Cutler & McNabb. Big Arms, Bigger News
A year ago, the big trade in the NFL off season was when the Denver Broncos traded Pro Bowl quarterback Jay Cutler to the Chicago Bears for two first round draft picks, Kyle Orton and a third rounder. This year, the trade of the offseason happened when the Philadelphia Eagles sent perennial Pro Bowl quarterback Donovan McNabb to the rival Washington Redskins.
Trades aren’t as common in the NFL as they are in other major professional sports; especially when it involves a star quarterback.
Which trade was bigger news? Which Pro Bowl caliber quarterback will have a bigger impact on his teams’ division games and overall record?
For a team as quarterback starved as the Bears, landing Jay Cutler was a surreal moment. The trade rumors were circling around the big armed, Vanderbilt product for weeks. However, The Bears’ name was thrown in as an afterthought when discussing teams interested in trading for the three year pro.
So when the Bears did bring Cutler to the Windy City, the Windy City welcomed him with open arms, and even wider expectations.
The story was front page news for weeks. The Bears were the talk of the league, even more so than when they played in Super Bowl XLI. It didn’t matter that two first round picks were given up in the trade, the team known for defense and running the ball finally had a quarterback.
Like the Bears, the Washington Redskins were the dark horse team to win the ‘quarterback on the trading block’ sweepstakes. Most knew that McNabb would be traded before the 2010 season would begin, but never would we believe that the Eagles would send the six time Pro Bowler to a division rival.
The Eagles have instantly switched places with the Redskins for best and worst quarterbacks within the division.
Giving up the 37th pick in this year’s draft and either a third or fourth next year, seems like a deal for a team heading into next season with quarterbacks Jason Campbell and Bears cast off Rex Grossman. Furthermore, the chance for McNabb to play his former team at least twice a year and for him to have the opportunity to maybe derail the Eagles playoff hopes late in a season are priceless. In arguably the toughest division in football, NFC East, any edge over an opponent is invaluable.
Both quarterbacks enter divisions with good single callers under center. In order for the Bears and Redskins to keep up in the division races, it was imperative for them to also have a star quarterback.
So looking at both trades, it seems the Bears and the Redskins did the right thing in bettering their teams. But which quarterback will help his team win a Super Bowl quicker? Who will be a Pro Bowler with his new team first? Only time will tell…..
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The biggest difference both teams have that will also make the most difference...
Coaching. I’m still not sure how well Martz offense will be, but I hold cautious optimism that we will make the playoffs as a wildcard.
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
It should also be noted
That these two trades happened for different reasons: McNabb and his age, and Cutler with the Broncos heading in a different direction and internal problems. Also the prices and what was being moved is much different.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Honestly , at this point , ...
….. its all about what both teams do for their QB’s . McNabb needs some real WR targets and a better O-line . Shanny will not ask him to throw the ball as much as Reid did so Donovan could put up decent numbers in Shanny’s system . First though the Skins need to fix their O-line , which was worse than ours .
As for us we also need to provide better protection for our franchise signal caller . Jay has proven if you give him time and play to his strengths he’ll put the numbers up . With Martz as his mentor ( even though I’m not a Martz guy theres no denying what he can do with offenses in general and QB’s ) Jay has a real chance to be a great player .
At this point I gotta go with Jay gettin to a Super Bowl quicker and a Pro Bowl quicker . He has an minor edge in that he has one season getting to know his WR’s , TE’s and backs and their likes and habits . Also , as of right now , our O-line is more solid than Donovans and our skill players are better too . So in my opinion Jay , right now , has the better team around him .
I'm going to have to hold off on anointing St. Jay for now.
I know it’s never popular to criticize Jay Cutler on this web site but take this for what its worth. Jay showed sparks of promise last season and had a strong finish, but his numbers don’t lie. He had way too many interceptions. I’ll let the apologists cite poor receivers, a poor offensive line, and some even suggested poor night vision. Let me repeat this so I’m clear. Jay Cutler had way too many interceptions last year. Now he has to learn a new offense and we still haven’t addressed the poor offensive line (other than to cut loose a poor acquisition(and only one at that)) and will be bringing back the exact same receiving corps (or core if you must Spongie) and last I checked it still gets dark during night games. Granted everyone has another year under their belt and we’re all feeling the warm glow that the trade for Jay still exudes, but Jay Cutler threw way too many interceptions last year. I’m going to have to hold off on any Super Bowl/Pro Bowl predictions for now.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Another thing your missin is ....
…. that Jay was in a new offensive system . Thats one of the biggest reasons for the INT’s . The other things you mention do bear some credibility on his INT’s and are not just excuses by apologists .
First off lets look at the recievers . While they played great toward seasons end we did feel their growing pains from game one on . From Johnny Knox running bad routes , wrong routes and not finishing routes , to Devin Hester not catching very catchable balls , to Earl Bennett not having feild time and so on . This recievers group is young and talented and just needs time to gel with Jay , once they get it going we’ll have a good , solid recieving core . Another thing to look at is Devin Aromashodu’s late season emergence . Jay wanted the kid to start from day one and when he got his chance he showed us why Jay wanted him so badly . DA has size and speed and provides Jay his " jump ball " guy who can just erase QB mistakes . So overall the recievers were a poor group for the majority of the season , but came on and showed improvment late . So not any apoligies here just facts that lead to some of Jays INT’s .
Second the O-line was horrid . Pace let dudes walk all over him , Frank didn’t look comfortable until very late at LG , Olin was fighting injuries , Garza was his normal solid self and Williams ( when moved to LT ) looked like a stud . This line didn’t give Jay time to throw and its kinda hard to throw the ball from your butt . Yet again late in the season Chris Williams looked great ( completely stone walling one of the best pass rushers in the league in Jared Allen ) , Frank showed promise at LG , Olin kinda looked the same all year as did Garza and Kevin Schaffer looked decent at RT when he got his chance . Once that line gelled they looked solid and Cutler got his confidence in them back which cut his INT’s down .
And last in Jays INT issues were just plain bad luck . Hester slipping , ref’s picking off Hester , multiple missed INT calls and like I said just general bad luck .
So in finish Jays issues were team issues not just his . Ron Turner’s out right bad play calling not meshing with Jay and his recievers group helped Cutlers INT total , team issue . Jay and the WR’s not being on the same page , team issue . The O-line’s bad play at times , team issue . Yes Jay had some bad reads in there too , but his total would have been far lower had it not been for the issues we had as a team .
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 7, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahhh...
the diabeetus and the night vision. I hadn’t thought about that one in a while… good times.
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by David Taylor on Apr 8, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL, i dont even know why…
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by BearNecessities on Apr 8, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
/sigh
today has just been a crappy day altogether, creepily quiet and my packer co-worker/supervisor, sucks… this just made me laugh really hard… if you can reach one person, right?
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 8, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
well sorry to hear the day has not gone well...
glad that it made you laugh, it got me as well. I don’t know if I should be scared of it or not so I just laugh and hope it doesn’t murder me and my dibeetus test supplies in my sleep.
Just call me Mr. 3000.
by Ditkavsworld on Apr 8, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 8, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok he threw a lot of interceptions
My response to that is…Get use to it. That’s what he going to do. Hopefully not as many as last season but that’s what he’s going to do. There are a LOT of HOF QBs that threw a lot of picks. Everyone can’t be Brady and Montana and Aikman. Forget the Farve comparisons. Go take a gander and Marino and Elway’s interception totals. When you don’t have a running game and your QB in a gunslinger, then as a result you’re going to get a high interception total. I love how guys like Ron Jaworski (Who threw a few picks himself in his career) can say that only 2 interceptions last season wasn’t Cutler’s fault. That’s BS. We know there were communication issues with our receivers until the last 2 games of the season
My point is that I don’t think high pick totals negate a QB from having a chance to be great and win Championships. Cutler’s biggest strength over Mcnabb and other Qbs that no one talks about is that he seems to be one of those durable QBs (knock on wood he stays that way). He may be one of those QBs that can play until he’s 38 and have many different opportunities to grow and mature with new weapons added along the way. I think Martz may be the best thing that could’ve happened to his career.
Careful Dils
with Jaws… he actually was one of the biggest supporters of Cutler overall. that was one of the only negatives he had to say(which i agree was way off base)
Cutler’s upside outweighs last years INTs
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 8, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
True
But doesn’t he feed the perception of Cutler as an out of control interceptor by saying that when we all know that it was a combined effort on at least 10 of those picks?
yeah he made one mistake commenting on that
but it was huge one… i still like Jaws though.
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 8, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I would love to see....
- make fools of the league. Chuck it for 4000 yds and 30+tds. However it’s the bears, horribly coached, horrendusly managed, and I’ll prepared to play on Sunday. I agree with all u said and I feel we are a cpl linemen on offense n a saftey away from
being a devastating team. Provided the right guy captains the ship. Lovie cldnt captain a toy boat in the bathtub let alone the pride n joy of Illinois. So I give the edge to mcnabb he has shanny and that’s all he needs. Shanny not a dummy , lovie is. Bottom line.
by Papabear777 on Apr 7, 2010 9:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Lovie is a dummy
But Cutler and the offense need to step up and produce this year. If he can relax and keep the INTs under control, I think we make the playoffs…
LOL
Lovie is a dummy
I always thought that in the Madden games Lovie looked like Grady from Sanford and Son.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson
"More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
I wonder where all this criticism of Lovie
was when he “captained” the Bears to a Super Bowl. It’s easy to trash him now because we havent been to the playoffs but the last 2 seasons The Bears had their playoff fate in their own hands and didnt get it done.Period. The players play the game not the Coach. He didnt make Cutler throw picks, the receivers run bad routes, the d miss tackles or let wideouts run behind our safeties for touchdowns. But hey armchair coaches are never wrong.
L.A.----Where playing Like the Sparks is tolerated by a Hall of Fame coach.....
Thanks for saying that man
I hate lukewarm fans.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Listen i hear you
but the players run the plays to coaches call, Cutler was often seen trying to force a play… you know, cause the coaches call was predictable? easy to read? a fullback dive?
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 8, 2010 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you know how many FB dives the Bears ran last year
Zero.
But that’s still the running joke when it comes to playcalling.
I’m just sayin…
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 8, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
(I didnt know that) but i’m just saying, the criticism goes all over, it’s not JUST limited to Lovie, it’s on everyone
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 8, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I could be wrong but didnt Turner call the plays?
L.A.----Where playing Like the Sparks is tolerated by a Hall of Fame coach.....
yes
he did
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 8, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say the Cutler trade was bigger since the Bears gave up so much for him.
And Cutler is younger than McNabb, so he will be here for a long time while McNabb might not have much time left in the NFL.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
Gotta say Redskins won out
by the time we fill our Oline and our Safety need…we’ll need new linebackers and cornerbacks and different Lineman… i think our window is closing fast. Washington’s Defense is pretty solid, they just couldnt play offense. so McNabb will breath some life into that team.
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
Luckily it shouldn't be hard to replace our CBs
Our defense is definitely aging but our O is pretty well off, especially the skill positions. And if we do the smart thing and draft a couple good OL this year then our OLine should have a good foundation for the future too.
really strange to me that
our defense could be out of focus come sooner than later, relying on our offense instead
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 8, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Lovie said flat out I had my team
by Papabear777 on Apr 8, 2010 6:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Cutler will have the bigger impact
McNabb is not moving into a good situation and his stats last season were only marginally better than Campbell.
Once Cutler and the Bears get settled into the new offense I think you will see definite improvements.
I may be old but I... oh d*mn, I forgot what I was going to say.
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 8, 2010 7:29 AM CDT reply actions
The difference, to me anyway, is
That McNabb, while a big trade, is still considered a stop gap QB; he’s quickly moving past his prime days and with his durability he could have only two or three good years left, no more than 5 though. Washington will still spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a QB to develop.
The Bears on the other hand took a 26 year old coming off a Pro-Bowl season who has all the upside in the world, looking to solidify the spot for 8-10 years.
"Dick Butkus once tackled the Packers."
"Dick Butkus played all 11 defensive positions...at the same time."
"Dick Butkus once sacked a quarterback simply by looking at him."
Well right now the Bears lost to the Redskins.In the future the Bears win this battle.Donovan McNabb will provide instant offense on a pretty structurally sound team.Cutler is 6-7 years younger then McNabb so that gives Cutler 6-7 more years to accomplish something great as a Bear.Of course that’s if he finishes his career a Bear.
by I love football! on Apr 8, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions
Of course that’sifwhen he finishes his career a Bear
Chuck Norris once met Dick Butkus and had a very odd feeling come over him. Chuck later realized it was fear
by BearNecessities on Apr 8, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions

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