Jerry Angelo should trade down. Yes he should.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 11:00 AM CDT
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PrintBefore I get into why I think what I think, I want to preface it with a couple scenarios in which they shouldn't trade down. First off, if Angelo can trade up to take FS Nate Allen of South Florida he should do so. If he's still available in the mid second round trading up could be a possibility. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the 1st round as the 3rd safety drafted.
Secondly, if the Bears #75 pick comes around and sitting there is either FS Morgan Burnett of Georgia Tech or G Jon Asamoah of Illinois you take them. First Burnett then Asamoah in my opinion, but many mocks have them both gone. So if that's the case I don't think any other FS or interior lineman is worthy of pick #75. Jerry Angelo should trade down.
EmmCee was nice enough to post a copy of the Jimmy Johnson draft value chart, seen here. Every team uses some sort of chart to gauge draft pick value, it may not be that exact one, but be assured they all have a chart close at hand. I'll be referencing that chart later in my post so I want you to be aware of which I'll be speaking.
When the Bears finally have a chance to select their free safety draft board might look like this;
FREE SAFETY
Eric Berry - Tennessee
Earl Thomas - Texas
Nate Allen - South Florida
Taylor Mays - USC
Morgan Burnett - Georgia Tech
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah - Indiana (PA)
Myron Lewis - Vanderbilt
Robert Johnson - Utah
Major Wright - Florida
Quentin Scott - Northern Iowa
Those next 4 guys on their FS board could all be had if the Bears drafted further down the draft. Owusu-Ansah may very well be gone, as some teams value him more as a corner. I have seen him going as high as the 2nd round, but most have him in the 3rd-4th round range. Lewis is getting as high of a 3rd round grade, but most scouts assess him as a 4th rounder. Johnson is consistently seen as a 5th round prospect by many, although I think the Bears rate him a tad higher than most. Wright is another 3rd-4th rounder, and Scott is a fast riser with some great measureables. He's more a project guy (6th-7th round) that I wanted to make you all aware of because I can see the Bears taking him late. Scott (6'4" 224) played well in the Texas vs. the Nation All Star Game which the Bears usually scout pretty thoroughly. He ran a 4.4 40 and had a vertical of 35 inches. Athletic kid.
So if the Bears covet either of the next 4 guys on their FS board at least one of them could be drafted further down the 3rd round or early in the 4th. Two more to keep an eye on are Reshad Jones of Georgia and Darrell Stuckey of Kansas. These two are strong safety's that have the speed to play free safety and could be 3rd-4th round possibilities. All this tells me a trade down makes sense.
But lets look at the interior lineman the Bears may target. Their draft board could look like this;
INTERIOR LINEMANC - Maurkice Pouncy - Florida
G -Mike Iupati - Idaho
G - Jon Asamoah - Illinois
G - Vladimir Ducasse - Massachusetts
G - John Jerry - MIssissippi
G - Mitch Petrus - Arkansas
C - Matt Tennant - Boston College
G - Mike Johnson - Alabama
G - Zane Beadles - Utah
G - Marshall Newhouse - TCU
C - J.D. Walton - Baylor
C - Eric Olsen - Notre Dame
C - Ted Larsen - N.C. State
Yeah I know some of those guys could project to right tackle, but I think their best position in the NFL will end up being guard, so I'll put them on the interior lineman board. And I've found a big variance in regards to a lot of lineman with different scouts, so I put together my best guesstimate.
Ducasse and Jerry are two guys that scouts differ on, most have them gone before pick #75 so I'll assume they will be selected. The next 6 of those players are all rated around the 4th round. Olsen and Larsen are both getting the 4th-5th round grade.
Let's say the Bears are really high on Petrus, Johnson, and Beadles. At least one of those guys will be there in the 4th round. Again this tells me trading down makes sense.
So... If Jerry Angelo can trade down from 75 which is worth 215 points (I told you I'd reference that chart), to a later part of the 3rd round and pick up an extra pick in the 4th, giving him 3 picks in that 3rd-4th round range I think he could get his FS and G he covets and pick up an additional player in the process.
Angelo and his staff will have to work the phones but here are some examples of deals he may consider.
The Cardinals have picks 88 (150 pts) and 89 (145 pts) in the 3rd round and pick 123 (49 pts) in the 4th. The Bears could allow Arizona to move up to 75 and pick up their 88 & 123. I wasn't planing on math being in this post, but... Those two Cardinals picks are worth 199 points and the Chicago pick is worth 215 points. So that trade makes mathematical sense. Many times the team initiating the trade will over pay slightly, but the Bears could try and squeeze a late pick to make up the 16 point difference.
The Seahawks hold two 4th round selections at 104 & 127 (131 total pts) and they also hold two 5th round picks, 133 (the 2nd pick in the 5th round worth 39.5 pts) and 139 (36.5 pts). The Seahawks have plenty of ammo to move up to the Bears 75th pick. The Bears could trade down for both those Seattle 4th rounders and pick up a 2011 4th rounder to boot. With three 4th round picks the Bears still should be able to get two of the guys on their draft boards.
The Eagles are sitting at 87 (155 pts), 105 (84 pts), and 121 (52 pts), for them to move up and get the Bears selection at 75 (215 pts), they could send Chicago their 87th & 121st (207 pts), allowing Chicago to move down the 3rd and pick up that extra 4th round pick. If the Bears want that 87th & 105th (239 pts) they would have to find an additional 24 points in one of their late round picks.
These are just a few scenarios Angelo could pursue, working out a three team deal could be in the cards as well. Having only the 1st round on Thursday will give teams all of Thursday night to reevaluate their boards and prep themselves for some trade possibilities.
I'm just thinking out loud here, but the Bears could trade down, fill two needs by drafting both FS Robert Johnson and OG Mitch Petrus, and snap up the best player available. Maybe West Virginia tackle Selvish Capers or Iowa corner Amari Spivey would be sitting there in the 4th. Virginia Tech S/OLB Kam Chancellor would be a viable 4th round option. Picking up some WR depth could happen as well. Or maybe double dipping and getting another FS or G. Trading down usually elicits a cringe from Bears fans, but this time, if things fall just right, the Bears could come away with 2 starters with their first two picks.
I just hope JA doesn't screw anything up...
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NO! TRADE UP!!
there is better talent in the earlier rounds then in the later rounds. I prefer players (or even just one player) that are more talented over players that are less talented.
Um...
trading up was addressed in my second sentence.
He doesn’t have the ammo to get much higher than mid 2nd round (but I don’t think Allen will slip that far), and the value for FS and G in this draft can be found 3rd-4th round
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully Pouncy and Berry slip a little tonight.
If they do, I could see it creating the opposite of a run on the two positions. I’d love to see Berry make it past Cleveland and Pouncy to slide to the late teens.
What's that? Ah -- Playoffs? Don't talk about -- playoffs?! You kidding me?! Playoffs?! - Jim Mora
I think Pouncy might go late teens
Berry top 10 for sure
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You're not talking about Olsen, are you?
Cuz he’s soft.
by oripunk3485 on Apr 22, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
What ammo?
The Bears would have to come up with over 500 points to get to the higher part of the 2nd round… and theur 3rd an d4th round picks are only around 300 points
When you trade away next years picks they don’t carry the same weight, and Angelo is on record as saying he doesn’t want to do that anyway.
The value of Greg Olsen is tarnished with all the Martz drama surrounding him, I doubt he could be moved for a 2nd anymore. And the Bears value their linebackers more than the league because their success came in the system…
But I’d love to hear your insight on what they could do to move up in the draft.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
been here done this
long story short, as an NFL team we DO have enough assets to trade up if we so desire. I think we can use a combo of our depth at LB and picks (this year’s or next year’s) to move up. The possibility of trading Olsen cannot be totally ignored either. Not for or against, but the rumor exists for a reason.
I have never been a fan of trading down (the way the Bears do it). It is one thing to trade a first to stockpile second round picks, but trading out of 3rd for later picks does not provide the influx of young quality talent this team needs. Exhibit A: our secondary is full of late rounders. Our secondary sucks. Exhibit B: our young corps of receivers is similarly from the dregs of the draft (Hester aside) and similarly sucks.
Can Jamar or Roach be traded at this time?
I’m not sure on teh tender rules…
Even if they are tradeable now, are they worth a couple hundred points to teams? And then you have to find a trade partner around the top of the second round that has a LB need, and thinks your guy is better than a guy that could draft.
And in regards to Olsen, who at the top of the 2nd round has a TE need?
When a draft is deep in a particular position you can find a guy that would normally be rated higher late. I’ll use your guy Kam Chancellor as an example, any other year he’s a 2nd round prospect, but this year with so many safetys, he’ll go around the 4th
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure
I think they have more value to Chicago… and many in the league view them both as 4-3 system guys
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to disagree with using our WR as an example.
Knox had an amazing rookie year, and Bennett really started to look good last year.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
I don’t think Knox or Bennett can be titled as “sucks.” Not entirely sure about our secondary either… no one looks good when there’s no pressure on the QB.
The Bears susceptibility to the three-step drop...
…in my humble (and admittedly, somewhat limited) opinion, has as much or more to do with the perplexing lack of DC calls for press coverage than the skills of Tillman, Bowman, and whomever happens to be in at safety.
Nice work.
There’s also one more guy that, should he still be on the board when we pick in the third, we grab him: Ciron Black.
Black is really falling down most mocks
I think he’ll be a good RT/G depth guy… and if coached up he could be starter material
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
He's slipped for what ever reason
and could be had in the 5th… I like his experience and G will be his NFL home
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
His slippage is due to a lack of athleticism
and short arms. But, the athleticism was as a OT… as a Guard, he’d be fine. The guy is a great run blocker, and I don’t think there is any way he falls to the 5th.
OK, good scouting report!
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought you were gonna say kam chancellor
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on Apr 22, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
LSU!
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by Eaten by Bears on Apr 22, 2010 11:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree.
If Burnett is gone, trade down. We can still get the next best FS out there, but we can pick up an additional 4th rounder in the process. Hopefully, Burnett or Asamoah are still there though.
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Seems reasonable..
..Wiltfong makes a compelling argument for trading down, but I can also appreciate what No It All is saying with respect to talent level. Perhaps Angelo will get lucky and all the pieces will fall into place. I agree Nate Allen would be worth trading up for.
"Do or do not... there is no try." - Yoda
I dunno...
I think Petrus is going to be a better LG than everyone else on that list of still availables, with only Beadles IMO having a chance of being his equal. Not only that, I’ll go as far to say that I think Petrus is going to be better than Asamoah.
I just don’t see a legitimate reason if the draft falls like that not to grab Petrus, and then grab Lewis or Johnson in round 4.
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Nice Post and I , for one , agree with you . If ....
…. certain players are still there when we pick grab them up if not trade down and collect some picks .
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 22, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions
You have to take the best available sometimes I think
Like, if Adrian Peterson was available in a draft, but we really needed FS… i still think the offense he brings can counterproduct what a 3rd or 4th round FS would lack.
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by BearNecessities on Apr 22, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
From a FS standppint
If the top 5 on that list are gone, I agree if possible trade down
I do not see a glaring difference between what is left.
One thing is for certain, it is going to be a late night for many teams tonight with the split between rounds.
If FS gone
go for other needs like OL. I think the Bears should stand pat and wait til next years draft. If this year the Bears play as poorly has many think they’ll have a high draft pick. If they play well – Yoo-hoo!
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
They didn’t address FS in last year’s draft, and look where that got us.
Josh Bullocks.
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ugh...
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I just hope JA doesn’t screw anything up…
Best line of the article and what I imagine we are all thinking
and you're thinking that Greg Olsen is soft like a Twinkee filling.
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by Ditkavsworld on Apr 22, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
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by Ditkavsworld on Apr 22, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't underestimate the talent at DEFENSIVE END!
I think you have a good strategy of “needs first”, Les…
… But, perhaps you could broaden your draft view in terms of addressing other concerns on this team besides FS and LG.
Again, nothing is set in stone at the opposite defensive end position. In fact, Julius Peppers position is not really set in stone as the Bears have eluded to the fact that they would be willing to move Peppers all over the DL and have even considered lining him up over the right tackle.
With the availability of so many “natural” 4-3 DEs this year that are not a good fit for 3-4 defenses, the Bears MIGHT be able to get a HIGH-GRADE DE in the 3rd round at #75 if there is not one of the top 5 FS or 3 Guards available at the pick.
Consider this…
… They might even be able to move BACK in the draft and still get the DE they want while picking up an extra 5th or 6th round pick.
THis is a deep draft in several different positions and acquiring talent for DL, OL, or even RB could help the Bears in talent and payroll.
Semper Fi
I think its deeper in DT more so than DE
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Very true!
And there certainly is a need at the opposite tackle position (opposite Tommie Harris).
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Apr 22, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
why does everyone always
give AA the short endo the stick?
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
I like Adams
But every year it seems they don’t play him til that have to
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Adams is a stud in a quick fix...
… But, he hasn’t been used as anything more than that. His run stopping ability is pretty good and he has shown that he can get some pressure on the QB.
It’s a mystery why he isn’t considered a starter on this team, but it’s been Dusty D or someone else in the middle since his arrival.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Apr 22, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve been under the impression that he’s not the quick, undersized lineman that Lovie likes, who can get penetration into the backfield in his one-gap scheme. More knowledgeable gridiron minds than mine have pointed to the linebacker corps’ success early on in the Lovie era when the Bears had large DTs who would each plug a couple of gaps, freeing Urlacher et al. to fly around and make plays; also, Tommie Harris’ best days were when he had a beast next to him in the middle of the line.
Someone (Lester?) wrote a very good post a few months ago saying that it’s all very well having “quick and undersized” in the trenches, but when they’re tired or injury has stripped away their speed asset, all you have left is “undersized” … and we saw our DL get manhandled last season, when we made opposing run offenses look pretty good.
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You can’t mention Keith Traylor without linking to his interception return rumble. I think it’s buried in the terms & conditions when you join WCG; fear not, I have your back.
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Many thanks.
Just like with credit card apps, I guess I should have looked over those terms and conditions more closely.
And here's some D-Lineman I touched on
And I also had them taking a D-Lineman in my last mock draft I did from Tuesday
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I read that one.
I commented on Geno Atkins of Georgia in a nother post you presented eluding to the possibility. I’m referring to this post, which makes great sense— just suggesting that answering the FS and LG dilemma with the 3rd and 4th round pick doesn’t have to be the only option. Especially considering that there are some capable FA and some “trade bait” that would be availabe to the Bears if they were to go another route.
I think you would agree that the DL is not really a position of certainty with the departure of Alex Brown and moving Israel Idonije to DE.
Nor, is the secondary actually a strength as Tillman is consistently on the mend and Bowman is still a question mark as a second corner.
I just see multiple areas that they can address in the event that the player they want at FS or LG in the 3rd is not there.
However, I do agree with your scenario of acquiring the FS or LG that this team needs.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Apr 22, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely
If he does trade down and acquires an extra pick, it will be a D-linemen.
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I don't think
just because Petris, Johnson, and Beadles are there in the third, they will be there in the fourth. I guess I wouldn’t mind trading down later in the third and picking up picks but trading out of the third all together, I can’t get behind that. One of the guards will prob last until the Cards or Eagles picks but not the Hawks. If getting 2 extra fourth round picks is the only trade down option, I say take a guard at 75. This is all based on the FS being gone.
Either way, great post. Looks like you put in some time for this one.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Apr 22, 2010 1:43 PM CDT reply actions
Trading down to later in the 3rd woudl be ideal
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
One of the guards will prob last until the Cards or Eagles picks but not the Hawks.
True, they traded Sims and ditched another one that we tried to claim on waivers?
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I completely agree
If this is how it falls, trade down. It could very easily fall this way so I don’t think this is a far-fetched scenario. Also the Browns have something like 10 or 11 picks so they could always move around.
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by Sam Householder on Apr 22, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions
This is a distint possibility
if those guys mentioned are gone by #75 comes around. What makes me cringe is this sentence…
These two are strong safety’s that have the speed to play free safety and could be 3rd-4th round possibilities.
Please, no more SS-types that “might” have the ability to play centerfield. AA was one of those guys, so was Steltz and Manning (more Lovie’s fault than anything).
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*distinct*
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They are listed as SS on some sites
and as FS on others…
We’re not talking SS Kam Chancellor here! just kidding!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
If anyone can
make the transition to FS it’s Kam. He’s so beastly he can even play the 3-technique under-tackle!
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I disagree with your premise Lester
First, this team is short on top end talent. We have plenty of depth at positions of need (like safety, o-line, etc), but what we lack is difference making players. You are very unlikely to get difference making players in the mid to late rounds. Could happen, but probably won’t.
Second, this draft is deeper than most. That’s not by accident. Nobody knows what will happen with the CBA (lockout, rookie pay scale, etc), so many players came out early. Essentially there is probably 15-30 high end players that would normally have waited til next year to come out that opted into this draft. That means less year’s picks aren’t worth as much as this year’s picks. So Angelo SHOULD be willing to steal from next year’s draft to get into this one. If he can package, say, Olsen and a third from next year’s draft to get into the top half of the second round this year, by all means he should do it.
The Bears need playmakers. They should keep that first and foremost in their head, and figure out how to make that happen.
DEJESUS!!!
he should but he won't
I would but I’m not in charge…
I’d do what ever I could to trade up for Nate Allen… Berry or Thomas would be nice, but they will go too high to trade up for.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Trading a playmaker
for a prospective playmaker isn’t the answer either. I think trading up makes sense, but not at the expense of Olsen. Just because he’s not technically a good fit in the new scheme doesn’t mean he won’t do well.
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One possibility I have floated on other blogs is...
… Greg Olsen and the 3rd rounder for the Bengals 1st rounder.
Bengals need a athletic pass catching TE that can open the field in the AFC North Division (Polamalu and Reed) and the Bears need to get a FS. Taylor Mays would be available at that pick.
Just a thought.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Apr 22, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve seen that floated here before. Olsen would need to gain come character issues pretty quickly before the Bengals would trading for him, though…..
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Could try adding that rap he did at Miami to his resume.
Is that enough for Cincy, or are we talking “Wreck car into lamppost, chased around by girlfriend” level as a requirement?
by Steven Schweickert on Apr 22, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Well they have Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson. If Greg can get drunk and drugged-up in charge of a boat while in possession of illegal firearms, they’ll be on the phone to Jerry in no time.
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
I didn't think Tank was so bad.
Would have liked to see him stay, at least until the breathalyzer results came back. Cedric, who cares… he never wanted to play hard for the Bears.
Probably Doesn't Work
But trade down in the third for an extra 4th, package those 4ths together to get back into the 3rd. This is not likely to work but it will take a 4th and a third and turn it into 2 3rd.
Johnson is consistently seen as a 5th round prospect by many, although I think the Bears rate him a tad higher than most.
…which means Jerry will jump the gun and take him in the 3rd, right?
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
Taking him in the 3rd is a sever reach
which is a big reason they should trade down… he could be had in the late 4th early 5th
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
*severe!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, they should… but this is Jerry. He spent a 3rd round pick on Wolfe.
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
and a 2nd on Bauzin!
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I was about to say that I never saw him play (he was during the period when I drifted away from the sport), but then again I believe nobody did.
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"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
that one was bad...
especially with Okwo in the next round.
I also, at the time, thought he reached on Matt Forte in the 2nd. I thought we could have addressed WR in the 2nd and still taken Forte in the 3rd. Instead he went opposite and got Bennett (who is an okay player, thus far).
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by David Taylor on Apr 22, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No i remember that
a lot of teams had Forte rated a late 1st early 2nd.
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Projected Rounds:
2-3 – NFL Draft Scout. He was ranked as the eighth best RB in that draft class, but was the sixth RB picked.
He was also widely valued below Ray Rice, yet was picked up before him. Some even preferred Kevin Smith over him. Of course none of that really matters, since Chris Johnson was ranked around the 10th best RB in that draft, and you see how that’s gone.
The only reason (I believe) that he was chosen as early as he was is that there was a huge push on RB’s in the first round and the Bears didn’t believe he’d be there in the third. So goes it.
And please don’t take this as me knocking him. I’m glad he’s a Bear. I just thought (at the time) that it was a bit of a reach.
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by David Taylor on Apr 23, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
and he's also the one who
traded out of the first rd and spent his second rd pick on a Manning – a kick return specialist who was taken multiple rounds too early. And then turned around and spent his next pick, in the 2nd round on another kick returner in Hester. Not that either of the two were terrible picks, but the logic was just screwed up all over the board there.
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by David Taylor on Apr 22, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Hester helped a ton in getting the team to the SB
Manning has been solid, but not spectacular everywhere except his natural position. I have no idea why he hasn’t stayed put at one position especially nickel/CB.
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I agree.
Both picks have turned out to be decent, at worst. It’s just the logic of moving out of the first round, and then drafting not one, but two KR’s back-to-back – that just doesn’t make sense to me. Well, that and taking Manning in the second round when he could have easily been had later on in the draft.
Looked up a couple scouting reports on Manning, it’s pretty interesting to read now that he’s been around for a few years – here and here. One of these gave him a third round grade, which was much better than I originally figured.
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by David Taylor on Apr 22, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting read; is there a reason he’s not considered for CB? Seems like it would be a good position based on his physical attributes, and lessen the option-taking that seems to be his weakness. I realise he’s not as big as a cover-2 CB should be, but he’s a better tacker than Vasher ever was.
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I didn't realize he played SS in college
That makes a ton of sense based on JA’s drafting history of safeties.
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I say we trade
No it All and Greg Olsen for a second round pick which we use on Kam Chancellor and a box of twinkies.
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by Just Dave on Apr 22, 2010 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
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by Ditkavsworld on Apr 23, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
HAHA!
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 22, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
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