If Taylor Mays falls out of the top ten....
by joepepp23 on Mar 6, 2010 11:09 AM CST
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Then the Bears must trade Olsen and a draft pick(s) to get him! Olsen can't block. I don't care what Pompie says about elite TEs not being able to block... the Bears need a blocking TE. Olsen gets handled and looks passive on the field more often then he should. If you are truly watching the games, he has been punked on several occasions where we needed him to "Cowboy Up" and be a good pass blocker. His weakness has lead to sacks and tackles for loss. I think he is talented, but he is more valuable as trade bait in my opinion if we can get into the first day of the draft!
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Dream world...
You’re living in one:
1. Taylor Mays was never going to be a top 10 pick— he may be available all the way into the 20’s.
2. Greg Olsen will never get you into the first day of the draft. He may not get you into the second day of the draft.
Ain’t happening.
I disagree with your first point.
Had Mays come out last year, he easily would have been a top-10 pick. ;)
Ok. But he didn't come out last year.
He’s coming out this year and he is widely considered to be the 3rd best safety in the draft. I’m just saying that OP suggests it would be some miracle for Mays to fall out of the top 10 but anyone and everyone who has been tracking the mocks knows that he is slated well beyond that now.
I understand that completely.
I was simply taking only 1 single piece of your statement, and having fun by twisting it around.
bottom line is
whether Taylor Mays goes top 10 or falls out… he won’t be a Bear next year
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by BearNecessities on Mar 6, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
And anyway
all you have to do is run fast and the Raiders will draft you with their first overall pick. See DHB.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 6, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
made the same point below.....
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't get that far down yet..
but great minds think alike.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 6, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
rec'd
my first thoughts exactly. not worth trying to get into the first round for me, hes too stiff. I rather make an effort for Earl Thomas if he falls. Guy just looks smooth and makes plays.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Mar 6, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you on Earl Thomas.
i almost like him as much as Eric Berry.
One thing to consider....
Heyward-Bay…….
Never assume the Top 10 is set. But other than that, I completely agree.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I saw a Mock with Mays going at 25
and most I see have him in the 20’s… the Olsen to NE for their #1 would be perfect in that case
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 8, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Except Olsen will not get you a #1
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 8, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Jason Witten wouldn't get u more than
a second. No way Olsen gets better than a late second…..agreed….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 8, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe.....
another team will sign Mark Anderson or Nick Roach and in doing so, donate their second round pick to us. Then we trade Olsen and the second to New England for their first round pick #22. But that is a whole lot of wishful thinking. I would have to agree with the Kaiser that Taylor Mays and Earl Thomas will be available at pick 20. I just don’t see any team between 10 and 22 that needs a safety that bad. Its the playoff teams at the bottom of the first round that I think will be after a safety. I love Olsen but he trade bait at this point. Without coupling him with a 2nd round pick, we will not get into the first round. I hope someone really signs Mark Anderson.
no team would trade a second for either
Hell Boldin didnt even get that
by Bear Lovin 21 on Mar 6, 2010 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
too bad Mays is a SS huh
Plus there is no possible way he falls out of the top ten
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
He could rise...
to the top 10, but I’ve yet to see a mock draft that places him there, though I admittedly haven’t seen them all……
I see him as a SS, also, though…
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Most mocks I have seen..
have him in the 20’s. He also seems like he could be another Urlacher project due to his physical size and ridiculous speed. Mays was a workout monster at the combine and I was ready to trade the farm for him when I heard that he ran a 4.24. But I am not so sure that Earl Thomas wouldnt be a better fit.
by doctorlloyd23 on Mar 6, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Same here....
And I was thinking the same thing about the “Urlacher project”. That 4.24 number was off, though. I read (pops) it was a mistake and his actual number was a still impressive 4.43. But at 6’3" and 230 lbs, I can see Mays giving some personnel guys images of having their own “54”.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody really know what he ran.
He ran slower than a 4.2 guy but he beat two guys that ran 4.3.
You may have missed it, but.....
The original times that were recorded were erroneous. His actual official time was 4.43, as reported here and here (both pop), among many other places.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
i am aware of that.
I was just mentioning the video that they showed during the combine. In it they projected 5 guys runnning the forty at once and taylors mays beat to guys who had official 4.3 times. So unless there scores need to be changed also, his official score is wrong.
Can you provide that link to the video?
I’d like to see who they had him running with, so that we can clear this up……
Because, according the the official web site (pops), only Jacoby Ford, Jahvid Best, C.J. Spiller, and Trindon Holliday recorded below a 4.40, and I cannot remember seeing the superimposed videos of players superimposed while running with other position groups. Ford is a WR, Best and Spiller are RBs, and Holliday is a return specialist.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Actually found one myself, and you are clearly right....
Mays got screwed…….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
You just signed a blocking tight end to a 5-year contract
You craaaaazy
by Donald Driver on Mar 6, 2010 1:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
We'll see when CT is running it down...
your throats behind him!!
by Bears fan 4-ever!!! on Mar 6, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
and the pack
have no one to block our 91milli DE
eat it
Rogers will be on IR
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
You signed a mediocre LT to a three year deal after he missed time last year due to injury
You craaaazy
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
I wasn't calling the Bears crazy
I was calling the guy who said you guys needed to get a blocking tight end crazy. But they are crazy for giving Peppers that much money. Also, Clifton’s deal is front-loaded so it can’t really hurt us and is thus not crazy.
by Donald Driver on Mar 6, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone that can help our blocking is welcome
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
That's the difference...
The Bears’ protection got better with the Manu signing. The re-signing of Clifton made Green Bay’s protection the same, at best, as it was last year.
And now Clifton is going to have to go head-to-head with Peppers and Vanden Bosch four times a year. On top of facing Allen, twice. Aaron Rodgers, it was nice knowing thee.
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Matt Flynn will start at some point this year
Due to Aaron Rodgers being injured, theres no way he can take a beating like he took last year again
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
We will use the draft to improve our line
it’s what good teams do.
by Donald Driver on Mar 7, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
I know you're making an attempt to mock the Bears here,
but we don’t have a first round pick this year because we acquired a good young quarterback, with elite potential, last year. We also traded our second pick for a decent defensive lineman, with great potential, who unfortunately passed away.
However, we did draft Williams (our starting LT) two years ago. So, by all accounts… are you saying that we’re a good team?
Furthermore, before you get all up on your high horse. Your team wasn’t that much better than us last year. And again, the difference is that we’ve gotten healthy, recognized some of our weakness and improved them, while you, at best, have stayed the same.
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by David Taylor on Mar 7, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Williams looks like he's going to be a very good player
Do I think the Bears are a good team? I suppose, I have them pegged at 9 or 10 wins next year, and yes I would agree that they have improved for next year. I was only mocking the Omiyale and Pace signings. But comparing the Packers and the Bears…is probably not a good idea for Bears fans. I don’t know how much better THAT much better is but the Packers were a lot better than the Bears last year and they’re still better going forward. I think you make a good point about the Bears vs. the Packers offseason here without realizing it though in that you’ve improved by signing 3 players but we have 3 draft picks that you don’t have and that equals 3 free agents. I don’t expect our first-rounder to have a Peppers-like impact but I’d rate Taylor about equal to a second rounder and Man at a third or fourth. I don’t think that the Bears have closed the gap
by Donald Driver on Mar 7, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
We will see...
You’re also under the assumptions that Green Bay will hit on those three draft selections and that they can come in and contribute right away. While the Packers definitely have a better draft track record than the Bears, it’s still largely a crap shoot.
And for mocking the Omiyale acquisition… meh, go ahead. I didn’t agree with what we paid him in the first place or the fact that we moved his positions and decided to start him (even with his obvious struggles). Pace however, I thought, was a decent signing at the time. I thought he’d make a decent RT and would help mentor Williams in the process. Yet, we all know the outcome.
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I think my optimism is based on how well the draft went for us this past year
with us getting a lot of productivity from Raji, Matthews, Lang, Johnson and Jones. You’re right though.
by Donald Driver on Mar 7, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I wouldn't be complaining about that draft, either.......
Raji and Matthews alone would be enough to declare a successful draft, assuming that they continue down the current path.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 7, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, well...
our first four draft picks were Gilbert, Iglesias, Melton and Moore…
I think I’m gonna go cry now!
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
And Afalava is the bees knees...
but when your first four draft picks
Gilbert – 1 game, 1 tackle
Iglesias – 1 game, 0 catches
Melton – Red-shirted
Moore – Yet to appear in a game
And then you have:
Freeman – didn’t make the team
Louis – Yet to appear in a game
Kinder – didn’t make the team
On top of all of our past failures… draft day is brutal for us Bears’ fans.
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by David Taylor on Mar 7, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
No wonder he keeps trading picks away
But check out this draft I came across a little while back
Broncos 2006
Round one-Jay Cutler
Round two-Tony Scheffler
Round Four-Brandon Marshall
Round Four-Elvis Dumerviel
Round Four-Dominek Hixon
Round Five Chris Kuper
They get this draft and can’t make the playoffs???
by Donald Driver on Mar 8, 2010 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
goes to show you
Shanahan may have lost a step, and McDaniels wasn’t anything to write home about, when the smoke cleared…truly, NFC North is where the competition is
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by BearNecessities on Mar 8, 2010 5:48 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah,
I’ve drooled over that draft before.
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Nice to see a reasonable Packers fan.....
But I disagree with your assessment. I think the Pack are in for a rough year, unless they make some real line changes in FA or draft a significant tackle. Clifton will be travelling backwards again this season, as will Tauscher, and Barbre was horrible to begin with.
Clifton allowed 4 sacks (2 to Chicago alone), 4 more QB hits, and 18 pressures beyond that in 12 games, and he wasn’t exactly considered good. Barbre allowed 6 sacks, 6 hits, and 20 pressures in only 9 games. Lang accounted for 6 more sacks in 10 games and Colledge allowed 5 more in 3 games.
In fact, the Tackle position in Green Bay gave up a total of 23 sacks, 19 hits and 77 pressures. Our tackle position wasn’t good, and the Bears tackles gave up only 11 sacks, 18 hits and 81 pressures.
With Jared Allen already in the division, and now Peppers and Vanden Bosch, GBs tackle deficiency in going to have Rodgers spending even more time on his back. I can’t see how it gets better for the Pack with sub-par tackles having to face Allen, Peppers or Vanden Bosch 6 times a years. We already saw what Allen did to the Pack by himself, with 8 sacks in 2 games. Now Peppers has publicly declared that he wants to prove that he’s the best DE in the division. Think about that.
I am positive that Rodgers already has……
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 7, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well they're definately drafting one tackle and Lang is the right tackle of the future
but the thing I disagree with here is that I think that the line will get better, not worse. We’ll be able to get the old tackles the rest they need to stay fresh and injury-prone. I think Tauscher got a shitload left in the tank anyways. The coaches last year tried to change the structure of the line to help the run-blocking but it came at the expense of the pass-protection. I would say that the Packers have the right guys for a successful line if the coaches realize how to use them and where to put them and if they stay healthy. Also you mention Colledge and Barbre as two primary culprits but they’re unlikely to get much playing time next year. I think that a line of Clifton/rookie, Spitz at left guard, Wells at Center, Sitton and Tauscher/Lang will probably do well. Also you’re discounting the fact that we were still very good this past year with the worst line possible. We have a very good defense and excellent skill players which makes me think that we are the favorite for the division next year. As far as Rodgers being afraid of Peppers, i doubt it for two reasons a. he’s extremely unshakable; I doubt he’s afraid of anything and b. Peppers is a clean player. If he gets a sack, he gets a sack, he’s not trying to rip the QB’s head off like Jared Allen.
by Donald Driver on Mar 8, 2010 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
We'll have to agree to disagree on the tackles....
But i’d love to have the Packs interior line. With a good couple of Tackles (and I’m sorry, but judging from last years numbers, Barbre and Lang are not the answer for the future together they allowed more sacks than our entire tackle group, and our group isn’t anything to crow about), the Pack could have a very good line. Lucky for your team that the position is pretty deep, and GB has picks, so I can’t see why that wouldn’t get addressed in the draft. But we’ll see.
As far as ol’ mullet-boy goes, I couldn’t agree more. He’s a great DE, don’t get me wrong. But he is a vicious bastard. Me thinks he should be checked for the juice. Seems like ’roid rage the way he seems to be trying to rip a QBs head off (I can thin of twice that I had this thought in the first GB-MIN game……
And i’m not saying Rodgers is some girly-boy crying at night about taking hits. I’m just saying that you have to take notice that last year The Lions, Vikings and Bears combines for 27 sacks in 6 games on Rodgers. Now the Lions added Venden Bosch and the Bears added Peppers. I don’t care if Aaron doesn’t feel at all, that thought has to have him thinking about his own safety. That being said, he showed incredible poise last season for a guy who got laid out 51 times. I’ll give him that. Most NFL QBs would be in the fetal position after week 8, when he had already been dropped 37 times (See Rex Grossman circa 2007).
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 8, 2010 1:56 AM CST up reply actions
He may be mediocre now but he was outstanding for 10 years before that
It was the right thing to do.
by Donald Driver on Mar 6, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
So by that logic
Signing anyone who was a stud in the last 10 years is good strategy??
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
No
It’s a situation where we still needed a player who’s been very important to our team over the last decade and we did right by him.
by Donald Driver on Mar 7, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
This.
I understand and agree with.
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by David Taylor on Mar 7, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Okay that I get, but just saying they were good for the last 10 years
Doesn’t mean their good now, but I understand.
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
Clifton sucks
And he is done. He will turn out to be this year’s Orlando Pace…
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
Giordano is a FA again
"If I were a food critic being asked to write about the meal and experience at Waffle House, I would provide a drawing of two happy fat people giving each other a high five."
The Safety Matt Giordano
that was releaed by the Colts last year, picked up by the Pack, and since released. there was some talk last season of picking him up
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by BearNecessities on Mar 8, 2010 5:50 AM CST up reply actions
This post is riddled with inaccuracies
TMays is not a top 10 pick, and Olsen will not get you a 1st round pick in return.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
+1
Made the same point above…..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Unless the raiders go after him....
They are shopping Michael Huff, mind you. Remember Heyward-Bey….
Sadly, I’m not joking……
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
the other Maryland kid
the tackle campbell had an al davis day in indy.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Mar 6, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
You cannot count what the Raiders do
the old expression is that there is a method to the madness, but with Al Davis and the Raiders, there is only madness.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 7, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
I would never presume.....
to know what Al Davis is going to do. But I did here that AJ Smith was firing a ham sandwich with a blue cape on them down the 40 track at the combine just to confuse Davis…….Rumor has it Davis is going to draft the sandwich in the second round….. ;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 7, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
The sad thing is Davis was a brilliant football mind at one time
but that time came and went a while ago and he does not seem capable of change or of admitting he has lost it. I am no Raiders fan, although I did enjoy going to see them back when they were worth watching (in the 60s and 70s in particular), but I hate to see what was such a successful franchise go so downhill.
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 7, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Taylor Mays
In my previous post, I made the rhetorical assumption that Taylor Mays’ workout would catapult him into the top 10 players. I realistically do not believe that Mays is a top ten pick even though his workout was phenomenal! I do think his workout will bump him up into the top 20 possibly even through a trade. He can be used at approximately three different positions according to my math (SS, FS, OLB). With that said, he could be a long term solution for the Bears at one of the safety positions. I feel like if we just keep making band aide fixes to our safety problem then we will continue to get uneven results. I believe that the real fix is through the draft. So for all of you draftologists that was my true point. I would love to have Mays. I think he would be a good fit. If you do not agree, then oh well.
Greg Olsen
And by the way, I do not like Olsen. I do not think he can block and no one can tell me different. If you are weak then you are weak. He can not block because he is not tough. Period!
So you wouldn't want V Davis, D Clark....
V Shiancoe, F Davis, Z Miller, A Gates, K Winslow, J Shockey, C Cooley, J Finley, B Celek or others because they were lower ranked (pops) run blockers than Olsen (which is the bulk of the blocking work done by receiving TEs)? Tony Gonzalez in a dying breed. The league is passing blocking TEs by, just as it did with the FBs.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Olson
Are you saying Olson is that good? To answer your question… yes!
by joepepp23 on Mar 6, 2010 2:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You're saying you wouldn't want ANY
of the listed TEs? You do know, besides not listing Witten, the best TE’s in the game are listed there right?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 6, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, I am.....
He spent the majority of his season in double coverage, something the rest of the TEs on this list (other than Winslow) didn’t have to deal with, and still posted top ten numbers. And since he took double coverage, he helped out the young receiving corps a lot, as well.
You have to put context into the equation to properly analyze a player. Olsen did a fantastic job, this season, while rating higher than all of the previously mentioned TEs in run blocking. Ignoring that is silly, and short sighted. Malumaleuna is one of the more respected blocking TEs in the league. So why isn’t he considered in the same breathe with Gates, Clark, Winslow, and the like? Because the league is evolving, and the Maumaleunas of the league are little more than role players for the most part.
The top 10 blocking TEs int he league?
Run blocking: J Witten, A Fasano, K Boss, J Kleinsasser, M Bennett, B Hartsock, A Crumpler, M Lewis, C Baker, J Stupar. Not exactly a who’s who list of TEs.
Pass Blocking: M Lewis, J Kleinsasser, T Heap, S Nelson, J Witten, C Baker, A Gates, D Fine, J Dreessen, A Becht. Again, a few names, but not a star list……
Receiving: A Gates, T Gonzales, D Clark, J Shockey, B Celek, V Shiancoe, T Heap, J Finley, Z Miller, O Daniels. Now that sounds much more like the list you here when people discuss the best TEs inthe league, doesn’t it? Olsen is 14th on that list, BTW, out of 61.
Receiving TEs are the way the league has moved. Teams generally keep a receiving TE and a blocking TE on the roster. Some may not like it, but that is the way the league has moved forward.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I'm really getting sick of
the Greg Olsen completely sucks because he can’t block and that makes him weak. If you’re going to complain about him, complain about his YAC and the way he avoids taking a hit at all possible times. He’s suppose to be a receiving TE and that’s what he is just like all the others that you listed. I’m not a huge Olsen fan or anything though and I would agree to trading him for the right compensation.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Mar 6, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
I totally agree.....
for the right compensation, I would trade just about anyone on the team. But let’s be realistic about what the right compensation is and what a players worth is. Just because Olsnen isn’t the best blocker on the team doesn’t make hin the worst TE on the team. His value is as a receiver, which happens to be why he was drafted.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Olson
Yes I would take those listed above. To me he is a liability. That’s how I feel. You guys are right. We drafted him to be a pass catching TE. I still feel he is not tough. Not just because he can not block but that is my primary reason. I would like to see us fill a hole on the o line or in the secondary and he is our best asset. I personally fall in with Martz. I do not place the value on Olson that others do but I hope that you guys are right. I hope that he stays and turns into a pro bowler. That will make me eat my words.
by joepepp23 on Mar 6, 2010 3:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions
When did Martz say that he does not place the value on Ols*e*n that others do?
Please provide that link, because it seems to me that a team that still has whole to fill would be shopping a top ten producing TE if the offensive coordinator felt he was over-valued. Since precisely the opposite (pops) is being reported, even though said TE is requesting a trade, I suspect that the OC who has been called an offensive gunius realizes that much of the success of the young receiving corp had to do with the threat that Greg Olsen presents, which was obviously widely recognized by 13 different DCs last year who felt Olsen warranted double coverage, those opening opportunities for the receivers.
So if you read something different, please provide a link so we may be in the know, as well…..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
No way,are we drafting Mays!
Mays is a one dimensional athlete.The Bears already have a freak of nature,one dimensional athlete! We drafted him in the 6Th round,not top 10.Nate Allen would be a better fit for us.He is a true FS and Mays is a SS drafted to only to catch DMS.Atleast that would be the scenario for the Bears……….
+1....
Brain cramped though…..which 6th round freak of nature were you referring to?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I'm sorry.
Al Afalava……..That guy is ripped beyond believe for his frame…….I mean if we drafted Mays, the only thing we would be doing is getting a faster taller Afalava …….
If we're talking athletic
I’d put D. Manning ahead of AA in a heartbeat.
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agreed...
Manning could have be somebody, until Lovie got this wild musical secondary idea in his head. Manning is the perfect example of why you have to develop a player at one position. For the record, I don’t think it’s to late for DM. If the braintrust can actually place him somewhere and keep him there, he could still develop into pro-bowl caliber.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 8, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
SS
seems like it would suit his skills a tad bit better. In coverage, he looks completely lost- so having him closer to the line, blitzing, and covering the TE from time to time would benefit him greatly. Hopefully we’ve yet to see his best play as a Bear.
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I agree.....
He definitely has the speed to be a solid FS, but his coverage skills aren’t to par. Maybe had he been developed properly that wouldn’t be the case. But it is, none-the-less. He still has the ability to be a monster SS, though.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 8, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Bears & the 1st round
No, Im not talking about how bad the Bears have drafted in round 1… The Bears will probably not move into the first round because they already spent there money. They don’t want to have to pay a 1st round pick. They had extra money to spend because they didn’t have an early pick; I highly doubt they move a future pick to go into the first. (If they do move a future first to go into this years draft JA, Lovie and crew are REALLY scared for there jobs.)
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ENOUGH WITH THE OLSEN CANT BLOCK BS!
Their is only one Tightend that can arguably do it all at this point and time that can do it and thats Jason Witten. T-Gonz was a star in his day.
+1
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Mar 6, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
If Taylor Mays falls out of the top ten....
the Bears will still be watching some other team draft him.
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by BearNecessities on Mar 8, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
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