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Making the Tough Choice - Free Safety or Guard

Draft Day is only a few days away and while we aren't likely to be making any picks the first day, what happens that day is going to greatly effect our decisions on Day 2. It's incredibly difficult to make a successful mock draft as the draft is a living breathing entity, it changes and morphs while it is in process.

For example, if you see two offensive tackles go it's not uncommon to see a run begin on the position for those with need leading to a depleted position when you get to the third round and later. It's not uncommon to see players taken up to 20 places above their overall ranking due to needs and runs so it becomes very difficult to get a firm grasp of who is actually going to be there for you.

However, we do have one thing going for us when it comes to making the pick. We know what we need as a team, we now know we need a G, and we need a FS, and we need them to start. Follow me below the fold where I'll hedge a few bets and make the call on who I want to see as a Bear come draft day.

Star-divide

Alright, so what kind of field are we going to be looking at in the third round? First and foremost I think it's a given that there is going to be a healthy run on offensive tackles in the first round. I wouldn't be surprised to see the record broken for the number of OT taken on the first day, with close to 11 guys having first round grades. You add to this the bumper crop of  around twenty defensive linemen that have first day grades and the star picks at other positions such as Eric Berry, Joe Haden, Earl Thomas, Taylor Mays, C.J. Spiller, Dez Bryant, Jermaine Gresham. Throw in the five QB with first day grades, and you've got an extremely loaded top end of this draft. What does this mean for us?

My best guess is you'll not see a huge run on the FS position due to the large amount of depth. Berry/Thomas/Mays will be taken in the first round by those with needs at the position, with only Mays really having a chance at going for other reasons. Nate Allen will likely be taken in the second by someone with FS as a secondary need, or someone with a vet FS who may be getting put out to pasture. However, there are quite a few teams with SS needs, so while the safeties are going to get culled in the second, other than Allen I don't see it being any of the guys on our board.

Safeties that should be on our board: : Morgan Burnett/Darrell Stuckey/Major Wright/Myron Lewis/

Rashad Jones and Kam Chancellor are mirrors of each other on this one where Rashad Jones has the 40 time of a tweener FS, and Chancellor has the 40 time of a tweener SS. 40 times aren't everything so if you like one of these guys, feel free to make them your fifth safety on the board.

As far as Guard goes, this could be a position that gets nailed, but I doubt it as the league still doesn't place that much value on the guard position compared to tackle. Mike Iupati will go in the late first round. The only other guard I see even having a chance to go before the third round hits is the Illinois product Jon Asamoah. With that said guard is deep on the back end, not the front, and after Iupati there are only about four guys worth taking in the third round. There are a ton of guys that would be a steal in the 6th or 7th, but would be reaches of epic proportions if taken any earlier. 

So where does that leave us? I think we're going to be looking at the beginning of the third round with Iupati and Asamoah both off the board, and Allen off as well for those that were looking at him falling like a rock into our laps. There are multiple teams ahead of us that are in need of line help as well, and this isn't a deep class. So if we're looking at getting a starter at LG it'll need to be in this round, and we may even need to trade away our 5th to get a guy we're looking at. My pick is going to be to go Guard for this reason, and my personal player of choice would be Mitch ' Don't Call Me Jon' Petrus. He's extremely athletic, and his only primary knock was a lack of strength, which seems to be negated by his impressive bench score at the combine. That doesn't absolve him of strength issues, it does mean that his strength issue is likely more of a applied strength technique issue, something that should be resolvable by Tice. His athleticism seemed to fit him very well in college though, with his pass blocking being exceptionally good. However, even if Petrus isn't there I think think the pick has to be G if any of the four listed are there as they won't be by the time it comes back around, while one of the four at S is almost guaranteed to be there in the fourth.

My final verdict is guard in the third round, what does everyone else think?

Poll
It is Round 3 - Your favorite two prospects from these likely lists at Guard and Free Safety are on the board, which do you pick? FS: Morgan Burnett/Darrell Stuckey/Major Wright/Myron Lewis G: Jon Asamoah/Mitch Petrus/Mike Johnson/Zane Beadles
Free Safety
224 votes
Guard
157 votes

381 votes | Poll has closed

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It would have to be a safety

Getting that one position filled completes your ENTIRE defense….You cant pass that up especially being a “defensive” minded team

It's playoff time and im in *sshole mode circa 09 Mamba...**ck your team and their title chances.

by EmmCeee on Apr 20, 2010 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I have to agree

The Bears are a FS away from being a solid defense.

by Dominique Blanton on Apr 20, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You've got a point...

But do you think Morgan Burnett/Darrell Stuckey/Major Wright/Myron Lewis will all be gone by the time we pick in the fourth round?

I just think there is a lot more depth at FS than there is at G in this draft. One of the four should still be there in the fourth, but with there only being about four or five guards total with around 3rd round grades it’s entirely possible there won’t be one there for us in the fourth if we go FS in the third.

I think if we go FS in the third we absolutely would need to trade up back into the third to make sure that we get a guy that can start at LG.

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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 20, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post, and interesting argument for taking a Guard rather than a FS even though, on an emotional level, I’m screaming out for a true FS. I guess if a couple of those FS prospects are off the board then they might pull the trigger early, and it wouldn’t worry me too much if that happens.

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by Spongie on Apr 20, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see the argument...

but I agree for a different reason. I would rather see the Bears get a CB in the 3rd, a G in the fourth, and Atogwe after the draft. I don’t see Tillman surviving more than 6-8 games this season and Bowman and Graham are not #1 guys. Great #2s, just not #1s. That leaves a journeyman CB and a complete unknown as backups. There will be plenty of G prospects in the 4th because Gs just do not go as fast as other positions and teams tend to reach at RTs and LTs first and wait on the true Gs past one or two.

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by LostInSTL on Apr 20, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guards don't go fast...

But there are literally only 5 with 1st through 4th round grades. Five. There may be a prospect left in the 4th, but there certainly won’t be plenty, and they likely won’t be able to start.

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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 20, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

ZOMG DOUBLE POST

Oh, and I’d still rather have Atogwe over our entire draft, and just shove Beekman back at LG. :P

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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 20, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have the $$ for Atogwe

Cutting Brown was 5.5 mil and Vasher another 2 mil. It’ll take 7 mil or there abouts to get Atogwe and he won’t cost us a draft pick. After playing on the Rams Defense The names of Urlacher, Briggs, Peppers, and Harris sell themselves. This franchise started out free agency great, now is not the time to go half-assed with half measures. Picks 3,4, and 5 should go to FINALLY rebuild a crumbling Offensive Line, LG, RT,and Center in order of best available when out turn comes up.
This is not Rocket Science!

by pete banachi on Apr 21, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

The math

$25m – what the Bears Brass approved for bringing in new players
- $20m – Peppers’ 2010 money
- $7m – Manu’s 2010 money
- $7m – Taylor’s 2010 money
- $1m – Jennings’ 2010 money
- – - – - – - – - –
- $10m – in the hole
+ $3m – cutting Vasher
+ $4m – cutting Pace
+ $5.5m – cutting Brown
- – - – - – - – - –
+ $2.5m surplus from that original $25m
So, that’s $35m in new money for these four players, the Bears were given $25m.

I highly doubt $2.5m will be enough to lure Atogwe to Chicago. Plus, we’ll still most likely sign some players post draft. I’d love to have him on our team, but I just don’t see it happening.

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by David Taylor on Apr 21, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Peppers

He should not be counted as 20 million, his contract shrinks significantly after this year and It should average contract rather than this years contract.
I’m just trying to make it make sense to get Atogwe..

by DaHamsta on Apr 21, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

unfortunately,

I don’t think it works that way.

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Apr 21, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

As long as the cap is not in place...

it doesn’t matter. The Bears could get him if they wanted to. My newest musing is trading D Manning for Atogwe. That way both teams fill needs, both players get a fresh start on a team that can better use their talents, and money concerns can be worked out to everyone’s benefit.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Apr 22, 2010 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree about the cap.

I was simply going off the numbers of what they said they would allot for new player acquisitions. Although teams are going to have to move forward as if a cap will be in place in the future. If we continue to load up on incredibly rich deals, we may destroy our team from within when a new CBA is agreed upon.

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Apr 22, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

What, you mean Tim Tebow and Kam Chancellor are unavailable?????

puke.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Apr 20, 2010 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Nicely done.

In a bizarre and vaguely disgusting fashion….

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on Apr 20, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the thought. :]

The little cute, little gross thought… :P

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by Ashley Czuba on Apr 20, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

This :-D

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Apr 20, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eeeww...

enough with the kitties barfing! Lol. They’re always cute… but I like mine clean! :]
funny pictures of cats with captions

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by Ashley Czuba on Apr 20, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

icanhascheezburger

makes me want to slap people in the face.

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by Kev H on Apr 21, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Smack that kitty in the face...

…see what happens… grouch. :P

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

by Ashley Czuba on Apr 21, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cats are the devil.

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by Kev H on Apr 21, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes they are.

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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Apr 21, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like cats...

But only cats that aren’t all prim and better than their owners. I like Ninja Cats that want nothing more than to do crazy clips, jump on high stuff, and give you dead animals as sacrifice to your greatness.

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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 21, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

FS over LG

I trust Beekman a lot more than any of our safeties currently on our roster. With that said, if Burnett or Wright are available they have to pounce. If not, they could attempt to trade down and garner another pick- take Johnson and whoever is remaining out of the safeties you listed.

Would they really need to trade up for this Petrus guy? The only way I see them moving up is to take Allen.

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by propheteer on Apr 20, 2010 11:11 PM CDT reply actions  

If they took a FS in the third?

Yes, he almost without doubt won’t be there in the fourth, and in fact it is quite possible that none of the G mentioned would be there in the fourth.

Petrus is absolutely the best option for us at LG for two reasons, his only flaw keeping from being ranked even higher than what he is is basically being “new” to the position having initially started off at TE and something else. He needs to learn how to use his fairly impressive strength to the best of his ability, which is something Tice should absolutely be able to help him with. He has fantastic bend, and agility, and is known for mirroring very well. Pretty much a perfect fit for a LG, and even better considering CDub’s one knock is his lack of elite strength, and this guy threw up like 35 something reps.

There are some other guys that wouldn’t be bad, but Petrus is a guy I could see starting for 10 years at LG with at least a Garza level of productivity, while some of the others I have mixed feelings about.

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by Jacob Hayes on Apr 21, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I misread when you wanted the Bears to move up in order to nab him. I thought this guy would go in the 2nd- this makes much more sense.

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by propheteer on Apr 21, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Burnett is around they better take him

His stock is rising though and many don’t have him being around.

Like any draft, there are “what if’s” and based on this “what if” both positions are there, I prefer a good FS finally.

The round grade between Burnett (2nd-3rd) and the next rated FS candidate (4th) seems to be a pretty big gap, but all that changes once the draft starts.

by TheMan1 on Apr 21, 2010 7:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Of the guys listed in the poll

I think Burnett and Asamoah are sure bet starters in their 1st season… the other guys all could be starters, but are in that second tier…

With that being said, if Morgan Burnett is there at 75 he is the pick. But I don’t think he or Asamoah will be around at 75.

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 21, 2010 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I didn't see Robert Johnson named

Johnson is the only safety the Bears have worked out twice.

If Johnson isn’t expected to go until the 4th or 5th. I think Guard could be a lock in the third.

by rdent4hof on Apr 21, 2010 9:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Johnson could be had in the 4th maybe the 5th

My post tomorrow will address some options the Bears have in regards to picking up two of the players they covet.

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 21, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spirit them away and don’t let anyone contact them until it comes to our picks?

"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on Apr 21, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at the available FSs and OGs

and pick the guy most likely to be ready to start now.

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Apr 21, 2010 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

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