2010 Chicago Bears/ NFL Draft- Quick Recap
by Dane Noble on Apr 24, 2010 4:22 PM CDT
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After the acquisition of Jay Cutler last year, and the addition of Julius Peppersand Chester Taylor this offseason, the biggest "needs" the Chicago Bears had entering the 2010 NFL Draft were Free Safety and Offensive Guard. There are certainly other areas which could improved, but you can't have a superstar at every position.
How did Jerry Angelo and company do this year? Let's have a quick recap, and you can sound off and pass out grades as you see it.
3rd Round: Major Wright, FS, Florida
4th Round: Corey Wootton, DE, Northwestern
5th Round: Joshua Moore, DB, Kansas St.
6th Round: Dan LeFevour, QB, Central Michigan
7th Round: J'Marcus Webb, OT, West Texas A&M
Angelo and Lovie Smith have both indicated that Wright has the opportunity to start at FS as a rookie, and he certainly has the tools to make an impact. He'll need developing though, and defensive backs coach Jon Hoke will have to make some big strides happen pretty quickly to get Wright up to NFL speed.
Looking at the other selections though, I'm not too sure if any have the ability to make too much of an impact. Wootton may provide solid depth at DE, but likely won't see the field much if everyone else stays healthy. However, Angelo and Smith love their pass rushers, and that's what Wootton can bring to the table.
Moore is certainly not an instant upgrade at CB, but may be able to come in and compete. He'll probably have his chance to impress on special teams; otherwise, he'll just be added depth.
LeFevour was at first a confusing pick, but he was good value in the 6th round. He'll compete from day 1 with Caleb Hanie for the backup QB position.
With the final pick, an offensive lineman. Just like last year's seventh round selection (Lance Louis), Webb will be a project player that can hopefully be molded into a backup lineman.
As far as my grading scale goes, I'd give the Bears a B-. Wright was potentially a good pick, and we may have gotten a couple of solid backups in Wootton and LeFavour. We didn't have a lot to work with, but with position coaches like Rod Marinelli and Mike Tice, hopefully the Bears can continue to develop into a formidable team for the 2010 season.
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B-
They should have went after the Guard that they so desprately needed. I like the picks in Lefevour and THE Major Wright. The DE Corey Wooten not so much. Overall it was alright but could have been way better. Josh Moore was a questionable pick. We can probably convert him to a safety as I see the team doing but he does add depth to the CB position too. Then there is Jamarcus Webb. Pretty solid pick but, regardless of his situation, I would have taken Tony Washington. He I think would have boosted the draft to maybe a B+.
I think overall, it was poor draft by Angelo & Co.
I would give it a C-. Even taking into account that fact that we didn’t get a turn until the 3rd round. The only pick I really liked was Major Wright – he could turn out to be a solid NFL free safety. I didn’t think we needed another DE, and the QB in the 6th round just seems like a wasted pick – almost. His scouting report was pretty negative. And with our O-line in such iffy shape, why wait until it’s almost over to take a tackle – kind of as an after-thought?
kind of like I was thinking...
but I really like the Major Wright pick.
by Merlin Scott on Apr 24, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
We appear to be a team of depth guys and projects. I realise we’re down 2 DL from last year after losing Brown, Adams and Ogunleye, but how many do we really need? As someone said elsewhere, either we’ve got an amazingly talented bench or else someone isn’t good at drafting.
Football may be won and lost in the trenches, but JA seems to have a major blind spot on one side.
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
I give them a B- as well
Wright makes sense.
Wootton I don’t have a big problem with, he could come back big from the ACL this year, and as I’ve said, I think the Brown release was a mistake. Could be a nice value pick.
Moore is the guy I don’t understand. Here, they should have gone with Petrus, who has the physical gifts to be an impact lineman. Unless their scouts thought he was uncoachable, Petrus is an example of a guy who the position coaches should be paid to mold into a high-caliber player. Moore seems like a luxury for a team with other needs and depth at CB (and another guy named Moore who sat all last year.)
Lefevour was a best-player-available pick; I’ll let this one slide for a hometown kid who fell further than he should have. If he’s a serviceable cheap backup, then he’s worth a 6th rounder.
Webb could be a steal. Would have preferred Capers here, though, just based on his coming from a big school program with better coaching. Webb may fit better as an interior lineman, though, if they decide to convert him.
C Plus
I like the Major Wright selection but is was obvious and little imagination was used to move up in the draft. I think the QB LeFevour was a steal in the 6th round. A nice QB to develop for the future. I really don’t understand the 4th Round pick in Corey Wootten at Defensive End. We had bigger needs in a limited draft and should have grabbed the best offensive linemen available in that spot. Angelo like to collect Defensive Linemen like chess pieces. It almost like some kind of sick addiction.
Wootten was a great value where we got him . If not for his injury ...
… he would have been a first or second round pick . If this kid is healthy we just got a Peppers clone . While not as athletically gifted as Peppers this kid is a great run defender and has good pass rush skills . I got a chance to watch a few of his games before the injury and he was a dominiate player before the injury . It generally takes 1 full year to recover from a knee injury and 2 years to round back into preinjury form . So this kid can be solid for us in a rotation . Major Wright is a major upgrade at FS , LeFevour was a steal where we got him , Moore can be an instant special teams star and could be a solid contributer at the nickle spot and Webb could round into a very good guard or tackle . For the picks we had to work with I give us a B+ , because you have to consider Jay Cutler as part of the trade and Wright , Wootten and LeFevour are solid players ( Wright and Wootten could be great in our system ) .
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 24, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I know we needed a guard but...
Odds are you’re not gonna find a guard in the 4th round or later capable of starting right away. We’re weren’t gonna get that instant fix, and while it would’ve been nice to get guy capable of filling that spot in the future, it’s not like we’re loaded at DE and CB for the future either. I don’t know enough about wootton and Moore to comment on them extensively, but I am not gonna fault the bears for not getting a guard.
Brad Miller is god.
I will
but I am not gonna fault the bears for not getting a guard.
They’ve completely ignored (other than Williams and half a point for Beekman) the position the last 5 drafts. We need to get younger and start developing our own offensive linemen or we’ll continue to struggle year in and out. Unforgivable not drafting a young guard.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I think its painfully obvious
that Angelo will NEVER EVER EVER NEVER draft an o line to build the team on like other GMs do….he would rather over spend on aging vets on their last legs and pray to god he can squeeze something ANYTHING out of them than go young and have them learn from their mistakes…..Why I think he is afraid of drafting bust O linemen since that is out of his comfort zone….My guess anyways….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why he should have been fired....
I think he is afraid of drafting bust O linemen since that is out of his comfort zone
right after he forgot to mark “compensation” on Warrick Holdmans restricted free agency status.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Didnt
he also match dewayne bates contract offer from minny kept him for like a week then cut him cause they could not get him to take a pay cut? He did some thing like that….Man….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You have to admit though ...
….. JA didn’t do badly with adding vets on the O-line . Garza and Tait were solid pick ups and Ruben Brown was a stud for us . Now yes he missed on Pace , but he has had success building out line via free agency / restricted free agency . Omiyale was played out of position and moving him back to RT he could prove to be worth the cash we gave him .
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 24, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Only thing
is that he has to over pay them to lure them here…Not to mention while they are serviceable linemen they are not STUD line men that have gone to a pro bowl (other than brown the one year)….Drafting O line Angelo might be able to put together a nice line rather than hoping the aging vets can be serviceable……He can just draft some line men early like in the second, third or even 4th rounds but Angelo refuses to do this….When asked why he did not do this one year he said “well if they were any good they would of went earlier”….I mean are you kidding me?
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
He's right though
Premier offensive line talent almost never slips past the first couple rounds. How many good starting tackles are there out there that fell past the 2nd round? Occasionally, you find a good center or guard in rounds 3-7, but those positions aren’t nearly as important as the tackle spots. DE and CB are much more important spots than G as well. And lest we forget, we’re far from rock solid at those spots.
Brad Miller is god.
The last
few drafts have had C and OG going in the rounds 1 and 2. Though you are correct more OG and Centers are pretty much drafted in the middle of part of the draft. The thing is Angelo will pretty much only draft line men in round 7 and thats it….
And while I do agree with DE and DB are not rock solid for the Bears every year Angelo drafts DE and DBs and has yet to really hit on any of them (with the exception of maybe chris harris, Tillman and to some extent Vasher)….
Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!
- Jerry Angelo on his drafting process
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, its not as though we've ignored the positions (DE&DB)
while we have ignored the O line far far too long.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
It's hard to find good lineman
Past the 2nd, I think we did okay with what we had.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be so sure about that
DE and CB are much more important spots than G as well.
Try telling that to Matt Forte this year, when he’s getting blown up on the goal line.
ESPECIALLY
Unforgivable not drafting a young guard
…when in our division you now have Suh, Raji, and the Williams wall right in our face for 6 games.
Maybe Lance Louis is the young guard with promise?
How high are they on the kid?
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 26, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
We know Wootten is a question mark coming off a knee injury. We roolled the dice with Chris Williams with disc issues in his back when we drafted him. The jury is still out on that pick. I just think we needed to target a different position in the 4th round. Otherwise I was satisfied with the rest of the picks.
Wooten was a fringe 1st rounder
had he come out the year before…
Now he’ll be 2 years removed from his ACl tear, and doctors are giving his a clean bill of health… if he can max his ceiling he’ll be a real good player
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 26, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
D-
You had two big needs coming into this draft; Guard and Free Safety. You addressed 1.5 of them. You took 1 safety and a CB who could become a FS and the team has lots of CB’s already. You’re basically giving up on Melton and Moore from last years draft. We got a big name DE in free agency, cut Brown, and then drafted ANOTHER frickin’ DE. To top it off we did nothing to address guard and as far as bringing in Faneca, we tried that “veteran addition” last year and it wound up making us suckier. Should have gone FS, Guard, rinse and repeat.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I give them what Dane gave them a B-
They only had 5 picks to work with and we have more than 5 holes to fill. I love the Major Wright pick but i didnt like the wooton pick either i honestly dont get it. You draft Gilbert and Melton last year and neither got on the field you need to work them onto the field before drafting ANOTHER d lineman. I agree with you for the most part.
I disagree with you on Faneca being compared to Pace. Pace had injury problems his last few years and it was obvious he was losing a step. Faneca hasn’t missed but 2 yes 2 games in his entire career so we know injury is not a big concern as he maintains healthy usually. He isnt being cut for performance but for his salary his contract was HUGE when he signed and the jets didnt want to carry that along with their other high priced contracts.
I think if we get him(we definitely need to at-least inquire) hell be more of a Ruben Brown if anything be a solid contributor for 3 years and in that time we can devolp some young OFFENSIVE lineman for a change.
I dont know about you guys but i definitely miss me some Ruben Brown.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 24, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
in that time we can devolp some young OFFENSIVE lineman for a change
Undrafted FAs and other teams’ cast-offs? ‘Cos that’s all we have left to pick up when Jerry refuses to draft talent.
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
Giving up?
Not really since there are roster spots available at both positions. I am a little troubled about not drafting a guard cause we’re one injury away from possible trouble.
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Yep and if Cutler didn't run around enough
Last season, and injury could lead to a new personal best in interceptions next season, but lets hope not.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You’re basically giving up on Melton and Moore from last years draft.
If the stories that they’re not high on Melton’s offseason are true, that could be a wasted 4th-rounder there (in addition to his not having contributed after the preseason), and Moore was a 5th-rounder? I read earlier that Jerry said you can’t really grade a draft until 3 years afterwards, but the 2009 one is already sliding down the scales.
"F*** everybody outside of Halas Hall. BEARDOWN" - WavyGravy
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
I hear they are higher on Melton than Gilbert
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 26, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Angelo had to draft a DE
he drafts one every year and I think he feels naked if he doesn’t … everyone says it’s a value pick, but I don’t see it. Wootton will redshirt and we still have to figure out what the hell Gilbert and Melton are worth. Angelo likes to stockpile hoping at least one of the underachieving DEs he picks will overachieve for 1 year (hello Mark Anderson).
rest of the draft was meh. Other than safety, no one plays or sees the field unless there’s an injury.
NFLN
charles davis give the Bears a C: did not fill the needs they had but did take value at the spots they picked
Best player: JaMarcus Webb OT
corey chavous gave a C as well: Not thrilled with what they did but they did not have many picks to work with. LeFevour will be a solid QB in the future
Best pick: Dan LeFevour QB
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
I think a B- is being very kind and generous
Bottom line, hopefully this is Angelo’s last draft with the Chicago Bears. He seems like a nice guy – but from a management perspective he is not a good talent or needs evaluator. I think that he has held this team back with mediocre-to-poor drafts basically ever year since the Super Bowl.
by JimmyMack on Apr 24, 2010 4:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Solid A
Wooten is a monster. In 08 he was a lock for the first or early second round. The knee inNorthwestern fan herejury in their bowl game that year should have kept him out for 18 months; he was back in 9 and played even though he wasn’t fully healthy. that’s why his numbers were off. But by the end of the year he was dominating again. He’s a stud.
LeFevour as a 6th round project is a great investment.
And they filled an immediate need with Wright.
Only need they didn’t fill was OG, but who was available that could have started anyway? They can sign Alan Faneca to fill that need, and do a lot better than the draft would have.
argh - cut/paste fail. "The knee injury..."
by Orval Overall on Apr 24, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Here let me "cut " that for you
Northwestern fan here
Would that explain your love of Wooten? I know little about him but maybe you’re a bit biased? Just sayin’
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
We'll never know
Only need they didn’t fill was OG, but who was available that could have started anyway?
because we never drafted one. Not. Ever. We have 6 CB’s on the roster, but let’s take one moore because we’re set at guard. We have 3 of them and 2 are listed as G/C. Great call Jerry.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
"one moore"
a very appropriate typo : )
by PrincetonCubs on Apr 24, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally give them C-
They took a FS to bad Burnett wasnt there but they took the best FS that most had listed. Heck even seen draftniks say Wright was a 2nd rounder….
Wootten does not fill a need per se but I never EVER liked the Melton pick last year especially in the 4th. Now comes word that the Bears are not impressed with Meltons offseason. Wooten though does have proven production before the injury. I have a funny feeling he beats out not only Melton but before the season is over he will beat out Anderson as well
Josh Moore never heard of him even before the draft really. Reading up on him however who knows. I mean sounds like a good cover 2 corner but according to most the cover 2 is deader than elvis. Besides hes a 5th rounder usually do not expect much from them but another FS made better sense (even though some reports saying that he can play FS I will believe that when I see it)
Dan LeFevour while I am stunned at the pick really cannot but help root for him since he is a HUGE Bears fan. Seen some draftniks say that this was a great value pick since some had him as a 3rd or 4th rounder. Still the Bears did need OL help and could of also drafted another FS, WR, or a DT IMO
JaMarcus Webb I knew they were going to draft him with all the love he was getting in the press especially leading up to the draft. Guess Angelo will only draft line men in the 7th round and IF he EVER hits on one there he will rub it in every ones face and will tell them to STFU about drafting O line early I think…..
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
Actually looking at it again give it a D+
for now…..Hope it turns into an A+ though….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Good thing
I mean sounds like a good cover 2 corner but according to most the cover 2 is deader than elvis
good thing fore Moore and the Cover 2 that elvis has been Abducted not dead.
The cover-2 is run by almost every team
just different variants up front.
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Sorry meant
that many NFL teams are no longer using it as a base defense….That I know of anyways….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha
The Bears have also gone away from it a little more than in the past. Wasn’t it like 30% of the time or something? They had to blitz much more cause their pass rush was awful.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Ya
I remember there was a stat mid season about the Bears blitzing like 65% of the time to lead the NFL at that time….Still couldnt get to the QB though….There blitzes seem so bland…..IMO anyways…..
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
couldn't agree more
i would love to not watch 90 percent of blitzes include lb’s running up the middle and get caught instantly in the twister game of the trenches. that safety blitz where manning nailed rodgers for a safety in the opener on the other hand…more please!
by reefermadness3 on Apr 25, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
The Buccaneers are going back to the Tampa 2 base this year
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 26, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
can't honestly give a rating...
til we see these guys in action after a few months of coaching up to the preseason..2 thumbs up for the FS grab early though..i just hope they plan to bring in another guard.
Any free agent signings yet?
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Solid B
Did pretty well considering what picks we had. Also for the undrafted FA we got:
Freddie Barnes, WR, Chicago
Desi Cullen, P, UConn
Mike Mayberry, LB, Indiana
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Couple of local kids, eh?
by the way, I believe it’s Matt Mayberry (not Mike). He’s a Hinsdale product.
If freddie can
Find his way into the line up he’ll do great in the coming years. Now we need to see who can or cant fit in with martz.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
Agreed there
And with our somewhat shallow receiving corp, he couldn’t hurt.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I think its a deep WR corp
Obviously, someone needs to step up as a #1 guy. Hopefully it’s Aromashadu, cause he’s got the skill.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Ok we have a lot of receivers
Just lacking great ones.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
What Our 4TH Round Pick Should Have Been
Jaques McClendon / Guard Tennessee / 6 ’ 3 324 pounds…………Pick 31 of 4th round / 129 overall…….Drafted by Indianaplolis
Jason Fox / Tackle Miami Florida / 6 ’7 314 pounds………..Pick 30 of 4th round / 128 overall………..Drafted by Detroit
Signed by Vickings
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/p/2010-nfl-undrafted-free-agents.html#comments
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Not signed as of yet
by any team…
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Signed by 9'ers
per NFL.com
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by David Taylor on Apr 24, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Good place for
him to go IMO….Singletary can mentor him and set him on the right path….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently,
the 9’ers were going to draft him in the sixth, even had him on the phone. And then went a different direction. Instead, they got him as a UFA.
from Schefter (on the twittosphere)
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by David Taylor on Apr 24, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Biggs add FS Scott
#Bears are expected to sign Northern Iowa safety Quentin Scott to a free-agent contract. http://bit.ly/aOJsFx
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- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
Grade has to be a C
Overall okay but what did we expect when we didn’t start until rd 3? The only pick I am dissapointed in is wooten. In an uncapped year keep Brown and draft DE next year, we needed a guard. It obviously means that melton is a bust and will be attending the annual bust dinner with Okwo and Bazuin…
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- Lovie Smith-
by tfrabotta on Apr 24, 2010 5:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Biggs tweets
Reports are that the #Bears will sign Michigan’s Brandon Moore WR TE to a free-agent contract.
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
Another one
Ohio State DE Lawrence Wilson expected to sign with Bear per Biggs….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
D-
Major Wright was the only pick that actually addressed a pressing need, and every other pick ignored their need at LG.
Terrible, terrible, terrible. Value when you have a massive hole in the line is not value.
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Shesh thank god the Bears didnt draft this guy
Ayanga Okpokowuruk signed with the giants
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
C
Well, we didn’t have many picks, everyone knows that though. Wright looks nice, and we’ll see how he’s going to come along. However, I am disappointed how JA ignored our need for a guard and went after a QB and DE, both positions that I feel we have secured already.
If Cutler goes down
We are pretty shallow at QB, plus pretty late pick, but I do agree I don’t think we needed another DE.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
+1...
Besides, does anyone (ANYONE) believe he was going to get drafted anyway? Why not wait and sign him off the undrafted scrap heap. If they were concerned about a backup QB that could actually win games (or more importantly not lose them), then sign a vet like McKown or Garcia.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
It was basically a wasted a pick
And if I’m JA, and I’m in a “win or go home” mode – why the hell would I take a “project” QB in the 6th round? If that gonna help us out at all next year, when this kid probably won’t be ready to step in and do anything for at least a couple of years?
agree
thats the pick i scratched my head at.. they have hanie whose talent is still a mystery and now this kid as a" project"? why not go out and get a veteran to back up cutler like kitna or bulger and find out what hanie can do
He was expected to be drafted,
just not by us. Carolina seems to like qb’s from this draft; maybe they’ll trade us Chris Harris back for him.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Sadly... the QB will probably be our best pick of this draft.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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You're giving the Bears a "B-" ? Holy cow.
I’m sitting here looking at the Jets, knowing they want to blitz the hell out of teams with the 46 and run the ball. That’s their identity. So… what do they draft? Another good cover CB, so they can continue to blitz without fear of getting burnt… and a top G and another RB.
Now… think about the Bears last 5 drafts in the same context. They want to generate a pass rush from the font 4… and get off the bus running. Yet, they rarely draft a top pass rusher in the early rounds, and instead trust their “scouting” to pick up a guy on the second day… which has failed them every single friggin draft. And they almost completely ignore the offensive line in every draft. It’s completely a55 backwards.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Angelo to Sackman
“You know who I am? Huh? I am the greatest GM the Bears have known since Jim Finks son! I will draft whom I like and you will like it!”
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by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously though
I do not know if I will watch the Bears draft next season if Angelo is still around. They will probably draft LB, S, and DL with OG in 7….
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by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
It's horrible... it's the exact formula of "how not to draft."
You’re supposed to have an identity of what you want to do well as a team… and you’re supposed to draft to continually build upon those strengths.
That’s why the Ravens, Colts, Steelers, etc are always contending teams. People always say, wow, I can’t believe the Ravens are drafting more defense. They do it, because it’s their strength… it’s how they win… and they can never have enough of it.
The Bears run a defense called the Tampa 2 (and the 2 stands for 2 friggin safeties). Yet, every year… they seemingly cheapskate the safety position and pass rushing positions in the draft… which is the premise of their entire friggin defensive philosophy! It’s completely absurd.
And… to add insult to injury, the most fabulous draft pick that Jerry Angelo has madeand will ever make (Devin Hester), has now been nuetered, by Angelo and Smith: the only two people in the NFL who figured out how to stop Devin Hester.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 25, 2010 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
absurd?
“Yet, every year… they seemingly cheapskate the safety position and pass rushing positions in the draft….”
Their first 2 picks this year were FS and DE. So you should be happy about this. According to your own logic they did draft to continually build upon strengths/ the Tampa 2/ the premise of their friggin defensive philosophy.
I have more faith in Martz giving Hester testicular fortitude than I have had in any Bears OC i can remember.
not really grasping my thought
Look at the last 5 drafts as a whole and then read my comment. They don’t invest their high picks in the positions that matter most to their team.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 25, 2010 7:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
or when angelo does
he picks winners like haynes and bazuin for ends. there should be a law against thieves like bazuin.
i still carry a small amount of (blind) faith that #23 will blossom at least a little bit more where he’s at now
by reefermadness3 on Apr 25, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Matter most to you or the team?
FS, DE, and CB all fall into their scheme, philosophy, or whatever you want to call it. Their pass-rush was the biggest weakeness on the defense last season- based on that they did well. Let’s see if those three will provide a boost. We’re talking about this draft not the past 5 years.
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i think the secondary was the biggest weakness
even the best line can’t get to QBs on 3 step drops. that is why some better corners are needed. We had fewer sacks because we had bad coverage. Think of the “coverage sack” concept.
Wrecked...
You hit the nail on the head. JA and Lovie have no strategy and no ethos, just meaningless words. They do not pick the best available players. They do not address need or depth year on year. They reach at “Hidden Gem” guys that have a high failure rate to show how “clever” they are. This draft is another example of that. Wright does address a need, but only if he becomes a top 5 FS. The Cover2, as you point out, REQUIRES elite safety play to be successful. And yet they never seem to go after a decent safety, but “hope” the 5th or 9th best CB/FS ‘tweener will be the next Tom Flippin’ Brady. I can remember when Dan Bazuin was drafted and I knew then, that there was no strategy. Why spend a 2nd round pick on a guy that they could have gotten in the 7th round or as an UFA.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
The pass rush
was their strategy. How can that not be obvious based on the picks? Btw- ethos means character or disposition, not someone’s or a team’s strategy.
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An ethos...
is a general disposition and can refer to any collection of sentient beings. It is the root of the word ethic-a guiding principle. It’s like when Lovie says, “…we get off the bus running…”. He is articulating his team’s ethos. A team is not an abstract concept, but a specific collection of individuals. The term ethos is absolutely applicable and appropriate. I was making the reference to SackMan’s comment about the Ravens and their team ethos; which is defense first. Lovie and co. keep talking about things that sound like a philosophy or “ethos” but they do not back them up with the adequate actions.
BTW-How does drafting 1 DE make the Bears committed to the “pass rush”? How would not addressing the o-line deficit at LG be committed to “…getting off the bus running…”?
We can debate the merits of this draft, but I see JA and Lovie just flailing at guys without a clear strategy and no cohesive ethos to this team. IMO, that’s why the last few seasons this team seemed disorganized and unprepared. There is no vision or guiding principle, just an unrelenting and rigid adherence to a defense without regard to its evolution. Lovie may be a great teacher, but he’s a terrible leader. He will not make it to 2011.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
Ethos?? Defensive "scheme" or "philosophy". I prefer "scheme". Just sayin.
and my 2 cents are you are on the wrong side of this LIS. I think they nailed it with their first 2 picks (Wright and Wooton). This is the first draft in awhile where their actions make sense. It is one thing to have a preference for a pick at a particular position, but IMO they got 2 guys that will be big time contributors, in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Granted maybe they contribute earlier because we lack depth and talent (Melton, Gilbert)… but that is another discussion….
I understand they're lacking direction on offense
but it sure seems to me they have a plan on defense this season. They added Peppers, Wootten, upgraded Anderson/Izzy, and drafted two pass-defenders that are coming in to compete and possibly start (Wright @ FS/Moore as backup which could eventually start when Peanut gets hurt).
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I think you've hit on JA's most distinguished characteristic as a talent evaluator
He often takes unneeded risks – and he tries to be too “clever.” Basically, he ends up “out-smarting” himself. When he gave up our 2nd rounder last year, on a player who after 2 years in the league appeared to be an NFL bust (or, at best very mediocre), there were a lot of questions about whether or not it was really worth it. And you really had to wonder why he was giving up such a high pick – unnecessarily. This year’s draft has been “classic” Jerry Angelo. With the possible exception of Major Wright, I don’t see anyone that we drafted having much of a chance to help us – if they end up making the roster cut. And we really weren’t able to address our needs on the O-line until the draft was almost over – almost as if it was an after-thought.
Trading away our 2nd rounder is hard to ignore...
IMHumbleO: we did not focus on OL because JA is content with what we have. Just like with the WR situation. He is wrong. This is also why we will not sign Alan Faneca, he doesn’t think OL is a need.
I'd say B
It’s not an "A "because Angelo traded away the 2nd round pick without seeing what the market would demand. God Bless the dead but Gaines Adams would of been had for a 4th ot 5th this offseason instead of a 2nd.
I like the Wright pick. If he’s anything close to Mike Brown, I will be elated. I’m warming up to the Wooten pick. Unless we feel like Anderson is a lock to be great at DE, I think Wooten was worth the gamble. I don’t no much about the corner but if he’s decent then he adds depth to the position. I LOVE the Lefevour pick! I think taking a QB that can be groomed into out backup or possibly trade bait in a couple of years was forward thinking and worth it.
I’m not exactly sure why everyone is hung up on grabbing an OG in this draft with the picks we had. I’m not 100% sure that the Guards left on the board could step in and play right away anyway. I think Garza is fine on the right and I think Beekman will suffice at the left Guard spot. If we go get a FA then fine but if Wright succeeds at FS then this draft was WELL WORTH IT.
Wooten
My problem with Wooten isn’t Anderson… it’s Melton and Gilbert last year. They didn’t even figure out whether they had anything there, and the team had much bigger needs.
I don’t mind the LeFevour pick. The Bears don’t really have any backup plans to Cutler being any less than god at QB. The team did have bigger needs, but the Chargers showed what you can create value out of even an unproven backup.
I really think the Bears should have got a compensatory pick for Gaines Adams, god rest his soul.
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by jameslcrockett on Apr 24, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Wooten, but I agree
JA can’t help himself when it comes to drafting middle round DEs that have no future in the NFL. No way was he passing on Wooten! While this historically pisses me off (Melton and Gilbert), I really like the Wooten pick and I think JA just might have finally done himself a favor there.
D...
or maybe an I for incomplete. Maybe even an E for what we have all come to expect. Different year, same old Jerry. It almost makes me wish McHoodie was running our war room. He may have reached, but at least he addressed the positions of need.
And please Jerry, please… sign Tony Washington and some other OL that went undrafted. Even if they aren’t starters, please bring in some competition and some backup prospects. It’s ungood that Beeks is possibly our starting LG, backup RG and backup C. We need some depth on the line, you a** clown.
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You can say it Smudgers
Jerry Angelo is an ass clown.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I had it typed out a lot worse that that.
And then deleted a few expletives and self-censored the one that was absolutely necessary. After the QB pick in the sixth, I had to go take a shower to wash the dirty feeling off. Sad thing is, it’s probably not that bad of a pick, but after the other selections, and not addressing the OL (yet again) until the seventh… geez!
I honestly wish I could grab Jerry, just once, and shake the stupid out.
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by David Taylor on Apr 24, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
No one has the kind of arm strength it would take to shake the stupid out of JA.
I couldn’t agree more with your comments. I wouldn’t have a problem with the QB pick if you had a full complement of draft picks but since there were only 5 picks total, this was a complete waste. Do we really need a second Caleb Hanie to compete with the first Caleb Hanie? If we need a real backup QB you go with a veteran. Since it’s pretty apparent that he refuses to add O-linemen, there would have been more value in another DB or even a LB who you could at least put on Special Teams.
I really hope this is the last time we have to sit through another Jerry/Lovie draft fiasco.
by BearFan611 on Apr 24, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You had me at
No one has the kind of arm strength it would take to shake the stupid out of JA.
Wrecked sir.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I thought the QB pick in the 6th was fine.
The only thing that sucks about drafting QB when you just get a “franchise quarterback,” ideally you’re only playing one the whole year, so the guy you draft just rides pine or gets groomed to take over when the current guy’s deal ends.
Hopefully, he’s a good three-or-four year insurance policy for Cutler should he get rocked by the NFC North D-Lines we have to face six times a year now… (shudder).
by Steven Schweickert on Apr 25, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought the QB pick in the 6th was fine.
The only thing that sucks about drafting QB when you just get a “franchise quarterback,” ideally you’re only playing one the whole year, so the guy you draft just rides pine or gets groomed to take over when the current guy’s deal ends.
Hopefully, he’s a good three-or-four year insurance policy for Cutler should he get rocked by the NFC North D-Lines we have to face six times a year now… (shudder).
by Steven Schweickert on Apr 25, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought the QB pick in the 6th was fine.
The only thing that sucks about drafting QB when you just get a “franchise quarterback,” ideally you’re only playing one the whole year, so the guy you draft just rides pine or gets groomed to take over when the current guy’s deal ends.
Hopefully, he’s a good three-or-four year insurance policy for Cutler should he get rocked by the NFC North D-Lines we have to face six times a year now… (shudder).
by Steven Schweickert on Apr 25, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Geez, is this what my computer does when it says "Can not make your post at this time?"
by Steven Schweickert on Apr 25, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Look at it this way. You made your point clear.
Abundantly….
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
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Well yeah, but… but…
Geez, this makes me look stupider than I actually am.
by Steven Schweickert on Apr 25, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Free agency
Stacy Andrews is still available, right? Not drafting a guard makes little sense, so I suppose they’re counting on Beekman starting and Astasia backing up.
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Faneca sighting?
Jerry Angelo: “Who would not consider Alan Faneca if you have a need?”
per Biggs
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Every other GM besides Jerry Angelo: “Who would not consider drafting if you have a need?”
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by David Taylor on Apr 24, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
IF you have a need!??!!??!
Earth to Jerry! You have a need!? This is not some hypothetical question jerk.
Exactly.
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by David Taylor on Apr 25, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
C+ (no guard dropped them a full grade)
It’s so difficult to grade a draft right afterwards. I’ll leave my real grade for the middle of the season. I guess it’s possible we can gauge how these draft picks do after the preseason games.
What’s the scoop on this Webb guy? Does he have a chance to make the roster? Also, I’m sure Tice isn’t happy having virtually zero depth at guard.
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Webb...
from my post earlier this week… LINK
College: West Texas A&M
Height: 6-8
Weight: 328
Position Ranking: 23
Overall Ranking: 272
Bench Press: 17
Vertical Jump: 26"
40 T: 5.28
Projected Round: 7-FA
Stock: —
What people are saying:
Considered “one of the more intriguing physical specimens,” Webb has good enough footwork and strength to anchor against the defensive ends, and he has some mobility in the open field. However, scouts watching him on the field were concerned about his willingness to participate in drills and were disappointed in his body language between reps. Webb transferred to West Texas A&M after his earning All-American honors at Navarro Junior College. He played in 12 games along the offensive line and on special teams and helped Texas gain 162.6 rushing yards per game (34th NCAA), 391.5 total yards per game (23rd NCAA) and score 35.9 points per game (seventh NCAA). He was also another Texas vs. the Nation All Star Game participant and wears a size 19 sneaker.
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by David Taylor on Apr 24, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I like em
hope he stops being a douche and realizes he can make a lot of money… by not being a douche.
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by jameslcrockett on Apr 24, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
WestvTexas A&M
Isn’t that where Ryan Leaf did some coaching? That guy knows what it takes to succeed in the NFL
Something I'm wondering about...
How many DL and DB do 4-3 teams normally keep on the roster? We had, what, 10 DL and 32 DBs last year?
If numbers of either/both are higher than usual, where are we deficient compared to most 4-3 team rosters?
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If you include safeties
There can be anywhere from 8-12 players at DB, DL around the same.
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by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
D
They missed out on alot of good players. I think that 4th round pick should’ve been used on a Guard. We did not need a back up QB, the DE pick up should’ve been in the 6th. Bears let Morgan Burnett and Jon Asamoah go right before they were going to pick, they should’ve traded up for the guard, he could’ve started day 1. We’ll see next season if this draft was as bad as it looks.
I agree that we need a guard
But if Cutler is hurt and Hanie is all we have, it’s a bit scary.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
Our division will be much tougher next, and I’m not sure if this draft class can make much of a difference besides Major Wright.
LT Williams
LG – ???
C – Kreutz
RG – Garza
RT- Omiyale? I don’t feel comfortable with omiyale at RT unless he can play this spot signifigantly better.
That LG spot is gaping, the OT from Texas A and M is a big guy but i’ve read he’s only a back up at best. Hopefully Tice can develop him into a starter he’s a big body which would be great to have at RT or even LG
I think
the Bears will throw money are fanaca to "fix"LG…. All Bear beat writers are reporting JA is right on him even before fanaca was even released…Looks like Omiyale is the starting RT though no matter what….
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by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
This is good
Sign him before anyone has a chance to make an offer.
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Faneca
Would be a good pick, hopefully make our o-line solid
He allows too many sacks!
Now you have to sign him because JA is a moron!
by I love football! on Apr 24, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
Now you have to sign him because JA is amoron!
The proper term is ass clown.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
More Bears FA Signings per Biggs
Nicholls State WR Antonio Robinson to a free-agent contract
WR Greg Matthews to a free-agent contract
Montana OT Levin Horn to a free-agent contract.
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- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
K-State Alum/Bears fan here, RE: Josh Moore
I’ve always been a fan of Josh. A real solid player in college. He was easily the best player in our secondary the past few years. I’m finally excited to see the Bears pick up a K-State guy.
That being said….
I was very surprised to see Josh leave early and declare for the draft. He was a typical “Ron Prince” recruit where he was a better athlete with some good speed rather than a fully developed football player. My guess is when Prince got the boot, Josh stuck it out for one year under Bill Synder and then declared. I’m not sure why he didn’t stay another year since Synder can produce top-notch talent (see Terrance Newman, Cowboys).
He’s a very good cover guy. He never seemed to give up the big play, but also never seemed to make the big play.
Here’s to the best of luck for Josh. Go State and Go Bears.
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where is he gonna start? Our starting corners are locked in
The Lakers are reminding me of the "Tin Man"...
Peanut and Bowman who led the team with 6 picks last year
The Lakers are reminding me of the "Tin Man"...
Sorry,
but Peanut is not as good as people think and Bowman was inconsistent enough to not be a “lock”, especially if another player is outperforming him. As bad as our secondary has played, not just recently but also historically the notion that anybody in our secondary is “locked in” is laughable. I LOL, at you.
Peanut will never make the Pro Bowl
but he’s still the best corner on the roster. Bowman had a rough start to the season, but got better as the year went on. Yes, the secondary hasn’t played well, but those two are the “cream” of the crop (crap) as far as we’re concerned.
Honestly, I see Josh Moore as nothing more than a permanent special teams guy.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Apr 25, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Creamy, just not so dreamy....
I agree pretty much with your analysis of those corners…. I haven’t seen Josh Moore, so I am only going from what I read.
I do not think either Tillman or Bowman is entitled to be automatically penciled in as starters. Especially If Moore is good/better. If he is better then Tillman or Bowman he should start over them. I realize this is mind-blowing to some….
Riiight
I mean the fact that only 2 corners had more picks than Bowman is entirely misleading…Peanut doesnt get alot of picks but he forces turnovers which is just fine with me. I find that someone who can criticize a corner without knowing the numbers is laughable. I LOL at you
The Lakers are reminding me of the "Tin Man"...
No because you underrate the play of both while they didnt have any sort of consistent safety help
and the Fact that Bowman was in the top of the league in Picks..I would say he’s a lock
The Lakers are reminding me of the "Tin Man"...
But hey your opinion is your opinion
I dont care to change it….
The Lakers are reminding me of the "Tin Man"...
I know off topic but found it interesting
McDaniels said Tebow will compete with Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn for the starting job.
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
Funny
You know your team is in trouble if you think Tebow can compete as a rookie for the QB position.
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Being a Denver fa too
McD is all about competition, so even Brandstater, the rookie from last season is competing, but as of right now Orton is the starter. But either way, it will be one of the more interesting QB competition to see.
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by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont know why people were so set on getting a lineman in the 4th or 5th round
when chances are he wouldnt play this year anyway….They went with the best available players and are gonna sign a veteran Lineman which is a much better option imo..We have all our picks next year and can get a STUD in the 1st or 2nd round who will more than likely be better than any guy we would have picked this year anyway.I give em a B. good value all the way around
Teammates.....What a unique concept
Josh Moore was the best available in the fifth?
Dan LeFevour – same question, different round?
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by David Taylor on Apr 24, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think Moore was that bad of a pick after reading up on him
and Dan L was Good pick in the 6th for a guy who was expected to go higher and will get better working with Martz…Not like we were gonna get a major contributor in the 6th round anyway so why not get a qb you can develop
Teammates.....What a unique concept
not my question.
Were they, as you said, the best available when the Bears picked?
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by David Taylor on Apr 24, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
For what they are looking for at corner yezzir
who would you have drafted
Teammates.....What a unique concept
so best available...
means best available at a certain position now? I would have drafted an, I dunno, offensive lineman! Even a backup, I don’t care. Josh Beekman is our starting LG, backup RG and backup C. We needed (and still do now) some OL depth, no matter how you slice it.
We drafted a late round CB named Moore, just last year. Wanna guess how much time he saw on the field?
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by David Taylor on Apr 24, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
They were targeting a position...
so it only makes sense to go after the best available at that spot…They might have had him as the best available period. I still think you are overrating a 4-7th lineman that was decent in college. Out of the 9 OL the Bears have on the roster only 3 are over 27 years Old. Add the rookie and we have 7 young lineman and a pretty good line coach to along with it. If/when they sign a veteran the O-Line will be set and like I said before they can get an actual starter or starters next year in the 1st 2 rounds.
The Lakers are reminding me of the "Tin Man"...
And the consensus about the draft last year was that Moore was a good pick
and Overall the Bears got a B from “experts” regarding the draft. This years draft from what ive seen has the Bears graded lower simply because they didnt have a pick in the 1st two rounds to get a quality lineman.
The Lakers are reminding me of the "Tin Man"...
I'll address both of your comments here.
First you say that they were targeting the “best available” and now you say “at a certain position.” You do realize those two statements are complete contradictions of each other, right?
I’m not overrating a fourth third to seventh round lineman – at all. Quality NFL starting guards can be found in the third, fourth and fifth rounds of a draft. Especially in a draft as loaded as this one was with talent.
The problem, that you fail to see, is that we had (still have) a gaping hole on the left side of our line. Josh Beekman is our starting left guard, by process of elimination. Olin Kreutz is not only getting older, but he’s losing a step. His backup is none other than Sir Beeks-alot. Garza is consistent, but you wanna take a wild guess to who his backup is… that’s right – the Beekinator 4000. Omiyale played better at the end of the year, but is still a question mark. Scaffer capital “s” Sucks, period. Williams looked good, but is finally taking his first full season at his natural position. Lance Louis… is Lance Louis.
We need quality starters and depth on the offensive line and had an actual position of need going into this draft. Yet (again), we don’t address it (sort of) until the seventh round. But then again, maybe you’re fine with Beekman starting and backup up Kreutz and Garza. Maybe you’re comfortable with Louis or Webb protecting Cutler’s blindside, should an injury happen to Chris Williams (because he’s proven he can stay healthy). Maybe you’re okay with PFA’s coming in and being our backups. I’m not!
And furthermore, it’s getting pretty damn ridiculous that Angelo is so friggin’ naive to think that we need more (mediocre) cornerbacks over offensive line help, year after year. How about addressing the OFFENSIVE line in the first few rounds of your draft, instead of the seventh? The teams with the best lines are typically the better offensive teams. It’s not a coincidence – it’s grade school math for most GM’s.
And if Moore was such a good pick last year, why did they have to do it again… the following year?
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by David Taylor on Apr 25, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Unlike DJ
the new Moore has size which is prototypical for the cover-2. When the inevitable injury happens to Tillman we’ll be glad to have him as a backup. Just look what the Jets did- traded for one and drafted one early. I realize they’re much better than what the Bears got, but it makes sense considering CBs are hugely important to the success of a defense.
With that said, I completely agree with adding depth to a thin O-line. I’m not sure why they’re taking such a risk with the backups at guard. We’re one injury away from being screwed. Oh, I forgot, Asiata is the only backup right now. I suppose the staff must be “high” on this guy.
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Asiata is no fix.
They shuffled him on and off the practice squad last year. I’d be highly surprised if he’s anything more than training camp fodder. If he’s the legitimate backup plan, well…
And as far as the (new) Moore pick, I don’t like it. Maybe he somehow fits well in the scheme, I dunno. What I do know is we have some depth at CB, and OL was much bigger of a need. And yet again, it wasn’t addressed until the seventh round. As is standard operating procedure under the Angelo regime. That’s just crazy.
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by David Taylor on Apr 25, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Breathe.....
Well though out and well written rant. Now take a valium with a nice glass of crown royal on the rocks, put on a little Smoky Robinson and drift off into sweet oblivion. Keep the blood pressure under control….
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
mmm....
I don’t drink much but I’d go for a crown and diet coke or a gin and sprite zero. Although I’d probably put on some James Taylor instead.
And I realize that the Bears will probably go out, sign and plug in another teams reject OL. Maybe it works, maybe not… but Angelo always finds a way to outdo himself on draft day.
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by David Taylor on Apr 25, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I had a Wilco Sunday morning
No alcohol, but plenty of coffee and cleaning.
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I think he was basing it off of their projected draft round(s).
I read somewhere that Moore could’ve gone as high as the 3rd, and Wootton would’ve gone much higher if not for his ACL injury.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Selvish Capers could have been drafted as high as the 2nd.
Eric Olsen, the third. Ciron Black, the third. Etc, etc. Before you say it, I know they fell for a reason. But going by projections alone, how many times did JA pass up on any of these players – and at positions of need?
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by David Taylor on Apr 24, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't kill the messenger!
I suppose Tice has confidence in Beekman. It’s obvious they’re going to have to add a guard in FA still. I don’t see Webb making the roster, nor do I see the team keeping 4 tackles.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
I actually see Webb making the roster...
and Lance Louis getting the short end of the stick. Webb’s a project, but he supposed to be one of those “rare physical specimens” that Jerry gets all “Jerry” over.
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by David Taylor on Apr 25, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure about that
but I guess we’ll have to wait and see for mini-camps and eventual reports. Did you hear about the rumor of Shaffer possibly competing at LG? Now, that may make some decent sense.
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nah,
didn’t see that. I was big on the guy when we signed him, but after watching him play, not so much. Shaffer is garbage, he was getting dominated in pre-season last year by people who didn’t make an NFL team. That’s ungood. Maybe a change of position works for him, but does that ALWAYS have to be the Angelo/Smith answer to everything.
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by David Taylor on Apr 25, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently
he played decently, and surprisingly better at pass-blocking than run-blocking. Here’s how PFF rated him.
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meh.
those numbers are extremely uninspiring. But let’s see what a case of DMS does for him.
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by David Taylor on Apr 25, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I just looked at all of our linemen's numbers...
…it’s quite sad.
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by David Taylor on Apr 25, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
The nice thing is Williams played well in his last 7 games. Not bad for essentially being a rookie. Also, everyone bashes Kreutz, but he measured out pretty well for centers- 16th in the league.
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exact middle?
and probably only getting worse. time for an upgrade.
Exact middle
but he graded out a positive +5. I’m stating he’s not as bad as most fans make him out to be. I guess next draft will be when they finally upgrade center and guard. Unless they plan on Webb playing at LG.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Fans get stuck on names (me too)
and they believe they’ll automatically be successful cause guards generally have a good chance as rookies. There are no guarantees, and I don’t believe any of those options will be better than Beekman or a FA signing (Get Faneca!).
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Bears will consider fanaca and Vet QB
Angelo did not rule out that the Bears will also consider signing a veteran quarterback, even after selecting Dan LeFevour in the sixth round.
Umm then why draft a 6th round QB…Ah well I guess….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- Jerry Angelo on how he prepares for the NFL draft
LeFevour was signed (I believe),
because Brett Basanez’s practice squad time is up. If they do decide to go with two QB’s on the active roster, LeFevour will spend the year there. That’s my guess, anyhow.
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by David Taylor on Apr 24, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
i think LeFevour will be the best pick in our draft
Don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. But 3 years from now I can see him being a hot commodity.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Apr 25, 2010 7:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We'll see.
I kind of see him spending the first two years on the PS. Unless he pulls a Hanie in pre-season, and we can’t store him there.
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by David Taylor on Apr 25, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
While I like Wright...
he was overdrafted at 75. The Bears drafted another injury prone, project at DE, no one knows why. A QB, are you fu$$ing kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! An OK CB prospect. And some small school o-line project that might play back-up RT a few years from now. The Bears did not address the gaping hole at LG. They did not take a late round gamble on a big target WR. So I would grade this draft as a solid D. They addressed 1 position and added almost no depth anywhere useful.
IMHO, they should have grabbed a LG at #75 (Johnson or Petrus), Akwasi Owusu-Ansah in the 4th, Robert Johnson in the 5th, the biggest available WR in the 6th, and Ciron Black in the 7th.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I hardly consider 1 injury labels a player injury prone
Pre injury he was a beast and a 1st 2nd round pick. He came back early and played the entire year not 100% which shows alot of toughness imo…He could be a steal when it’s all said and done
Teammates.....What a unique concept
Fine...
we can debate the semantics of “injury prone” There are major concerns about his lone, but significant injury. He has not yet healed and there is a reason he was had in the 4th. BTW, why get a DE in the draft, didn’t the Bears fill a need with a guy named Peppers? This is just another wasted pick.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
Actaully the "wasted pick"
seems to be Henry Melton from last year (well and another pick this year). According to Dickerson Melton has fallen out of favor with Bears brass during off season activities for some reason and seems like he might not make the team…..
Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!
- Jerry Angelo on his drafting process
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I have been reading some of your posts
and was wondering if you actaully watch alot of college football or if you just read what people write online and take it as fact?
Truthfully...
I do not watch many college football games, but I do comb the internet for film and footage and catch occasional match-ups as I can. Without a terribly long explanation, I view the college games as less important in predicting the success of the individual players in the NFL. Rather, I look at what attributes a given player has.
Generally speaking, players that possess the intangibles are better bets to succeed, even if they don’t meet the numbers of height/weight/40yrd dash times etc. Speed cannot be taught. Instinct for a given position cannot be taught. Disciple and work ethic cannot be taught. Things like leverage or assignment or technique can be taught. Are there exceptions, of course, but those exceptions should be exceptional (read rare), by definition.
For example, and I will fess up to this if I am wrong. Major Wright, from the footage i have seen, he does not possess a good instinct for playing the FS position as it relates to the Cover 2 philosophy. He often charges at the play and gets out of control before the ball leaves the QBs hand which makes him susceptible to the out and up and pump and go routes. The Cover2 REQUIRES that he always be the backstop. Now, i can admit that he will be taught to not do that by Lovie and co., but the problem is if his instinct is to go after a play before it has actually developed, he will struggle. Alternately, Robert Johnson, who I believe would have been a better fit at Cover2 FS, is more patient and instinctive even though his numbers and fame at Utah do not match up with Wright at Florida. Did I watch any of the Utah games, nope. Does it mean that I don’t know about Johnson, no. I took the time to track down all of the available footage I could, say this, or this, and look at the qualities and attributes he has. For any given position, i have specific features that i look for. IMO, and it is my opinion not fact at all, Johnson stays behind the play better than Wright and that mindset/instinct will make him a better fit than Wright, who may be a FS in a 3-4 or 46 style, just not a Cover2. And I didn’t waste a single second of my day watching Utah Utes football to do it either.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
On a personal note...
are you the kind of guy who goes out of his way to point out the spelling and grammar mistakes and miss the point of what people are saying?
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
No, I'm not. Even though you weren't responding to me.
However, given your previous post I MUST point out this;
Without a terribly long explanation
I think we need to come to an agreement over the definition of “long”. Or maybe its the adverb “terribly”….
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Nice pick-up...
I explicitly went back and put the word terribly in to correct my semantic error. Honestly, my issue is not a personal one, which is why it pisses me off so much when people attack each other and not their arguments. Nonetheless, point taken.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
How was Major Wright overdrafted at 75?
He was slated by many mocks as coming off the board sooner.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Not a big fan of mocking...
but here goes. I went to the trouble of watching the films of his performance. He might make it as a SS in a non-cover2, but his ability and instincts make him no better than Payne or Alfalfa or Manning. He tends to over pursue and get out of control physically. I think we will find out quickly that we now have 4 SS on the roster and Bullocks and Stletz at FS. Not the best scenario, but I am willing to wait and see. If the Bears had addressed LG first and gotten Wright in the 4th it would have made more sense. Honestly, I like Wright and he may pan out, but other than his pick, the rest of the Bear’s draft was a joke.
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Which is funny
cause I see the opposite by some other “draftniks” and other “experts” on TV saying that he is a solid FS….Maybe not an all pro or what have you but serviceable…..Guess we will see…..
Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!
- Jerry Angelo on his drafting process
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Wright may work out...
but I saw Robert Johnson as a more natural FS and he was available to the Bears in the 4th. Johnson seems more fluid and has a better flow to the ball even before it was thrown. The Bears could have addressed the interior line in the 3rd at much better value and Johnson in the 4th (IMO) is a steal!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I agree with that
was hoping they would land Johnson even after taking Wright….but did not happen….
Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!
- Jerry Angelo on his drafting process
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a chance he makes it to the 4th round
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Overdrafted? Wright?
And you’re saying we should’ve taken Petrus who went in the 6th at 75? As for Wootton he is not a project if not for the injury in 2008 (He’s not hurt this YEAR!) Still coming back from it, though but I think he’ll be aight by training camp. He’s NFL ready and was a STEAL at the 4th round and the pick we should’ve made was Petrus at the 5th round pick cause there was a huge drop-off after Petrus and none after Moore. The Lefevour pick was a a best available pick which could hold down some value in a couple of years meanwhile suitable backup and people have to realize that Webb will stay with the bears either on the 53 or on practice squad. Martz like bigger linemen and he was selected with the thought that he was converting to G. Asiata and him will fight for the final OL spot. either Melton is going or Gilbert will switch inside full time.
Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!
Is Joshua Moore really better than Myron Rolle?
I’m only a very casual college football follower, but it seemed to me that Myron Rolle can’t have his skills drop THAT much with a year off. Plus Rolle fits the mold of the very intelligent safety which the Bears have had for most of the last 35 years (Gary Fencik, Mark Carrier, Mike Brown).
Does the fact that he wants to become a neurosurgeon and would immediately become the most intelligent member of the organization scare teams off that badly?
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
I like Rolle better
But Moore seems the more capable back.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 24, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Draft
It’s not so much it was bad players drafted( a few were) but, the only thing i didn’t like was us passing up players that could’ve competed for starting jobs at Safety with Wright and LG and RT. We did not NEED a DE or a QB they seem like good developmental players but we need players NOW.
Juice Williams
“Illini QB Juice Williams expected to participate in #Bears rookie minicamp next weekend on a tryout basis” tweeted by Brad Biggs. I’d like to see him running the wildcat next season.
Cannot see
Martz running any form of wildcat….but stranger thing has happened I guess….
Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!
- Jerry Angelo on his drafting process
by CloudyFuture on Apr 24, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If there is one thing the NFL is
It is a copycat league. The Dolphins used it 2 years ago with wild success, last year a handful of other teams used it to varying degrees of success. This year even more will, possibly including the Bears with LeFevour who rushed for 2,500 yards in college. Teams copied Martz’s original game plan until it was figured out by defenses and teams will copy the Wildcat until it gets figured out then move on to the next “flavor of the month.”
Now Much
With what we had to work with a C+ for personell.
Not going with a few early OL picks, a D- for judgement :(
same old shit
The big name is a guy who may not be able to play the position you drafted him for, then ignore your other needs. The way they are treating the line is a joke.
by mike b on Apr 24, 2010 9:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
**Incomplete**
How the heck do you grade a draft with 5 freakin picks in rounds 3-7 anyway? Hated the QB pick, didn’t really much care for the DE Wooten, and lukewarm on Moore – we don’t need another average CB. I would have gone Wright and the best other safety, and three O-line guys.
For the record, I would have started Blanco at SS and Theriot at 2B for 2010, and released either Baker or Fontenot.
by DisCUBbobulated on Apr 24, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
Draft
I would’ve been happy if we only came out of the draft with just Asamoah and Burnett. Atleast both of them would start right away and fill some holes
I was at the draft
I won it through the Doritos Madden cover thing, and I just got back home. Anyways, I thought it was just an okay draft. Major seems like a pretty good pick, as does Wootton. I don’t really like any of the other picks. But who knows, maybe LeFevour can become the next Tom Brady.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
What do people expect?
No team should be counting on anyone they drafted today starting for them, unless it’s at a low-valued position like long-snapper or ST gunner. So even if JA had drafted a lineman earlier today it would NOT have changed the fact that this team still needs to sign an OG. Every single one of their picks provided good value. In the later rounds of the draft, that’s all you can ask for.
Seriously, were there linemen out there at the Bears’ 4th-round pick that people think would you could have penciled in at OG? Of course not.
They didn’t do much good with this draft, but they didn’t have the chance to. They’re making their moves via trade and free agency. That will likely continue with the signing of Faneca. And yes… I think despite his high sacks allowed totals last year, he’s almost certain to be better than the guards available today.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Apr 25, 2010 12:59 AM CDT reply actions
While I certainaly agree with you .....
……. on there being no instant impact linemen available in the 4th round . At that point in the draft their all projects that won’t start , or even see the field , for at least a year . And Faneca makes some sense as does Justin Smiley when hes released . Faneca could have just as much left in the tank as Ruben Brown did when we got him . He would provide a solid presence on our line and I also think his stat line can be misleading . He’s never been a great pass blocker , but his run blocking is great . Smiley is younger but is an injury concern . In his 7 year career he’s only finished the season 3 times , but is good at both run and pass blocking . Either would vastly improve our line and its overall play .
One thing I disagree on , they did do some good things with this draft . Major Wright is an outstanding pick . He a consistent player with great instincts for the game , something none of our current FS’s have . Also hes a leader and can call the adjustments for the secondary because of his high game IQ ( was refered to as the Tim Tebow of the D ; Urban said he was the leader of his D just to clear things up ) . This kid could provide a stable presence in our secondary that we haven’t had since Mike Brown . And Wootten , if healthy , is a great pick up . He’ll push Melton and could beat him out for a roster spot and a spot in our rotation . With his size ( 6’6" 270 ) he can set the edge versus the run and has enough pass rush skill to be a solid player for us ( similar to what AB gave us , steady ) . Now the others are projects , but what late rounders aren’t ?
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 25, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Hard to give a grade
to a team that didn’t pick until Round 3, because how could you possibly grade them highly, even if you attempt to take it into consideration? There’s a reason Round 3 and onward picks are picked in those rounds. They all have downsides relative to the entire class, so it’s easy to be disappointed.
If I had to grade it, I’d say B-, but only because I think they could have moved up using a trade with minimal impact (otherwise I’d give them a B+ or A-; I don’t see a stupid pick, really). If Wright was really the “last of 4” DB/FS players they were looking at (per quote in the Sun Times), I can’t help but think they could have moved up a round without losing much, and maybe picked up, say, Taylor Mays, or at least one of the “first 3” they had their sights on. Olsen + their 3rd or 4th round pick for a 2nd round and possibly a late 4th or a 5th? Then using one of those picks (whichever is untraded) on a guard? That’s the only thing I really strongly dislike – a move they didn’t make.
I like the LeFevour pick, and think he could be a better option than anything else they’ll have as a #3 QB, or even above Hanie as a #2. Much, much higher ceiling.
I wonder how many of these guys get “redshirted.”
Bears could still find a way to pick up a veteran G or FS.
Overall a MEH draft
I’d say C at best, but its hard to do any better starting in the 3rd of a deep draft.
Harris is from my SEC country so I have seen him play a few times. He could be good with solid play up front, which luckily the Bears should have in droves.
I don’t much about Wooton, but the only way this could be good would be if he could also play DT just to give some added flexibility to the D-line. Guard should have been addressed here I think.
Moore…um I don’t really like the pick, but for now he is a Bear so I will be rooting for him to succeed.
LeFevour – I have stated in on several other posts I LOVE this pick for several different reasons.
My first reaction was he could be a great value 3 years down the road, kind of like the Packers used to do with Favre backups Hasselback, Brunell, and Brooks. I could see him bring back maybe a a 2013-14 first rounder from a desperate team like Seattle, Washington, or even Indy(Peyton’s not getting younger and Painter ain’t the answer).
Secondly, what happens if Cutler gets hurt? Would any of you feel very comfortable with just Hanie and Basanez as the QBs? Granted LeFevour might not save a season like that but he’d be better than a midseason free agent more than likely.
Thirdly, Jay Cutler is a good young quarterback, but for now he isn’t Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. So we need a better back up QB than they usually keep and last year we didn’t have it.
Lastly, LeFevour had over 15,000 yards from scrimmage in college including 2,500 rushing. Sounds like he might make a good change of pace “wildcat” QB (even though I personally hate the Wildcat formation, it does work for the moment).
Webb – project O Line player, hopefully a decent player 2-3 years down the line. Not great, but we couldn’t have done a whole lot better in that spot.
NOTE For the record, I am not now, nor do I ever plan on being, a member of Dan LeFevour’s family. I just think it could be absolute genius if he is used properly and develops as he should.
Overall Grade – C
Best possible Grade with our picks (IMHO) – B
So not bad in general
See that is BS
Your grading system and I’m sure many others posting here is whack. “Best possible Grade with our picks” huh? Yeah if they had a lot more 1st round picks their draft would be an A+. But they didn’t.
riiight we could have let Cutler go somewhere else and use that 1st rounder on Jimmy Clausen huh
that sounds great
The Lakers are reminding me of the "Tin Man"...
Yeah cause that's what I said
EmmCeee If you are going to reply at least read the comment.
To No It All, what I meant was that based on the available talent at our pick numbers B was about the best we could do. You can get an A+ without multiple 1st rounders. Hell I think Baltimore was an A+ without any 1st round picks. However, missing out on the top 74 players in this draft, even if the Bears picked the best available player B was about the best they could do.
B+
Major Wright: great pick. will start at FS for us. FS was our biggest need, schematically and psychologically. We need a formidable safety presence and I think Major Wright is the best we have had since Mike Brown.
Corey Woot*o*n: No way Jerry was passing on this guy in the 4th. No way! He couldn’t help himself. Luckily I think his compulsive drafting of DEs may have actually paid off this time. Size is what I like most about this guy. I think Woot plays and contributes this year possibly replacing Mark Anderson and/or allowing Izzy to play DT #2. Personally I think DT #2 is now our biggest concern, bigger even then Guard.
Josh Moore: Sketchy on him as a player. Gotta see it with my own eyes, but if he can cover then he can play for us as or secondary is soft and people be liking the passing.
Dan Lefevour: > Hanie
Webb: Meh
Really like the first 2 picks. Considering our options and needs… B+
Agreed...
I still think a vet FS is a must this offseason, but the D-line worries me. I think you are spot on about Izzy at 3-technique. In gerenal, i see Lzzy and Peppers at the ends and Izzy moving inside to the 3-tech spot on passing downs with Harris being taken out and Anderson at DE. Having Wooten(sp.?) and Gilbert as the rotational guys for DE work. I guess I’m still worried that Harris ends up on IR or just sucking ass again and the Bears having to scramble to clone Izzy to play RE and 3-tech. at the same time.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I give them a D
Major Wright might work out, but a lot of scouting reports had him as a strong safety. Angelo should have signed Atogwe and not be forced to use the third rounder on a safety who may not be an upgrade over what we have.
Wootten sounds like a 3-4 end to me. Nice size, stout against the run, but no pass rush. We don’t run the 3-4.
Moore sounds like DJ Moore to me—good in college but probably too small to play in the NFL.
Lefevour could work out, but doesn’t sound like he has an NFL arm, and has never read a defense.
Webb is Angelo’s annual wasted 7th rounder on an o-lineman who won’t make the team.
DEJESUS!!!
that's hilarious
considering that scouts said Dan LeFevour was probably the QB with the highest football IQ in the draft and has a nice release over the top. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYQZ5SvAVV4&feature=related
Any other Draft Dan would be Drafted in the 2nd round.
by I love football! on Apr 25, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's hilarious?
He ran the spread offense and usually went first read. He never played under center, never had to make pre-snap adustments, and never had to read the defense in his drop. It’s also a fact that he threw one of the weakest balls in the draft.
Get your facts straight.
DEJESUS!!!
Agreed
One scouting report that I read (I think in Yahoo Sports) said that he refused to throw at the combine – because he didn’t know the receivers… I guess you have to look at it as, “well it was only a 6th rounder…” At least JA didn’t try to out-smart us all and blow our 3rd rounder on this kid.
Wasn't Alex Smith...
widely considered the smartest guy to ever be drafted at QB or something to that effect? He sounds like a paper tiger to me. But no matter his “abilities” why draft a QB? Think about what the Bears gave up to get Cutler. All of those picks are like drafting QBs at those spots. To then draft another QB seems absurd to me, especially when the interior o-line is suspect and thin at depth. Further, what if LeFlavor does show promise, are they going to sit Cutler?
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
by LostInSTL on Apr 25, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 I agree with you!
But I can also see Mike Martz idea.JA gives you permission to take a pick,you already have 5 project WR’S.Martz probably looked at the Oline,and figure (no one i Draft here is going to start and Tice has the next round anyways)So what do i do?I will Draft the smartest QB,we need a back up and this kid can study my playbook and eventually fill that roll.I hated the pick at first, but after you think about this decision the more it seems to make sense.
by I love football! on Apr 25, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The word is Mike Tice wanted to get Webb
and his track record with O-Lines is much better than either of ours imo
The Lakers are reminding me of the "Tin Man"...
far as I am concerned drafting is like rolling dice.
Next year we’ll find out if they rolled a 7 or craps.
We do know that pass protection last year was just awful, especially Pace and Williams was pretty bad until the last 4 games when he was average. The Bears should go out and get Faneca even though he is not that good at pass protection his run blocking is still pretty good.
The D-Line worries me, Harrison was just awful, and Harris didn’t play well until the last couple of games.
We’ll find out how good last years draft was this year. We are in serious trouble unless some of those can step up.
This is the year we find out how good last years draft was,
by 62bearsthe best on Apr 25, 2010 9:48 AM CDT reply actions
Truly The Worst Part Of This Draft
Was trading a high 2d round pick in a great draft to Tampa Bay. We could have taken an excellent guard with that pick, and still gotten Major Wright as well.
I am as worried about the O-Line as everyone else, but I will say this: Chester Taylor knows how to pick up a blitz and block. No linebacker is going to leap over him on the way to killing Cutler. He will help improve the protection and blitz pickup on third down.
I think Wright may work out. The guy played against Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy in practice, and against the very best teams in the nation every week. He was a leader on a national championship squad. Seems OK to me.
Trading away our second rounder really screwed us badly
We definitely would have been in a position to make a key pick-up early in that second round. But, like I said earlier, JA has a way of trying to be too clever, and the one he often ends up “out-smarting” is himself.
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