Olsen Unhappy with the Hiring of Martz
by bs1220 on Mar 3, 2010 9:19 AM CST
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Well, here we go. Olsen wants out. He's got a ton of talent and will flourish on most every team out there...just not this one. So what if we did trade him? Particularly to the Patriots or Cardinals, like the article suggested.
Could we get Boldin? Could we get Moss? Both are in the last year (years maybe) of their contract and the Bears seem to have a bit of cash to work with to sign them to an extension.
Admittedly, I don't know very much about making trades plausible. I'm much more fan than expert. So for you who know more than me, what are your thoughts?
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Foxtrot
I think we should just dump all our first round talent, and then pick up the left over, twilight of their career guys, and over pay them all, just because they wanna work with Martz
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
Olsen does have good potential but
If he thinks that he has done enough on the field to complain about the hiring of a coordinator and demand a trade then by all means trade his ass. The guy plays soft, plain and simple. He’s made some great catches and is good at making space, when not double teamed, but by no means is he such an asset that the Bears need to do anything personnel wise to satisfy him.
If the Bears decide to keep Olsen then I wouldn’t be opposed to using him more as a WR this season then a TE. The guy can’t block, like most of us have discussed, so let him catch some passes as a Matt Jones-eque receiver. I’d be all for trading him to Arizona for Boldin if we could get the deal done but that might be a little lopsided. Trading him to the Patriots for Moss seems like a mistake. At least Boldin is still decently young and plays with passion while Moss is over the hill and definitely is a premadonna, quitting on plays and such.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 3, 2010 9:47 AM CST reply actions
you have to trade for someone equally valuable
younger, talented, upswing, some negatives. and i really think trading olsen for boldin would be blowing a trade. getting rid of him for a draft pick or a solid…SOLID role player, might be worth it
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Mar 3, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
I generally agree about the like for like trade...
but since Olsen’s value is more about potential and not production, the Bears are going to be hard pressed to get much better than a 3rd rounder or MAYBE a conditional pick in the 2nd round. Whereas Boldin is probably a more equal trade than it would appear. Effectively the Bears would be trading a guy who can catch over the middle as a TE for a guy who can catch over the middle at WR. Basically, the age thing is about the only real difference, but I see Boldin as having a few more miles than his 30 year old body really is. Since the Bears have a ton of young/fast WRs, Boldin may not be a bad fit. Boldin is smart and tough and would be a great mentor and still provide a legitimate threat at WR. The Martz offense is probably not the best place for Olsen, but who knows.
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Equally valuable?
Sounds like you want a guy just as young and as unproven as Olsen is in return. Boldin is a solid role player. I am not sold on the draft pick for Olsen, maybe if it’s a 2nd, because I don’t trust Angelo to make the right decision regarding whatever draft pick we might get for him. It would be better to make him the part of a player trade to me then to get a pick for him.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 3, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I just dont honestly believe
Bolding catapults this team any higher than it is with Olsen.
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Mar 3, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Boldin...sigh
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Mar 3, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Butting in
I’ve been screaming for Boldin for 2 years!!!
In a second, I’ll take Boldin over Olsen.
He makes tougher catches. He’s fearless coming across the middle (even after shattering his face). And I believe him to be the kinda guy that elevates the play of his teammates. Btw, Boldin is probably a better blocker too!
Elevates the play of his teammates?
Maybe when he’s off the field. Remember this gem?
The Cardinals are 6-1 without Boldin the last two seasons.
All kidding aside, though, I do really like the guy.
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seriously now
if we could get Gaines back, or that big tight end from San Diego, why wouldn’t you just keep Olsen… the fact that Boldin is worth around a 3rd these days, selling Olsen down the river seems like overkill for Boldin.
I’m still saying the QB makes the WR, just ask Eddy Royal about his season with Orton.
If you traded Boldin for Olsen on last years squad, I just don’t see us finishing better than 7-9
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Mar 3, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
What does getting Gaines back or Manumaleuna
have to do with keeping Olsen? If we get Manu then more than likely Olsen will be traded. If Olsen is going to get playing time this season and he can’t make the blocks thus getting Jay killed is it worth it to keep him around anyway? I like Olsen and would want him to stay but I’d take Boldin over Olsen for sure. We could really use a veteran WR who still has good years ahead of him. If Olsen does stay, like I said before, I’d like to see him used more as a WR than TE.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 3, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
I would have a tough time arguing that
If you traded Boldin for Olsen on last years squad, I just don’t see us finishing better than 7-9
I just have always liked Boldin, in almost everything he’s done on the field, I’ve been impressed.
Fair enough
I also enjoy Boldin, for though, not for Olsen, but I can certainly see why you or anyone else would
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by BearNecessities on Mar 4, 2010 6:30 AM CST up reply actions
Olsen for Boldin?
absolutely. There is no role for Olsen in the new offense (a fact that Olsen himself appears to understand) whereas Boldin would be an instant contributor.
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 3, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
+1
I love Olsen, but he hasn’t shown to be a complete TE yet. If he wants to complain, fine. Trading straight up for Boldin would be great; I think it makes sense for both teams cause Boldin is always an injury concern, while Olsen is still pretty young. I think those two things cancel each other out and makes it an even deal.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
That is exactly what we need.
An injury prone WR in the twilight of his career.
I would rather see...
them use him in a FA deal, not the draft. At least we would know who we were getting that way. JA scares the hell out of me when it comes to drafting. I hope thats the way they go if he wants out. I do have to say, the player who replaced Anquan Boldin for the playoffs was really good. I know that the AB trade has been in the works for some time… I am just saying, the kid who replaced him looked damn good.
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hmmm
well so what. he isnt happy because he knows his play time will be cut and his production wont be what it would be if we had a different OC. it means less money for him in the future. I dont like martz-so why dont you trade me as a fan to another team. big deal. 2nd rounder? hahaha you may get a 3rd. and trade for Bolin? HAHA it would take Olsen and a early no.2 or late 1st to get him. Olsen is a good TE in my books and if JA wants to bet the farm on martz getting crap turned around with some old TE that can block instead of young talent that he drafted. he can kiss his job goodbye when/if the season tanks. With some solid drafting (a big what if) and a solid season he could get kept around if we fire the coaching staff next year.
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Not Really
Boldin’s stock has dropped for Arz. and sources are saying that Arz can get at best a 3rd rounder for Boldin and I know Olsen better than 3rd round pick. so it may happen
Let's look at this realistically
Olsen is one of our top offensive prospects, and we’re going to negate his abilities so the team can fit into the system of an offensive coordinator who has at best a year or two of coaching? Come on. Olsen fits more realistically into the Bears’ long-term plans than Martz, and trading him would be a mistake for this team. He’ll be here after Angelo retires/is fired and Lovie is canned, so hopefully they don’t try to mortgage a player that should be here for the long-haul in exchange for short term success in a Mike Martz system.
So far, Martz has targeted Olsen for his blocking (which he did barely any of at while playing for Miami), and Martz has indicated he wants a blocking TE like Brandon Manumaleuna in his offense. This was bound to happen the moment they fired Ron Turner, because Lovie’s status as a lame duck coach left only one realistic offensive coordinator candidate who doesn’t have a history of using pass-catching Tight Ends. Hopefully the Bears will focus on the long-term consequences of this rather than what they perceive as short-term success.
Unless Lovie truly believes
that one mildly successful season will be enough to renew a contract. which i hope it wouldnt
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what make them the biggest guys on the field." -Madden
by BearNecessities on Mar 3, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
In this offense Olsen does not have to play tightend per say
As mentioned with his athletic ability and great size he can easily be split out and cause mismatches
He can run by most linebackers, get off jams on corners and make the tough catch
I cant see him putting his hand on the ground and blocking 100% percent of the time he has made good improvment on his blocks from his rookie year.
This would really suck to lose the biggest weapon on offense and the guy that led the team in catches in tds(most tds on the bears two years straight)
Possible teams?
Patriots- they own every second round pick in the draft i beleive he would flourish with brady
Bengals- Tightend is what they are really missing on offense and instead of drafting one with injury issues why not nab olsen for a 2nd?
the last thing i want to see
is another former bear in a damn bengal outfit. i hope ced gets arrested again soon.
Bear down Chicago
A moment of clarity.....
I’m a little confused, I guess.
Let me first state my position. I like Greg Olsen and I think that the team benefits from having him. I also think that his blocking needs to improve more, and that he hasn’t yet reached his potential. But I also think that those who are complaining the loudest about him fail to realize that he was a large part of the successful development of the young receiving corps last season. He drew double coverage away from Devin Hester, Earl Bennett, Johnny Knox and DA. His numbers suffered because of that, and few of these detractors, if any, want to acknowledge either his performance in those doubles, or the effect it had on the rest of the receivers.
Now, I find two things a bit odd about this thread. First is the silly notion that somehow Olsen is a bad guy for requesting a trade. Second is the level of compensation that many here seem to think he is worth.
On the trade request issue, Olsen should absolutely be requesting a trade. I would if I was him, and anyone who honestly considers the situation and says they wouldn’t request the trade is either a poor businessman, or dishonest.
Exhibit A: Martz system has little to know proven value for a receiving tight end. Many have made this case since Martz was hired. So with so many amateur GMs on this site alone believing that to be the case, why wouldn’t Olsen (or Devil-Spawn Drew) see the same problem?
Exhibit B: Greg Olsen still has trade value. Right now, even though many fans and media types are to short sighted to see what Olsen accomplished this season, NFL pro personnel directors are not. Olsen has elite receiving potential from the tight end position, and many teams in the league have little to no concern about a receiving TEs blocking ability (See SD, NE, IND, NO, PHI, GB, MIN, etc…) when the roster can accommodate multiple TEs with multiple styles, just as the RB and WR positions do.
Exhibit C: Greg Olsen is in a no-win situation in Chicago. Face it. Greg, from this point on, cannot make the fans or the media happy in Chicago. The hiring of Mike Martz set Greg up for failure. Olsen was not drafted to block. No TE has even been drafted in the first round because of his blocking ability. Guards don’t even get drafted in the first round, usually. Olsen was drafted to be a receiving threat. In Martz’s system, as many have pointed out, TE’s get fewer than 30 receptions a year. So Olsen will never reach his potential in Chicago with Martz at the helm, no matter what he does. Plenty in the fan base and the media are already attacking his production now, when he is a top 10 producer. How much will that rise when he brings in 30 receptions for 350 yards? Additionally, his value to other teams drops with reduced production, so after a 30/350 year in Chicago, he has a far less likely chance of getting paid well in 2011, after the Bears decide that his contract is too large for a 30 catch TE who’s a below average blocker. The situation is no-win in Chicago for Olsen, if Martz isn’t planning on using him as a 50+ catch receiver, and based on story, that’s not likely. Right now becomes the time to leave, while his stock is still high. And that benefits the Bears, as well.
So claiming that Olsen is somehow traitorous or wrong for seeing the same things that many have seen here on this very site is just silly. Who here will admit to wanting to stay in a job that gets cut from full time to part time, knowing that it will result in your paycheck being diminished as well?
As to the idea that Olsen is somehow losing value, well, as I pointed out above, pro player personnel guys will see exactly what is there, as did Jerry Angelo. The question comes down to how badly the team in question needs a receiving threat across the middle that most DCs that faced the bears felt merited double coverage over Knox, Hester, Bennett and DA, and how shrewd Angelo is. Can a 2nd round pick be had for Olsen? Yep. But will JA get it? That’s another question entirely. But have no doubts about it. Teams like New England saw how having Olsen on the field helped the receiving group. They also saw the catches in double coverage. And they understand that Olsen could do the same things and more for their club.
All of that being said, I’m all for the trade if it brings us some value, especially in the form of a player as opposed to a pick. See my tag line if you don’t understand why………
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 3, 2010 12:35 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
+1
I hate to say it, but I agree with your assessment. I think the big worry with folks is that he’ll be another ex-Bear that goes and burns us and makes the franchise look foolish, again.
But really, isn’t the biggest thing when operating a franchise to do what’s best for the franchise – i.e., do what it takes to put a better winning product on the field? To that end you can’t worry about what they do for another team if they haven’t or won’t do it for your team, be it system, effort, et cetera.
Personally, I wouldn’t do it because I think he has a tremendous receiving skill-set that just hasn’t been fully utilized, and I wouldn’t mind seeing another target taking away his double coverages, because then we’d really see him blossom. But trading him does make sense.
by Steven Schweickert on Mar 3, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I agree....
as long as he doesn’t end up in the NFC north, AND it benefits the team. I’m all for a trade. But if either of those stipulations aren’t met, it’s a ludicrous proposition.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 3, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Totally agree.
I miss the logic in trading a former 1st rounder for a 2nd rounder or something less unless it REALLY benefits the team. The recent history of 1st round failures (or “give ups”) of this team is astonishing.
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Yep..agreed as well.
Nice assesment T-Train. I do like Olsen a lot even if he hasn’t met the expectations I have placed on him. Hell, maybe my expectations were too high. I think Olsen for Boldin would be a great trade with the situation what it is right now. I don’t know if Arizona would do that, but I would truly be happy if they did.
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All i know...
is this is just another example of how terrible our coaching and front office staff truly is.
Also,
next year when this team fails and the entire staff is fired we can begin our look for a new pass catching TE that will fit the new coaches west coast offense(because that is what Cutler has always been in and is the most comfortable with).
Ding ding ding
we got a winner. I have been saying this since the Marz / Olsen thing started.
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I really hope we don't lose Olsen.
He’s a great player, both on and off the field, and I feel that he could be really beneficial if given the room to grow. He might not be the exact fit to our scheme, but the coach’s job is to adapt it to fit our players. I think it would be a huge loss if we lose him, and will be kicking ourselves down the road.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
Off the field
he tweets what bars he is going to be at on any certain night or what country music concert he is going to and then seems to play half-assed on the field. I like his potential but if this rumor is true and he is complaining then let him go, he hasn’t proven himself to be that much of a reliable weapon that we should allow him to run his mouth and demand a trade.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 3, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously?
I agree that Olsen is talented but complaining and whining to get traded shows his character. He hasn’t done a damn thing in this league yet he acts as if he’s a perennial pro-bowler future hall of famer. If he wants to be a whiner when things don’t go his way then trade him. you don’t need another me-guy in the locker room. and if the Bears do want another on, then see if they can finagle a trade with the Broncos for Marshall. if not get some picks for him
no....
he acted like a guy who knows he doesn’t have a place in the new offense. Would you stay at a job that cut you to part time and you knew would seriously limit the amount of money that you would make in the future? I wouldn’t……..people need to start understanding that players have to see their jobs the same way we do.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 3, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
True but
a real gamer fights for his job instead of whining. He hasn’t shown Martz what he can do and he’s already wanting out. If he’s that good then he’ll back it up with play on the field and not with complaints. I understand he’s upset but he hasn’t shown a damn thing besides potential on the field to merit complaining about potentially not having a big part in the offense. And let’s not forget that he was given Dez Clark’s job based on potential. He didn’t earn it and yet Dez was a pro about it and didn’t whine or complain or ask for a trade.
by frenchbears113 on Mar 3, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
We're kinda on the ...
….. same page with this one . Olsen realizes all he has to do is get better at his trade to survive in this system and instead he gets Rosenblast to start trade rumors . So he wants out because hes admitting he can’t block ? Dosen’t that hurt his trade value ? Doesn’t that say to other teams " Hey I don’t want to work on anything I don’t have . " ? I like Olsen but he needs to shut his mouth and start learning how to block period .
Heres my idea …… Cut Dez Clark to make room for Manu Manu the Slender and let Olsen be a reciveing tight end like he wants . Kellen can be our third and learn from them both . Hows that sound ? Hope Olsen likes them apples !!!
by MidWayMonster54 on Mar 3, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree.....
What Olsen lokely sees is even if he becomes the best blocker in the game, his production will probably decline. Remember that Martz is known first and foremost for being stubborn. In addition, the rumors are circulating about Martz wanting Manu-however-you-spell-it.
I see Olsen looking out for his future on this one, and I can’t blame him. If Martz decides that he doesn’t want to change his system to fit a pass catching TE, then Olsen’s numbers decline regardless of whether he improves as a blocker or a receiver. Olsen then loses value when, as some suggest, the Bears shop him next year if he doesn’t work out in the system.
For all of what people keep saying about not proving himself, the guy is a top 10 TE in the league, and one of the only top ten players at his position on our team. What will he be worth next year if Martz holds form and Olsen ends up with 30 catches for 350 yards and 4 TDs, even if he has proven he can block? Now he’s a average to below average TE. And he has reason to be concerned.
In Martz 10 years running an offense as either the OC or Head coach, his #1 TE has averaged 23 catches for 264 yards and 2.5 TDs. So, given that many of us believe that Olsen is special, what does a special TE bring to the table? Is a 50 % increase over previous players production special? Is doubling previous players production in a system special?
I’d say every coach in the league would be happy to pick up a player that could increase a positions production by 25%. But for Olsen, that’s only 29 catches for 330 yards and 3 TDs. And there his value, right down the tubes.
But Olsen is special, so 50% more on the average production isn’t to much to ask. Of course that only comes out to 35 recs for 396 yds and 4 tds.
Even if Martz changes things up to better suit his talent, can we assume that the #1 TE production will do anything more than double? That’s still onnly 43 recs for 528 yards and 5 TDs. That’s still a step back for Olsen, who has averaged 53 recs 593 yards and 6.5 TDs in the two years that he was the go-to TE. But even in his first season and he was second fiddle to Des Clark, he pulled in 39 rec for 391 yards and 2 TDs.
As it stands right now, Olsen’s starting production is 238% of the average of a #1 TE in the previous 10 seasons that Martz controlled an offense.
Let me ask all of you, would you wager millions of your dollars on whether or not Mike Martz, who is reknowned for his stubbornness, will alter his system so much that he would make the TE the top receiving target and increase the TE position’s role by more than 250% (assuming that we all want to see Olsen’s stats improve)?
Because that is exactly what all of you, who are calling what Olsen is doing whining, are expecting that he should just do without concern for himself.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 4, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
it's not a game
it’s his Job. and he is going to do whatever he needs to do whats best for him.
if that means getting traded to a different team inorder to increse his skills, then he will do it. he gets paid to make plays, he doesn’t get paid to block.
He will get traded to a team who sees true talent and can utilize such a great passing threat like Olsen.
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
But he still .....
…… needs to develope into a solid player and this is not a good sign for him . All he needs to do is develope his blocking skills not turn into a blocker . If he just gets a little better with his blocking he’ll be fine . His pass catching is great but to become a Tony Gonzalez type he has to get better at blocking . And last I checked TE’s get paid to catch passes AND block . He gets paid to do his job and his job description includes blocking every now and then .
by MidWayMonster54 on Mar 4, 2010 1:09 AM CST up reply actions
Solid player?
So, being a top ten producer, while being a higher rated run blocker than Vernon Davis, Visante Shiancoe, Antonio Gates, Brent Celek, Jeremy Shockey, Fred Davis, Owen Danials, Jermichael Finley, Donald Lee, Chris Cooley, Kellen Winslow, Jerramy Stevens, Zach Miller and Tony Scheffler, among others is not enough to prove he has developed into a solid player?
Expecting him to be Tony Gonzalez is just silly. Gonzalez is the only player I can think of that I would mention in the same breath as Mike Ditka and Kellen Winslow Sr.
Olsen was drafted to receive, but true enough, blocking is part of his job, as well. If it were the most important part, he would have been let go, instead of John Gilmore, who is ranked as one of the best blocking TE’s in the league. But I digress. The point is that Olsen is expected to block, especially in running situations. And he did it better than all of the players listed above. The league has three types of TEs. Receiving, blocking and Tony Gonzalez (actually Jason Witten fits in there, too, but you get the point). Ignoring the fact that the most successful offenses in the league employ receiving TE’s that have questionable blocking skills is detrimental to the team.
Indy, NE (Ben Watson ranks just a few spots higher than Olsen), San Diego, New Orleans, Green Bay, Philly, Minnesota and Houston all employ Receiving TE’s who ranked lower (or in Ben Watson’s case, only slightly higher) than Olsen in run blocking.
Face it. Gonzalez is a dying breed. And Olsen is a lot better than people are rationalizing here.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 4, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
No one's arguing that
but he needs to realize that while he doesn’t need to be the best blocker on the line that it is still an integral part to a Tight Ends job. He has proven that so far in his career that he’s a below average blocker. If all he wants to do is catch balls and block less then he should’ve been a receiver.
by frenchbears113 on Mar 4, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
So you feel that....
same thing about the TEs listed above? I know that in Chicago we hate to have things evolve. But the reality of the situation is all of the top TEs fit into the same catagory as Olsen, and most are worst blockers. The only ones who don’t fit that bill are Gonzalez and Witten. And as I said before, they are a dying breed. If we spend all of our time trying to find Jason Witten and Tony Gonzalez, at the cost of the Greg Olsen’s, Antonio Gates’, Brent Celek’s, Vernon Davis’ and Jeremy Shockey’s (etc, etc, etc) then Chicago will deserve what they get.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 4, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
No but
They are all better blockers then you seem to be giving them credit for. Olsen is a piss poor blocker and he doesnt get great yards after a catch. These other TE’s do. Im just saying that if he’s so pissy about blocking more then he normally wants to, he should be a receiver. Hell this team made corner’s into receivers so why not make a guy with the same skill set as a receiver a receiver? He has the speed and the size to be a good WR. That’s what I’m saying in regards to his blocking. But even as a receiving and “new-breed” TE he should shut his mouth and play and prove that he is what everyone hopes he can be. Im not saying he’s terrible or anything but be a damn team player and show people what you can do. There’s enough ego in that locker room from guys who have been Pro-Bowlers. The last thing this team needs is an unfulfilled talent running his mouth about his position on the team before he’s done anything noteworthy in his career. He can make it in the system. He just needs to work at it. That is the main point of my argument.
by frenchbears113 on Mar 4, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
They were all rated lower......
then Greg Olsen in run blocking, which is what we are talking about since more than 90% of their blocking assignments come on running plays.
Based on the issues most fans seem to have with Olsen, then they definitely wouldn’t want any of the TEs on the list above.
As far as keeping his mouth shut, Olsen has been reported as having asked his agent to quietly seek a trade. He hasn’t come out and bashed the team. It wasn’t him who said publicly that he had a problem with Martz, and he himself has done nothing but seek the trade that could make a difference of tens of millions of dollars over his career.
I have repeatedly asked the same question, and none of these “shut his mouth” types have answered it. I’ll ask once again…..
Let me ask all of you, would you wager millions of your dollars on whether or not Mike Martz, who is reknowned for his stubbornness, will alter his system so much that he would make the TE the top receiving target and increase the TE position’s role by more than 250% (assuming that we all want to see Olsen’s stats improve)?
Because that is exactly what all of you, who are calling what Olsen is doing whining, are expecting that he should just do without concern for himself.
Is there anyone here, who thinks that Olsen is betraying his team or even whining by “quietly” seeking a trade, that would be willing to make that wager if it was their future and their bank accounts that we were debating here so aloofly?
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 4, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Bears are signing Manumaleuna
so the possibility of trading the underwhelming Olsen is looking more likely
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 5, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
OK, I was wondering what NE would offer...
us for Olsen. I just read what we would most likely get from them. I forgot that they have three second rounder picks. I don’t like this idea at all right now. I would rather trade Arizona straight up… Olsen for Boldin. When people were talking about trading Olsen to possibly NE, I automatically thought of Logan Mankins. Some kind of deal with both of them involved..I would be happy with that.
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