Bears and Broncos: More in Common than just Orange & Blue
The Chicago Bears and Denver Broncos will be forever linked thanks to the trade that brought quarterback Jay Cutler to Chicago. The comparisons between Cutler and, whichever quarterback Denver finally decides upon, will go on until Cutler finally hangs up his helmet and leaves the game with his multiple Super Bowl rings.
But after this weekend’s draft, a twist was thrown into the Bears/Broncos connection. The Broncos made a very bold move to jump ahead in the draft in order to select quarterback Tim Tebow.
Any football fan knows who Tim Tebow is. We have heard his story over and over again. The high character, God Blessing, guy who may be the best college football player ever, but might be a bust in the NFL. Yeah, that guy. The guy who could play ever position on the football field at the next level, except quarterback, but was drafted much higher than expected to play quarterback. That’s the guy.
Well, at no fault of our own, the Chicago Bears will now be forever linked to that guy.
The incumbent starter for the Broncos is former Bear Kyle Orton. Though very serviceable and a great teammate, Orton does not seem like the type to lead his team to the Promised Land. Maybe that’s why the Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels made a trade this off-season to acquire Brady Quinn from the Cleveland Browns. Even after making the trade for Quinn, the Broncos felt that Tebow was the arm of the future and could not pass on his services in the draft.
McDaniels is known as a great offensive mind and is said to work wonders with young quarterbacks. Tom Brady and Matt Cassel have both worked under him and have gone on to do great things. Cassel not so much, but his contract alone from the Kansas City Chiefs has to speak for something.
The one young gun slinger that McDaniels did not get the luxury to work with is Cutler. Their relationship was strained from the beginning when McDaniels tried to get rid of his Pro Bowl quarterback for ‘flash in the pan’ Cassel. McDaniels ended up with neither Cutler nor Cassel, and the Bears reaped the benefits.
McDaniels has always been portrayed as a person whose ego is bigger than his stature. Napoleon Complex if you will. Never before has this been more the case than draft day 2010. When everyone says Tebow is a project and may not be able to play QB at the professional level, here comes McDaniels to prove how great he is as a QB molder. He wants to show anyone who will watch that he can take this QB mechanics nightmare and make him the next John Elway.
So here we are, one year after the Cutler trade and another wrinkle to the story. We always knew that Cutler and McDaniels would forever be linked, but then enters Tim Tebow.
Tebow’s QB maturation and NFL career will be watched under a microscope. His every throw and run nitpicked ad nauseum. And we here in Chicago, will have to hear every word of it.
Cutler is entrenched as the Bears starter; Tebow may take a couple of years to become the Broncos main man. Maybe Tebow does not progress into an elite NFL quarterback, or if he does, he does it somewhere besides Denver. God willing.
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I Know Something The Broncos And Bears Have In Commen
They both have Head Coaches that have difficulty evaluating talent and admitting when they make a mistake.
Tebow will be their starter by year 3
And I wouldn’t be surprised if Quinn is cut
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 29, 2010 3:44 PM CDT reply actions
Tebow
Might have been a stretch as a 1st rounder. It depends on how he develops. If he progresses well I could see him starting by his 3rd Year. That is a big IF however.
That kid won't quit til he finds success as a QB
Some athletes you just don’t count out, and Tebow is one of them
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 29, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree completely, Tim Tebow has a willpower most do not possess...
I hate to refer to his cheesey speech after losing their only regular season game in 2008, but he did promise to play harder and eventually won the national championship… now that is called keeping your word.
still have to have the skills
and it is very debatable Tebow has the skills to be an NFL QB
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 29, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You can teach mechanics aka skills
I don’t think you can deny he’s atheletically gifted. He also has one of the best quarterback coaches in the league to work with him.
sometimes
but not always
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 30, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
The only skill...
I care about my QB having, is the skill to win. Is he going to be Peyton Manning? No. Could he be Eli Manning? Yes. Last count, they have the same number of Super Bowl wins. Tebow will be fine.
by DaBearsinOklahoma on Apr 29, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Lots of OU QBs in the Fairbanks era won lots of games
but that does not make them NFL QBs. Tebow was more impressive as a runner than he was a passer which is fine in college, like Vince Young. But if he is to be an NFL QB, he will have to become a passer, again like Vince Young.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 30, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
time will tell
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 30, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
tebow did not win the title
the most talented team in college football did.
by guy incognito on Apr 29, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That team might have been more stacked than USC used to be.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
Tebow was a reason they were the most talented team
His skill set was a perfect fit for college ball, but I am not so sure about how well it will fit the pro game.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 30, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
at TE
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 29, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
If there's no Lock out...
I think Tebow will be in the starting spot in 2011. Josh McD is set on him being there and he may be ready and he may not, but after Orton is gone, it’s Tebow’s show.
congrats to the Broncos
they now have three mediocre QBs
Legacy of KA(i)NE
by Kaner's Revenge on Apr 29, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lol!
I disagree, but i still like it!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 29, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you name a QB with mechanics as bad as
Tebow and has been able to overcome them to become more than just an average QB? For a base line i consider Leftwhich as a qb who couldn’t overcome the “loop” throw.
Bernie Kosar
had similiar mechanics. All of the so-called experts said he would never be a quality pro QB.
by DaBearsinOklahoma on Apr 29, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
They also said Phillip Rivers mechanics were bad.
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
They said Rivers mechanics were terrible
"That's racist."
by BearNecessities on Apr 30, 2010 4:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't Rivers
have a quicker release though? Not saying that is for certain, just seems to be something I read.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 30, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions
His mechanics have also been reworked
but his release was quicker. yes.
I’m one of the few Tebow “fans” I would have taken him with whatever pick I would have had in the first round if I needed a QB.
his college records flat out embarass anyone else, QB wise.
"That's racist."
by BearNecessities on Apr 30, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
These are also some gators, heisman trophy winners and
Urban meyer guys who had pretty good college records.
Danny Wuerffel, Rex Grossman, Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, Matt Leinart, Troy Smith, Kliff Kingsbury, Chris Weinke, Colt Brennan, and Andre Woodson.
Admit there QB ratings weren’t quite up to Tebows. Also, Colt Brennan had a completion percentage of 70.39.
Tearing it up in college doesn’t equal success.
Kosar, Rivers, Kyle Orton, Kerry Collins, Vince Young
Are a few guys with poor mechanics. Alex Smith is a guy that has improved his throw since he was drafted, it can be done with work.
If the kid was arrogant and entitled I’d say he’d be a flop, but he is a tireless worker that will improve his mechanics. I’ll count out a lazy kid like Jamarcus Russell, but a kid like Tebow you give the benefit of the doubt to.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 30, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
unless you're the mindless masses
then you buy into whatever ESPN and Brett Favre says.
at least i’m not alone, i just wish Tebow wasn’t a Bronco…because I really don’t like them after last years debacle with the fans
"That's racist."
by BearNecessities on Apr 30, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
What I want most out of a QB is the ability to make good decisions quickly.
Arm strength, mechanics, mobility are all important… but they don’t mean a lot if you’re not making the right choice on when and where to throw. Example – Vick. Crazy arm strength and mobility, but never more than an average QB.
by oripunk3485 on Apr 30, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
O.k here goes.
Kosar – just not sure, i was 7 – 12 for his good years. But from just looking at his stats saying he is great looks like a lot of hyperbole.
Rivers – Not even close! He has a slight hitch and funny release but his throw is closer to tebows “new” throwing motion. If Tebow can keep his new mechanics going under duress and man up like rivers he will be good.
Collins – Again average QB who’s throwing motion is not near as bad as tebows was in college and the senior bowl.
Vince Young – Was good the last 8 games of the season(with a 2000 yrd back). I’m not willing to say is a good to great QB. I also wouldn’t say his throwing mechanics are as poor as tebows, although i think tebows footwork is better than Youngs, so maybe it is a wash with these two.
I forgot Orton
He doesn’t have a messed up throwing motion. His only similarity to Tebow is that they both don’t have “elite” arm strength.
Orton
has a slow delivery that allows defensive backs to jump on his balls
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 30, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch!
defensive backs to jump on his balls
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
If you live in the Chicago area
Gary Fencik has a famous soundbyte that is always played on WSCR 670am that says what I said above… it’s hilarious the way Fencik says it
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 30, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say it is his delivery
so much as his lack of ability to put velocity on the ball. That being said he does have to drive on the ball a little more than say someone like Cutler.
Oh yeah
As to not being a lazy fat guy like Russell i completely aggree and thanks for not being one of those douchers who has to insult everybody with a different opinion Lester.
differing opinions are what makes this site great!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 30, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Left Guard?
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 30, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
the selling point for me
was that when you rack and stack the greatest qbs of all time, Tebow destroys those stats… and i’m pretty sure you base your draft potential on how you played in college?
"That's racist."
by BearNecessities on Apr 30, 2010 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Not mediocre
Orton is slightly above mediocre but not an allstar. Tebow we cannot base anything on until he actually gets his first few quarters under his belt. Quinn can be good but has lost it over the years so I wouldnt say they have 3 mediocre QB’s. They have 3 questionable QBs. I still like the Tebow draft pick. I will love it even more when he is Rookie of the Year. Just go out there an prove yourself Tim.
Doesn't mediocre=average.
I thought they were synonymous.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Yes, Just Dave
I was being a smart arse. When I think of Kyle Orton I think of a good average QB that gives you 100% effort on the field.
Orton is the best one they have now.
Quinn is just a guy from Notre Dame that likes to stare at himself in the mirror, Tebow is a nice guy but I do not think he will make a good NFL Quarterback.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
As annoying as his success has been....
…it is still quite amazing. I would guess the reason that most of us can’t stand Tebow is that we are jealous of all that he has been able to accomplish. Let’s face it, the guy is pretty much everything we wish we were.
In many ways your right
I think we all loathe but secretly admire the personal beliefs he holds so strong (even though we may not agree, we would all wish to believe in something as much as he does his religion) and he has also been wildly successful while amazingly humble.
Yes I hope he fails in Denver, but that has everything to do with the Broncos and not him. May he have an incredible career somewhere else.
we would all wish to believe in something as much as he does his religion
Not sure about that, chuck. Guys flying airplanes into tall buildings, wearing bombs instead of the latest hooded tops, and shooting doctors who work at abortion clinics are also really, really into their religion. Just sayin’.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
***Would have. Would HAVE. ... please note***
by Spongie on May 1, 2010 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't say people are jealous of his success
At least i’m not…Im a USC fan so i’ve seen my team and players have enormous success at the college level…I didnt like him in college because i didn’t like Florida lol but anybody that works as hard as he does is setting themselves up to succeed. You cant count him out and if anything i’d say it’s more likely he will have some sort of success as a qb at the NFl level than for him to fail….I seriously dont think that’s even an option for him besides i’d say at least for this draft Major Wright is closer to being everything i wish i was…1st pick starting FS for the Chicago Bears, how could it get any better than that.
You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........
tebow doesn't annoy me
not one bit (pardon the double negative). like most fans, i would prefer at least most of the nfl players are stand-up guys.
but i mean really, he’s going to have to improve his passing A LOT to be able to compete on the next level. master of the obvious says those option runs might not work so well for that guy. i hope he is able to continue being successful; it’s a good story. but then again that would mean more commercial time for him and his family and i am 1000 percent ok without one more second of that.
by reefermadness3 on Apr 30, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Most definitely not.
I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class. Especially since I rule. -Randal Graves
Writer at windycitygridiron.com -/-I http://www.twitter.com/kdoggers
Saying that most of us hate Tebow because he has accomplished more than we have...
is probably the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard! Maybe you haven’t accomplished much in your life to be proud of but many of us have.
Skippy has another new toy to play with in Denver.
But what’s McDaniels going to do when he realizes that it isn’t him Tebow prays to every night..
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Josh McDaniels wants so badly to emulate evil genius Bill Belichick
unfortunately, McDaniels has all the evil and none of the genius of Belichick.
May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.
I'm with you
i have a feeling that McDouch in denver will be more like Billichick in cleveland than in new england.
What's with all the Tebow and McDaniels hate?
Have either of them really had enough NFL experience for anyone to be so certain that neither will succeed in Denver? McDaniels was known by some great football minds to be a sort of prodigy at such a young age…he might very well end up having multiple SB rings.
And Tebow… all the guy has ever done is won football games. When some pro scouts saw deficiencies in his throwing motion, he made huge strides in correcting it in a very short period of time. There are plenty of pro football people who see enough potential in him to think he’ll be a legitimate pro QB.
I’m not saying that I think the two guys are bound to succeed, I’m just saying it seems to be awful early in the game for people to have such strong opinions about them already.
People hate Tebow because of all the media coverage
and McDaniels, I’m guessing just rubs some people with his arrogance, that and the whole Cutler drama. Cutler is a Bear now so some will naturally lash out at his old boss.
I’m on record as thinking Tebow will be a good QB in time.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 30, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutler didn't bash after he got to Chicago
So why are you?
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Why am I what?
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 3, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm on record as saying Tebow won't be able to overcome..
his poor throwing motion and arm strength. He may become a starter but he will be an average one at best.
What I See Dane And I Could Be Wrong
Is McDaniels came in and dismantled a football team. He shed two All Pro players in Cutler and Marshall. I agree the jury is still out while McDaniels continues to put his stamp on this team. I just don’t think his early moves are a recipe for success.
Basically....
Pro Bowl players are exactly what the name suggests, those players who participated in a Pro Bowl game. They got in either by vote of the fans, players, & coaches or because a player that was voted in decides not to attend (mostly due to injury or claiming injury) and then they are invited to participate.
All Pro players are voted on by panels of the various football writers associations. It is done by position and it doesn’t matter if you’re in the NFC or AFC.
Generally, the Pro Bowl is considered more of a popularity contest and many of the participants are included because of their reputations and not, necessarily, because of their current level of play. While neither is an exact measurement, the variousl All Pro selections are usually considered more prestigious and a better guage of who the best players are at their positions in a given year.
So What You're Saying Is..........
Being selected to either the Pro Bowl or being selected All – Pro is completely subjective?
Yes, but the All Pro voting is usually a better indication
of a player’s performance in that year as opposed to the Pro Bowl where the fans vote for players they like because they are from their city, they were good a few years ago, they saw them on one nationally televised game or ESPN highlights and the name was familiar. The players vote for their friends out of loyalty, etc.
Since the All Pro voting is done by a panel of, supposedly, objective football writers, they usually are more accurate for what happened in that season.
One thing I failed to mention.
In this past Pro Bowl, it was the first time that it was played prior to the Super Bowl, so any player from a team participating in the Super Bowl was not allowed to play in the game. If they continue with this plan, the Pro Bowl potentially gets more watered down since there are usually several players from the Super Bowl participants who are voted into the game each year, thus bringing in more players not voted in but invited.
Being a Broncos and Bears fan
It’s sad to see all this here. Fans here bashed me when I first joined WCG for liking Denver too, but I’ve had no trouble over at Mile High Report, guess not everyone is open-minded. I love articles posted here, but…
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
It's nothing personal.
I don’t hope Tebow won’t do well, i just think he won’t. I live in colorado and some of my buddies are killing me with the tebow hyperbowl.
I know what you mean
Just the whole bashing is a bit of a dead horse now, while Tebow is the topic of choice, I agree some Denver fans are a bit overbearing.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Hmm... Not sure what your reply has to do with my comment, but I'll roll with it.
If for no other reason than you implying here that WCG may be more closed-minded than MHR, but yet down below, when someone mentioned trolls from MHR, your comment is To judge a fan base on a few is pretty jacked up.
Which is it? Meh, don’t answer that. I was originally talking about Tebow and McD. Odd change in direction.
I wasn't judging
Just pointing it out. I love Chicago, I love the Bears, but I don’t go to the Vikings page and bash Favre, or to the Packers page and bash Rodgers. It’s one thing to support your team, root against your rivals, but don’t be a troll. I love coming to WCG, love some great contributors here, I’ve just never seen so much hating before on a SBNation blog.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
There wasn’t any hating until we got overrun with your other team’s trolls. I was here before the trade and saw the change myself.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
***Would have. Would HAVE. ... please note***
Make that 2 of us.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
Trolls exist on any site.
Sucks but its true. But you came onto this site and pointed out “our” fans as not being as open minded as folks on MHR. Seems to me you were judging, against “us” on “our” site.
guess not everyone is open-minded
Good luck with that TROLL.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Hey I love the Bears, love WCG
I didn’t say any other site was perfect, so if loving the Bears means I’m a troll, then yep, it’s true.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Getting back to what I have stated... twice.
My comment originally was about Tebow and McDaniels. On this website, WCG. Here, in the present, on our own website.
Not people from here visiting other websites as trolls. Not poeple from other websites visiting here while being trolls. NOt a compare/ contrast of your personal online experience as a fan of two different teams.
My original comment…
I know
And my comments weren’t really directed towards you. You gave a fair assesment of how things look for Tebow and McD, so sorry if it seems I’m taking it out on you, I didn’t mean for it to seem like that.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

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