The Curious Case of Danieal Manning
DMS, Danieal Manning Syndrome, is a process in which a physically talented athlete who plays football is constantly moved and plugged into different holes on the team in the hope that he blossoms into a very good football player. As a result, the player does not develop the proper skills & football I.Q. to excel at any one position.
Is Danieal Manning a free safety, cornerback, nickel back, career backup or just a kick returner? He's been all of the above during his short career with the Bears, and now he might even be the strong safety:
"He'll be a safety," [Lovie] Smith said. "We want to get him in one position and keep him there. He's not going to be flipping back and forth. Strong safety is an option; free safety is still an option." LINK
Newly acquired Tim Jennings and DJ Moore have been the two CB's playing the nickel, so it looks like Manning will be just a safety (and probably help return kickoffs no matter what happens).
What happens on Friday & Saturday during the draft might push Manning into one position or the other. What happens during the rest of free agency after the draft (and after June 1st...hello Atogwe?) might push Manning into one position or the other. I'm going to try and make a case for Danieal Manning to be our starting strong safety.
First, let's determine who is the competition. Craig Steltz, in my opinion, is just not that good. He's out. Josh Bullocks is in the mix for free safety, and that is and has been his primary position, so he's out. That leaves Kevin Payne and Al Afalava.
The tale of tape: (from chicagobears.com roster page LINK)
Al Afalava: 5' 11" , 212 lbs.
Danieal Manning: 5' 11" , 202 lbs.
Kevin Payne: 6' 0" , 212 lbs.
I really can't knock Manning too much here, he's the same height, but just 10 lbs lighter than the other two. If he wanted to sacrifice just a bit of speed (he has lots to spare) for a little bit more bulk, he could probably be just as heavy as the other two.
ProFootballFocus.com stats (For every game [they] analyze and grade every player on every play to provide you with the most in-depth statistics you can find anywhere outside the team's film room.): LINK
Overall Rank / Run / Rush / Cover / Penalty / Tackles / Total Plays / Plays per Tckl
Afalava: -8.4 -5.7 +1.6 -2.8 -1.5 42 834 19.9
Manning: -2.5 +2.4 -1.2 -2.7 -1.0 73 845 11.6
Payne: -7.7 -4.1 +0.3 -2.9 -1.0 36 550 15.3
Of Manning's 845 plays, 691 were at safety & 154 were at nickel back. His 1 interception was at safety (and boy was it a sweet play: LINK to the video).
Manning grades out higher than Payne & Afalava in run defense, overall rank, and plays per tackle. Their coverage & penalty grades are similar. Manning grades a lot lower rushing the passer; however, he did make a great play on Aaron Rodgers in the first game of the year when he sacked him for a safety (LINK to video @1:03 in).
Athletically, Manning has always been considered superior to most players on the Bears roster, which is primarily why he gets all the chances in the world to succeed. But if you don't have the athleticism (see Steltz), all the smarts & drive in the world won't get you on the field.
Statistically, Manning looks like he could be a good strong safety for the Bears. Because the Bears do play Cover-2 a lot of the time, whoever plays strong safety needs to be able to wear both hats. They must be able to move up in the box and play the run (Manning's numbers look good here). They also must be able to cover the deep 1/2 of the field on passing downs (he's got the speed, but sometimes lacks the instincts). Manning does have a lot of experience now compared to Payne and Afalava. By being a free safety and nickel back, Manning, as a strong safety, would be able to cover the deep 1/2 of the field when needed & cover guys 1-on-1 when asked.
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Always good to see DMS explained
I would have no problem with Manning at SS
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 21, 2010 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
My 1st reaction was bad idea;
however, after researching it, I’m OK with it. Obviously, training camp & preseason performance will tell the tale. An SS who plays up near the box, will have to take on run blockers time to time. I don’t know if DM has ever had to do that.
by Mike Mueller on Apr 21, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Ideally you'd like
both the SS and FS to have the speed to cover ground in the Tampa 2
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 21, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
His Speed on the field is definitely something we need
Especially with the likes of jennings and harvin in the division
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 21, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
really need to cut all the "could haves" from this team
and just get a legit safety group together. all these guys would be great rotational/back-ups, but none of them have proven they can start. maybe Payne at SS, but they yanked him around a bunch too.
ruining their careers
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 21, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions
The other pick from that Browns game was pretty sweet too.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
I'd be fine with Manning at SS . He's got ....
…. the speed to cover and as long as we leave him there he could be a good SS . One issue though …. we’d be moving our only true FS to a position where we’re already pretty good . Lava played well as a rookie and Payne good be a great player if given a chance . Now if we draft a FS move Manning and that could be great for us ! Two safeties that have great cover skills would give us a good defensive backfield .
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 21, 2010 11:45 AM CDT reply actions
He's the next #1 receiver for your Chicago Bears.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
or, now that Michael McCaskey has announced his retirement
we could have the fastest Chairman of the Board in the league!
I'm sure that Lovie will give him a look at DT...
now that Izzy is getting “locked into one position” at DE. I hear we like our D-Line undersized and quick. DM fits the bill.
What's that? Ah -- Playoffs? Don't talk about -- playoffs?! You kidding me?! Playoffs?! - Jim Mora
nickle and returner
when he played nickle back in 2008 he was damn good. At saftey he’s a backup.
I agree
Nickle was the only place I saw him make any real impact. Manning at FS is a nonstarter for me. Every time there’s a big pass play by the opposing team (see Superbowl), you can expect to see Daniel manning coming into the picture jogging pass the WR while he’s getting ready to spike the football.
I had to chuckle at that mental picture
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 22, 2010 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that Payne has played pretty well.
Anyone know why exactly Payne fell out of favor last season? A case of Corey Graham Syndrome (a.k.a. Mysterious Doghouse Syndrome)?
I think giving up that TD in the first Green Bay game last year did him in
which is a shame because I really think he could’ve blossomed if he got the chance to play the whole season at SS (I’m sensing a recurring theme here…).
by NorthSideBearsFan on Apr 21, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Payne simply bit on thinking it was a run
he was too close to the line, Vasher was supposed to be out in deep cover as the FS(if i remember) and blew it too.
but judging by the gravity of that game, we needed to win it. i think they punished them, knowing that play lost the game for us. even though nothing happened to Ditkavsworld’s boy Mannelly for that bothced snap
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 22, 2010 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions
On DMS
Nickle and returns.
Not hefty or agressive enough for SS. Makes a lot of tackles but when he misses they are Lulu’s.
Not enough FBI to recognize coverages as a FS and out of position more times than the Gatorade Jug :(
Yup! a one-on-one nickle and return man, a please quit screwin with the guy!
I think that if they put him at 1 position and left him there he could be a beast
Whether its FS,SS or CB….There’s alot to be said about constantly practicing at one position and strictly learning that spot and if given the chance he could be a very good player…It hasnt happened yet but i think the coaching staff has finally realized that same point..Better late than never lol
Just because you can run a successful franchise on Madden doesnt mean it translates well to the NFL.....
Here's my question
Did he do poorly at the Nickel back? My understanding was that he was doing pretty well at that. Why change a good thing? Perhaps I am wrong. Let me know.
Reading is good...
Manning
Is a great athlete, but like you said, switching him around only makes it harder to adjust into the NFL. Let him play one position, whether SS, FS, CB, or whatever, and let him master that and play that. While you sometimes see WR throw it, it’s rare, not their main task.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Manning's lack of success is not hard to figure out...
He lacks in the areas where a Cover 2 safety needs to excel. He lacks instinct and “football intelligence” (man that’s a overused euphemism). Basically he’s not smart enough to play arguably the smartest position on the defense; maybe that title goes to MLB, but that’s why I hate superlatives anyway.
The kid has the athleticism to be an above average DB, likely a nickel or dime CB. However, he’s just the worst possible fit for the Cover2 and I blame Lovie and co. for not seeing that. Further, Lovie believed, in spite of Manning’s poor fit, that he could “coach” him to success. You cannot coach speed, instinct, or aptitude. Manning is lacking in 2 of those areas in a position where they are critical. Manning, by all outward appearances, is a good guy and deserves a fresh start on another team.
I would honestly love to see a trade of Manning with STL for Atogwe. It would allow for the money situation to be worked out more easily. For STL, it would give them a return guy they have lacked for years, provide DB depth on a team that could use his talents wisely, and free up the Atogwe money to spend elsewhere. For the Bears it fills a specific need, allows for a draft strategy based on best available players for the sake of adding depth not need, and solidifies a defense that might have 2-3 years to dominate and make the Bears a NFC contender.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
i think we all would
would honestly love to see a trade of Manning with STL for Atogwe
but it’s beyond fantasy. I also question how anyone on here can say he is lacking between the ears, not sure how anyone here can know that.
It's not beyond fantasy...
if there is a change of money. I am not, for a second, suggesting a straight up trade is possible. What I am saying is a way to use the trade of players and money to make it work.
Next, There are only 2 reasons Manning is out of position more often than not:
1. He does not have the physical skills to keep up with faster WRs
or
2. He does not know where he needs to be and misses his assignment.
Obviously, he’s physically talented enough to stay with the WRs. That leaves not knowing his assignment. That is not a physical failing, is it? I guess you could be correct because there is a third possibility, Manning does not want to cover the WRs. He hates being on the Bears and wants to get cut so he can play for another team. Did I astound you with my amazing ability to see stupidity?
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
thanks for the link to profootballfocus
I checked out the team ratings, and it seems the Bears suck equally at both offense and defense. particularly penalties, pass blocking and run defense. But, the real scary thing about these ratings is that they say the Bears are below average accross the board with the exception of passing.
by 62bearsthe best on Apr 22, 2010 8:57 AM CDT reply actions
If you look at the data at this...
You’ll see he was graded out to have only 2 missed tackles. Payne had 4, Afalava had 8.
by Mike Mueller on Apr 22, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

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