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Gale Sayers



"Cutler hasn't done the job. Urlacher, I don't know how good he's going to be coming back. He's 33 years old. They need a couple wide receivers, a couple defensive backs. They haven't done a good job. If Lovie doesn't do it this year, I think he's gone. He had a good team the Super Bowl year. Nothing came together for him the last couple years."

Tell us how you really feel, Gale.

According to former Chicago Bears Hall of Fame running back Gale Sayers, the Bears are looking to have a very long and unproductive 2010 season. Quarterback Jay Cutler has not lived up to the trade hype, Urlacher  is washed up, the receivers and defensive backs need to work each other extra hard in practice just to be average and Lovie is all but out the Halas Hall doors.

Hey, at least Sayers didn’t single out just one person.

Sayers comments may have been taken out of context or not as harsh as they look in print. He even makes some valid points. But why come at your former team so hard? Why bash the very players that have carried on, and will continue to carry on, the great tradition that is the Chicago Bears?

Star-divide

Sayers states that he tries to attend every game he can and ‘lives and dies with the team’. If this is true, he must know of the injury plagued defense that was the ’09 season; he must know of the issues Cutler and his young receivers had getting on the same page early on last season, only to get better as the season progressed. He must also know that we have over hauled the coaching staff to add veteran wisdom and experience that cannot be measured by wins and losses alone. And he must know that we went out and spent money on big name free agents to help us in all areas of our football team. I mean, any die hard fan would know that we are no longer accepting mediocrity and are trying to do what we feel is best to better our team.

Constructive criticism is great, helpful at times. Any Bears alum as the right to voice his opinions about the current state of the franchise. Any fan has that same right.

But Sayers seems to be coming across a little condescending, a little mean spirited. Every position (receiver & d-back), player (Cutler & Urlacher) or coach (Smith) he called out has a very big season before them. They all have something to prove that might forever change their football futures. The last thing they need is a disgruntled former employee chirping negatives in their ear holes.

He put down a Bears team that has been bashed by all and wants to prove that they do belong in the same category as their division rivals, the Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings. Its one thing for an outsider to question the Bears moves this off season and cast doubt on the upcoming season, but when a former player who is now in the Hall of Fame does so, it becomes bulletin board material. For the egos of today’s prideful players it’s got to sting a little. Hopefully any future encounters between Sayers and the players on the current roster won’t be awkward, and will end with the current player saying, ‘I told you so.’


We must not forget that this is the same former player that picked the Bears to lose in the Divisional round of the 1984 playoffs. It’s also the same guy who picked the amazing ’85 Bears team to lose every playoff game, including the Super Bowl!

Sayers is no Nostradamus, so if his predictions keep going our way, I hope his mouth runs for more yards than his legs ever did.

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He's a fan too.

Look at how many of us jump on here and bitch and moan about decisions made by Lovie, or how Urlacher’s overpaid, or question the Cutler trade (O.K. that one generally gets me crucified). He’s being a fan and he’s being critical of a team that deserves some criticism. This is the second story on his comments. Gale Sayers doesn’t like the current state of this franchise. Big deal.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 10, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, and exactly which one of the statements he made

was inaccurate? Or even overly critical? Or even untrue?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 10, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say he's being

overly critical of Cutler when it was his first season. Cutler pissed me off last season beyond belief but I’m not going to say that it was a mistake to acquire him just yet. Urlacher is about to turn 32 not 33 so that’s inaccurate. We don’t need a “couple” WRs as much as we could use a legitimate #1, which may or may not be D.A. He’s off in a few places. Regardless if he is right or not, Sayers seriously complains about the Bears every single season. He kept picking us to lose during our Super Bowl year throughout the playoffs too.

Is he right about things regarding the Bears, yes any true Bears fan realizes these things but he also doesn’t even acknowledge that we are making strides to better ourselves either. Being around Chicago, he always pops up during a Cubs game or somewhere in the newspaper complaining and I’m surprised it’s getting so much media attention this year. It gets pretty old after awhile though when u hear it so much.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't read that he said it was a mistake to acquire Cutler....

I thought the comment was that he didn’t play up expectations. Also, he didn’t say the Urlacher was “washed up” (from the original post), he just said he didn’t know how well he’d come back. I don’t see anything wrong in that.

by BearFan611 on May 10, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was talking about myself

when I said “I’m not going to say it was a mistake to acquire him.” When he complains about us not having high draft picks in the past 2 years, he’s mainly complaining about acquiring Cutler. And about Urlacher all I did was correct his age, not disagree with what he said so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your comment came off like it was Sayers' opinion that Cutler's acquisition was a mistake.

The reason that I noted that the Urlacher being washed up comment was from the original post, was to indicate that it wasn’t your statement. I assumed you would figure that out on your own, sorry it wasn’t clear enough.

by BearFan611 on May 10, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cutler hasn't done the job.

Overly critical? You think he did get the job done? Sayers didn’t say he wouldn’t, just that he didn’t. He misses Urlacher’s age by one year but it is going out on a limb to wonder how effective he’ll be? We’re all shored up (for sure) at WO and DB? Also, what is the context of these statements? Was he being asked what he thought or did he call a press conference to announce this. I’m kind of surprised people are actually making a big deal over this. He sounds like any Bears fan.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 10, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

No sh*t he hasn't done the job.

I didn’t disagree with that, i said he was being overly critical. Like I just said above, complaining about not having draft picks is also another complaint about what we received in Cutler so I’m also referring to that. Can you disagree with that? I didn’t say he shouldn’t be concerned about Urlacher and I didn’t say we’re all shored up at WR and DB did I? I’m concerned about all the things he mentioned, the main point was all he does is bitches. He’s basically a famous version of No It All.

This season we’ve done a lot of good things have we not? Does that not merit some recognition? Do you honestly think if he was asked about what he thinks about the Bears that the question also included “only complaints please” too? That’s my problem with it. I respect the guy because he’s a Bears legend but you have to give the Bears some props for this off-season. I think they deserve some.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you had your fiberlax today? Getting plenty of fluids and exercise?

You seem tense. Gale Sayers does more than bitch. He is a philanthropist and avid supporter of local area schools. Maybe Gale just isn’t much of an optimist. Maybe people like you, and many who continue to see this as a story, expect more from a legend and I understand that. I just don’t agree with it. My point was, is and shall be that he, like us, is a fan. And some fan’s like to bitch and complain. No big deal.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 10, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I am not getting plenty of exercise but lots of fluids.

Thank you for your concern regarding my health, that’s very thoughtful. When I said all Gale does is bitch I must have meant it 100% literally, right? Come on man, now you’re just trying to twist things. What Gale does for schools, business and as a philanthropist isn’t what I am talking about and that has never been part of the discussion. I’m glad he does those things, what kind of person would hate on someone for that?

Gale is a Bears legend and whether he likes it or not, he represents Chicago Bears football. It’s his right to say whatever he feels and he is justified in his complaints, I share some of them as well, but I also think you should give credit when credit is due. Regardless of other teams, Chicago is a Bears town and when a great former Bear consistently complains about his former team’s short-comings without any positive reinforcement, he’s going to get a backlash. That is what is happening here. Maybe if you were personally a witness to all of his complaints from other previous years you would share the same feeling.

For the record, I’m haven’t said he was wrong about anything he said it’s just the principal of the matter to me. This story broke last week and when I commented about it then I didn’t get into he shouldn’t say this or that, I basically said “why is this news when the guy does the same thing every year?” That’s really how I feel about it.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok.

I never take anything or anyone 100% literally. If I do then there’s no breathing room. Gale bitches too much. OK. You should maybe try some light jogging or other aerobic activity. Maybe treat yourself to a nice massage. I guess we’re all good.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 10, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Massages are a lot better.

Especially if the masseuse is hot….

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 10, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've never had one.

I’m a poor, unemployed man. Whatever happened to the days when a college education really helped you get a job? Damn economy.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't it pronounced yogging

I think the “j” is silent

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 11, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

That is the correct pronunciation.

by rdent4hof on May 11, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

soft

If it was silent, it’d be “ogging”

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by Kev H on May 11, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

A soft "J" indeed...

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 11, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it was soft it'd be Greg Olsen.

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. " – Herm Albright

by Ditkavsworld on May 12, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Just when I thought this thread was losing momentum…

by rdent4hof on May 12, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just want to make sure no one forgets he's charmin soft.

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. " – Herm Albright

by Ditkavsworld on May 12, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gale Sayers isn't the only Bears legend to complain about the nature of the team

Not sure why this is getting blown to hell and high water. Wilbur Marshall, Richard Dent, Jim Mcmahon just to name a few off the top of my head said that the Bears have serious problems and have not done much to address them in recent years. How is that different from what we see on this board every day or when you ask any real fan that keeps up with the Bears.

He lives or dies with them just like us, so what’s the big deal again?

by Chitownproduct on May 11, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's pretty much what I'm trying to say

Isn’t he a fan too? we all get on here and blast the Bears and outright question the managerial decisions, I would think that giving a part of yourself, career wise, and knee wise, gives him just as much if not more of a right, to be pissed that his team sucks it up

"That's racist."

by BearNecessities on May 11, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

The point that I'm making

is that this is an annual event for Sayers. We might as well call it “The 39th Annual Gale Sayers Complaint Show” because he’s been out of the league since ‘71 and basically has been complaining since. He literally says bad things about the Bears every season so comparing when other Bears have complained about the current state of the Bears doesn’t hold a candle to Gale. As a “Chitownproduct” you should be familiar with how often this happens unless you don’t actually live around the area. I think a lot of people on here are missing my main point.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 11, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel you

I don’t pay old #40 no mind

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 11, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

we’re really beating a dead horse over some comments that were obviously answers during an interview and not, as you pointed out, part of a press conference called by Gale to let everyone know his feelings.

by BearFan611 on May 10, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

he called out Reggie Bush...

Put Reggie in a hot tub time machine and I bet he does as well as Sayers did way back when the defensive lineman were 250 lbs and LB’s were 220lbs.

by Ryan21 on May 11, 2010 8:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't like the time machine logic

If Shaq played in the 50’s or 60’s he would probably average 100 points a game. Gayle Sayers said that Reggie Bush was not an every down back and he’s not. Reggie Bush has never been the feature back in New Orleans but there is nothing wrong with that because he brings other stuff to the table. He was just speaking about how people try to compare him to Reggie Bush except that he was the feature back for the Bears and not just a 3rd down/specialty back/PR.

by Chitownproduct on May 11, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

the only issue i had was that he said he would be just as good today and that he called someone injury prone...

Which is what he was. I respect the fact that he has things to say. That is his right as well as everyone else’s. But to call out someone for getting hurt is way off base. And to say he would be awesome today on astroturf is impossible to prove and takes away from current players. Anybody in any sport that is good now would most likely be great against players from a bygone era. Sports evolve as do the players. Everybody is faster and bigger than the biggest and fastest guys back then. I am glad he was a Bear but the things I listed above really rubbed me the wrong way.

by Ryan21 on May 11, 2010 1:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

u obviously didn't read the article,

if you did and this is what you got, you can go ahead and move to greenbay and take that ungrateful traitor with you.

by flex280 on May 11, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

i hope u werent talking to me...

Because those are fighting words and to call me a traitor when I love the current Bears and the ones I have seen in my lifetime (since 1983) it is complete B.S. to non verbably, non physically but in a written format attack someone on a blog where we express our views on the team we love. I hate Green Bay and take extereme offense to your comment ( if u were talking to me)

by Ryan21 on May 11, 2010 1:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

easy fellas...

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 11, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

So let me get this straight.

You want me to hate Gale Sayers to prove I’m a real Bears fan?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 11, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

he was talking to No It All

Just click on the “up” and it will take you to the comment he replied to

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 11, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine.

He wants No It All to hate Gale Sayers to prove he’s a real Bears fan? The logic still escapes me….

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 11, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with the Sayers comments.

Obviously he is disgusted with how awful the team looked last year, and I applaud him. If he made them the week after the season ended, how many of us would rush to call his statement a brave appraisal of the state of the Chicago Bears franchise? But, as usual, as time goes on the fanbase replaces pessimism with optimism.

He makes some really good points. Yes, the D was injured last year. Sayers knows as well as anybody what injuries can do to an athlete’s aging body. You take his comments as calling out Urlacher, I take them as him speaking candidly and honestly.

More than anything, though, I’m happy that he doesn’t toe the company line. He says what’s on his mind, as does Jim McMahon, btw. He’s earned the right to speak as he wants about his former team. He bleeds blue and orange right along with the rest of us. I hate when loyalty is questioned because someone doesn’t support something 100%. Being brutally honest is needed sometimes, especially if that honesty is negative. It forces us take an objective viewpoint of whatever is being critiqued and allows for improvements. You can keep your rose colored glasses, thank you very much.

There is absolutely no reason for the people he called out to be babied. They are big boys and probably don’t care what Sayers says. And if they do? Even better. Go out and prove him wrong. I’m sure that every one of us as well as Sayers would love it if they do.

Also, the other part of his interview he said some awesome things about how he would’ve dominated still if he played this day and age. I agree wholeheartedly, he would’ve been amazing. And who knows, with modern medicine and training techniques, he may have gotten a few more years out of those knees and done things we can only imagine.

Tell it like it is, Kansas Comet!

by ChiLobo#23 on May 10, 2010 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

If Gale Sayers were on the Bears today, coming off his rookie contract, the Bears wouldn't pay him.

Sayers sounds like he’s criticizing player, but he’s really criticizing the management for not being able to capitalize on a young Super Bowl team in ’06, whose window is nearly closed.

by BigGeorgeTX on May 11, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I take it more as aimed at the leadership

He’s trying to prod them into stepping up and doing more of what’s necessary to improve. Urlacher aging doesnt mean Urlacher is done, it just means the team had better start planning for the future defense, stat! Even the Cutler comment wasn’t saying “He doesn’t have it in him”; it was saying “He hasn’t done the job”. A big part of that is due to coaching and management choices.

If Sayers didn’t still care about the team, he probably wouldn’t have had such specific comments as he did. Also, I’ll bet his comments came in response to a direct question such as “Sayers, are you disappointed in how much the Bears sucked the past couple of years?”

Also, I can’t disagree with this:

If Lovie doesn’t do it this year, I think he’s gone.

Maybe coming from Sayers, it will be more “inspiring.” No more head in the sand, Coach!

May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.

by juperee on May 10, 2010 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

when it comes to opinions

…Sayers is just like every one else, even football related opinions. As Mark pointed out, he has not proven to be a Nostradamus in the past. Sure, he makes some good points but so have a lot of folks here at WCG who don’t have Sayer’s playing pedigree. Just his thoughts, nothing more. I’m kind of like “oh well, who cares” about his comments.

"Do or do not... there is no try." - Yoda

by Maelvampyre on May 10, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

What he said. Part II.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 10, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sayre's is a tool and has been for over 20 years

not saying what he says is completely wrong, but the guy has been bitter for over 25 years. He could never accept the accolades that Payton received when he got here and was always jealous of him. He just has always had a grudge..

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on May 10, 2010 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow.

I guess we’ll agree to…. well, we just won’t agree. BTW

Sayer’s is
is a double “is” kind of thing. Saying a Bears legend is a tool for calling out the Bears is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black type of thing. Sort of a takes one to know one situation….

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 10, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

So I am a tool for listing an opinion?

You’re a little off base there. This is a blog and if you don’t agree with what I say then say so, but coming back and calling me one is alittle out od line. You have typed things that people disagree with many times but I don’t think that anyone has called you out personally. Grow up. As for Sayers, he was a great guy up until Patyon started to take off and his jealousy oozed. He never complimented the guy, ever. And he dissapeared from the franchise and went into his own world. The guy with Butkus was the face of the franchise and one of the greatest RB of all time. But he chose to pout and walk away from the Bears becuase another running back was getting too much credit and making people forget about for a little bit. Boo hoo. How about having some positive things to say about the franchise for once? Name me a time when he has said anything to promote the franchise in the last 20 years.? Again I don’t disagree with his statement, I just find it odd that everytime he decides to speak over the years it is off a critical nature.

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on May 11, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Didn’t mean to name call but fans criticize the team they follow. It happens. I think it makes Sayers “one of us”. I don’t agree with holding him to a higher standard.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 11, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well then in that same logic

most of us on this blog have many optimistic and positive things to say along with out criticisms. He is all one sided, never a good thing to say or suggestion to help. That is my point. Plus in my eyes he is at a higher level, he is one of the greatest players in history and he played for our team. Have a little pride and help them out to do something about it. Even if it is just construstive criticism. Just don’t go off firing on them, give them some suggestions. If they don’t listen shame on them.

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on May 11, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, man.

This is an annual thing with Sayers. It’s not the fact that he’s complaining (we all have complaints), it’s the fact that it’s all that he does. Ever.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 11, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not the point but

I’ve argued this too much at this point. I know he has the right to complain, I just have a problem with it being a constant barrage of complaints directed at this franchise year after year. I think I’m spent.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 11, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more

this whole subject has been way too analyzed.

by BearFan611 on May 11, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I apologize if this shows up twice, I typed it once and then it didn't show up the first time.

Right after Walter Payton was drafted, he was interviewed and said “I’m going to make people forget Gale Sayers”. This was before he ever took a snap in the pros. For those of us who grew up idolizing #40, that made it hard to completely warm up to Walter for the rest of his career. Obviously, he went on to have one of the greatest careers in NFL history, but I, and many of my friends, never forgave him for that. I would always listen very closely to Walter when he would discuss other great RB’s over the years and I don’t remember him ever bringing up anything about Sayers.

Also, while he was never over complimentary about Payton, I don’t remember Gale ever saying anything negative about him either.

by BearFan611 on May 10, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most telling line
We must not forget that this is the same former player that picked the Bears to lose in the Divisional round of the 1984 playoffs. It’s also the same guy who picked the amazing ’85 Bears team to lose every playoff game, including the Super Bowl!

This tells me all I need to know about him. To think I was going to buy his jersey. I’m so glad I got a Payton one on sale, cause Sweetness would never, ever, say anything to diss his former team. Again, he’s beyond bitter and should go concentrate on his business rather provide nothing new to talk about.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on May 10, 2010 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I know I'm going to get blasted for this, but....Come On...

are you forgetting about Payton pouting because he didn’t score in the Super Bowl? It was like they purposely tried to keep him from scoring. The Super Bowl wasn’t one of his better games all the way around, and I always thought it was pretty selfish that he threw a small wet blanket on one of the greatest moments in Bears’ history letting everyone know how hurt he was.

Ditka has apologized profusely over the years and knowing how McMahon handled things, does anyone really think that if either of them realized it was going to be such a big deal, they wouldn’t have made sure he scored. It’s not like he didn’t have his chances either, he just didn’t make it in.

Also, Walter made it known that once he retired he wanted to be the first player ever to have a part in owning a team and even spoke with the McCaskey’s about becoming a minority partner of the Bears. There were some bad feelings on his part over the fact that they didn’t let him buy in. I don’t blame him for that, it would have been a great thing for them to do and God knows he earned it. He also, at the time, made some negative comments about not getting as much support as they could have given when he tried to put a team in St. Louis and the NFL turned him down.

Walter was a truly great player, but he wasn’t exactly a saint either. I think we sometimes try to make our heroes more than they were, in all aspects of their lives, just because of their exploits on the playing field, especially those who have passed away at an early age.

by BearFan611 on May 10, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great insight.

The only thing I’d quibble with is your line:

Walter was a truly great player, but he wasn’t exactly a saint either.

It implies that Walter wasn’t a saint because of his disagreements with the Bears. No one should ever be put down for disagreeing with the McCaskeys.

This post brings up a very real (but probably unimportant) difference between fans on this site that I see creeping up all the time. Some people see any disagreement with or negative attitude about the Bears as somehow disloyal or acting as a lesser fan. Others, like myself, see criticism of the team we root for as all a part of the fan experience. It’s both emotional therapy and practical necessity. We point out what is wrong because we want better.

by ChiLobo#23 on May 11, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

probably a poor choice of words. What I meant to convey, in answer to Propheteer’s comments, is that Walter didn’t always support the Bears 100% either. I just had the feeling that he was making it sound like Walter was absolutely “perfect” and Sayers was, somehow, this evil being for giving his opinion because it didn’t go along company lines.

I couldn’t agree with you more about constructive criticism toward your team and settling for failure just because they are the Chicago Bears. To me, that’s the reason I don’t want to settle for mediocrity in our coaches, players, front office, playing surface, or anything else about the team I support. I want them to be the best at everything they do, or at least make the effort to do so.

by BearFan611 on May 11, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't perfect but did you ever hear

him criticizing the bears publicly instead of promoting them?

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on May 11, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just what I wrote above, but you also have to remember the media and availability to information

wasn’t what it is today. Unfortunately, he passed away at an early age so there wasn’t as much time for him to be asked his opinions about what’s going on. Do you really think that if he were alive and well that the press, the interenet bloggers, ESPN, talk radio,etc. wouldn’t be all over him for his opinion of the Bears the last few years? I’m sure that he would have made some comments that would not have been exactly welcomed by the Bears. That’s just the way it is today with all of the exposure that athletes and ex-athletes are subjected to. It would be impossible for anyone to not say something that others don’t agree with. When you’re a Hall of Famer and an icon as both Gale and Walter are, it gets blown up even more.

by BearFan611 on May 11, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Payton just handled things a little classier when dealing with the media. he didn’t come off like Sayers who always seems like a disgruntled fired former employee which he certainly was not. I an sure there were things that you heard about Payton outside of football that were not sparkling but he was respectful. There is nothing wrong with Sayers being critical, it is just the tone and arrogance in how he delivers his criticism. How about giving some advice and how better to do things??

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on May 11, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, Sayers is always extremely respectful when speaking of George Halas

it seems like his issues are more with the current pack of morons that run the team. I agree, he came off more aggressive than he needed to be, but communication was never his strong suit anyway, so as long as what he says is valid (which I think the majority of his comments were legitimate), I don’t have a real problem with it.

by BearFan611 on May 11, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that were the case

he would’ve stated that to the media specifically. Did he really criticize Urlacher with a straight face? He’s 33 and pretty much sucks. Well, at least he lasted longer than 7 years in the league. Sayers would be out the league within 3 years if he played in today’s NFL.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on May 11, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You've completely lost me with your comments here...

What was so “critical” about his comments concerning Urlacher? Everything that I’ve read stated that he said “he’s 33 years old and I don’t know that he can come back strong after the injury”. He never said he sucked or even inferred it based on everything I’ve read.

You’re right, Sayers would be out of the league in less than 3 years if he played now…..he’s in his 60’s!!!!!

How long do you think some of today’s players would have lasted if they were subject to some of the hits that are now illegal, but were accepted and commonplace in the ‘50s and ’60s. It’s absolutely ridiculous to compare players from different eras, there’s no way to say how any of them would fare.

by BearFan611 on May 11, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm being facetious

about what he said. My question is why does he have to be so negative about his so-called favorite team? Try to point out something positive like Peppers was a great signing, Harris was a good trade, and Wright was a good draft pick. Just picture yourself as a public figure spewing useless facts like he did. We all are well aware of the weaknesses on this team, we don’t need someone we adore (Sayers) saying this team virtually has no chance to compete against the Vikes and Pack. Ok, I’m done with this worthless subject!!

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on May 12, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you were being facetious,

sorry, I didn’t pick up on it. I do agree, this thread has gone on way too long.

by BearFan611 on May 12, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it upsets fans when someone who we look up to and respect...

Say the same thins as the guys on espn and the rest of the media world. Everyone praised Cutler until he was a Bear. Fans of course do and always will hold legends to a higher standard than anyone else. I think this is why this is such hot topic.

by Ryan21 on May 11, 2010 2:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

walter helped start an intermodal company

that is now under the same management as my company. matt suhey is involved with sweetness’s old company and it’s pretty cool to see and talk to him every once in a while.

by reefermadness3 on May 11, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big difference

between publically throwing your old team under the bus repeatedly, and being disappointed in not being able to buy into the team you gave your all to.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on May 11, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1000000

and I have his autographed Jersey in my basement and he was a grumpy jerk when he signed it.

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on May 11, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like he is just ****** off at how the whole team is being run and he is desperate to see them win again.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on May 10, 2010 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

and who isn't???

May the wind be always at your back, and may your placekicker have icewater in his veins.

by juperee on May 11, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gale Sayers: The Greatest Player EVER....

…that never participated in a playoff game. Oh, him and Dick Butkus. He was SO great, but his career lasted only a handful of unijured seasons without a single playoff appearance?

You think he has problems with the current Bears? Yes, we all do. But you would think that Gale Sayers, of ALL people, would understand all the moving parts involved in Jay Cutler’s performance last season (Ron Turner, the O-Line, the running game, the WRs).

But rather than the respectable, diginified Hall-of-Fame representative of the NFL’s elder franchise, Gale Sayers acts like an idiot with a megaphone trying to win an internet flame-war.

Heck, I’m still pissed at Papa Bear Halas and his crew for pissing away the greatest draft-day haul in NFL history (Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers at #3 and #4 in the 1965 NFL draft) – and I wasn’t even born yet!!!

Has Gale Sayers ever spoken out, questioning why Papa Bear Halas couldn’t manage to MAKE the playoffs with both Butkus and Sayers on either side of the ball? I didn’t think so.

The SF 49ers picked Ken Willard (FB, North Carolina) at #2, ahead of Gale Sayers. Funny thing is, Willard had more career rushing yards than Gale Sayers (6105 to 4965). Gale Sayers was great, but he might be one of the most overrated NFL players of all time, if durability is taken into consideration.

And the sun set on his greatness long ago. He’s just an idiot fan – only that he happens to be in front of a microphone.

by Sweetness Lives On on May 11, 2010 6:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I generally try to not attack others on this site, but this might be the most moronic post ever.

Let’s make sure we contact the Hall of Fame voters and all the players, reporters, coaches, and fans who actually watched him play and let them know that they are all wrong. He is overrated because Sweetness Lives On says so and there can’t possibly be any reason that he should be in the Hall. He and Butkus never won a playoff game, so dump both their sorry asses. While we’re at it, pull the card on that noodle armed Dan Marino. How could he have been elected when he never won a Super Bowl.

Thanks for clarifying to the rest of us how wrong we’ve all been over the years.

by BearFan611 on May 11, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

You obviously fight fire with fire...

…because, upon thinking that my post is moronic, you come back with one of the most moronic replies ever.

First off, you might try debating what I actually wrote, rather than spewing a bunch of nonsense.

I never said that Gale Sayers didn’t deserve to be in the Hall of Fame – I wrote that Gale Sayers “might be one of the most overrated NFL players of all time, if durability is taken into consideration.” He only had two NFL seasons with more than 1,000 yards rushing, and Devin Hester has already been more than Gale Sayers’ equal in the return game.

He is overrated because Sweetness Lives On says so and there can’t possibly be any reason that he should be in the Hall.

I never stated anything of the sort. This is hyperbolic flame-war material. Go find a lackey of your ilk if you want to tilt at internet windmills.

While we’re at it, pull the card on that noodle armed Dan Marino. How could he have been elected when he never won a Super Bowl.

Again, twisting words I didn’t even write. I’d say there’s a big difference between leading your team to the Super Bowl in your second season in the NFL (Dan Marino), and never even appearing in a playoff game (Gale Sayers). You may beg to differ, but you’d have to explain why you believe that way.

And if anyone doubts what an idiot Gale Sayers has become as far as being able to critique the performances of NFL players – Sayers apparently didn’t see the irony and idiocy of his own statements.

On Reggie Bush:

``You can’t compare that, because he gets hurt too much,‘’ Sayers said. ``He’s a fine young man. He’s a little light. He’s not a player who’s going to carry 25 times a game. He’ll get five carries, catch three passes and run back a couple punts.’’

Gale Sayers is the pot calling the kettle black. Sayers only had 10 career games with 20 or more carries, and only 2 games with 25 or more carries. He made his living off returning punts and kicks with a few catches out of the backfield thrown in.

Gale Sayers is listed in Pro Football Reference as 6’0", 198 pounds. Reggie Bush is listed as 6’0", 200 pounds. And how about that snippet about Reggie Bush getting injured too often? Hello? Gale? Hello? Even though Sayers was utilized relatively little in the running game – he still couldn’t manage to play more than 4 effective, injury-free seasons.

And this gem:

``I had some good moves and I used them very well,‘’ he said. ``The person who reminds me of myself is Barry Sanders. We both used the whole field.’’

Gale – YOU ONLY WISH. Barry Sanders played 10 years in the NFL, and gained at least 1,115 yards in EVERY season. Sayers managed to top that figure ONE TIME in his career.

Now that I examine his statements even more, I’m convinced that he’s turned into an even bigger egotistical prick.

He should rip the organization – the same organization that couldn’t engineer a team that could get him into the playoffs, that froze him out after his career, and that still can’t manage to string together consecutive winning seasons more than once a decade. But no, he chooses to rip individual players instead. Class act.

by Sweetness Lives On on May 11, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

All I can say is wow.

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 11, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's easy to say this after you've had time to think about it.

but your original post, at least in my opinion, denegrated Sayers as a player and questioned his status in the game. The fact that he did only play in a limited amount of time and still was a first ballot HOF’er should make it clear to anyone who knows the game that his exploits shouldn’t be challenged.

As far as number of carries, some of us addressed that subject several days ago, there weren’t many, if any backs of that era that carried more than 20 -25 times per game because a dual back field was used. Fullbacks actually carried the ball on a regular basis. Even during Payton’s earlier years, Roland Harper had several carries a game and almost hit 1,000 yards one season. Look at Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung (both HOF’ers) who shared carries in 12 and 14 game seasons, and Taylor still topped 1,000 yards. Don’t ever try to put athletes of different eras in the same pot, they can’t dictate the competition, sizes of opponents, etc. so why even go there.

You don’t like Sayers as a person, fine, but to try to make him less than a player than he was is ridiculous. I’ve gone on record as saying I wasn’t a huge fan of Payton’s from a personal standpoint, but you’ll never hear me say anything about his greatness as a player or question his place in history. As you obviously did with Gale.

by BearFan611 on May 11, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gale Sayers is the pot calling the kettle black. <blockquote

That’s Racist ;)

Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...

by Syndor on May 11, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we are taking it a bit too far

We can question Sayers all we want about his blatant hacking of the bears for years. But there is no way anyone can question his play on the field. He was before his time and he might have played at 198 but he was playing against 200-220 lb LB and 275 lb lineman, That would be equivalent to to 230 today. The guy had alot of heart and gave his all. But he is still an arrogant, jealous jerk…

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on May 11, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just settle down Sparky

Get educated before you pop off. The entire NFL would beg to differ, but hey, what do they know? Greatness at work

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.

by Just Dave on May 11, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's entitled to his opinion,

But anyone who has heard Sayers in his past gig on Chicago sports radio knows his sports knowledge is questionable at best.

I think he is a great player, but nothing he ever says will ever rile me up because I consider the source.

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 11, 2010 8:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Hello?? Captain Obvious here.

Mr. Sayers stated mostly fact. His observations are viewed through the lens of history.

Jay Cutler didn’t get it done – DUH! He also didn’t have the luxury of experienced receivers or solid O-Line play in front of him. No knock on Cutler (in my view) just stating the obvious.

  1. is 33 years old this year, and coming off a serious injury. Who would not question the level of his potential effectiveness? Sounds logical to me.

Lovie and company are probably done if they don’t play well this year - ooooooh big secret there. C’mon.

Was Mr.Sayers tone offensive? Don’t know I wasn’t there. Was he factually accurate? Yep.

Most of the grousing is coming from die hards like us. What would Bill Swerski say? Lester? All???

DA BEARS!!

by Suffering from Chicago Sports on May 11, 2010 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

WWBSS?

I like it… can we get a bumper sticker?

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 11, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brians song was a great movie

Billy Dee Williams was a heck of a Gale!

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 11, 2010 3:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Sayers would have played longer with modern medicine otherwise he is correct

Lets face it, if Sayers had access to the knee rebuiliding technologies available today there is no doubt he would have played longer and been much more productive. Also I agree with Sayers on some level that the bears seem to think that they are a tweak or two away from being a contender again and its just absurd. Lovie refuses to admit defeat and actually rebuild, unfortuneately for us Lovie can’t evaluate talent on a pro level so its going to be a long year. Sayers is right, he just should have been more diplomatic in presenting his argument. When you are an ex-Bear your statements carry more weight so he needs to be extra careful.

by Bears-Cubs Bulls on May 11, 2010 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

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