What can the Bears actually do with no picks in the 1st 2 rounds?

by EmmCeee on Apr 16, 2010 12:18 PM CDT

The NFL draft is almost upon us and everyone has their opinions on what the Bears will/should do. It's part of the excitement the drafts brings.

As we all know or for some who dont know, Every pick in the draft has a "value" and a numerical number that goes with it. For instance the 1st overall pick has a value of 3000 points and theoretically any trade of draft picks for that 1st overall pick would have to equal that number. The Bears have pick 75 which is valued at 215 points, pick 109 =76pts, 141=35.5,181=19, and 218 =4.2. That is what we have to work with in this years draft.

I Included the pick value chart so you can check it out and come up with your own scenarios of what you would do to move up and pick the best safety possible.

Round 1		Round 2		Round 3		Round 4		Round 5		Round 6		Round 7
1	3,000	33	580	65	265	97	112	129	43	161	27	193	14.2
2	2,600	34	560	66	260	98	108	130	42	162	26.6	194	13.8
3	2,200	35	550	67	255	99	104	131	41	163	26.2	195	13.4
4	1,800	36	540	68	250	100	100	132	40	164	25.8	196	13
5	1,700	37	530	69	245	101	96	133	39.5	165	25.4	197	12.6
6	1,600	38	520	70	240	102	92	134	39	166	25	198	12.2
7	1,500	39	510	71	235	103	88	135	38.5	167	24.6	199	11.8
8	1,400	40	500	72	230	104	86	136	38	168	24.2	200	11.4
9	1,350	41	490	73	225	105	84	137	37.5	169	23.8	201	11
10	1,300	42	480	74	220	106	82	138	37	170	23.4	202	10.6
11	1,250	43	470	75	215	107	80	139	36.5	171	23	203	10.2
12	1,200	44	460	76	210	108	78	140	36	172	22.6	204	9.8
13	1,150	45	450	77	205	109	76	141	35.5	173	22.2	205	9.4
14	1,100	46	440	78	200	110	74	142	35	174	21.8	206	9
15	1,050	47	430	79	195	111	72	143	34.5	175	21.4	207	8.6
16	1,000	48	420	80	190	112	70	144	34	176	21	208	8.2
17	950	49	410	81	185	113	68	145	33.5	177	20.6	209	7.8
18	900	50	400	82	180	114	66	146	33	178	20.2	210	7.4
19	875	51	390	83	175	115	64	147	32.6	179	19.8	211	7
20	850	52	380	84	170	116	62	148	32.2	180	19.4	212	6.6
21	800	53	370	85	165	117	60	149	31.8	181	19	213	6.2
22	780	54	360	86	160	118	58	150	31.4	182	18.6	214	5.8
23	760	55	350	87	155	119	56	151	31	183	18.2	215	5.4
24	740	56	340	88	150	120	54	152	30.6	184	17.8	216	5
25	720	57	330	89	145	121	52	153	30.2	185	17.4	217	4.6
26	700	58	320	90	140	122	50	154	29.8	186	17	218	4.2
27	680	59	310	91	136	123	49	155	29.4	187	16.6	219	3.8
28	660	60	300	92	132	124	48	156	29	188	16.2	220	3.4
29	640	61	292	93	128	125	47	157	28.6	189	15.8	221	3
30	620	62	284	94	124	126	46	158	28.2	190	15.4	222	2.6
31	600	63	276	95	120	127	45	159	27.8	191	15	223	2.3
32	590	64	270	96	116	128	44	160	27.4	192	14.6	224	2

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2 things

1. Can you source where you got the chart from?

2. They can chill out for a while and watch other teams overpay.

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by Kev H on Apr 16, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions

I've used that chart in a few posts

Here’s a link to one – LINK!

I used it to explain why the Bears did not overpay for Cutler. As seen here. And that was before the value of Johnny Knox was established as pretty good.

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 16, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions

Foolish man.

I don’t read your posts. Too many words and well thought out explanations, not enough screaming that the team has a billion dollars and should overpay everyone.

I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves

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by Kev H on Apr 16, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions

lol!

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 16, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions

have a few bears

by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 16, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions

or beers

by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 16, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions

OVERPAY!?!?!

wtf Kev H!? put down the Lovie Koolaid (its ok if smudgers runs with a lovie koolaid man photo).

1st and 2nd round rookie contracts are some of the best values and the best talent.

by No It All on Apr 21, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Play Golf???

or watch the drunken Jerry jones video over and over…

" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-

by tfrabotta on Apr 16, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions

Isn't it crazy that someone

named Tom Brady was basically a “20” point pick and Jamarcus Russell was 3,000…

" We get off the bus running! What do you mean we are a passing team? you don't agree with how I do things? You're fired!"
- Lovie Smith-

by tfrabotta on Apr 16, 2010 1:23 PM CDT reply actions

lol

Good analogy… And after all of the hype – who would’ve guessed that Russell would turn out to be such a massive bust?

by JimmyMack on Apr 19, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions

me

by Jesse07 on Apr 20, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Sean Jensen article in today’s Den points out that this year’s 2nd round draft picks are likely to be valued slightly higher than usual, given the deep nature of this year’s draft class. Trading up is, therefore, going to be prohibitively expensive in terms of what we could package for it.

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by Spongie on Apr 16, 2010 1:32 PM CDT reply actions

Honestly if we're gonna trade up ....

…. we need to go all in and trade into the first round and grab a top tier player . Maybe not Berry due to he’ll be taken high but Earl Thomas would be nice .

by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 16, 2010 1:49 PM CDT reply actions

To trade up,

J.A. will need a magic lamp.

by Big Ike on Apr 16, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Agreed +1

by chiguy8506 on Apr 17, 2010 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions

The old Jimmy johnson trade chart.

I have read alot of articles about how they have(or should) adjusted that chart becasue it over values the higher first round picks due to the outragoues contracts they are getting and the lack of desire to trade up for them.

by Jhitt81 on Apr 16, 2010 1:55 PM CDT reply actions

The Bears can save money...

and finally not waste another draft pick on an underachieving DE. If Hester or Olsen could be traded for a high 2nd rounder, it might be worth it, but I really do not see this draft as one to trade up. IMO, a trade has to get the best guy available; not just a “better” guy. So if Berry and Mays are near impossible to trade up to get, why trade what talent you do have for 3rd or fourth best prospective talent? Although I get the sense that JA/Lovie are cooking up something, I hope they sit tight, draft some quality depth and go get Atogwe.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Apr 17, 2010 6:52 AM CDT reply actions

Why get mays?

by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 17, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions

You're missing the point...

It’s not really about the specific players per se, it’s about trading up (or trading away talent) to get the 3rd/4th/5th ranked prospect. That makes little sense. IMO, it’s better to overpay for vet FA, at least you know what you are getting for the most part. And IF you are trying to trade up, it had better be for a good reason; like the best (insert position here) in the draft who is very likely to solidify that position for the next 5-10 years.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Apr 18, 2010 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions

Like someone else said, drink and wait.

Then watch JA draft an unknown project at DE from a school we’ve never heard of. Like a reliable clock, he’ll then take an unheralded SS-type and say he has the skills to be our new FS.

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by propheteer on Apr 17, 2010 11:01 AM CDT reply actions

i wouldn't be shocked if JA did this again

"Do or do not... there is no try." - Yoda

by Maelvampyre on Apr 17, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions

Wouldn't be shocked

But I’d definitely be pissed, that’s for sure.

Chevelle and Three Days Grace??? Fuc*ing AWESOME!!!

by Acreman20 on Apr 17, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Ditto

I have a really bad, eery feeling like it’s going to be groundhog day again in the Bears draft room. I hope not, but it wouldn’t shock any of us.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Apr 18, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions

I have heard of Vandebuilt

and Albeline Christian

by TheMan1 on Apr 19, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions

He should draft Olin's replacement

You can get a stud center in round 3 (just ask Olin). High time to do so.

by Orval Overall on Apr 18, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions

I think we can wait on that.

We have more pressing concerns for this season.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Apr 18, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Gotta agree with Polish ....

….. on this one . We really need a FS more than a center in the third round . Eric Olsen will be there in the 4th and maybe even the 5th and he would be a great pick up in either of those rounds.

by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 18, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions

Thinking too much

most good players in the NFL are drafted in the 3rd-5th rounds. No, I don’t have proof or the time to look it up but I’m sure of it. Maybe one of our research gurus on the board can find my proof or prove me wrong. Great college players don’t make great or even good pro players quit often. Examples:
Enis
McKnown
Terrell
Hell even Reggie bush hasn’t done anything of note in the league.
Bottom line, don’t put too much into where our picks lie. 54 & 91 are our only high draft picks that have made the pro bowl a few times. Thats the case with most teams

by jay42 on Apr 19, 2010 9:17 AM CDT reply actions

Hear Hear

on that but Reggie Bush has made a pretty significant impact. he’s their Devin Hester, he has to be accounted for constantly, he’s pretty dynamic.

he just doesn’t fill the typical #1 position role, he’s a great fill in, rotational player, thats why NO picked up his 9 million roster bonus this year

Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear

by BearNecessities on Apr 19, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions

Buuuutttt

Reggie Bush was a top 5 pick. Hester was in the 2nd round.

Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda

by suckmyditka on Apr 19, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions

however, you can’t plug hester in everywhere and watch him flourish. you can with Reggie… as would be expected a top 5 pick

Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear

by BearNecessities on Apr 20, 2010 3:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Bush isn't a bum

but Huston did the right thing picking M. Williams

by jay42 on Apr 19, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

I would say

most elite players are drafted in the first round, but most starters are drafted in the middle rounders. There are lots and lots of exceptions to both, especially on the Bears, who are one of, if not the worst in the league at picking in the first round.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Apr 19, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions

I would have to say Detroit and Oakland at least are worse than Chicago in the first round. A lot of teams have failures where the Bears usually pick in the middle of the first round. Very few have the number of failures at the high picks Detroit and Oakland have had. And if you go back several years the Bengals would fit into that as well although they have improved greatly recently. Basically all you have to do is look at records to see who drafted poorly in most cases.

by hiflew on Apr 19, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions

I would argue

they do so bad with early 1st round picks because they seemingly have more high 1st rd picks than anyone else. On a percentage bases, I bet the’re not too much better or worse than the rest of the league

by jay42 on Apr 21, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions