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Open competition? The Leading Candidates at Left Guard for the Chicago Bears

We've had more than a few opportunities to read about what Mike Tice thinks of the guys he has that could play left guard in the coming year. He likes a lot of the young linemen we have, and he likes some of the older guys we have just as much, but it begs the question. Who do you actually want starting at left guard next year?

An open competition is all well and good, but just as important as competition for a position is taking into consideration that an offensive line needs to gel as a unit if you hope to get consistent play, which means this can't be one of the Chicago Bears patented open competition until the last preseason game debacles. Follow me below the fold where we'll take a look at the players we have, why we'd want them starting, and why we wouldn't.

Star-divide

In no particular order...

Lance Louis:

Per CBSSports

Positives: Excellent athleticism and straight-line speed for the position. Able to lead running backs into the second level and beyond when pulling across the line. Gives great effort blocking downfield, at times going 30-40 yards across the field to knock out defenders. Plays with a mean streak. Will hit two or three targets in space and will finish open-field blocks by putting his defender on the ground. Underrated strength at the point of attack, and is well-built in the upper body. Moves well laterally, extends his arms and has a solid punch to keep defenders at bay in pass protection. Good explosion from his stance, and stays low to move his man in goal-line situations.

Negatives: Inexperienced as an offensive lineman. Should move inside at the next level as he lacks prototypical height for a tackle. Has gained 35-40 pounds in a little more than a year, and must prove he can maintain 300-plus pounds on his frame. Could gain strength in his lower body if staying on the line. Needs work on his kick-slide and footwork consistency, as he will get beat when relying on his reach and pure athleticism. Overextends occasionally when trying to punch, ending up on the ground too often. Missed all of 2006 with a torn left ACL suffered in spring practice and did not play during the first month of his sophomore season due to injury.

 

I think this really says it all about Lance Louis, he is literally what would happen if you took a young Brandon Manumaleuna and stuck him on the offensive line. I won't judge that as a good or bad thing, but that's what you'd have. He is inexperienced at the position, and even more inexperienced at LG since he played RG/RT in college in the time he actually spent on the line. I think Louis has promise, but I think he has more promise as Manumaleuna's replacement in two or three years and as a back up than he does as starting LG.

Johan Asiata:

I know what you're going to say, and that's who? Same thing I said, this guy is about as far off the radar as you can get as not only a undrafted prospect, but one of the few notable undrafted prospects who don't even have a rudimentary scouting report that you can dredge up on the almighty intarwebs. Here is what I can share about the guy in spite of this lack of already available information.

UNLV website

UNLV: A huge offensive lineman who continued his development and became an honors candidate as a senior ... Moved from right tackle to left guard in his final collegiate season ... A native of New Zealand, he has played football for just five years ... Name is pronounced "YO-han AH-c-AH-tah."

2008: Earned Honorable Mention All-Mountain West Conference after starting all 12 games for the second consecutive season (started 11 games at left guard and one at right tackle) ... Graded out highest among UNLV offensive linemen at 85 percent for the season ... Did not allow a single QB sack and recorded 34 knockdowns.

2007: Earned his first letter as a Rebel by starting all 12 games at right tackle.

 

And here is what we can say away from what his collegiate record was, he got a year on the practice squad after being picked up as a UFA last year, and has only played football for about six years in total his entire life. He's the very definition of a raw prospect, but the Bears have apparently seen enough in him as far as natural ability goes to keep him around.

I'm not a big college football fan, but my general understanding is the Mountain West conference is a bit of a joke, and has only recently become even remotely relevant in the grand scheme of things, however it's worth noting that 85% percent effectiveness rating as it at least shows his ability to maintain focus while in the trenches, even if it may have been against lesser competition. The fact he was an honors student means more than it might for some other players as he's still essentially learning the game, and being a quick learner may allow him to pick up what he needs before the season starts. 

Josh Beekman:

Again CBSSports

Positives: Has a stout, compact frame with very good upper body muscle thickness, broad shoulders, thick neck, thighs and calves, good bubble and tree-trunk like legs … Has the loose hips to change direction and flow down the line, showing classic knee bend and plant-and-drive agility to redirect … Shows good balance and a strong base to neutralize the bull rush … When stationary at the point of attack, he does an excellent job of using his hands to defeat counter moves … Naturally strong player who has demonstrated an exceptional hand punch to shock and jolt the defender … Moves athletically retreating to protect the pocket and shows good explosion on contact … Type who will immediately break down game films of the opponents once those tapes arrive at the football office … Plays with a high motor and wears his emotions on his sleeve … Mauler type who works hard to finish and will never back down from a fight … Few drive blockers show the initial quickness that Beekman possesses … Comes out of his stance with good urgency, getting into his blocks with hands properly extended, legs wide in his base and his pad level low … Especially effective at gaining advantage on scoop and reach blocks … Excels sliding from side-to-side when working in the short area … Has the loose hips to redirect quickly and is a master at staying on his blocks and riding his man out … In his last three years as a full-time starter, he never allowed a quarterback sack … You will never see him bend at the waist or lean to make contact … Quick getting his hands into the opponent's jersey to lock on and jerk down … Comes off the snap with his hands on the rise, and is very effective at locking on and walling off the defender … Hits with tremendous force and is very good at clubbing the defender in the head or chop blocking to take the opponents off their feet … Road grader who consistently plays with leverage … Keeps his feet moving upon initial contact and is very good at using his hands to move the pile … Has the brute strength to overpower and controls the action with his quick first step and low pad level to maintain position with a strong base … With his quick kick slide, he does a very good job of neutralizing pocket pressure … Has the strength and wide base to hold ground firmly at the point of attack and keeps his hands active to defeat counter moves … Demonstrates keen vision to quickly locate and pick up stunts and flashes good pass set, knee bend and anchor to beat even the quicker defensive tackles … Explodes with force when he hits a defender with his hands … Hits the defender with good force in pass protection and keeps his feet under him to beat the bull rush … Consistent at getting proper hand placement in attempts to lock on and sustain.

Negatives: Shorter than ideal for an offensive guard and might be a better fit at center, but compensates for a lack of height with a very strong base and lower body strength to consistently move the pile … Meticulous sort who tends to overanalyze things and will let bad plays linger in his thoughts … Will struggle a bit to maintain balance working in space (gets narrow with his base and crosses his feet on the move) … Does not have the speed to neutralize second-level defenders and will try to compensate by overextending and lunging, but this is not a problem when working along the line … Adjusts to backside movement, but lacks the ideal speed to stay on the play long once it gets into the second level … Needs to keep his feet underneath him better when working in space and is better served working in the short area, as he does struggle to locate and land on defenders in space.

Compares To: JASON BROWN-Baltimore … Like Brown, Beekman generates an explosive punch to shock and jolt the defender. He has very good initial quickness off the snap and the lower body strength to push the pile, but lacks the timed speed and balance to be consistent attacking second-level defenders. He does a very good job of driving the defender off the line and his low center of gravity and quick hands could see him eventually slide to center at the pro level.

So I'm pretty much on record as being a big fan of Beeker, and honestly think he's the future of the center position on the offensive line, but this is also why I'm against seeing him as the starting left guard.

When he started at LG in 2008 in his second year in the league, he was actually an acceptable player considering the way he was somewhat thrown into the job. You can see by the following stats, courtesy of PFF, that Beekman actually did fairly well at pass blocking, and while he had a bad game here or there, his run-blocking wasn't great, but was rarely abysmal. Also, for a sense of comparison take a look comparing Beekman to other OG that were drafted ahead of him in '07 including Ben GrubbsArron Sears, and Justin Blalock. You can have some fun taking a look at the numerous other guys that were drafted ahead of Josh Beekman, but to say he did comparatively well would be a fairly large understatement.

So here I am throwing all kinds of support behind Josh, but I still don't want to see him at LG again, not because I don't think he's the best guy for the job, but because Kreutz is coming off Achilles' Tendon surgery, and is the very definition of the long in the tooth elder statesman interior linemen. Kreutz is tough as nails, and without a doubt can and will play through any injury that doesn't keep him entirely off the field, but at certain point you have to start making moves for the future and this to me is one of those times. As has been noted by Mike Tice on a couple of occasions, due to Kreutz injury and rehab Beekman is taking the first team snaps at center which means while he has starting experience at LG, he'll be losing out on a lot of time he could be gelling with Chris Williams, and will not be focusing on the LG position through the beginning of camp.

Basically, the only thing that makes less sense than not having your starting LG get reps with the offensive line before the preseason, is having your only real back up center, when you know your current center is getting up there in years and coming off an injury, as the starter at another position along the line. Beekman is going to be a good lineman, and possibly a great center, but this just seems like a bad idea in the mid to long term.

Kevin Shaffer:

Ugh, this is the part I was dreading. When I said this was in no particular order, I lied. I really hate writing what I'm getting ready to write about Kevin Shaffer. He's older, he hasn't played left guard in his entire life as far as I'm aware, but he still might be the best option we have for the position.

He was a fairly dominant left tackle for Tulsa in college, and continue to have a productive career at the same position for the Atlanta Falcons, as a part of a fairly dominating run blocking line the years he was on the team. He was basically let go by Atlanta due to cap considerations as he was playing at a nearly all-pro level at LT right as his contract expired. The Browns picked him up, moved him over to RT, and well he played at a fairly average level. That was the biggest problem with Shaffer's tenure in Cleavland, he wasn't really bad at any point, but they signed him to a fairly large contract and he never lived up to it.

The biggest concern with Shaffer at LG is his height, and the fact he's not really a natural knee bender. He tends to play high and make up for it in part with his above average size, and above average physicality. He'll never be described as fast, and his technique is passable at best. He does excel at run blocking due to being the very definition of a mauler, and that may not be a bad thing.

As I started off this section about Shaffer, I hate to say name him the starting LG because of both his age, and the need to find someone to take the position long term. He's going to be 30 at the start of the season, so even if he's the answer to this specific question, he'll only be one for the next two or three years at best. To reiterate, it's also a position he has zero experience at. However, taking into account his skill set and the positions he actually does have experience at it's not out of the question to see him taking what he learned at RG, combining it with his years of experience at LT, and being a fairly nice mauling LG. He also has the added benefit of not being Josh Beekman allowing him to focus primarily on being prepared to be a starting center, while also giving him the job of being a reliable back up at both LG and C should the need arise.

J'Marcus Webb:

I'd call him JDub, but I'd like to see the kid actually make the team first. I love everything I've heard about him thus far, but he's a seventh round draft pick and to be honest, way too damned tall to be a starting LG in the league. Not to go backwards, but people question Shaffer at LG because he's six foot five inches, add another three inches onto that and you'd have have a damn hard time trying to see over the guy on some of the short routes. Even forgetting the fact that his height basically screams tackle, but he has intelligence and work ethic related issues, both of which spell doom for him attempting to start at any position in his rookie year. Busting up Mike Tice's grill does not a left guard make.

So my personal ranking on who I'd like to see get the nod at LG before going into camp would be...

  1.  Kevin Shaffer
  2. Josh Beekman
  3.  Lance Louis
  4.  Johan Asiata
  5.  J'Marcus Webb 

That ordering could change based on how they look in camp, specifically Asiata who I have little to go on, and how well Shaffer adapts to the change of position. What do the rest of you think?

 

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Lance Louis gets my vote

Looked really good last preseason, outstanding athleticism.

by Mike Mueller on May 11, 2010 7:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree

If we are indeed building for the future then put him out there and let him get actual game experience now…..He doesnt hafta be an all-pro but a solid starter. 5solid starters on a line makes for a very good line imo

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by EmmCeee on May 11, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

beekman

I think he should start..

by tazz34 on May 11, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Lance Louis runs a 4.72 40

Can I sense FS in his future, he is versatile and sending him to FS would best use his skills.
Seriously though, I like the look of Beekman’s scouting report, and he could be a great replacement for Kreutz.

by DaHamsta on May 11, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

IMO...

Louis and Beekman are about the same level of talent. Beeks is a bit more polished and has the in-line blocking and low-body strength. Louis is better up top and has a greater level of athleticism for pulling and blocking on the move. If we could splice them together, they’d be great. However, in reality, Beeks needs to move in at C and LG is going to remain a weak spot. Louis is the best consolation prize and should win the job unless a vet is brought in. Shafer is just not a G, he’s a RT and the Bears need him to be the back-up at T. Asiata and Webb are just unknown, Asiata is probably lacking in overall talent and Webb is a project who is not ready yet. I think Tice can get enough out of Louis to make it work, but Martz’s offense may be a bit complicated for a young guy trying to develop OL skills. The Bears really need a stop-gap vet.

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by LostInSTL on May 11, 2010 8:33 PM CDT reply actions  

It's a tough call really as far as Shaffer goes...

He’s played LT/RT for most of his career, but at the same time he’s not real mobile, his footwork is often somewhat suspect, and he plays with the mauling mentality of a guard.

I really think they should see how he looks at the position, as it’s not like it’s going to hurt his development at this stage of his career, and worst case scenario is that he provides more depth showing he can play backup LG in a pinch as well.

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by Jacob Hayes on May 11, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to see the Bears use Louis much like Cincinnati uses its offensive linemen.

Was anyone else astonished by Benson’s numbers last season at Cincy? Maybe because they would frequently use additional offensive linemen during the game. I would like to see Louis line up as a 2nd tackle/TE (isn’t he naturally a tight end?) and give the team the ability to really pound the ball. Put him and Manumaleuna as double TE’s and let defenses try to stop the run. If it made Benson a real running back, what would it do for Forte or Taylor?

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by Just Dave on May 11, 2010 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Like in SB20, for Jim McMahon’s first TD, where the Bears had an extra tackle on the OL and Sweetness and Perry in the backfield. No receivers. Smashmouth football at its best and boy, did the Patriots get smashed in the mouth that play game season.

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by Spongie on May 12, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is an excellent idea

Especially with the Martz offense. Move Olsen outside (he’s better than most of our receivers) if needed. I can see this creating some huge rushing numbers.

by Hawkeyes on May 12, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would make an awsome goal-line package

And it might help improve some of our red-zone issues from last year.

by JimmyMack on May 12, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent summary

Very informative – Tice will earn his money if he can figure out the pieces to the puzzle.

Just wanted to mention one line that caught my eye:
“I’m not a big college football fan, but my general understanding is the Mountain West conference is a bit of a joke”

Just thought I would mention that Brian Urlacher played in the conference that would become the Mountain West Conference. That means as much as implying that Johan Asiata may be lacking because he played in the Mountain West. I’m not saying he is anywhere near the comparative level of Urlacher. What I am saying is that the conference a player plays in is over rated when it comes ot judging his quality as a football player.

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by Maelvampyre on May 11, 2010 9:01 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

As far as offensive lineman go...

It’s really tough to judge talent if they aren’t going up against elite tackles and ends and such.

I know it’s not the end all be all of judging talent, but it does make his 85% rating a bit more questionable.

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by Jacob Hayes on May 11, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The reality is

We should have been building depth and getting ready for this over the past few years – instead of hording DEs like they were going out of style. I think we have to go with Beekman, because he’s our only guy with any experience who we know can play at this level for 16 games. Louis may be an intriguing athlete, but it just seems like he’s too much of an unknown. Angelo’s years of neglect on the offensive line has put us in this risky position.

by JimmyMack on May 11, 2010 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

This man speaks truth, especially the bit about Angelo.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta

by Spongie on May 12, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Angelo is a clown

We could’ve had Kerry Rhodes this year for a 4th rounder – and used our 3rd rounder on the best guard available (or maybe traded that pick as well for Sears or another veteran guard). After that, if he wanted to blow the rest of our picks on DEs, I would not have cared in the least.

by JimmyMack on May 12, 2010 5:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Shaffer's size at LG

but Louis or Beekman might be a better fit based on their athleticism. The Bears might be reluctant to move a tackle to guard based on their experience from last year. I’m surprised on how lengthy Beek’s positives are.

Great post btw!

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by propheteer on May 11, 2010 11:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Beekman!!!For no reason really. I just like him a lot.

by I love football! on May 11, 2010 11:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I like Lance at the LG spot.

I would like to get as many O-lineman on the field with a mean streak and the ability to block on the 2nd and 3rd levels as possible.

Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...

by Syndor on May 11, 2010 11:47 PM CDT reply actions  

We need a mauler!

Even in Mad Mike’s passing offense we need a badass to help run the ball and let the other team know we’re gonna run the ball against them.
GB, MIN, and now DET all have some big D-linemen, personally i want our biggest and baddest up against them, thats Shaffer.

by mooseknucks on May 12, 2010 12:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely

Your guards have to be able to maul the DTs, especially when you get on the goal line. Remember how pathetic we were in the red zone last year? This is one of the big reasons why we stunk so bad on the goal line, and lost those close games. When I think of last year, I’ll always remember Forte getting blown up on 2 straight goal line plays – both running behind the left side (in the Atlanta game). On the second play, Forte got nailed (behind the line, I believe), and the ball popped out.

That’s also part of the reason why Cutler had so many red-zone picks last year. He (and everyone else) had no confidence in our ability to run the ball inside the red zone.

by JimmyMack on May 12, 2010 5:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see what Louis can do -

the athleticism is intriguing, and Schaffer was pretty dreadful in limited time last year.

I’m worried about Kreutz. He was blown up pretty consistently last year: how many times was Forte hit by DTs in the backfield? Right after getting the ball? Olin, God love him, has demonstrated fire and excellence for a decade. But the time’s come. Beekman at center, Louis at guard, Omiyale and Williams at the tackles. Garza because he graded out well. And go with it.

We need youth on the line. We need players that Tice can coach up and that can gell over many seasons.

Olin is an undisputed leader of the team – but for how long? It has to end sometime. If Beekman can play at a higher level as judged by Tice, he should get the job.

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by MPG on May 12, 2010 6:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Great post and excellent comments!

I wouldn’t put Schaffer anywhere on the interior. I like the fact that he can play at both T spots. So lets keep him there (at T), for when we’re in a pinch. IMO, every team needs a serviceable swing tackle. Plus I don’t believe Schaffer can play Guard. To tall and no bend… no thanks.

I’m a Lance Louis fan. If he proves worthy in camp, lets give him a shot. Strong, fast and aggressive. Physically Louis is perfect for playing guard. He only lacks the experience. But at least LL Cool G has been playing Guard in practice for the past year and has a heck of a teacher in Tice. LL is my guy for LG!

Asiata is intriguing, but has a ways to go I would imagine. Maybe he replaces Garza eventually…

If the Bears believe that Beekman is the future center, then that’s where he should remain. Given Kreutz’s age and performance last year. There’s no guarantee he makes it 16 games. Let’s have Beekman ready for center this year and beyond. I think Skiz711 nailed it when he said this…

As has been noted by Mike Tice on a couple of occasions, due to Kreutz injury and rehab Beekman is taking the first team snaps at center which means while he has starting experience at LG, he’ll be losing out on a lot of time he could be gelling with Chris Williams, and will not be focusing on the LG position through the beginning of camp.

As for J’Marcus Webb. JDub is a project tackle. JDub is not a project guard.

by rdent4hof on May 12, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

While I love the scouting reports

They are old. All the players have developed from that time. I do like seeing what the scouts thought of them before they were drafted.

And no way should Shaffer or Webb see any reps at guard. I think the best man will win the sport, and if it’s Beekman he should start. Going from G to C isn’t as difficult as going from tackle to a different position. The blocking angles and much closer in the interior in the line. So if Kruetz were to go down, sliding Beekman over wouldn’t be a big deal.

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 12, 2010 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

...and by the way

Real good in depth post, good stuff!

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 12, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gracias.

:D

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by Jacob Hayes on May 12, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ja, however the thing about scouting reports when you go back and look at old ones...

They generally never lose strengths, just possibly improve on weaknesses barring injury related issues.

I don’t want to see Webb at guard period, Schaffer I wouldn’t mind seeing how he looks in camp, if he looks pretty good, great, if not, keep swinging.

It’s not a huge issue going from G to C, it is however a huge issue when ever single other person we’re talking about at G has zero experience at G. So, if Kreutz were to go down and Beeker would need swung to C to his new home, that’d leave one of a few different players that basically have very little to no experience at the position. Just not a good situation IMO.

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by Jacob Hayes on May 12, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice write-up!

I’ve always liked Beekman, and most of us seem to agree that he should be our future Center. I’d actually like Beekman to be our Center now, but that’s not gonna happen (Kreutz will be the C for this one last year – I think it’s that last year of his contract).

In the meantime (until next season when Kreutz is gone), Beekman is still our best Guard.

Beekman scouting report comments: Beekman is a “mauler” (vs. many WCG fans who say just the opposite). Beekman’s biggest weakness = doesn’t get to the 2nd level (vs. has easily been the most effective of our lineman at getting out & blocking downfield).

Lance Louis does sound like a promising prospect at LG. Hopefully he can take over the LG spot next season when Beekman moves over to Center.

by MakeHalasProud on May 12, 2010 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Beekman was a mauler in college

But so far not in the NFL

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 12, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if I'd say that, at least with the sample we have to work with.

We have an absolutely awful sample of plays on Beekman to actually judge his ability to maul on an NFL level, and here is why.

If you look at the 2008 ratings for the lineman, the year Beeker started the whole year, he was lined up next to St. Clair who was absolutely retched the entire year. The whole year Josh was basically picking up St. Clair’s slack and Beekman still ended up with fairly good pass blocking numbers. The only problem is if you’re super concerned with picking up the LT’s guy on every play, it’s really tough to focus on finishing your initial block. Last year in the couple of games he played, you see the exact same issue as all the games he got a good amount of time in, he was playing along side Pace was was almost as bad as St. Clair was.

I think his abilities are still there from college, he just need the chance to actually be able to leverage them.

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by Jacob Hayes on May 12, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

A mauler to me

is a guy in the run game that can destroy a DT, and I’ve never seen that from him.

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 12, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

For me, it's hard to say that he can't...

When more often than not he has been forced to help against the DE instead of staying on the DT.

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by Jacob Hayes on May 12, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

When the Bears man up blocking

he isn’t getting a road grader type push

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 12, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely agree with...

wanting Beekman as our starting C now instead of later, I just don’t see Kreutz coming back off of even minor surgery as good as he was last year, and he wasn’t great then. It’s also a pretty much forgone conclusion he’ll be starting there in 2011 as long as there is a season, so I’d love to get ahead of the game a bit.

The thing is though, since Beeker is taking all the first team reps at C when camp opens because Kreutz is still going to be rehabbing and such, that means someone else is going to have to take the first team LG reps. Who should it be? Whoever is taking them is going to have to be able to actually play the position once the season comes so to me there are two schools of thought.

Schaffer because he’s a mauling tackle, and despite his lack of knee bend he should be an above average pass protector inside.

Lance Louis as he theoretically should be getting groomed to take at least a solid backup role on the line, and getting those first team reps may show he can actually go ahead and take it this year.

I don’t know which one I really fall on, because I’d like to see Schaffer at LG just to see how he does, since he really is just backup fodder otherwise, but at the same time I’d love to see LL develop and be surprised.

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by Jacob Hayes on May 12, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

mauler?

I agree that Beekman is not what comes to mind when I think “mauler”.

However, when you look at our line, Beekman might actually be the most “mauler-like” of the bunch (I know – that’s not saying much).

I guess what I’m getting at is: we have no maulers.

by MakeHalasProud on May 12, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Quite a Conundrum

Great Post BTW. June 1 is fast approaching. This means more Free Agent casualties. While our Bears may not be actively looking at anyone in particular, my bet is Angelo and Co. are keeping at least one eye on the market.

Since we don’t have any true LG prospects on the roster, I’d wager they’ll look to FA to fill the spot.

We do have guys with good skill sets, but all suited for other places on the line. Tice may be a genius, but he isn’t God. Lovie and his merry men have been working diligently for years cramming square pegs into round holes – damaging them along the way. Signing a serviceable, natural, LG even for a few years, would be the way to go. We have WAY too many projects as it is.

Schaeffer is your swing/back-up tackle. Beekman is the new center – Olin (I love ya man) time to become the teacher and backup. Lance Louis – he another year away from starting. He would benefit from getting a lot of time in a backup role, until he finds his place1 (RG?).

We were one pick short in the draft (the 2nd rounder we lost) of completing the OL. Tragic.

by Suffering from Chicago Sports on May 12, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

my vote..

Definitely for louis…have beekman be the backup center again since i see kreutz finding the door by the end of the year if he doesn’t improve.

by Pretender85 on May 12, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Beekman: Here's why...

… While I think the organization still strongly believes that Beekman is the Center of the future when Kreutz’s contract expires, I think Louis is the Guard of the future as well. However, that future doesn’t necessarily mean for 2010.

I think there is a real telling tale when a team makes choices during the annual draft. We all know that the Bears have needed a Guard for several years now. Sure, they really didn’t have any high round picks the past couple seasons, but looking at the Bears history…

… they don’t typically draft lineman high anyway. There documented method of finding lineman is late in he draft and through free agency.

Looking at the pros-cons of Louis, it seems as though he has all of the physical tools and athleticism to be a good lineman in the NFL. The problem is that he is raw.

Enter Mike Tice.

Also, consider that the Bears stuck with him through his off-the-field legal woes. That says quite a bit about how much the organization believes in a VERY late round draft pick that would cost nothing to rid themselves of.

Beekman is entering his fourth year like Jahri Evans of the Saints, so you should more veteran-like ability from him this year. I think you also have to play him to see if he can make the transition to the Center position in a year.

Louis will gain valuable insight from being on the roster this year and being able to practice and train with the active roster.

An improved Beekman is what I see want to see in 2010. I think we will see it.

Semper Fi

by ChicagoMarine on May 12, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

depending

on how a lot of draft “experts” are expecting our drafting place to be next year (10 – 13th overall), we may be trading down to get a great center or guard near the end of the first round. I can see it happening.

Of course, I would prefer we be drafting around 26 – 32nd and just being going center or guard anyways :)

by Nih1lus on May 12, 2010 6:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Left out of Guard

My selection is for Lance Louis. Shafer played last year for the last 5 or so games and lacked effort, or so it appeared. He would make a decent backup. Beekman should be the next center and allowed to concentrate on this very important , play calling position.
He should play some to allow Olin some doown time to be more effective for the rest of the time he would be on the field. Just as Cutler needs a backup, to minimize injury risks, so does our captan of the O Line. Lance Louis should be groomed for right tackle. This leaves bringing in a stud or hoping the guy from New Zealand is ready, or get by with Shafer for a year while we wait to get his replacement in the 2011 draft. He could start late 2010 or early 2011. I am sure the budget minder bears will do. Cutler will need a replacement then if he gets hurts. Pennywise and dollar foolish. Some things never change. We need a veteran FS from St Louis who is available and a starting left guard. I am still hoping they end up with a bargain Free Agent like Rubin Brown was. Baltimore may cut one.

by Ross Sano on May 14, 2010 2:23 AM CDT reply actions  

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