be a full time starter.

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 26, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why Izzy will probably start

and shift over to DT in passing downs. Am I the only one that believes the Bears will get better with this move? Jeez….it’s not like the D-line has been very good the past three years. Brown is not exempt from their poor play. I believe Izzy can duplicate, but probably will proceed Alex’s play because he’s younger, faster, and more versatile.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brown's 30... turning 31 in June

Izzy’s 29, turning 30 in November.

I don’t see a real difference there.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Mar 26, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about this?

PFF ratings for both Izzy and Brown.

Brown- 787 snaps, 20 QB pressures, 12 hits, 7 sacks, with an overall rating of 3.3.

Izzy- 322 snaps, 13 QB pressures, 4 hits, 2 sacks, with an overall rating of 6.9.

It’s not only his age, salary, but it’s also efficiency and production. Add a rising Anderson to the mix (yes, Rod is better evaluator than you and I), and the Bears have a better, more productive duo at the end opposite of Pepp.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to buy in to those numbers...

But I also have to remind that situations aren’t measured there. Many times, a guy like Izzy or Anderson comes on the field on 3rd and long… with fresh legs… with one goal: rush the passer.

Very different than playing every down and situation.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Mar 26, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true

but it’s very possible and reasonable to think he’ll at least duplicate his production. In addition, it will give a chance for the Bears to properly evaluate Gilbert and Melton by giving them some snaps inside, without losing much on the outside.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey didnt we discuss this weeks ago?

We did see Linky Linky

Adoptive Parent of Earl Bennett since 2010
"You can do it Buddy, Get off that Bench!"

by Eaten by Bears on Mar 26, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know what I just realized?

Richard Dent’s nickname was Sackman… is that where your screenname came from? Lol, I know that’s dumb… but I was just watching the Superbowl Shuffle, and it clicked. LOL

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by Ashley Czuba on Mar 26, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

This isn't a bad scenario

While I love Brown as a player, he’s not a spring chicken anymore. The defense hasn’t been up to par the past three years, so naturally, it makes some sense to try and upgrade with younger more athletic players (Idonije) along the D-line.


One NFC scout contacted was asked if he could simply pick the best position for Idonije, where would he play him? He said he would used Idonije at left end on first and second down and move him inside as a pass rusher on third down. So the Bears’ move of Idonije sets him up to be improved in the eyes of this scout. Again, he projects as a left end, though, not a guy who will play both sides.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

A horrible scenario...

You’re trusting the same idiots who thought they could replace Thomas Jones with Cedric Benson and be improved. And they thought they could replace Chris Harris with fill in the blank # of players, and be improved. And, they thought they could replace Alex Brown with Mark Anderson after the SuperBowl… and that didn;t last too long either.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Mar 26, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

No two situations are alike

Trying to predict Benson’s unraveling in a Bears uniform is like trying to predict that your kid will have autism. The guy was a complete headcase from the moment his named was called; it wasn’t JA or LS’s fault he couldn’t handle the pressures of a highly paid NFL player from the onset of his career.

Brown= old, serviceable player, with zero upside, and big contract.
Izzy and Anderson= younger, hungrier, more versatile (Izzy only), and less paid.

Now, I agree completely with you in regards to Chris Harris. They were too “high” coming off a SB appearance, and believed they could put anyone back there to play safety. These scenarios couldn’t be more different because of the players ages and their salaries. So do you really believe Idoniji can’t get at least six sacks and be a better than average run stopper?

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Age should be no factor on this roster for 2010

They’re swinging for the fences… mortgaging the future to try and win now and save their jobs.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Mar 26, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Combinination
Brown= old, serviceable player, with zero upside, and big contract.
Izzy and Anderson= younger, hungrier, more versatile (Izzy only), and less paid.

Izzy/Anderson>Brown

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

the move just doesn't make sense

on the field. AB is a leader for this team. he played hurt, and he played when the rest of the line gave up and sucked ass. you reward the guy by trading him? because we want to save some cash in an uncapped season? we want to get younger?

or is this to make room for our redshirt freshman (Melton)?

it’s just a dumb move. they’re giving up proven production for a wing and a prayer. Anderson/Izzy may be cheaper, hungrier and younger, but they will not replace AB’s presence on this defense.

by junkhorse on Mar 26, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Izzy has the production

while Anderson has improved in the running game. I think the combination of those two will make the D-line better. It’s all about getting consistent pressure on the QB, and Brown hasn’t done that. Add his big salary and age, then you have a good reason to move on from him.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brown is one year older than Izzy!

Brown is a complete player. You cannot say the same for Anderson. I think you guys are underrating Brown. There is no cap and its not our $ There is no reason to get rid of our best players. Not to mention the fact that injuries happen all the time. Peppers or Izzy or any of our d-line can get hurt on any play. If Peppers goes down we are gonna have Izzy and Anderson as our starters? Watch out Superbowl, here we come.

by Ryan21 on Mar 26, 2010 5:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

inmates running the asylum contunes..AB is the heart and soul of the team. Maybe the smartest guy on the defense. PLays the run well, drops in coverage, bats down balls. Never been an elite pass rusher but the other guy at the other end will take care of that.

" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-

by tfrabotta on Mar 26, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anderson sucks

and Alex Brown is our 2nd best D-lineman (not just 2nd best DE). He’s also a high character guy with a very reasonable contract. Brown is a complete DE who steps-up in big moments, and can block FGs too.

Anderson has 0 of those traits. He has 1 move – an ineffective speed rush move. Anderson is the weakest link.

by MakeHalasProud on Mar 26, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Brown expecting

I can’t get the damn story to come up but apparently Brown is telling teammates he’s expecting to be traded or released. Link

by boondock_saint812 on Mar 26, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Chicken little please stop...the sky is not falling!!!

I will miss Alex Brown as much as the next Bears fan…the “Gator Chomp” was one of the few bright spots over the last few seasons, however:

1. We now have Julius Peppers…and with all due respect to Brown, Peppers is a much more tallented DE. If we would not have acquired Peppers we would have a rotation of Brown, Izzy, Ogunleye, and Anderson, just like last year…we all know how that turned out. This year with Peppers, Izzy and Anderson should both look better.

2. Brown was due like $5.5 Mill this season…maybe just maybe they actually thought that money could be spent on another position like FS or OL where we have a bigger need.

3. Marinelli seems to like what he sees in Anderson…maybe he knows more than we do.

4. This situation reminds me of last year when we got Jay Cutler. Many people were sad to see Orton leave, but I think overall the production at the position improved. I know Jay did not have a probowl season, but I think it would have been a much longer season in 2009 with Kyle behind center.

I will miss Brown and his stable proformance, but my hope is at the end of the season we won’t notice an overall lack in production from our D-line, in fact I expect to see an improvement.

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Mar 26, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

good post

ABrown was at best a solid player, nothing more and he is now on the downhill side of his career.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 26, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even if he is on the downside of his career

what is the point of releasing him?

Neil takes the fun out of funk

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 26, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe the point is...

They are entertaining trade offers to get something of value back for him instead of getting nothing back by flat out releasing him.

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Mar 26, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, if they do trade him

as opposed to flat out releasing him and do actually get something of value than I will be wrong, but until then I’m gonna say that his is a very dumb idea

Neil takes the fun out of funk

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 26, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are 5.5 million reasons

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 27, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

The Bears will be better next year (are you reading Sack?), and beyond.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except that

Lovie’s defense is predicated on getting pressure on the QB. Brown just doesn’t cut it; thus, the reason for cutting/trading him and his inflated salary. The combination of Anderson and Idonije (great against the run) will be more productive against the pass.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 26, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

add to that

Peppers is our new RE, and Alex Brown is too small to play LE.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Mar 26, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

putting a lot of faith

in Anderson … a guy who has only produced one monster season and then vanished. Izzy has a motor, but still doesn’t replace the fact that AB came to work every Sunday for this team and we’re going to let him go and hope that Anderson plays to potential.

we did that shit with Cedric Benson and look how that turned out.

by junkhorse on Mar 26, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

except on the reverse the other team runs

where Anderson overruns the play and they get 23 yards and AB tackles him for a 3 yrd loss..

" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-

by tfrabotta on Mar 26, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I normally post on the Bulls board

but I had to chime in on this Alex Brown trade issue. Imo this is a total joke. They’re gonna get rid of one of our most consistent starters and a true leader in order to (apparently) save a few bucks in an uncapped year? Anyone that likes this move has to be able to give a good reason because I just do not see the point. Although it’s not all bad because these assholes will finally get what they deserve at the end of the season.

Neil takes the fun out of funk

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 26, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

The team captain

that should be leaving the city is Kirk Hinrich, not AB

by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 26, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha!

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 26, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Neil takes the fun out of funk

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 26, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

being consistently a bit better than average

is not worth the $5.5M they owe him this season. Dump him and use the cash to get a FS. Idonije and Anderson will fill the LE spot as well and probably better than ABrown would.

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by lookingdeadred on Mar 27, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

AB You will be missed

He was a hard worker, a team leader and all around classy guy who Bears fans loved. I wish him the best. The Bears could be making a mistake with moving him.

"Dick Butkus once tackled the Packers."
"Dick Butkus played all 11 defensive positions...at the same time."
"Dick Butkus once sacked a quarterback simply by looking at him."

by Sam Householder on Mar 26, 2010 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

nothing good comes from releasing

“Browns” from our team

Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear

by BearNecessities on Mar 26, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think he meant Mike Brown, but....

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 26, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did mean Mike Brown

Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear

by BearNecessities on Mar 26, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got your back Juicebox.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 26, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was obvious, or at least it should have been

but some people post first and think second.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 27, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a joke, bro.....

Dry wit. Nothing more.

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1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 26, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I assumed he was being sarcastic

I find this whole thread rather entertaining.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Mar 27, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

We agree completely, my friend....

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 28, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

It appears that some people insist on being offended

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 28, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

try thinking before you post and call people racist

otherwise you will look the fool

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 27, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, it wasn't

and saying it was and repeating it makes you look ignorant. Let it go.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 27, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

lmao!!!!

And people still think you’re serious! OMG, stop, bro. You’re killin’ me!

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 28, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree....

Here I am calling for Mike Brow’s return and now that wanna cut ALEX?!?!? You know, when they added Julius I thought to myself.. OMG.. our D line will be sick… and slowly one by one, they are dismantling it! Why do we always find a way to F something up?

GO BEARS!!!!

by ChiTownSounds on Mar 26, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

its too bad

brown has been a solid player but he wants a lot of dough and with peppers and the money spent on him it makes sense.. as much as i hate to see fav players go like vasher, mckie, peterson.. im impressed that the bears are cleaning house..
funny how things get done when your jobs on the line huh?

by achilles10 on Mar 26, 2010 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

NO CAP

$1 Billion organization can pay Alex Brown is contact so that we have 2 legit starting defensive ends. Granted we have about 5 crummy players waiting in the wings and maybe one of them is a diamond in the rough, but trading Brown would downgrade our DLine big time and would sour the Peppers signing IMO. We needed to keep Wale or Brown, we let Wale go and now we need to keep Brown.

All that said if we can trade him and get a pick then I would do it. Simply releasing him would be a mistake.

by No It All on Mar 26, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

dumping Brown to save salary = assinine

pisses me off. why does this organization shit on players that have done them right and have upheld the character and pride of this team that the ownership craves? i don’t understand it. unless we throw gross money at someone, who is going to want to come here?

AB comes here and does nothing but produce. he doesn’t bitch, whine and moan. he doesn’t vanish (Tommie Harris), he doesn’t run from the media when the team gets its collective ass kicked and the defense is pathetic and he fought to get his job back from someone (Anderson) who didn’t deserve it.

i like how Lovie just hands the job back to Anderson (oh, and Izzy) after they fail to produce on a consistent basis. maybe i overrate AB, or maybe I just see that the guy has a lot of value for what he brings to the table. all the fans saying that this makes our team better are living in a Julius Peppers fart cloud. dumping AB in favor of DE by committee is stupid.

by junkhorse on Mar 26, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL... yeah... They resign players instead of looking at FA and call it Loyalty....

Then they trade off or release a player in their last year of a contract to not have to remain “loyal” to the contract the offered them…. NFL Business 101

GO BEARS!!!!

by ChiTownSounds on Mar 26, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe

They are trying to trade him to save a little green so they can sign OJ (the safety not the murderer) Atogwa (however its spelled) but who knows DM is back at safety with Steltz..where Al Afalava is i dont know.

Bear down Chicago

by tomh115 on Mar 26, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

a trade like that,

a move for some actual purpose like signing another player at a position of need would be fine. But my feeling is they are just trying to cut salary because they are cheap.

by No It All on Mar 26, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Nathan Vasher, Orlando Pace and Maybe Alex Brown should free up enough money for OJ Atogwe.
Now Brown is good, but can be replaced by Izzy who is awesome and Izzy+Atogwe>Brown+Steltz or a 3rd round safety, but that’s assuming they sign Atogwe.

by DaHamsta on Mar 26, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ONLY way this makes any sense is if we go out and get Atogwe.

It’s absurd to think that losing an all around talent like Alex Brown is a good thing. Peppers can’t do it all by himself. Why did we take 2 steps forward and 1 step back? If we end up with Atogwe and a second rounder or third rounder, I would be OK with that.

What if this blows up in our face? For example, we have to cut AB, another team signs Anderson, and we drop out of a bidding war in June when Atogwe’s price tag gets too high for us?

by ChiLobo#23 on Mar 26, 2010 5:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Seems like

Chicago has lost a lot of top defensive players in the past two seasons, only to get Cutler and Peppers. Not much of a trade.

My emptiness says it doesn't care.

by Topher Doll on Mar 26, 2010 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

No, we've only lost defensive players to injury for the most part.

And I’m really happy with Cutler and Peppers. C’mon, Denver fans would’ve really loved him, too. Cutler’s really going to rock under the Martz system. A healthy D next year would really help us turn our fortunes around.

I hope that Quinn really works out for you guys. Don’t give up on Orton yet! Convince him to grow back the neckbeard. It’s where all his power eminated from. Trust me.

by ChiLobo#23 on Mar 26, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Injury

But players like A. Brown, M. Brown, Ogunleye, and Vasher sure would help any team, while either getting older, or sometimes injured, to let that many quality players leave seems reckless.

Also, I’m a big fan of Orton, it helps to be a Denver fan as well, so I appreciate the neckbeard comment!

My emptiness says it doesn't care.

by Topher Doll on Mar 26, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Brown stayed on the IR

and at some point enough is enough, Wale is on the downside and it’s probably better not to re-sign him…Vasher im not so sure about he’s had injury issues for the longest but i would have gone to camp with him and see where it went from there…All the moves they have made so far have made sense imo

Kobe isnt good....He's just better than your favorite player

by EmmCeee on Mar 26, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vasher really never lived up to expectations. He wasn't just a salary cut,

He did absolutely nothing to justify that salary the past few seasons. Mike Brown has always been one of my favorites. But he was no longer effective. He’d play great for a few games then go down with another injury. It hurt us in the long run to keep him on the roster. Ogunleye, while a really good end, was clearly in a decline, and never met the same type of production he had at Miami.

The only move that seems reckless will be the release of Alex Brown if it ever happens without an acquisition of equal or greater value. Trust me, no Bears fan mourned losing Vasher, or essentially trading Ogunleye for Peppers. Those moves made us stronger.

by ChiLobo#23 on Mar 26, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

But we have done nothing to really replace them.

My emptiness says it doesn't care.

by Topher Doll on Mar 26, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-

by tfrabotta on Mar 26, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea

But I’m followed the Bears longer. I love the Bears history of smash mouth football and have always enjoyed watching them.

While I agree that those players may have been on the down hill, but since M. Brown left safety has been an area of instablity, cornerback is lacking depth, and the D line is pretty shallow. While I like picking up Peppers, he makes enough to pay for a whole D line.

My emptiness says it doesn't care.

by Topher Doll on Mar 26, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

No it's more reckless

to continue to pay players that are either unproductive or oft injured $2-5 million per year. And it’s probably more reckless for a team to give up nearly 300 yards rushing and throw 2 pick 6’s against a lowly Chiefas team when you need a win to get into the playoffs…

" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-

by tfrabotta on Mar 26, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey

I didn’t come here to bash the Bears, now don’t bash the Broncos. I like both teams, both have weaknesses and areas to improve, I’m sorry if I said something to bother you but don’t bash if there is no reason. Besides why does everyone seem to care that I like the Broncos.

My emptiness says it doesn't care.

by Topher Doll on Mar 26, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

We had a lot of Broncos -supporting tools stirring up faecal matter here last season when their mancrush ex-franchise QB had bad games. Oddly enough they didn’t dare show thier faces when he did well, or when Denver’s season collapsed. “Broncos fans” are not exaclty synonymous with “classy guys” to WCGers.

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
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by Spongie on Mar 27, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to hear that

I’m a fan of a few teams, I liked Denver, but after Orton was traded, I started following them more closely. I just love football, team loyalty is important but not more than the game.

My emptiness says it doesn't care.

by Topher Doll on Mar 27, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are not bothering me in the least

But you are calling on the team to keep players who are oft injured and or not productive at pretty hefty sums. I would love to have a Mike Brown on my team from 4 years ago. But injuries have caught up to him and he is a liability in coverage. Vasher is terrible, Brown and Ogunleye are expensive and on the downside of their careers. So I am not sure how this team is acting reckless. And yes our DLine is shallow so that is why we signed maybe the top DE in the league. That will help everyone elses level of play (wow this sounds like what we said a year ago when we traded for Cutler..). And the MHR’s still have their feelings hurt by Jay leaving them and they like to take pot shots at every chance that they get. But that will all work out for us in the end..

" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-

by tfrabotta on Mar 30, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

People dont seem to understand Brown would get very limited pt

with Peppers starting on the right side..Brown is not a LE, so what we’re gonna pay him 5.5 mil to be a backup? It’s not like he would come in on 3rd down Peppers has that locked up..For those that say Anderson sucks he had 3.5 sacks compared to Browns 6 with Brown playing twice as much and Izzy’s production was better with a smaller role….Not a bad move at all for the Bears

Kobe isnt good....He's just better than your favorite player

by EmmCeee on Mar 26, 2010 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

No

You don’t pay $20 mil for one of the top 3 Right defensive ends in football and move him to left end to keep Alex Brown (who is probably in the bottom 1/3 of REs in football despite being a heck of a competitor) at his natural position.

And if you’re going to make Peppers the RE, you have to decide if you want Alex Brown, who makes 5 mil, is over 30, and is undersized/strengthed for a LE, or Izzy/Anderson who are younger, cheaper, and better suited for the left side.

I like Alex Brown and will miss him. But he wasn’t great at his position, he was just ok. Peppers is great there. Let’s just hope the Bears take Brown’s money and invest it in a safety.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Mar 26, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m sure I read just after the Peppers signing that Lovie likes the better pass rusher at LE, because that way they’re usually not facing the opposing team’s best pass-blocker (i.e. the LT).

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Mar 26, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i read that too...

If we get a 3rd or 4th rnd pick, I would be ok with that. I doubt we will and releasing him makes no sense to me at all. 5 mill to this team in an uncapped year is a drop in the ocean.

by Ryan21 on Mar 27, 2010 10:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's not great.

He has to many intangibles to just trade away.Better suited how ?Izzy is inexperienced at the age of (30) and Mark Anderson is a one trick pony……..If you get anything less then Atowge don’t trade him……..

by I love football! on Mar 27, 2010 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

why cant he play le ?

At RE he goes up against the better T. Wouldn’t he be better than LE? Browns #’s the last 2 yrs are better than Izzy and Andersons combined over that time. And if the better end plays the left side and Anderson is bad at the RE spot, how will he be better if moved full time the the LE? How do we get stronger with a weaker player?

by Ryan21 on Mar 27, 2010 11:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anderson isnt that great at either side,since his rookie year.

You guys are underestimating AB here,hes a consistent all around player.This is kind of the same situation the cubs had with Mark Derosa.They thought,well hes a good player but he can be replaced so we will just save the money.Look how that turned out………….

by I love football! on Mar 27, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

At LE

ge goes up against a stronger, more physical RT AND a tight end in most situations.

At RE he goes up against the LT on an island. The LT is usally longer and quicker than the RT, but Peppers has proven that he is a mismatch for most LTs.

There is a reason that NFL teams put their best pass-rusher on the right side. They get to rush the QBs blind side and they usually get a one-on-one matchup.

As far as putting Alex Brown at LE, he doesn’t have the size/strength to play there. LEs face a mauling RT who is there to excel at run-blocking, and often gets help from the TE in pass-blocking. Brown would disappear there. Putting Izzy there on run downs and Anderson on passing downs is probably more productive than putting Brown there. And it saves $5 mil, which could potentially be used to upgrade elsewhere.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Mar 28, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sorta wanna wait and see with Mark Andersen also. I mean his rookie year wasnt a fluke was it? Was it? So if Marinelli is this great motivator then we should see some sort of untapped potential(Im hoping).I sort of agree with giving players some room to adjust to a new system/scheme, and then excel in the following years. Thats why I think him, Jay Cutler, and honestly, most of the team (we are young at so many positions), which is totally a good thing, will be alot better this year. Sadly, its boom or bust with whether our guys can pick up such a complicated scheme in its first year of implication. Hopefully the chemistry that they gained last year will help with that process and we succeed.

by hEnIcE on Mar 27, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Of our. Our!

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Mar 27, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont dseserve a A+ in the english spelling or punctuation department.

But you don’t have to track me down and correct my mistakes.I speak numbers, If this was a math website this would be a role reversal,but I would still have the courtesy not to correct the majority of your mistakes.

by I love football! on Mar 27, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not picking on you, and last I checked we’re communicating in English here. Don’t take it personally; it’ll help both of us in the long run. Think of the mathematical equivalent: if I was trying to add 1 + 1 and getting 11, I’m sure you would be helping me correct my mistake.

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Mar 28, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

there is not

a proven better option behind brown, whether it be izzy or anderson.

i’ve heard a few beat writers saying that st. lou is waiting for someone else to set the market for Atogwe instead of doing it themselves. so, if the thought is this money will get you a safety don’t bet on it. also, its an uncapped year, browns salary shouldn’t matter unless you have a stud behind him. Anyone think that is the case?

by mike b on Mar 27, 2010 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

That's easy to say when it's not your money.....

But we still have holes to fill, and Brown isn’t elite. So why not trade him? He’s been consistent, sure enough. But consistently average, at best. I say lets’s take a chance. Are we satisfied with average at best? Cause if we are, then cool. But there are no guarantees, an waiting for one to come along won’t make Alex a better end.

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1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 28, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

No good replacements

Have come around. I would stick with an above average consistant player like Brown, rather than drop him, and make our defensive depth even shallower.

My emptiness says it doesn't care.

by Topher Doll on Mar 28, 2010 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

well

i don’t they’ll be tradign him now if the rumor is they’ll drop him anyway, not much point to trading for something you can jsut pick up. also, its not like they’re trading for a bette end, they’re roling with anderson.

by mike b on Mar 28, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Izzy/Anderson

might already be a better LE than Brown.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Mar 28, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

so could briggs.

al lot of things might be true. doesn’t mean you try every one of them.

by mike b on Mar 28, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

but there is a little basis to think this isn’t a terrible move. Brown is being replaced by one of the best REs in the game and he isn’t suited to the left side.

Izzy/Anderson won’t be a pro-bowl rotation, but Brown wouldn’t be either, and they save 5 mil and maybe pick up a draft pick by cutting him loose.

I like Brown. I’m sorry to see him go. But emotions aside, the move makes football sense,

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Mar 29, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

it makes football sense

in a cap year. not in an uncapped year when you most likely will not get a draft pick becuase it has become public you will release him if necessary. he’s no more ill suited for the left side than anderson or izzy are.

by mike b on Mar 29, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

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