Top Bears Targets - And why we may be better off missing on Rolle.
This is without a doubt one of the first years I can remember us being super active in free agency. We've been connected with no less than six players, have signed three, and may not be done yet. Free Agency is the life blood of a team that doesn't have any first day picks, and has holes to fill, but as we've all seen with the Washington Redskins free agency isn't a cure all, and still requires just as much talent evaluation as the draft. Big names don't always equate to big production, and good fits aren't always the right fit for you. Let's take a quick look together at why Antrel Rolle might not be the best for us, and who could be much better.
Antrel Rolle
- Struggles in coverage at times
- Doesn't have the ability to keep up with the fastest receivers in the league, which is why he no longer plays CB.
- Turned down a contract that reportedly was to pay him 33 mil over 6 years, meaning that he's looking for at least 6 mil a year + signing bonus as the absolute rock bottom price, with his current asking price sitting around 8 million.
- There is a distinct undercurrent in the league that he is somewhat the beneficiary of playing in a good secondary and would be further exposed if placed in one with some issues.
Now we have a few other options available to us right now, which is great since it appears everyone is balking at the 8 million price tag. There are a few other options that are either on the market right now, or could be on the market shortly.
Darren Sharper
- Age is the primary concern with Sharper, coming it at 34 he likely only has a year or two of play at a high level left in him barring injury.
- Extremely smart player, which is more important in the Bears defense than some others.
- His high intelligence combined with being a complete player and veteran experience means some physical drop off will be recoverable by sheer guile and knowing where he needs to be.
- His price tag is likely going to come in right around 12 or 13 million, with a front loaded bonus.
- Because of his age, the Bears would still need to go after a FS in the draft to groom for the future.
O.J. Atogwe
- The Rams have basically disrespected this guy in every way possible over the last two years, and have done again by giving him an absolutely awful tender offer.
- The biggest downside with Atogwe is that he is coming off of an injury last year, but all reports say he is going to be in perfect health by the start of training camp.
- While the Rams have the ability to match any offer we make, they are unlikely to match a high-end long term deal, as they wanted to avoid paying him in the first place which is why they didn't give him a higher tender. This isn't even getting into poison pill type scenarios.
- Without a shadow of a doubt, this guy is the best fit for our team where it's at now. He was basically the only person of note on the entire Rams defense, and their absolute collapse once he went out just goes to show how good a player he actually is.
- This guy is almost the definition of what the Bears look for in a FS, he is a definitive ball hawker who led the NFC with 8 ints in 2008, and just has a knack for coming up with the ball.
There are also a few also rans such as Ryan Clark who may end up hitting the wider market if negotiations with the Steelers fall through.
My personal opinion is that if we're going to be offering any Safety eight million a year it should be Atogwe, to me he's the only one deserving of that level of money and the only player I'd feel comfortable with locking down at the FS position for four to five years with that kind of money attached. Rolle may end up improving, as people say he still has upside, but if I want a tall safety who used to play corner but was too slow to play CB at the NFL level I'll take Myron Lewis with a fourth round pick and save around 7.5mil that can go elsewhere.
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It's the lowest...
Where we don’t have to give up anything, they just get a shot to match.
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oh my god
how can we say no to that? OJ would become a stud on our defense! his balhawking would go great with Payne’s tackling in the open field. I say sign Atogwe asap as long as we dont give up any picks…
Well we'd have to offer significantly more than 1.2 million to get the Rams not to match
The reason they tendered him so low, was that if they’d tendered him any higher, he would’ve gotten 110% of his previous salary, which would’ve given him close to $7 million. So we know they’re willing to pay $1.2 million, and we know they’re unwilling to pay $7 million. Exactly how far they’re willing to match lies somewhere in between that very wide range, and it’s anyone’s guess.
The good thing is that we wouldn’t have to give up any draft picks, a rarity when dealing with RFAs.
Brad Miller is god.
I would honestly think
That Atogwe could help the Bears in many more ways than a pair of later round draft picks can.
Ever since reading what his situation was the other day...
this is by far the best way for us to go. I don’t know how crazy St. Louis is going to get with matching offers, but who knows, they have mismanaged the situation with him up to this point. Maybe we get him with a long term contract for a better deal than any of the other FS’s we were talking to, I sure hope so. No doubt in my mind, he would solitify our D as one of the best coming into next season. I truly feel,; the addition of him, would give us a dominate defense second to none as long as everyone stays healthy. knock on wood!!!
Walter Payton lives on!!!
The only way the Bears free agency haul comes up bust is if they think those 3 guys are the only moves they need to make. Hopefully, the Bears have learned from just bring in Cutler and mediocre guys on the line, then claim to have a better offense. Nevertheless, one linebackers and a 0-16 coach and believe the defense will be back to Super Bowl form.
After getting players like Taylor and Peppers, who were on my wish list all during last seasons. I would like for the Bears to shop for bargains and really comb the draft for quality players. But just Taylor, Peppers, and Manum is not enough to beat Vikings and Packers.
Vet Safety
Vet WR
Cut Vasher
Vet corner
We beat the Vikings last year...
without Peppers, Taylor, Manu, Urlacher, Tino, Tillman, Knox, etc, etc. And they had a lot more (homefield) to play for.
Also, our corners just got a ton better with the Peppers signing.
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"Also, our corners just got a ton better with the Peppers signing."
Totally agree. The defense left the corners out to dry too many times last year. Even the best corners can’t cover a NFL caliber WR forever. The addition of a pass rush makes everyone better, couple that with a healthy Urlacher and I smell super bowl!
by South Jersey Wedding Photographer on Mar 8, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
(pauses to affix target to chest)... What about the guys we have?
We can debate weather the bears Tampa 2 defense is officially outdated, but it will be the reality of our defense next year. The absolute key to this defense is a combination of 4 down lineman who can pressure the QB while stopping the run and a very athletic and fast middle linebacker that can help out the safeties by covering a third zone in the middle of the field. This leaves the secondary to focus, not so much on lock-down man coverage, but on CB’s forcing opposing receivers into the middle of the field where there is more support. This is why the injury to Urlacher, coupled with the missed expectations of the D-line last year were so imoprtant. In this system, the secondary doesn’t have to be fast – but they do have to be smart and physical.
So the point is that, at the very least, if we’re going to stick with the current scheme, the importance of fast, lock-down secondary players may be overstated. The best d-backs on the planet cannot overcome deficiencies in the front seven because it’s much harder to keep track of recievers for 5-10 seconds when you’re in a zone. I think that’s why JA and LS have put secondary as a second-tier need. If the front 7 do their job, we may not need as much help w/ the secondary as we think, and if they don’t it won’t matter anyway.
That said, I think Sharper would be my pick – he’s smart (e.g. Mike Brown) – and we need smart back there. But I’m not as down on the safeties we have as many are.
the 3 step drop has destroyed what you say
sure im all about pressure so its all good, but good QBs are getting the ball off in about 3 seconds. Our secondary sucks and is in desperate need of help.
Truth is Tillman isn't as good as people think
Great at stripping the ball, but not a shut down corner and not a run stopper. kinda slow. He is the best of a sorry bunch.
Agreed....
I LOVE Peanut for his TENACIOUS stripping of the BALL… but DAMN he’s always the one getting burned in the end!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Mar 5, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
He did get tore apart by Ocho Cinco last season..pissed me off.
With help, he will be better as well. Key there, With Help!!
Walter Payton lives on!!!
the tampa 2
Is designed to make any cornerback look much better than they truly are because it relies on the front 4 pass rush, the middle linebacker and the safeties. Outside linebackers and corners are easily the most replaceable players in a tampa 2 (which is why its hilarious we are paying tillman, vash and briggs so much money).
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 8:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
A cover-2 corner isn't supposed to be the prototypical shut down sort.
They are supposed to be big and physical so they can disrupt route running for a few seconds while the D Line gets to the QB. If the Q gets the ball to the reciever, then they are supposed to do what Tillman does best, create a turnover.
I think that Tillman has looked bad over the past few years because in order to compensate for an awful pass rush and bad safety play, our corners have had to sit back a few more yards than they did in 2005 and 2006, allowing easy underneath routes.
So not a cover corner by far, but a great guy to be in this system when its working right.
Glad someone else agrees with me ... someone I respect no less.
I said in an earlier post our secondary is crap. I stand by that.
We are C students at best in the secondary. Great coaching in this area would go a long way we do have some young talent, but we lack leadership. Sharper would be a good Band-Aid, but honestly I don’t know enough about Atowge to speak intelligently about his attributes.
Said it before, I’ll keep saying it…
BRING ME A HITTER!!! an ASSASSIN!! I want the receivers and TEs lining up while simultaneously soiling themselves at the thought of venturing into our secondary.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Mar 6, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
The 3 step drop isn't exactly a new tactic and, if anything, is likely one of the reasons the Cover 2 came back in vogue
More and more teams turned to the West Coast offense and its heavy use of the 3 step drop as a counter to pass rush dominant teams like the Bears, Saints, Giants, and Vikings in the mid to late 80s. The Cover 2 was useful as it kept everything in front of the defense while still providing an aggressive pass rush from the front four if the offense tried to set up for something deep. Nothing magically became wrong with the Cover 2 over the last 5 years other than that the teams that were known for it either were never talented enough to dominate (Colts), got old (Bucs), or were decimated by injuries and not really using the system all that much anymore anyways (Bears). With Peppers and a rejuvenated Harris (I don’t believe that’s actually the case), the Cover 2 would fit this team much better than the blitz heavy packages they’ve been throwing out there the last 2 seasons. Check the stats, the Bears blitzed more than most other teams the last 2 seasons.
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Hit the nail on the head
It’s not like the cover-2 is outdated, just ineffective like any scheme when the proper personnel isn’t in place. Look no further than the Colts and Vikes. They both run it, and have had success because they have dominant DE pass-rushers. Playmakers make plays, schemes are supposed to put them in the best position to succeed, not magically transform an average player to a superstar.
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by propheteer on Mar 6, 2010 11:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Peppers, DT, Harris, Brown or Brown, DT, Harris, Peppers
Either way has its advantages. There is no RT that block Peppers 1 on 1 when Peppers is playing at 100%. And only a few elite LTs can “contain” Peppers if he playing 100%. And by contain, I mean 1 sack, 1 FF, 1 PD, and 4-6 tackles. :-)
If you group, Harris and Peppers together and they are playing at 100%, you almost guarantee to commit the center, guard, and tackle to those two with at least a bump from the TE in passing plays. That creates 1 on 1 for the other DT and Brown and opens up that side for LB blitz (which I hope they do more often, even with an increase pass rush from the front 4).
hah
Considering peppers has never had more than, what, 52 tackles and 15 sacks in a year I think your per game projections are just a wee bit off.
The sad fact is peppers isn’t worth what we are paying for him, but the team is old and there’s minimal talent in the pipeline and no draft picks yet again coupled with a bad run of drafts that have led the bears into redskins territory of having to overpay to get guys and attempt the quick fix.
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 8:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was waiting for theyse types of comments.
People aren’t happy when the Bears are tight with money. Now we go out and land the biggest free agent this offseason to help our biggest need (the pass-rush), and all of a sudden I start hearing that he isn’t worth what we paid for him?
So the only way to make you happy is to get Peppers for an unrealistic discount? Just be happy today that for the second straight year, we went out and got the biggest difference maker available.
its the unrealistic expectations
That I find ridiculous. Your final sentence says it all. We got the biggest difference maker last year and how did that work out for us? I find the predictions of 15-20 sacks funny when he’s never done that before and defensive ends who have played every game for 8 straight seasons aren’t exactly known to get better, they get worse. I’m cautiously optimistic we get 2 good years out of peppers before he and the rest of the defense is too old to perform at a high level.
The bears seem to think that signing a big name free agent makes up for the fact that they haven’t drafted anyone to step in when urlacher, brown, tillman, kreutz and briggs can’t perform at the level they have for the past 5-7 years. All they’ve done is draft a bunch of guys who never project to be anything more than minor role players.
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Blue-chip DE
Tend to get better with age. I don’t really care how many sacks he records as long as the defense improves (within reason of course). Everyone only looks at the bottom line, but to me, if Harris, Brown and others benefit along the line then mission accomplished.
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by propheteer on Mar 6, 2010 11:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Imagine if....
TANk was still with us! Ain’t he available? lol
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Mar 5, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Move em around.
Different looks depending on down and distance. Mess with OC’s game planning.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I'd go for OJ
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
Poison Pill time
Hopefully Atogwe is ours.
by DaHamsta on Mar 5, 2010 7:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Nice summary of the issues with each. If we can get Atogwe by hook or by crook, I’ll be beaming from ear to ear.
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Agree on Atogwe
The need for a legit FS has been a real problem that can be addressed.
"I am not an animal!" - Merrick
i find it funny
That when we were rumored to be the favorites for rolle he was a bonafied stud safety worth 8 mil a year and would easily make our defense the best in the league. Now that we can’t get him, he’s got holes the size of the grand canyon in his game?
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 8:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I was never a huge fan of Rolle...
And the fact he’s wanting 8 million a year is the reason he isn’t signed already.
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the 8 mil asking pricê
Isn’t going to be an obstacle because multiple teams are bidding on him. The phins or giants will lock him up at 8 mil per yr he’s just making them sweat each other to get the max deal.
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of the Giants
You think Perry Fewell’s kind of regreting the decision he’s made?
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Mar 5, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Man, I miss NFL 2K5
On a seperate note I kind of agree with your post. However, I would’ve been dissapointed if we only picked up Peppers and BM…but the fact that we landed a Marshall Faulk clone in Chester Taylor makes me satisfied with today…I mean this guy is/was an outstanding RB despite limited playing time at Minn.
Hate to say this…but we might have to depend on the draft and a veteran FS like Sharper to help us this year. Wait a minute I don’t hate saying that…I love for the Bears to pick up Sharper.
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Mar 5, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
RIP
I’ve got to wait 3 more years for the CHANCE that EA loses their lock on the NFL. Oh…and Tecmo forever.
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Mar 5, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Does anyone else....
Have a hard time choosing ANY other team but the Bears when you play? LOL… Unless it was a demo or something, if I could shoose the Bears, I HAVE!
GO BEARS!!!!
by ChiTownSounds on Mar 5, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
I have never played
as any other team. It physically hurts. Well maybe not that bad but.. I also have a hard time switching players out. Like switching A Brown for someone rated higher. Hurts my stats but i can’t do it.
by GtM on Mar 5, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Now it's up to Chester Taylor
to do that against the Vikings, Packers, etc.
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Mar 5, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
If he did that
i would find him and carry him so he would never have to walk. To the Store, to the car, to the bathroom. everywhere
by GtM on Mar 5, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
nfl 2k was terrible
Go put it on the hardest difficulty, be the chargers, run a toss play to LT and tap A like a maniac. I’ve run for 1000 yards in a 7 minute quarter game before.
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 8:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Isnt madden
the birth place of the Sweep left then run right for a TD?
by GtM on Mar 5, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
lol yes
They’ve fixed that. My favorite ever was in 06 you could drop back and chuck a bomb to a guy being 1 on 1 covered, switch to the receiver and slow up so the defender would be rubbing up on you, and then hold the turbo in and pull away and get a wide open td catch. I used to kill people with that move.
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 8:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's all a matter of opinion
But I’d I think you’d share the notion that having the NFL tied to ONE video game company hurts the product overall. If I hear Good Charlette on another licensed Madden track I’m going to commit Japanese ritual suicide.
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Mar 5, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
oh i agree
Lack of competition has hurt football and baseball games a lot. At least this year madden took some steps towards making themselves great again like they did early in the 00s.
I just don’t get everyone saying 2k was the greatest football game ever. I remember the only reason I got it was because I was too poor to pay full price for madden lol.
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 8:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
tecmo lives on
sometime this summer tecmo will be on the xbox live and psn as a dlc, it looks like the good tecmo that was fun not the ds version or ps1 version….. and that was a good draft the bears just had :)
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". -Mark Twain
by pappabearhalas on Mar 6, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Quit being such a gloomy gus.
Based on your comments here you need to turn that frown upside-down. Like this!

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Maybe that's how Perry Fewell will feel
if the Giants don’t land Rolle…and for not getting the chance to coach Julius Peppers
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Mar 5, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe...
But, it will make you feel so much better if you hit the “up” arrow next to the reply button. Magic will happen.
Oh maaaaan that requires EFFORT!
Just what do you want from me????
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Pragmatic as am I. However, celebrate today, deduce tomorrow.
We got better today. Plain and simple. The sky might fall tomorrow Chicken Little, but today we got better.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
yes
we improved a 7 win team…yay?
We better hope the next 2 years go well because this team is gonna enter lions territory after that.
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 11:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do you realize how many loses
came because of Jay Cutler INTs? We are not a 7 win team as a whole squad but based on errors resulting from poor QB play during his first season for a new team. With Jay throwing 10 less INTs, we would have had around 3 more wins. Then add on to it losing 2/3 of our LB core, which is our strongest unit on defense, in the blink of an eye. You say you’re a realist but you sound more like a pessimist to me, a realist would recognize what transpired during a few games as circumstantial.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 6, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
only problem is
teams ahve to overcome injuries and mistakes every year.
or
you could just do what you want and not tell someone else what to do.
Sure
But Dave’s right, what good is there in being down about all the good stuff that happened yesterday? We DID get better.
the guy pointed out
the hpocrisy of loving a player when he’s headign to your team and dogging him when you’re not.
if people want to deduce from minute one, good for them. this isn’t bcb, we don’t need thought police.
You caught me sir!
That’s me just doin’ my job!

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
We ALSO don't need "Rebel without a cause."
you could just do what you want and not tell someone else what to do.
so
you’re one of those: “you made a comment i didn’t like so now i will follow you around and reply to all your comments” guys eh?
i was wrong, this is bcb.
Nope. Wrong yet again.
I’m one of those “Think, then speak and hope I’m right, and occasionally drop in a random comment” guys. Which is what’s happening below. You and I are discussing football on a football blog. If that surprises you, then wow.
What I was pointing out is Dave’s comment and that I agree with it. Not my fault you jumped on it like an indictment against your comment.
all pessimists think that
and are often wrong
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmm,
you just made an absolute statement, therefore …
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
it was obvious
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Good, I was afraid we might sign him
He’s not worth what he wanted.
kerry rhodes
how about the bears get kerry rhodes from the jets , a darn good safety
the jets said
Rhodes will be back with them in ’10 but a lot of teams have said that about guys and cut them a week later this year.
Gibril Wilson may be worth a look, he was good in oakland but never really fit in with miami and he’d be cheap.
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 10:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, so much for that...
I wonder how much Kevin Walter would cost. He’s a 2, but we could still use the help.
by Dewey LaMarr Hoyt on Mar 5, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Yep..that sucks.
Walter Payton lives on!!!
by monsterman34 on Mar 5, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
here is the link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970057
Walter Payton lives on!!!
by monsterman34 on Mar 5, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
walter re-signed with the texans
I think angelo saying they are happy with their wide receivers was indeed the truth and not a smoke screen like so many hoped.
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 11:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Didn't know that,
thanks for the info. Hard to believe that Angelo seriously thinks we don’t need WR help.
by Dewey LaMarr Hoyt on Mar 5, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Aroma's play
at the end of the season helped make up his mind. I tend to agree with him, because they have bigger holes to fill. Plus, their Corp is young and developing nicely. Think of Olsen as our Boldin- he’s actually probably a faster straight-line runner.
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by propheteer on Mar 6, 2010 11:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
but olsen plays
shorter, slower and with worse hands than he actually has.
BS....
He played through double coverage all year and still produced top ten numbers while helping out the receiving corps by taking that double coverage……
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
so you're saying
he’s playing up to his full potential? because what i said is that he does not. what he accomplished is irrelevant in that argument.
That's not what you said, at all....
you said…
but olsen plays
shorter, slower and with worse hands than he actually has.
What you said was total hyperbole, not “Olsen’s not playing to his full potential.” Words do actually mean something. What he as accomplish is absolutely relevant in that context.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
its actually
an exact quote from a bears analyst, he drops more balls than he should, runs routes slower than he shoud, and doesn’t get up as much as he should. numbers or not, he could be doing better. not reaching full potential.
Not a very good analyst then,
Considering that Olsne had very few drops, fewer (2), per target, then any other TE or WR or RB on the team who had more than 10 targets, to include the sure-handed Forte and the possession receiver, Earl Bennett. Let’s look at how our targets performed as far as being sure-handed….
Best to worst…….10 targets minimum.
Olsen: 2 drops in 105 targets for 1.90% or 1 drop every 52.5 targets
Bennett: 3 drops in 85 targets for 3.53% or 1 every 28.33
Hester: 4 drops in 89 targets for 4.49% or 1 every 22.25
Forte: 3 drops in 66 targets for 4.55% or 1 every 22
Aromashadu: 2 drops in 40 targets for 5.00% or 1 every 20
Knox: 4 drops in 75 targets for 5.33% or 1 every 28.33
K Davis: 1 drop in 13 targets for 7.69% or 1 every 13
Clark: 3 drops in 31 targets for 9.68% or 1 every 10.33
So, Olsen is the most sure-handed of the group, by almost double, and while fending off frequent double coverage.
So please link to this sage…..
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
by T-Train on Mar 6, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I didn't realize that
Seems like everyoe here is always talking about Olsen’s drops, yet he clearly is the player that you have to worry about that the least with.
Thanks for the inks and recd
Right...
How great can an analisist be if he talks like a guy who has the best drop record on the team is playing with poor hands? I’d like to know who the idiot is so I can make sure I’m not readin what he writes. So I second the link idea!
by HateMe2Morrow on Mar 6, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
radio
so there isn’t a link to be had, but i would guess hub or someone on 1000. where do the drops numbers get pulled from? most sites don’t have that.
Click the TE, RB and WR links that I provided....
I know. It can be hard to find some of those stats, so I favorite everything i find withe something interesting.
The links are in blue above inthe sentence….than any other TE or WR or RB on the team……
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
i see the numbers in there
i just want to know where they get the numbers, are they watching games and counting or do they pull form some secret database?
Think of it
as the NFL’s sabermetrics. Of course they dissect games; by individual and team performances. Just look at the “about” tab.
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Nice work, but doesn't tell the whole story
The folks that tally these numbers, base “drops” as uncontested. My problem with Olsen, is his inability to make the tough catches or “contested drops” (which do not show on these stats you’ve posted).
Lies, damned lies, and statistics. I knew Olsen’s numbers couldn’t have been telling the whole story, much as I would love for him to become a true elite pass-catching TE.
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thats why i asked
where they came from. i never pictured a ball hitting him in the chest and dropping but i know he has alligator arms at times. so the original phrase should have been “doesn’t catch as many as he should.”
so
has anyone chimed in and said as great as todayw as already, they could have made the same deal?
who gives a shit?
are you trying to win now or not? i sure would hate to miss out on the next iglesias and freeman instead of having the last peice of your offensive skill set.
i'm glad to have a little time
and some big news to talk about.
Wow, way to assume veterans means "Win Now Mode"
It’s entirely possible to be in “Win now” mode without throwing away every draft pick. While we’re at it, I’m sure Darelle Revis is available for our 5, 6 and 7. >_>
Other point
Trading for Boldin also required signing him to an extension, so not only are we down our 3 and 4, but ALSO a nice chunk of change from our Free Agency allotment. That’s money that could be spent on either an FS like Atogwe or another less expensive WR.
who's not as good.
but yeah, now we have room to sign matt jones.
...
Boldin is good. He’s not “Be-all-end-all” good.
There are plenty of other options though (disclaimer: Not necessarily advocated by SJS_illini, Inc). Courtesy ESPN’s FA Tracker:
Battle, Booker, Chambers, Furrey, Galloway, Mason, TO, Tyree, Wade.
Just to name a few.
Are they as good (or have they been historically as good) as Boldin? Most, no. Would they have cost us two draft picks PLUS more money? Hell no. Boldin to me isn’t worth two draft picks PLUS an extension, now that we know what we’re limited to resource-wise and knowing that we ALREADY signed three very good free agents.
Unrelated point, Angelo has drafted better at Rnd 3 and below. I think they’re done redshirting people though.
that list is terrible
and i’m not sure any one of those guys would be a better option than what they have when factoriing in the new guy having to get in sync with cutler.
They ARE other options, though.
You know who else would need time to get in sync with Cutler? Boldin.
But as far as the WR group goes, we have a new blocking TE to give Cut more time, we actually have linemen playing their normal positions (gasp!), so Cut should be able to get the ball to his WRs more consistently. That’ll make the group look better too. Plus, it’s a full year of Aroma to answer THAT question (if he can be the Guy). The WR corp is a question that’ll be answered just in time for the new CBA (fingers crossed…).
I will say, personally, I wouldn’t do the Boldin trade and would instead save the cash for Otogwe and then look into drafting or signing a guard.
i'm another option too
just becuase something is physically possibel doesn’t mean its really worth a shit.
with boldin and the alleged now gelled offensive line (a phrase that will become as maligned as “the marinelli effect” i would be willing to bet) you would have a very solid offensive unit. boldin gettig used to cutler has a much higher output that any of those guys getting used to cutler. like i said, even a struggling boldin is better than any of the current wrs and those on that list synched or not. yes, i know how awesome DA was for 15 minutes last year. just like hundredsd of other players are every year.
With all due respect, no, you aren't.
Methinks thou doth overrate the Boldin. You say his name like he cures all Bears offensive holes. No. Even if he came in and the offense was on fire, could you attribute that to Boldin or to the acquisitions of Taylor/Manu/anyone else yet to come?
It wasn’t 15 mins, it was a quarter of the season. And it would be remarkable except for the fact that this was a guy Jay Cutler wanted on the field. When he finally got it, what do you know, it worked. Hundreds? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Hyperbole and exaggeration make as many points as a skywriting pilot with a few bottles of Jack.
he cures the #1 receiver hole
like i said. the alleged gelled o line fills that hole. like i said but don’t believe is true. at no point did i say boldin fixes anything other than wr related issues. i hope that is clear enough.
I don't even know that Boldin fixes those, considering that....
Arizona was a better offense with Breaston on the field than with Boldin…..
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1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
That is clear enough.
Seriously, though, you’ve used way too much exaggeration and hyperbole for my liking. And I didn’t say you DID say that, I said you made it SOUND like that. Listen next time.
Boldin is a good WR. That is not being discounted. What I am saying is that we don’t have any proof that Boldin is NECESSARY to drop our two highest draft picks on AND the remainder of our FA allotment for a hole that really possibly isn’t. Better to save the money and picks for holes we KNOW we have. Like free safety.
Yes, I AM going to tout our young guys that are up and coming and are in the point of their careers where they’ll get better. It’s possible we’ll get a veteran WR, yes, but it doesn’t/didn’t need to be Boldin or cost as much as Boldin would cost us.
i'm not terribly concerned with what you like
da had three games with either high yardage or scores, not a quarter of the season, since we’re in a no exaggeration zone.
that’s not sustained enough output to me to think wr isn’t still a hole.
DA also didn't see the field consistently until those four games.
Four games really played, but three of them were good for him stat-wise. At the end of the year. Jay liked what he saw from Aroma in training camp/preseason, so I’m led to believe that Aroma CAN perform like that over the course of a full season. I’m not saying he’s the savior, but I am saying that he could be exciting to watch and could put up those #1 type numbers we’re looking for. I DO have slight reservations as last year was his first real on the field year, but it could work.
of that group
I like Mason the best, or possibly Chambers. I realize Mason is old but if you look at his stats last season (as #1 WR so drawing the other team’s best CB), 73 catches, 1000+ yards, 7 TD’s. And doing that in a run-first offense. Those numbers are far better than anything any of our guys put up last year.
Plus, he would be that veteran presence who could help mentor these younger guys in the tricks of the trade.
Oh, last year, I LOVED Mason for fantasy purposes.
Too bad my brother got him. >_>
Chambers fell out of favor way too fast for my liking in such a pass-heavy attack in San Diego. I know they had their guys, but for as often as they passed you’d think he’d find a way to stay on the field and produce.
Mason, I would like though, he’d definitely come cheaper than Boldin cost Baltimore and I can still see him being productive. Not Boldin productive but productive enough.
those guys suck
Boldin played better with a broken face than any of those guys on their best day. There is not much value in rounds 3-7 unless you get very lucky. Most likely the players we draft there will never come close to what Boldin has done or will do.
by Ryan21 on Mar 7, 2010 12:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
but i do like our wr
I just think Boldin would have made us much stronger there. Wr get injured all the time and we don’t have much depth if Aroma, Knox, or Bennett go down. I wish Ari would have accepted our 2nd rd offer last year.
by Ryan21 on Mar 7, 2010 12:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
no
the entire front office and coaching staff being on the chopping block is the other half of why the bears are in win now mode.
yes, i said trade every draft pick. that was exactly the point.
Well, yeah, that's no secret.
So you burn all your money on FAs every year? You wouldn’t draft players to build up in a system and build around, and just mismatch parts until the end of time?
I like a good big-name FA every now and then myself, but sometimes drafting a player to retain for years is better.
I don't think he's talking long term...
I think he’s looking at trying to spend one year finding the pieces to draft around in the future, and I honestly fault the logic…..
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
+1
I agree. I would trade every pick we had. I don’t see us getting as much value for the late round pick this year as some suggest, and why not take one year and try to sort out some positions with known entities.
It’s not a solid year to year strategy, but I think it might be a good strategy this year……
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
it is never a long term strategy
i don’t think al davis even thinks that
Exactly....
Unless you Dan Snyder……The redskins do this yearly, it seems ;D
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1 : The act of doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.
Never would be solid year to year.
I just don’t see any way it really works. Besides, not that I was thinking we’d get a starter in Rnd 7 this year, but I thought the draft would be deep enough that some serviceable talent might be there later, with the potential for the lockout and all. Correct me if I’m wrong, I admit I don’t look at draft boards much.
we dont need more
Guys with a high probability of spending half the season on the sidelines with injury. Even if we get someone like sharper they need to find a young guy to learn under him. That’s where they’ve screwed up at mlb, corner and center…they haven’t drafted any guys to be groomed to take over for the guys they’ve had entrenched in those positions for so long.
by lopey986 on Mar 5, 2010 11:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sharper could buy us two years
though to find an understudy. If we signed him for say….3/15 with 7 to 8 mil guaranteed and cut him after two, it would still be worth it. Don’t you think?
I’m just worried that we’d have to overpay for OJ in order for the Rams not to match.
by Dewey LaMarr Hoyt on Mar 5, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
is this going to be like Cub fans
always clamoring to bring back Mark DeRosa? don’t get me wrong, I liked both players while they were here, but Christ … let’s give up the ghost already. there will be no nostalgia tour.
We've had
To deal with it all year long! Holding onto the past isn’t an admirable trait.
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by propheteer on Mar 6, 2010 11:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
At least there will be no more of that silliness
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Worst case scenario
is we spend a week chasing Atogwe only to have the Rams match the offer; and in the meantime Sharper has already signed with someone else.
by Dewey LaMarr Hoyt on Mar 5, 2010 11:10 PM CST reply actions
Really want Atogwe...
would be happy with Sharper
Walter Payton lives on!!!
by monsterman34 on Mar 5, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Go for Atogwe
You have nothing to lose. Yes you have to wait a week to find out if you get him but it’s definitely worth trying. Why not go from seriously helping the D w/ Peppers to solidifying it for 3-4 years with Atogwe and Peppers?!
Would be my 1st choice
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Atogwe would be good..
but, I think Clark is a sleeper and a better pick up than Sharpe overall. He’s younger, and can lay a hit if you remember the game this year he cracked Olsen a couple times Probably the best hits he took all year. He’s tough, has decent coverage, substantially younger, and probably substantially cheaper. I hope we don’t forget about O-line, or pull some smoke screen like last year that turns out terrible. If we can get a safety and get another dominant o-lineman to go with today’s pickups before we enter the draft, we’ll be in great shape. The only move I didn’t like was the tight end pick up signaling that all the rumors are probably true and Olsen’s gone for probably a pick we waste on a bust. He’ll be a pro-bowler with someone who can utilize a big, fast, tight end with great hands who requires double coverage most times.
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It's kind of crazy
How quiet it is on here after the last 24 hours. Pretty neat to be able to sit back and relax and be satisfied with the start to FA.
Bears fans are in shock I think I know I am a bit.
Just not used to this, but I am willing to learn.
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Chicago Bears FA
Bears need to go after Oshiomogho Atogwe to secure their safety position. After that go get Terrell Owens
by Da Bears2333333 on Mar 6, 2010 12:31 AM CST reply actions
Your post started off well,
then you had to ruin by talking about TO.
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Terrell owens to Chicago would give us a vet WR
We all know we comes with his issues but he can still play. He’s in great shape and would help your passing game out immediately. And how about Oj Atogwe?? he’s young would be a major upgrade and as a noise for the ball a must sign in my eyes
What you fellow bear fans think??
by Da Bears2333333 on Mar 6, 2010 12:37 AM CST reply actions
T.O. is gonna sign with the Bengals....
I dont know why everyone is so down on the Wr’s we have…DA was Big down the stretch and if not for injuries Hester would have had a 1000 yard season….Earl Bennett was solid all year Knox is only gonna get better and we dont know what Iglesias will bring to the table…The wr production starts with qb play and Martz will improve that along with The Wr’s knowing their jobs inside out….There’s a reason why certain Qb’s make their wideouts better…Just look at Matt Ryan and Roddy White
There has got be some changes made or we're gonna be in for a world of disappointment.......
were down on our Wrs because they didn't cut it last year
you seem to forget about all the miss routes by knox and bennett. We need a guy to come in, who knows how to play the position. We tried to make hester into a wr and because of that he had the worst career in punt and kickoff returens. put him back where he is best and use him at slot. Martz even said he thinks hester is best suited for the slot like hakim on the st louis rams. So whos are number one WR? DA and knox or bennett not good enough. Antonio Bryant and terrell ownes are all viable options. Antonio Bryant is only 28 and when healthy with cutler could be become a nice threat for the chi town bears
by Da Bears2333333 on Mar 6, 2010 3:09 AM CST up reply actions
Bengals
basically sign all the unwanted and washed up players that got kicked off other teams. That’s why they might make the playoffs, but will never be a true contender.
I don't want TO
He is done. He was great for a long time but that time is over. WR is not like QB were every now and then a guy can play until his 40.
So the Bears need a...
FS, WR and LG; plus a CB or DT? I can see going after Atogwe as a smart move. He younger and proven. Missing out on Boldin is a big disappointment, I really thought the Bears had him in a swap for Olsen. The Bears need to get, at least, one of those 3-4 positions through FA still. I can see maybe another third round pick to use if Manning is signed away (hoping that happens soon).
As for the Peppers is too expensive argument, that’s just not the case. The Bears needed to replace the departed Ogunleye with someone. Taking a risk on a DE in the draft would have been a bigger mistake. You cannot move up in the draft by paying more money (but you can in FA), so what other option would the Bears have? I was initially worried that the Bears would use the big money ONLY on Peppers, but since they brought in others in addition, that point is now moot.
The Bears are doing what they have not been willing/able to do in the past few years, upgrade talent and make a serious effort to produce a winning team. I will give them the start, but now Lovie needs to step back and simply manage the team. If he stays away from the defense and lets Marinelli have a shot, it might work. I can say I am happy with the moves yesterday and I am waiting to see how this all unfolds in the next 2-3 months.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I'm with you on Manning
Hope someone picks him up, another 3rd would be huge. Would be better for him too, maybe some other team would put him at one DB positon and let him develop.
we need to get a fs in fa...
We can draft a starting guard in the 3rd round. I think we can ride it out with the wr we have. Maybe we can find a cb in the 4th round.
by Ryan21 on Mar 6, 2010 11:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
now Lovie needs to step back and simply manage the team. If he stays away from the defense and lets Marinelli have a shot, it might work.
If Lovie is smart, he just lets his coaches run the team, and just acts as a moderator, at this point…
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at guard how about
jeremy bridges from arizona? Dont know much except he is 6’4" 326! big guy to put next to Williams.
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If we signed Sharper...
…then he is only one more team away from achieving the distinction of playing for every team in the NFC North.
not an ideal fit
I was reading somewhere else (forgot where now) and a good analysis was done of Sharper and the bottom line of it was, the things he is best at doing are not the sorts of things a Cover-2 demands of the FS. And on the flipside, the sorts of things a Cover-2 wants a FS to be doing are not the things Sharper does best.
Now, all that being said, would he be an improvement over what we had last year? Yeah, I think so. But you also have to ask yourself, is it worth it pursuing him and paying him what it would take, to then put him in a system that doesn’t really fit his strengths? I’m guessing probably not, unless his asking price is much less than everyone is speculating.
Giants really overpaid on Rolle.
He is good, but he is now the highest paid Safety in the NFL… There is no way that he deserves more money than Reed, Polamalu, and Wilson.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
Rolle's contract...
Rolle signed a five-year, $37 million contract that has $15 million in guaranteed money.
Comes in around 7.5million a year.
Anyone have the numbers available to see if 7 million a year is doable with our cap numbers for the years after this one?
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I ask, because the Rams specifically didn't want to pay Atogwe 7mil a year...
If they did, they would have tendered him the higher offer and protected their player.
Also, a contender clause would be a perfect poison pill if still legal at this juncture, something tieing compensation to the wins the team has. Since the Rams aren’t likely to see and 8-8 season next year, and maybe the year after it’d probably be perfect in this situation once again if legal.
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I would rather go with the x-games in The state of Missouri and the player gets a huge bonus
Just in case, and it completely guarantees that they won’t sign him.
Dear Internet Tough Guy.
Do you want to be applauded for overpaying a guy?
Not sure what you’re looking for here, there isn’t really much question that Sharper and Atogwe are better players than Rolle is. Does Rolle have more upside due to being a younger player? He does, but upside does not justify being the highest paid safety in the league. If we, or any other team gets Atogwe for less than Rolle, than you got a really raw deal.
Rolle is a good player, that was playing in a good secondary. Not a great player playing in a good secondary.
As far as our three pick ups go, they were the best at their position available in FA, I can’t say the same for Rolle.
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meh. Rolle is pretty good.
You guys are missing the point. Right now Craig Steltz is our starting Free Safety.
It wont be for long.
That was the main thing Lovie talked about at the combine, FS, after all of thats transgressed over the past 2 days you dont think they will be addressing that next. Good thing about FS is that there seems to be a lot of options as well.
"How sad, another victim of the Night Nurses from Jersey."
true but sooner in the draft is better then later
I’m not even talking about moving up, but we only ever use 6th rounders on the secondary. Our secondary is so neglected that using a 3rd rounder would even be a huge upgrade.
I agree completely, if his name is Polomalu, he shouldnt be the highest paid.
Period
"How sad, another victim of the Night Nurses from Jersey."
you were entertaining dude...
I knew what you were up to the whole time. I stuck by my they will get him and luckily it worked out : )
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Mar 6, 2010 1:54 PM CST reply actions
failure to hit reply...
i hate when i do that
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Mar 6, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
OL blues
What about the real disaster?? ANY plans for protection?? Can Da Bears use a 13 step drop? Maybe they could convince opposing defenses to use the one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand defense??? It works like the Tampa-2 prevent defense!!!
At the end of the year last year...
The line looked like it solidified quite a bit. We should be fine there with an addition more skilled than Shaff or Omi.
I don't know about "quite a bit"
Maybe a Little bit.
Shaffer and Omiyale were fine at year's end
so it is not a long shot to think the OL will start the year much better than it started last year. Also, maybe the surgery Kreutz just had on his foot will make him a much better player than he was last season.
All this said, I would love to see them get a LG and let Omiyale move to his natural spot, RT, and battle Shaffer for the job.
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 7, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
I believe!!
Yesterday was one of the most proudest days for me being a Bears fan. I believe Lovie can take us back. You have to remember all those injurys we had to start last year i felt bad for the coaching staff. I thought Kevin Jones would of been enough to compliment Forte.Odviously injury stopped that theory. Pisa Tinoisamoa was a huge blow to the team with even a worse blow to Our man Urlacher. Our receivers will get the job done D.A will have a break out year. Can we just get a safety please. That was the hardest thing for me to watch last year was teams passing all over our secondary almost effortless.
What do you guys think about
signing Leigh Bodden? He isn’t the best for press man, but i think he would be great in our system.
better hurry
Pats are pushing real hard to keep him. It’s not like them to overpay someone, but despite their reputation as a “cheap” team, they aren’t shy about putting money on the table for a player they think is worth it. And it’s absolutely clear Bodden is their #1 CB by, and by a pretty wide margin.
So if we want Bodden, we gotta move quickly and move in with a serious offer.
We should have made that trade
A fourth and a seventh, this sucks, but we still got Atogwe to go to who was our first target anyway.
Atogwe is easily the best FS in this market...
At least for us, his age matches up well with Briggs and other keystones of the team. Sharper takes a second place because of his advanced age, and being only a one or two year stop gap, whereas barring injury Atogwe could easily play out a 5 or 6 year deal.
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and only went
for this year’s 4th and next year’s 7th…..
by David in Maine on Mar 6, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions

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