Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for 5th round pick
The Bears will likely use a 5th round pick in this year's draft on a WR... they could have just used it on Holmes. I hope to find out later, that the Bears at least inquired about Holmes. If not, then they've completely missed the boat.
From the Chicago Tribune
NEW YORK (AP) — The New York Jets acquired wide receiver Santonio Holmes from the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday night for a fifth-round draft pick this month, according to a person familiar with the deal.
The person spoke with The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the teams had yet to announce the trade.
Holmes, the 2009 Super Bowl MVP, gives quarterback Mark Sanchez another big-time target to throw to in an offense that already had Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery, promising tight end Dustin Keller and recently signed running back LaDainian Tomlinson.
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I really never though this ....
…. guy lived up to his draft status . He had his best season last year with 79 catches , 1248 yards and 5 TD’s . Before that he was average at best , including their Super Bowl season in which he caught 52 catches and 972 yards with 8TD’s . He’s an average player with average numbers and I personally am glad we didn’t trade for him . He’s a thug with a checkered past and really I don’t consider this a missed opportunity . Our WR’s are young and full of talent and didn’t need Holmes bad influence on the field or in the locker room .
Also the Jets can have all the talent in the world , but getting them to play up to that talent is a different story . Cro is a first round bust , Bralyon is a first round bust and Holmes is soon to be labeled the same .
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 12, 2010 1:48 AM CDT reply actions
I hope the Jets win the AFC Conference championship this year
that being said… i’m beyond happpy somebody else picked him up, thus ending the “should we go for holmes…he’s not that big of a bad guy” discussion
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by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't see racist in that
Just ill informed or bitter.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 12, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a running joke
that he and a few of the other members here have going. Don’t worry about it. :]
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Apr 12, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
What makes it more enjoyable
is that some people still get their feathers ruffled, keeps it going
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 13, 2010 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I know
I just feel bad for the newbies sometimes… I wouldn’t have said anything, but two of them asked what was up. Haha
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Apr 13, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Or is this sour grapes?
Calling Holmes a twit and a pothead I could agree with but not with thug. He also has a good rep in the locker room and on the field.
Most WR takes 3 years before the have their breakout seasons and his was last year. He performs in the clutch and especially in the big games. I don’t remember Steelers fans complaining about his play though some were worried about his love of weed.
Ryan seems to be having no problem getting his player playing to their potential. I think they are now the #1 choice for the AFC championship (barring injuries) and possibly the Super Bowl. It pains me to say that asI have been a Steelers fan for almost 40 years and I am not happy with this trade but that is the way I see it.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 12, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
For the Steelers Org
it had to be the right move, early to nip these situations in the bud, regardless of who threw the glass, he’s had a couple of incidents, and with the Rothliswhatever bad press, it was time to send a message.
a move had to be made, it was Holmes or your Franchise QB.
the Bears are longstanding non-tolerant of players misgivings off the field, so it shouldnt come as any surprise why they didnt pursue somebody perceived in a bad light
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
really?
Not a thug? He was a drug dealer growing up and he choked a woman unconscious in college! Sounds like more than just a twit to me.
by Neal Anderson on Apr 12, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
wow. i didnt even know about the chokeout
pretty much cements the point i was trying to drive home
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The choking incident is one I missed so I will give you back the thug
He probably is just a rental but for a team that is close, a team looking to win it all this year, a 5th rounder for him is a steal.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 12, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
It really depends on the make up of the team...
For us it really isn’t worth it specially knowing he’s going to be out the first four games of the year. If you don’t have a lot of young players you believe it, it could be worth it, but if you do it’s definitely not.
Why pay for a one year rental that you may not want your young guys learning from anyway that is going to enter near the half-way point of the year with zero chemistry with his QB.
Just bad for us, and honestly probably bad for the Jets with Sanchez.
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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 12, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Santonio Holmes choked some woman unconscience in college, was charged was assault and battery on the mother of his kids, and that’s on top of general thug behavior like throwing drinks in some females face and getting high against the leagues drug policy.
I understand this is one of your players, or was one of your players anyway, but seriously a usually friendly thug is still a thug.
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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 12, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
see above
I had forgotten the choking thing. The drink thing was dismissed and it is going to be a civil case so I will keep an open mind about it.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 12, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't mind supporting your players when it comes to piddly or unsubstantiated things...
But a pattern is a pattern, and living in PA I can tell you this guy does get good press with the bad, but the Bears are a team that doesn’t really tolerate repeated issues even if they are later proven to be questionable.
See: Tank Johnson/Cedric Benson.
It’s just hard to give someone the benefit of the doubt when they have a history of similar actions.
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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 12, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree with your assessment of him being average
Don’t disagree about the the thug thing, but the guyy was superbowl MVP and a very good year last year. The reason his numbers were less in prior years were that Hines Ward was the primary and it has been transitioning to him now. They were also more of a running team and he was still learning the system. All progressions on the way up and he could be a star. We should have taken the flier for the 5th rounder and see how he behaved for the years before doing any longer term deal. I think I would rather see him running routes than bennett or Hester that is for sure.
" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-
Just sayin'
The numbers Holmes put up last year, were his best. This is true. It’s also true that last year was the first time, maybe even in decades, that PITT. was a pass first (heavily!) team. Holmes was never asked to have to produce big yardage games, because that wouldn’t jive with their kind of offensive game plan. At least to me PITT. always seemed to put almost every facet of the game before passing.Not last year though. Jeesh 500 yds. in a game! Also the stats you quoted are (SADLY) pretty decent for a Chi. receiver. & I love the BEARS!!! Just sayin though.
Per Eric Stangel's Twitter:
Jets trade for Santonio Holmes. Makes sense. They want to win now. They’d have to wait til 2011 for Plaxico Burress
LOL Saw that.
and from @TruMcBride:
If I played for da steelers I wonder if they would’ve traded me for a future undrafted free agent or just said f**k it yall can have him?
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
More people should be pissed at this from a Bears standpoint
There is no way in hell that the Steelers just willingly gave up Holmes for a 5th round pick to a team in the AFC. A team that was on the brink of the Superbowl at that. If the Steelers did that then there is some serious issues with the Steelers management.
A 5th round pick?? For a guy that could or solved all of our problems at the position for the next 5 years?? A Superbowl MVP on a rookie contract??? UNBELIEVABLE!
According to this the steelers...
… “called everyone” so i’m pretty sure the bears did have a chance but opted to just pass.
Holmes gave himself away
with the scrutiny Pitt is under right now… there was no way, facing a 4-game suspension, and a contract due up, that he was going to garner a high round pick… nobody wants a headache…especially us.
superbowl MVP in this light, is about as relevant as saying “pro bowl player” at this point.
he made a great catch yes.
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
2 words... Plaxico Burress
We were trying to get him last season so not taking a flier on Holmes makes no sense to me.
I don't remember that
so i can’t speak on it, other than to say he’s a scumbag too, and i would have advocated the Bears not pursuin him either, and quietly celebrated when the Bears could no longer have attained him, upon his imprisonment.
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't remember last offseason
the Bears inquiring about Buress? He was trying to get a stay out of jail to maybe play with the Bears.
I remember Layer Mayer
writing that it was highly unlikely the Bears pursure Burress because he
1. Shot Himself
2. was going to jail
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
it had more to do with him being in jail for 2 years i think they could care less if he shoots himself as long as he plucks down the catches
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 12, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember
I believe it was JA who mentioned it in one of his interviews with Larry M.
i also remember alot of people
on this site were all for it.
Last year's recurring Plaxico stories
were 99% media-generated speculation. Lovie Smith gave his usual “We’re always looking to make our team better” speech, but Jerry Angelo flat out said the Bears were not interested in Plax.
Then again, we never know what gets discussed behind closed doors.
I heard the Bears were interested in a trade with...
The Toronto Argonauts for Brandon Rideau for Dez Clark…
Behind closed doors of course.
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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 12, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
a friend of mine
who’s related to somebody who knows someone who knows something… Todd Johnson is coming back to be our Safety… print it
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by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard something similar...
But it was Brad Johnson coming to be our Safety.
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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 12, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
if im not mistake i heard
Cutler reached out to him? soon after becoming a bear that could be all media
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 12, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutler supposedly sent Plax a text message.
I remember too, the Chicago media pressing our players to comment on Plaxico; a few players made comments about Plax’s talent, and that got spun into “Bears players begging for the team to sign Plaxico.”
I remember Cutler saying he never did that...
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by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 12, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry bruh you're wrong
There was speculation that the Bears tried to get him. Mainly media.
Both Turner and Smith denied ever trying to get Burress, as did Angelo.
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Why be pissed
he’s good but not great & would cost money we need to spend on the oline and at safety. Our reciever corp is not that bad, its just young.
most sites are blocked at work
but what i can find is this
at least 3 arrests, Disorderly Conduct, Domestic Violence, Assault… which doesn’t include the arrest for Marijuania possession, and now this publicity at the club.
in less than 3 seasons, thats 4 arrests minimum, and at least 4 or 5 different legal issues… oh yeah, this guy has model citizen written ALL OVER him.
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by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
And his suspension is set
just hasn’t been announced, is my understanding
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by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Jay, a 5th round pick.
A 5th rounder is worth it just to see what the possibility is. This is a team that was trying to get Plaxico Burress and he’s in Jail! And draft Lance Louis who has a checkered past. Nah the Bears blew this one.
Well there you go then
Lance Louis is our bad boy… who by the way, got into a a fight. far as i know, thats his only charge, although i’m willing to stand corrected…but from where i sit, thats way less offensive than Holmes’ rap sheet.
it’s a 5th rounder for a contract year, in which his demands will be enormous, AND it’s only 12 games he’ll be playing in.
5th rounder… i see the logic, what will we get for our 5th rounder? we won’t know until draft day.
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by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Right
Well I just figure that for a team going for it all anyway this year, that they’d be willing to gamble on him. I mean this could be Lovie’s and Angelo’s last go at it so why not. But who knows, maybe that have something up their sleeves for draft day and need the pick to make something happen like moving up.
I hope so
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by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I finally get to use this line:
“What!? This guy is awesome! He got me SOO many points on my fantasy team last season!”
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
I hear he's amazing in Madden too
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 12, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bears did miss out...
on getting a vet WR who could have added to an inexperienced WR corps. Not really all that upset about Holmes in particular, but the Bears could easily have done this deal. There has been a great deal of clamor about the Bears needing a vet back-up QB, but, IMO, getting a vet WR on this offense is much more important. I think Hester, Knox, DA, and Bennett are all fine, but the Bears still need a star #1 WR. Holmes fit that bill and was had for a 5th round pick. Unless DA emerges as THE go to guy on this offense, this Bears offense will be lots of running around and little production.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
the guy is vastly overrated
Why would we need Holmes when we have Johnny Knox. they’re pretty much the same type of receiver.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 12, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions
Because the former
has a Superbowl MVP trophy, Superbowl ring, and over 1200 yards receiving In the last year and a half?
the former also has a four game suspension, multiple legal disputes, and a one year contract.
If those credentials form the basis of your argument, i have two words for you:
Deion Branch.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Apr 12, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A 5th round pick
That’s all it took to take a chance on the guy. You’re trying to compare Knox to him? Come on. I hope you’re right. But having him along with the other WRs on the roster could’ve been a plus.
no no no
to much of a liability for a one and done, plus he is only playing a garunteed 12 games, pending on his injury issues, could be less. The guy has trouble written all over him.
But allas, the fact of the matter is, the Bears organization finally made sense and passed on Holmes. Which was a great thing.
Theypassed on him, which means they didn’t sign him, which means he’s not on our team, which means we candrop talking about him. If you want to talk about him head on over to the Jets forum
Peace
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Say what?
You do know the point of a sports blog right? It’s to talk about subjects involving sports, which means to have an opinion, which means to actually make some sense about things involving sports. If you don’t want to do that then you can head away from this blog.
Peace out
Well you can
talk about it all you want.
The fact of the matter is, the Bears did not sign Holmes. Period.
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on Apr 13, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
P.S
Peace is never “out” bruh
=]
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by suckmyditka on Apr 13, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
we spent a 5th round pick on Knox
and took a chance. we’re set
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by BearNecessities on Apr 13, 2010 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions
It's simple
The Jets are a run first team with an overrated QB in Sanchez. Edwards wasn’t that much better in NY than he was in Cleveland. Holmes is good but not great. Holmes had a good year last year because Ward was almost always the recipient of double teams. it took Holmes 4 years to live up to his 1st round status. Knox was a low round draft pick who is only going to get better and in the long run he will prove to be far better than Holmes. And if we’re going to give up any form of picks for a receiver I’d rather it be Marshall
I am not upset at the fact we missed out on Holmes.He is good on the Football field yet a wreck off the gridiron ……….
by I love football! on Apr 12, 2010 9:17 PM CDT reply actions
Ok I know the guy has had a few isues but...
Come on! It was only a fifth round pick! Seriously, what can the Bears do with it? Holmes might give us a few headaches but much more production than that pick probably ever will.
We drafted Knox out of the fifth round.
I know how you feel and to be honest I felt the same way.But lets think about this,off the field issues+1 year contract+first 4 games suspension+1less year Johnny Knox or Bennet will get to learn Mike Marts system.The negatives out weight the positives and we could draft a player in the 5th round like Robert Johnson, or the linebacker from Penn.
by I love football! on Apr 12, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant for Knox or Bennet to adjust on the field not the playbook btw….*
by I love football! on Apr 12, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Well in that case
They better draft a linebacker or some other position in the draft. Because if they turnaround and draft a WR with their 4th or 5th round pick, then it really did make more sense to take a chance on Holmes.
Won't happen...
We’re already stacked with young talent at WR, so much so that we can’t even get ST guys onto the 53 man at the position.
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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 13, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
If we're going to get a WR in the first place.
It would be Holt because he knows the system and excels in this system…….
by I love football! on Apr 13, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
With Omiyale moving to RT (finally)
Looks like we’ll be looking at a guard. We’ll see how it plays out.
by GriggsBriggs on Apr 20, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Another reason management sucks
A second round pick for Gaines Adams gets a green light, but a 5th rounder for Holmes doesn’t. wtf.
It would of been really nice to have that second round pick this year………….
by I love football! on Apr 13, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the difference is...
Gaines Adams was a classic case of “buy low” mentality. He still had all the skills he was drafted for from college, just never produced and the Bears thought they could fix it.
If so, it would have been like getting a Peppers level DE for a 2nd rounder and a cheap contract.
Alas, it wasn’t to be. However, I think Adams had more upside than Holmes does, WR with checkered past and unreliable production that is going to want a big contract. Meh. As I’ve said a few times, if I didn’t like our young guys, I’d probably still not want him, but could see the argument, as is, it seems like a waste of a 5th rounder.
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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 13, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Super Bowl MVP > MVP of nothing
“if so” maybe, but at no time was it. IMO a 2nd rounder was way too high for Adams, but a 5th rounder is super cheap for a young Super Bowl MVP WR, especially considering how mad we are at wr.
WR is hardly our biggest need.
And we’re limited on picks this year, in serious need of young O-linemen and someone who can keep a seat locked down in the FS/SS game of musical chairs. If Santonio was a big fella, like Cutler seems to like, maybe… but we’ve got a few 5-11ish guys with speed already.
Yeah, but that's not exactly a stamp of supreme approval...
Deion Branch won one too, and Holmes MVP was almost entirely predicated on catching the winning TD with a toe tap, and the final drive in general.
That makes him a good receiver, but still doesn’t make him consistent.
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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 13, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't buy much lower
than a 5th round pick
That's like saying...
You’d buy a case of crabs if the price was cheap enough.
Some things aren’t value no matter how cheap they are, this is one of them.
Simply put, and if I wasn’t completely on board for Anquan Boldin or Brandon Marshall, both of which are much better players than Holmes, then it’s a tough sell no matter the price. I want our plethora of young receivers to develop before Cutler is 35.
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But Holmes
is already developed. Why worry about whether our young receivers will develop if we can get a guy who is already playing at a high level?
By the way, your crabs analogy is one of the worst I’ve seen on a blog, and that’s saying something. There is nothing good about getting crabs, and you obviously wouldn’t pay to get an STD, regardless of how cheap they are. Holmes does have redeeeming value—he’s a good WR, the downside is he’s a knucklehead.
And if you wouldn’t be on board with getting Boldin or Marshall, then there’s really no point in talking to you.
DEJESUS!!!
the downside is he’s aknuckleheadcriminal
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by BearNecessities on Apr 15, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I still think a 5th round pick is too low for him.
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