The Bears will (probably) be Fine without Alex Brown
With the recent news of Alex Brown being cut by the organization (and then subsequently picked up by the Saints), there has been a lot of outcry stating that the Bears are foolish to have cut him, and the team is doomed and there's no way that Idonije and Anderson will ever be able to fill the void he leaves.
You know what? People may be right. Maybe he has that intangible quality that was holding the defense together. I don't think so, though, and I'm here to take a bit of a devil's advocate position here.
The Chicago Bears will be perfectly fine without Alex Brown.
Let me preface this, as I said, I like Alex Brown. I've loved watching him since he was brought in, and thought he performed admirably, solidly, and with nothing but class during his tenure in Chicago. I'm thrilled he was able to get a good deal down in New Orleans, and I hope that we get the chance to watch him play the Bears this year. (Yes, in the playoffs. There's something about Bears-Saints playoff games that's fun. Maybe it's because the Bears have won them recently.)That said...it's still just a matter of business.
Alex Brown's performance simply wasn't at a level that commanded the salary he was going to make. Many have been saying (for a while, and for good reason) that Nathan Vasher wasn't earning his keep, because his inability to get to the field and perform just didn't match his contract. While I'm not saying that Brown has any of those kinds of problems, it's the general idea. The performance received doesn't match the cash paid out.
Look at Ogunleye. He had similar numbers to Brown, though not quite as high in total tackles. (I believe he did, however have .5 more sacks and a forced fumble.) No one is suggesting that the Bears are worse off without his production, or that 'Wale should've been making nearly five million dollars per year.
I've seen many a comment that suggests that "It's an uncapped year, why wouldn't you just pay it?" The fact that it's an uncapped year is all well and good, but still, you don't spend money just because you have it. As fans, we can often have a hard time separating the fact that a team is worth a bajillion dollars from the fact that they're also run as businesses, and aren't always going to be willing to bleed money because a guy's got character and the fans like him.
The team still has pressing needs, and that kind of money should allow them to better address those concerns.
They'll get similar production from Idonije and Anderson. They're looking for solid, but average numbers here, and there's no reason to think they can't get them. While I think we may all agree that Anderson might never be an every down defensive end, it doesn't appear they intend to repeat that mistake.
You can't, though, be too mad at the team for getting the same value for less money, especially when you want them to spend to get other players who may be more important to the scheme.
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Alex Brown was a solid player and a class act
But the 5 mil should be reallocated to a certain FS whose name starts with an O and ends with an e and has J Atogw in the middle.
Taking the words right out of my mouth
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by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 8, 2010 5:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The 5 mil that they had allocated
Plus the 2.9 they saved after cutting Vasher. How much did someone say it was gonna take to sign Atogwe – about $7 mil/year?
Probably not
But Jerry and his buddy Lovie could be gone next year if they don’t pull out all of the stops now, in free agency. After burning their first 2 draft picks – they don’t have a lot of options left.
as most people criticizing the move have said
it’s more understandable if it was done with another move in mind, an Atogwe for example. If it wasn’t, it seems like a costcutting move that does a lot of damage to the D-line depth.
Would also take issue with the statement about getting same value for less money—again, you’re not taking into account the loss of production from the bench. Melton et al are not going to automatically become what Idonije and Anderson were, which were valuable role players.
Are we really gonna debate this .....
…. all over again ? Well lets first reference Mule Trains post from another thread ….
Idonije is a DE He’s been both a DT and a DE in his career. His numbers last year as a DT were outstanding. His move to Left DE fits perfectly with the kind of player he is: big (6’7", ~290 lbs) and a great rusher (for a DT). This is a perfect match for a DE opposite Peppers. Alex Brown has always been a Right DE. At 6’3" , 260 lbs, he is not ideal for the LDE position. Even though he has always been a high character, high motor, all around good RDE, I do not think that will apply to LDE. Izzy is the better pick for that position.
On obvious passing downs, Mark Anderson will play some LDE and Izzy will move over and rush from the DT position next to Tommie. MA will probably see 3rd down duties and spell Peppers for a series or 2 a game at RDE. Between Izzy, Peppers, and Mark Anderson you will see (out of roughly 1,000 defensive snaps) Peppers get about 750-800 (he had 806 last year), Izzy get about 6-700, 500 at DE and the rest at DT, and MA to get about 5-600 snaps (521 last year). That leaves a couple hundred between Melton/Gilbert
As you can see the players we still have can play as well , if not better , than Brown .
To further the point T-Train brings us the stats to support that Izzy and Anderson will provide the same numbers as AB , if not better numbers ……….
based on profootballfocus.com’s rating system. As far as stats, well……..over the past 2 years……..
AB 1675 snaps 12 Sacks 22 Hurries 45 pressures
Izzy 814 snaps 6 sacks 10 hurries 25 Pressures
MA 1012 snaps 4.5 Sacks 9 Hurries 29 Pressures
Here’s what that means…….
Sacks AB: 1 per every 140 snaps. Izzy 1/136 snaps MA 1/225
Hurries AB: 1/76 Izzy: 1/81 MA: 1/112
Pressures AB 1/37 Izzy 1/32 MA 1/35
Now, totaling sacks, hurries and pressures, to get a QB harassment ratio AB 1/21 Izzy 1/20 MA 1/24
So Izzy harasses the QB (and sacks the QB) more often per snap. Now, he has a large sample to work with, so it’s not like taking 20 snaps and comparing them to 1700.
This provides some solid stats that say while AB was a good player and person for us that Mark Anderson and Izzy could actually provide better numbers than Brown or at the very least the same stats .
The next point here is that Alex Brown was not worth 10.5 million dollars over the next two seasons . Hes a solid player and sorry to say it but soild ain’t worth that much . He got what he was worth from the Saints …… which was half of what he made as a Bear . As for the notion that we’ve cut him for nothing if the money doesn’t go for another player is just ludacris . We cut him to save 10.5 million that will not count aginest next years cap . The uncapped year provided a perfect opportunity to get rid of large player salaries that didn’t match the production level and thats what we did . AB made to much money for average production , as did Nathan Vasher . So really this was a good business move as well as a good player personnel move . And let me state this again , I loved Alex Brown as a player for us . He was a great team type guy for us for many years and in my mind will always be a Bear . But his play didn’t match his pay period .
Sorry for the long winded post but it all needed to be here as solid evidence .
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 8, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I don't need no stinking stats!
Based on what I’ve seen from Izzy, I think he’ll be able to play end quite well.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 8, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe we need a new thread on the subject of ABrown
each and every week until the season begins, then we up it to two threads/week.
“As for the notion that we’ve cut him for nothing if the money doesn’t go for another player is just ludacris . " Ludacris? Good rapper, but not much of a pass rusher.
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by lookingdeadred on Apr 8, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about that , Ludacris may just be good off the edge !
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 8, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Too small
wouldn’t be able to stand up to the tackles.
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but he has a good motor
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by lookingdeadred on Apr 9, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
/sigh
it’s more than just stats. I’m not saying that he was worth the $5m per, he wasn’t. But those stats do not tell the whole story. We can only hope that Izzy and MA can produce in the run game, read screens and drop off and help in coverage the way Brown did when called upon.
That said, I too think we’ll be fine.
We cut him to save 10.5 million that will not count aginest next years cap .
And only part of that money would count against next years cap, if a new CBA with a cap is agreed upon, that is.
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you did not address the issue
of replacing the production from the bench. Or the issue of using the money elsewhere, which it doesn’t appear we’re going to do. Or the issue of part-time players’ stats not staying at the same level when they move into a full time role.
Once again, I understand I fighting against the party line on this, so I don’t really care if everyone gangs up on me, but you’re pointing out things that don’t actually address the relevant points those in opposition are bringing up. Yes, II and MA had equivalent stats coming off the bench. But can they do the same full-time? And who is going to replace them off the bench? Completely unproven players.
by PrincetonCubs on Apr 10, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
will add
that I didn’t mean to restart the debate, just make a couple brief points in response to Kev H. I don’t think we need to rehash this anymore than you do.
by PrincetonCubs on Apr 10, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think many people are saying we're doomed because we cut Alex Brown...
I think most of us feel that we’re doomed because we did NOT cut Lovie.
Ironically
It would have been just as costly to cut Lovie as it was to cut Brown (both had about the same contract values).
You forgot
The fact that it’s an uncapped year is all well and good, but still, you don’t spend money just because you have it.
to mention that the Bears are in the top-5 in payroll. It’s not as if they don’t spend, but how they spend.
The stats or numbers say MA and II will be able to duplicate Brown’s production, which by all purposes were very mediocre at best.
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No one is complaining about losing Ogunleye
BECAUSE YOU’RE PAYING PEPPERS 92 MILLION TO PLAY HIS POSITION! Jesus.
and nobody F's with tha Jesus!
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by BearNecessities on Apr 8, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brown was a steal in the draft
And was very solid, just not worth 5 mil, just hope we use the money for something useful
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
No idea
I think they are just being stingy since I haven’t seen them make any moves with the money, but I guess we’ll see.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Really?
They just signed 3 of the biggest FAs on the market, I don’t think they’re being stingy with the money. That 5 mil they saved might be what they use towards Peppers. I wouldn’t expect them to turn around on spend that 5 mil on someone else considering they might have already spent it.
So I suppose
They cut Brown to make up for their poor spending policies.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Well he visited Hallas Hall around the time we signed JP
soooo….who knows what that meant
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ahhh yeah
cuz the Bears would waste money on a person to fly in if they weren’t interested in signing…yes cuz that’s usually how it works. ok. makes complete sense
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I'm not saying that he was driving his price up
I’m sure the Bears were interested. I think that there are some better fits at safeties for them out there anyways.
by Donald Driver on Apr 9, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
He's soft
What? Wrong thread?
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Apr 8, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
that's racist!
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by lookingdeadred on Apr 8, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
No sir, you're in the wrong thread aisle
you perhaps were looking for ones about Olsen, Greg or perhaps an eagles blog about Mcnabb, Donovan
He slept with his sister, ftw?!?
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hahahahahahahahaa
he’s soft and slept with his sister. He slept with his sister because he was soft?
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