Most Likely To Succeed: Vick or Grossman?
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 12, 2010 1:30 PM CDT
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This should get some juices flowing, but we wanted to get some feedback about who everyone thinks is more likely to get their career back on track. Michael Vick (always a popular topic here on WCG) is slated to be the #2 QB in Philadelphia, but with Kevin Kolb not really established who knows what the future holds.
Then, over in Washington, newly acquired QB Donovan McNabb is their clear cut #1 and with Jason Campbell on his way out of town, Rex Grossman will be the Redskin backup.
Vick has had the more noteworthy career thus far with 3 Pro Bowls on his resume, but those were more for his legs than his arm. Even though in his career he has thrown 72 TD passes to 52 Ints. His 75.9 rating is average at best, but he is the type of exciting play-maker that's in demand by many fans. If Kolb falters I wonder how quickly the Eagle faithful will turn on him and call for Vick?
Grossman was signed by the Redskins after playing in Houston with offensive play caller Kyle Shanahan, who now will be calling plays for his dad Mike in Washington. The talent is there, as evidenced by his great run to start the 2006 season which had his name in the early MVP discussions. His career rating of 69.5 is hurt by his frequent interceptions, 36 to 33 career TD's. I find it interesting that an offensive genius like Mike Shanahan would want someone most Bears fans perceive as damaged goods.
Even though McNabb has been fairly durable he is going to turn 34 in November, and he's only played in all 16 games once since 2003. Maybe Grossman gets a chance this year.
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I went with Vick. Neither is exceptionally accurate, both has a big arm, but Vick can kill you with the run, and Rex might get killed if he were to run.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 12, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
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by David Taylor on Apr 12, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
At least he didn't say...
on his stomach, just like I remember. ;)
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Vick used to be able to kill you with the run.
He isn’t very fast (relatively speaking) anymore. I remember watching him play this year and thinking “wow he is just not the same guy”.
Vick broke off a big run against the Bears
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 12, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're a dog...
Vick can also kill you with a shovel, a body slam, a barrel of water, or some electrical cord. Forgiveness and all that aside, I can’t believe he’s back in the league. Rex, hands down.
nope, never.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Apr 12, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
we knew it!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 12, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I chose Vick.
With no real reason other than I see Vick getting the opportunity first – due to either an injury or Kolb just plain sucking.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on Apr 12, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Wondered the same.
Rexy might do well under Shanny if he gets the chance, and unless the line improves, he probably will. But I think its a good fit.
With Vick relegated to the “Wildcat” stuff he can still be effective but he’s not the reason McNabb was sent packing.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
I was looking for the neither option too.
Being a Bears fan and seeing Gross-Man with my own eyes, I don’t see how he was even drafted. Vick at least had scrambling ability. That being said, the other aspects of his game was sub-par to say the least. I’d hate to have these two as my only options to QB my team.
Neither is ALWAYS an option. As in I voted for neither by abstaining from voting.
Because (if I must Mr. Noble) I don’t think either will be given any true opportunities to start given who they’re currently backing up. Kolb looked good last season and Mc Nabb is pretty good and they should be decent for at least a year or two (longer for Kolb) and by then the window on both is closing rapidly. I don’t think either will make any more significant contributions to any team.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
But, Mr. Just, while your logic is not faulty,
keep in mind each of the two players in question is only bound to their respective teams for only a year. So, should injury not occur to either of the starting QBs, we could very well see Mr. Vick or Mr. Sexy get a chance in another team’s uniform the following year.
The 2011 season
Could either be another chance for those two, more likely for Vick. He has proven he can lead a team. Both have winning records, 38-28-1, versus Grossman, 19-12-0. But Grossman lead a superior team. Grossman has also shown recently his struggles whenever he has been called on to play, where as Vick has performed very well this past season in his limited role. Also Grossman is injury ridden and has only played all 16 games in one season. While neither will become starters next season, in 2011 Vick, to me, has the better chance of starting. Plus he sells tickets.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 13, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Neither quarterback, when they were available as free agents, was pursued by any NFL teams as anything more than a backup or at best competition for another QB. I don’t see any reason that will change with one more year on the bench.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
That was this past season
I never though McNabb would get traded, Vince Young or Alex Smith would start again, and the Delhellome would ever win a starting job anywhere but with the Panthers. While I agree that this is just an either/or situation, you never know what could happen.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 13, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
true
You never can tell what will happen to an NFL QB
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 13, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Vick has more to work with than Sexy Rexy if he gets a chance to start.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
If someone had told me two months ago
that Donovon McNabb and Rex Grossman would be the 1-2 punch in Washington for the 2010 season, I would have experienced First Degree Head Asplosion.
Uh-oh, First Degree Head Asplosion?
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Apr 12, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
just to good
We are who we think we are.
by Bearfan1973 on Apr 12, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd go with Vick
Mostly due to the fact that is was Kyle Shanahan who convinced his dad to bring Rex to Washington. If Rex was well-liked by the big cheese then I’d venture to say that McNabb would not have been brought to the Skins and Rex would’ve been given the chance to compete with Campbell for the starting job. and remember that Mike named Campbell the starter before the McNabb trade. And speaking to a lot of Eagles fans they like Vick and would be more than happy to have him start.
I think Campbell will stay
And beat Grossman out for the #2 spot.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
he's not at mini camp
and I thought I heard the Skins told him to stay away
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 15, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I know he's not at camp
But I haven’t heard about him being told to stay away, and that doesn’t really make sense either. He is a leader on that team and a lot of players respect him.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 17, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Vick is still the better athlete - by far
And that allows him to make mistakes and still get big plays. Grossman has never really been able to make good decisions. I guess we’ll see if that changes in a new system.
Going with Rex
Still wear my Grossman jersey proud. In my eyes the best prospect since Jimbo i still remember in 2005 we were playing atlanta and noodle arm was stinking it up all you could hear were we want rex chants and in the second half the place Asploded(lol couldnt help it) and that got 10 times crazier when we hit Muhammad with that 20 yard strike on his first pass.
Honestly no one knows the real deal with Kolb as in how good he will be so we dont know how much of a shot vick gets and if hes still even there.
Rex’s chances depend on Mcnabbs health but he gets a chance to work with a great offensive mind in Shanny much better than Ron Turner
(T) Rex
Rex has got the Shanahans behind him, can’t ask for much better coaching, Grossman will make the old Bears look stupid just like all the other offensive players that were lucky enough to get cut. This year I think Martz and Cutler are going to have a ball!!
was rex's career really ever "on track"?
If you take out the first 4 weeks of 2006, the answer is no
To me it's Vick
Vick will still get playing time in Philly, even if it’s limited and come next season will be picked up after his contract expires. Grossman is going to have to compete with Campbell, who just signed his tender. I don’t think Grossman will be able to outplay Campbell for the #2 spot on the roster despite Shanny liking him. Grossman won’t get the chance to even show if he is worth it or not.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Sir
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Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 13, 2010 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions
oh totally
he’s just a winner… all around
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 13, 2010 5:39 AM CDT up reply actions
In my mind!
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 13, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude I had an argument about KO v Jay this morning.
I wanted to slap the kid in the face seriously he said Jay sucks he’s horrible blah blah blah, you guys should’ve kept KO. So i brought logic to the fight (yeah I know who uses logic.) I said to him you’ve been in the AF for less than a year just like Jay has been with the Bears for only one season; so based on your logic you suck just like he does. I said to him would I expect him to give me the same level of work performance as someone who has been doing the job for 4 years? He said no, then I said why is Jay any different. Of course I also brought up that fact that Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal just weren’t as good without Jay and his savior KO was the one throwing them the ball. I’m kind of over the whole who is better debate.
Just call me Mr. 3000.
by Ditkavsworld on Apr 13, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
you should have challenged him to
a game of Rock, Paper, Rank… and then told him to sit down
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 14, 2010 4:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually made him clean the latrine.
Just call me Mr. 3000.
by Ditkavsworld on Apr 14, 2010 5:07 AM CDT up reply actions
sweet
“who sucks now Airman!”
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 14, 2010 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I also explained to them how we test for biological, chemical or nuclear
contamintion when there is no testing equiment available.
Just call me Mr. 3000.
by Ditkavsworld on Apr 14, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
ROFL
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 15, 2010 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 13, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Went with Vick
If that OL doesn’t improve and Grossman gets into the game teams will just rush to a spot where they know Grossman will be (just like they did in Chi) and Grossman will go down.
We are who we think we are.
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