The Bears Den: March 29, 2010
by Dane Noble on Mar 29, 2010 7:16 AM CDT
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...where we wonder who will show up for Day 1 of offseason workouts.
Multiple teams may have interest in veteran Alex Brown, per Pompei.
Might we end up giving up a draft pick to Seattle?
Vasher likely headed to San Diego to try and compete for a starting job there.
Lance Louis pleads guilty, gets community service. Kreutz LOL's.
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Lovie Smith sings praises of OL, especially Chris Williams. How confident are you?
Lovie also lauds Jay Cutler's toughness; with pic of what toughness may look like.
John Madden staying busy despite being "retired"; who would you like to see on a Madden cover?
In a story from last week, Mike Tice worked out a very tall offensive lineman.
In what is always a great read, USA Today releases their latest Team Report.
Cubbie baseball just got a bit duller, if you believe him.
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We're gonna draft a guard anyway...
So, might as well give a 4th to the Seahawks for their guard. That way we can’t really F it up.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Matter of fact... with our poor draft record...
The more picks we give up for quality young veterans, the better our draft will go.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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+1
Finally we agree on something! I don’t think it’s wise to trade our 3rd, but a 4th for Sims makes a ton of sense.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
really
shine in rounds 3-7
that hasn’t been true for years. and the genius traded the best all around 3-7 to pick up a washed up safety.
Shine nicley,is a little bit of a exaggeration but JA hasn't been terrible.
by I love football! on Mar 29, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
No... he's been terrible.
Out of the 58 players he’s selected in rounds 3-7…. only 7 of them can be considered legitimate NFL starters in this league: That’s 12%…
Alex Brown
Justin Gage
Lance Briggs (Pro-Bowler)
Nathan Vasher (Pro-Bowler)
Bernard Berrian
Chris Harris
Kyle Orton
2009 1 3 4 68 Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State
2 3 35 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma
3 4 5 105 Henry Melton DE Texas
4 4 19 119 D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt
5 5 4 140 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian
6 5 18 154 Marcus Freeman LB Ohio State
7 6 17 190 Al Afalava DB Oregon State
8 7 37 246 Lance Louis G San Diego State
9 7 42 251 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh
2008 1 1 14 14 Chris Williams T Vanderbilt
2 2 13 44 Matt Forte RB Tulane
3 3 7 70 Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt
4 3 27 90 Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas
5 4 21 120 Craig Steltz DB Louisiana State
6 5 7 142 Zack Bowman DB Nebraska
7 5 23 158 Kellen Davis TE Michigan State
8 7 1 208 Ervin Baldwin DE Michigan State
9 7 15 222 Chester Adams G Georgia
10 7 36 243 Joey LaRocque LB Oregon State
11 7 40 247 Kirk Barton T Ohio State
12 7 41 248 Marcus Monk WR Arkansas
2007 1 1 31 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami (FL)
2 2 30 62 Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan
3 3 30 93 Garrett Wolfe RB Northern Illinois
4 3 31 94 Michael Okwo LB Stanford
5 4 31 130 Josh Beekman G Boston College
6 5 30 167 Kevin Payne DB Louisiana-Monroe
7 5 31 168 Corey Graham DB New Hampshire
8 7 11 221 Trumaine McBride DB Mississippi
9 7 31 241 Aaron Brant T Iowa State
2006 1 2 10 42 Danieal Manning DB Abilene Christian
2 2 25 57 Devin Hester WR Miami (FL)
3 3 9 73 Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma
4 4 23 120 Jamar Williams LB Arizona State
5 5 27 159 Mark Anderson DE Alabama
6 6 26 195 J.D. Runnels RB Oklahoma
7 6 31 200 Tyler Reed G Penn State
2005 1 1 4 4 Cedric Benson RB Texas
2 2 7 39 Mark Bradley WR Oklahoma
3 4 5 106 Kyle Orton QB Purdue
4 5 4 140 Airese Currie WR Clemson
5 6 7 181 Chris Harris DB Louisiana-Monroe
6 7 6 220 Rodriques Wilson DB South Carolina
2004 1 1 14 14 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma
2 2 15 47 Tank Johnson DT Washington
3 3 15 78 Bernard Berrian WR Fresno State
4 4 14 110 Nathan Vasher DB Texas
5 4 16 112 Leon Joe LB Maryland
6 5 15 147 Claude Harriott DE Pittsburgh
7 5 16 148 Craig Krenzel QB Ohio State
8 7 14 215 Alfonso Marshall DB Miami (FL)
2003 1 1 14 14 Michael Haynes DE Penn State
2 1 22 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida
3 2 3 35 Charles Tillman DB Louisiana-Lafayette
4 3 4 68 Lance Briggs LB Arizona
5 4 3 100 Todd Johnson DB Florida
6 4 19 116 Ian Scott DT Florida
7 5 4 139 Bobby Wade WR Arizona
8 5 8 143 Justin Gage WR Missouri
9 5 36 171 Tron Lafavor DT Florida
10 6 18 191 Joe Odom LB Purdue
11 6 33 206 Brock Forsey RB Boise State
12 7 47 261 Bryan Anderson G Pittsburgh
2002 1 1 29 29 Marc Colombo T Boston College
2 3 7 72 Roosevelt Williams DB Tuskegee
3 3 28 93 Terrence Metcalf G Mississippi
4 4 6 104 Alex Brown DE Florida
5 5 5 140 Bobby Gray DB Louisiana Tech
6 5 30 165 Bryan Knight LB Pittsburgh
7 6 27 199 Adrian Peterson RB Georgia Southern
8 6 31 203 Jamin Elliott WR Delaware
9 6 38 210 Bryan Fletcher TE UCLA
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Sims would be a good pick up for a 4th
At least get a guy you know can play in the NFL
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 29, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah...
I agree, his only real knock is some persistant ankle injuries, but he played the vast majority of games last year, and played well.
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by Jacob Hayes on Mar 29, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd be OK w/ aquiring Sims
Sounds like it might be a little tougher to move Brown though w/ his $5 mil salary this season.
"Dick Butkus once tackled the Packers."
"Dick Butkus played all 11 defensive positions...at the same time."
"Dick Butkus once sacked a quarterback simply by looking at him."
by Sam Householder on Mar 29, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
Only way we can trade him is if...
2 or 3 teams legitimately want him, and one of those teams doesn’t want to risk losing him to another team if they wait until we release him.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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This whole Alex Brown thing is stupid
What in the heck is wrong with the Bears brass??
Alex Brown has been the most consistent Bears player behind Briggs since he joined the team. He’s not a flashy 12 sack guy, but he gets the job done. He can rush the passer and he plays the run really well and he’s better than Mark Anderson. This is mindblowingly stupid.
The only thing that makes this possibility worse, is how the Bears are handling it. They’re trying to see if they can package Brown in a trade to fill a greater need. OK. That is the only part if this that I can accept. The problem is, the Genius’ running the show have announced that if they can’t trade him, they’re going to release him. If I’m interested in getting Alex Brown but don’t want to give up anything to get him, why in the world would I engage the Bears in a deal, when I could just wait to pick him up off waivers?
They basically just destroyed his trade value to them. Stupid.
See what SackMan said literally right above this.
Your best bet is the team that values him enough to trade, because they don’t want to risk losing him.
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
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I'm with ya
But by saying they’ll potentially release him if a deal can’t get struck, all you’re doing is devaluing him. It’s like having a garage sale and telling everyone that comes that all the stuff will be in the trash tomorrow if no one buys it.
Sure, he’s a good enough player for a team to make a trade despite the idiotic announcement- which begs the question- WHY PART WAYS IN THE FIRST PLACE- but it’s never a good idea to tell everyone your intentions.
6 sacks with zero FFs
That’s roughly 916k per sack. I think the Bears can definitely find that production between Izzy and Anderson.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
When is the
last time Mark Anderson hit the QB, or stopped the run.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Mar 29, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Um, Week 16 and Week 17
He got one sack each week. And wasn’t taking every snap.
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
Writer at windycitygridiron.com -/-I http://www.twitter.com/kdoggers
Mr. Anderson
He had a +1.2 rating against the run. In addition, he had 19 stops- tackles which constitute an offensive failure.
Against the pass he had 3 sacks, 17 pressures, and had 5 QB hits. His numbers with the same amount snaps as Brown will mirror his overall production (not too far off now).
Thus, no real difference between him and Brown. Well, maybe a downgrade vs. the run, but not significant enough to upgrade the pass-rush.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Sacks arent everything
Im pretty sure the Bears will replace the 6 sacks. But the leadership and run stopping will be tougher
Leadership
I think they have enough with Urlacher, Briggs, Peppers, and Tillman to go around. It’s completely an overrated attribute similar to chemistry.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
You forgot fire
and passion.
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
Writer at windycitygridiron.com -/-I http://www.twitter.com/kdoggers
ability matters more
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 29, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
I was using sarcasm. I meant that fire, and passion, along with chemistry and leadership, are sometimes overrated.
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
Writer at windycitygridiron.com -/-I http://www.twitter.com/kdoggers
Yes
How silly of me to omit those very crucial aspects for a NFLers success! For head coaches it’s even more integral for their ascension up the ranks.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
leadership and urlacher?
not sure those go together.
i wouldn’t pile leadership with chemistry in the overrated department.
I wouldn't call him
a traditional type of leader, but I’ve seen him on the sidelines and in the huddle guiding teammates to their responsibilities. A leader usually calls out the plays, relays the call/information to the unit, and makes adjustment audibles at the LOS. What else don’t you think would be considered leadership?
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
yep, he calls the plays.
i don’t think he motivates anyone to give their best or work harder. that was mike brown. and from what beat writers say, also alex brown. just because they’re pros doesn’t mean they try as hard as the can all the time.
Making the headlines
i don’t think he motivates anyone to give their best or work harder.
I don’t think any fan, nor many reporters see everything that happens behind closed doors. I highly doubt Lach strictly calls plays, aligns players, and that’s it. There’s leading by example as well; conduct yourself as a professional, hold yourself accountable, etc.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
i'm not going off my impressions
going off the ebat writers and the guys that actually go in the lcoker room, practice. the impression given is that urlacher isn’t exactly a leader of men.
I'll give you something
He’s definitely not a vocal leader, but there’s more than one way to skin a cat. Leadership qualities come in more forms than just yelling/screaming at your teammates.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Idonije and Anderson will contribute more
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 29, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Brown is pretty good against the run which
is something i still haven’t seen from MA.
He cannot rush the passer is at best average against the run
If he could rush the passer, they would not have broken the bank to but Peppers.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 29, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahhhh it's always nice to have a good cup of Bears Den in the morning.......
The Sims trade makes complete sense.Seattle drafted Sims in the 4th round and that’s what they would be getting in return.We need a LG and the young veteran would fit the bill very nicely.
by I love football! on Mar 29, 2010 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
Alex brown is avg at best
I love the guy but we could do better. I think it’s smart too let him go. If we can get something for him great. If not that’s 5 million reasons a fa saftey comes to the windy city. Good riddance. We complain all of the time about our players and then p!?$ and moan when we get rid of them makes about as much sense as limiting hesters pr/kr.
by Papabear777 on Mar 29, 2010 2:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
And complain how overrated, old, overpaid, and no longer productive they are.
Moving Brown is simple business- upgrade at each position when the opportunity presents itself. I believe they’ll be doing that with the combo of Anderson/Idonije, and the insertion of young-blood players like Melton/Gilbert.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Agreed.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 29, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
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