The Bears Den: April 14, 2010
by Dane Noble on Apr 14, 2010 7:16 AM CDT
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...where our pipe dream of having a Cutler to Marshall reunion got put to rest.
Dave Toub spent time in Italy recently, and helped coach a football team with one of his former players.
Brad Biggs takes a comprehensive look at Drafts since Lovie Smith came to Chicago. Don't miss this one.
Dan Pompei writes about how Pisa Tinoisamoa makes the Bears LB corp among the best in the NFL.
Julius Peppers thinks the entire Bears defensive unit could be among the best in the NFL.
Brandon Marshall is headed to the Miami Dolphins for two 2nd round draft picks, per Adam Shefter.
Get Twitterized, WCG-style!
Agent Drew Rosenhaus says that Ogunleye still has quality years left and won't settle for just any offer.
Former Bears RB Thomas Jones not worried about numbers in KC as much as helping them to win.
So, what's the deal with the release of the 2010 schedule?
The most recent version of one of my favorite Team Reports, straight from USA Today.
A list of players who will be at this year's Bears Expo... will you be there?
Tommie Harris sounds off on his expectations for the upcoming season.
And finally, Daily Norseman has a piece up about the Bears... head over and see what you think.
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how do you know?
How do you know Jerry wasn’t grinding his brain and breaking the bank to get this guy?
It all comes down to we didn’t have enough fire power to match two second rounders
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Or
They thought the receivers already on the roster were good enough thus explaining the lack of effort to bring in an experienced receiver
by frenchbears113 on Apr 14, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey man
if Martz thinks that the recievers will be fine, then I believe him.
He has a lot more experience doing this than either of us do, or anyone on this site for that matter.
You have to understand that the Bears can’t trade for or sign every good player that comes available. Who’s to say that we didn’t offer Marshall an offer and he didn’t want to play in Chicago?
But it all comes down to the fact that the Broncos wanted two second rounders or something of equal value, and in order for the Bears to do this they would have had to package their 3rd and possibley a player this eyar and their second rounder next year.
Why would they do that when they are already short on draft picks, next year’s draft class will be one of the best in recent years, and the potential player they would need to trade would have to be one of our better ones seeing as the Broncos would need to find value in him.
This trade just doesn’t make sense in context.
Would i love to see Brandon Marshall in a Bears uniform, catching passes from Jay Cutler? Hell yeah i would. Do i think they should have traded the house to try and quire him? No. Not one bit.
Good job by the Bears’ FO on this one
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
im glad he ended up in miami if he wasnt coming here...
I like Miami. I would still like to add a reciever. We don’t exactly have the healthiest bunch of recievers. Is Ginn as bad as his highlight reel? The few times I saw him he looked pretty bad. I think we should bring someone in, but not for a ransom.
by Ryan21 on Apr 14, 2010 8:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ginn is just
terrible….Not abad return man, but he can’t catch for crap
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
I see your point but
Who’s to say any of the FO and coaching staff will be around next year? And I don’t buy that marshall would have turned down an offer to play with cutler and play in martz’s offense? I’m more inclined to think the broncos turned down a fictitious offer but let’s agree to disagree. Go Bears
by frenchbears113 on Apr 14, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but that's because
he gave away a 2nd rounder for the late Gaines Adams. This wasn’t bad because he unfortunately died, but because he could’ve waited and got Gaines in the offseason. Miami got Marshall for a 2nd rounder this year and next year. Angelo should’ve lost his job for that move alone.
by Dils on Apr 14, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even if we offered the same deal.......
They would of refused it.Do you imagine the press and the publicity blow back if they would of traded there 2 best players to the same team in 2 years!No way Jose,this would never happen……
by I love football! on Apr 14, 2010 8:52 AM CDT reply actions
They would have refused it. Can you imagine the press and the publicity blowback if they would have traded their 2 best players to the same team in 2 years?
Or, for that matter, how many more idiots we would’ve had coming over to tell us how rubbish Brandon Marshall is without Kyle Orton throwing to him…..
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
i shudder at the prospect
“you know Marshall set the single season receiving record with Orton throwing to him”…..ugh, headache
the upside is that the fans will be bothering phinside this year
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 14, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Manumamamamamamamala Lmao ! It was a good post even if he was hard on the Bears………..
by I love football! on Apr 14, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions
From the Sean Jensen article on Harris
Harris:
‘I feel I owe this game because I’m a premier player, and I didn’t play like one last year,‘’ Harris told the Sun-Times. ’’So I’m doing everything in my power to make up for everything that happened last year.‘’
Jensen:
Harris wasn’t satisfied with his performance last season, even though he was slowed by a knee injury. But he insisted he won’t use injury as an excuse
Harris:
‘’The biggest thing is, every good player has a drop-off, and it’s how you come back from that,‘’ he said. ’’It’s going to mean so much more to me when I come back from this.’’
Question
Was this article and quotes written in 2007, 2008 or 2009?
by rdent4hof on Apr 14, 2010 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
same old same old from Harris
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 14, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Have to stay positive
The talent is still there, but who knows about how his knee feels.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
He's looking ahead to his next contract so his knee should start feeling better
He’ll still need to keep up his not practicing though.
USED to be a premier player, he means.
But maybe Peppers will draw enough heat to let Harris sniff the QB a little more this year.
For US $40 million, I hope he’ll do more than just sniff the QB (for the love of Ditka, there’s no need to photoshop this, smudgers)…..
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
by Spongie on Apr 14, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about...
Inhale deeply the smell of fear generated by pressuring the QB? I don’t care much about sacks, but hits and hurries are huge. $40 mil ought to buy that at least.
Anyone who thought the Bears had a snowball chance in hell
of getting marshall was delusional
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 14, 2010 9:13 AM CDT reply actions
I totally agree. Fans behave as if free agent WRs are lining up to come to the Bears and are willing to give the team a discount.
Besides, probably half the teams need, and would love to have, a player with Marshall’s abilities. Let’s face it, he’s a tremendous player with serious personal issues that could blow up at any time. Since when have players of that sort flourished with the Bears?
The Norseman
Their writers don’t bother me…some of their comment folk could learn a little more about realistic football.
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
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Yeah i thought that was a pretty well written article
but we don’t really go there, they don’t really come here, and it’s probably best that way.
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 14, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Lol
The writers seem to be fine, at least from a big picture point of view, but some of the users…gah.
I can’t wait til Favre makes up his mind. Hopefully he leads them on as long as he can again. That team with Rosenfels or Jackson just pales by comparison.
It’s such a shame that tfrabotta is banned from there :-D
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
it's cause they
are such nice people over there
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 14, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it was a good article
but I still thought some of it was a little too much (maybe I am just too much of a Bears homer). I think that neglecting to mention Cutler’s improvements over the last 2 games was a bit of a miss. I was going to join to post that (and this video to remind them) but membership doesn’t start for a day. And now that I think about it, that’s probably for the best. I don’t need to be a rabble rouser.
"Dick Butkus once tackled the Packers."
"Dick Butkus played all 11 defensive positions...at the same time."
"Dick Butkus once sacked a quarterback simply by looking at him."
by Sam Householder on Apr 14, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, they didn’t mention our overtime win (which, if I’m realistic, owed a lot to their playcalling in the first half) but the article did say Cutler’s too talented not to shine, and that we could potentially set records with the Martz offense (yardage & TDs / ints & sacks, “possibly both”).
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
they mentioned us beating them last year
which by default, was the OT win.
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 14, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
They didn’t mention how good he was in that, I should have said. I do wonder if he didn’t start changing the plays that Ron Turner called, as Jim McMahon used to do back in the day, in the last couple of games.
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
Yeah... don't start fights!
I have a problem…
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Apr 14, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate the one day rule :(
I wanted to go correct them on a few things…
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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 14, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
ha!
I’ll have to go check that out!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 14, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
It's necessary.
Stupid spambots, ruining things for everyone.
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
Writer at windycitygridiron.com -/-I http://www.twitter.com/kdoggers
Son of a...
LM: Do you see the Bears upgrading the safety position in free agency or the draft, or would you be comfortable starting the season with players currently on the roster?
JA: Right now we would be comfortable starting with the present cast of players at the position. We looked at a veteran safety, but we felt that we wanted to pass on that. We just didn’t feel the timing was right. So we’ll just wait and see. Again, you’re not going to field a Pro Bowler at every position, and you don’t have to. The players that we presently have we feel good about. But we always want to create competition and better depth
JA being Jerry Angelo
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 14, 2010 11:01 AM CDT reply actions
I suppose that any recognition of the fact that our secondary gave up 28 passing TDs last season (according to the Norseman article), and that we’ve been missing effective safety play for so many seasons despite sort of addressing the need in the draft for so many consecutive years, would be tantamount to admitting that his drafting has been appalling, as per the Brad Biggs link above.
Why that should be given that he’s a former scout (and therefore, one would assume, knows something about evaluating personnel), I would love to know.
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
drafting a safety or DB
in the 4th 5th 6th or 7th round, should not be considered addressing a need.
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 14, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
its all lies!!!
We r trading up and he don’t want no one to know. Bye bye Olsen to the pats for one of their #2’s.
by Ryan21 on Apr 14, 2010 12:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Pats got their TE
they don’t need Olsen anymore, they got crumpler
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Crumpler is soft
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 14, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Algae! how many td's did he catch last year?
Dez Clark is better than him. So are the rest of out TE’s. The Bears are saying how much they are in love with Olsen. When a team says that, that players is on the block. I like Olsen but if we can get a stud FS I say DO it. Otherswise, we need to keep him and watch him catch 10 td’s this year.
by Ryan21 on Apr 14, 2010 4:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
How about Olsen for Otogwe?
I could see it happening. The Rams will take a QB for sure, so they’ll want someone for their shiny new toy to throw to.
but we need a pro bowler at every DL position....
he similarly neglects the WR corp. 6th round secondary v. a 5th wrs practice against each other. no wonder they do not improve.
Whathe said is true.
We won’t have a Pro Bowler everywhere but A PRO BOWLER (LB) asked for a Vet FS.
Something to Think About
I just realized we are playing the AFC East this year, which now means we face Randy Moss, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards AND Brandon Marshall. And JA said that FS isn’t something he’s overly concerned about?!
7-9 all over again.
"Dick Butkus once tackled the Packers."
"Dick Butkus played all 11 defensive positions...at the same time."
"Dick Butkus once sacked a quarterback simply by looking at him."
by Sam Householder on Apr 14, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions
wel at least 2 of those guys are on the same team
And if we can’t beat Henne and the fins, we r lost anyway. The Jets will be tough and Peanut owns Moss.
by Ryan21 on Apr 14, 2010 4:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but
Our secondary got torched last year a couple of times and we also face DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and Miles Austin.
"Dick Butkus once tackled the Packers."
"Dick Butkus played all 11 defensive positions...at the same time."
"Dick Butkus once sacked a quarterback simply by looking at him."
by Sam Householder on Apr 14, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The Dolphins aren't that bad.
They’ll contend for that division this year.
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hi dane
its j-man i have a idea for u i work with the SD bloger its called the last word with j-man i do it about once a week duing football season its where i break down the AFC west i was thinking i couild do something like that with u for the NFC north just a idea
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
I think that could be really cool!
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
by Ashley Czuba on Apr 14, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds good to me.
But what’s your knowledge base of the Norris division? Just wondering what insight an AFC west fan could bring to our blog.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
good q
just dave really good q here a base of it SEASON REVIEW 09 CHI – CUTLER was hamped by inc play and the D was a shell of themselvs but with peppers on the egde and mike maratz O the bears couild win the north if the young players delop GB- i had mixed feelings about A rogers until 09 but GB has a weak line and a ava running game but a stong WR core GB D tailed off at the end and woodson and harris are getting older if green bay does not improve their o-line they will not make the playoffs in 10 DET they are takeing baby steps stafford took a beating but keep ticking detroit had a nice draft in 09 adding 4 rookies starters petriew delmas levy stafford but they still have a long way to go will not win more than 5 games in 10 MINN farve will he or wont he he is hamlet lol or a drama quenn the sad thing is i liked the guy utnail 2005 they have a good team if he comes back AP is great ut he fumbles too much they have welpon on the outside and a stong D-line minn is the team to beat in 10 unless brett fauve old age creep up on him
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
Thanks for the reply
And it is always good to have an “outsider” perspective. This was a good take and I hope you continue to provide an unbiased take on Bears football. Thanks.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
np
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
J-man
that sounds awesome!
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 15, 2010 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry for the late reply homie,
but it sounds like a unanimous decision from all of us here. Sounds like a big undertaking, but if you can make it happen, then you’ve got plenty of FanPost space to call your own.
Good to hear from you brother man.
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