Freddie Barnes!
by fortefan09 on May 19, 2010 8:11 AM CDT
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PrintFirst off, I already know what everyone will most likely say.
You can say that your happy with our wide reciever corp or that we need a veteran reciever, and I agree. But, I am writing this statement for Freddie! He is just way too solid of a reciever to let go. I keep on trying to convince myself of any reason that we wouldnt need him. I just cant come up with anything. You can even say that he played in a so so conference against so so teams but if you watched him play, youll know that he is just a straight up solid, great hands, great route running reciever. If you dont believe what Im saying, just go here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw0a-5xV--w
Hopefully we can find a way to keep him!
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He's not fast (4.67 40 time); is he quick enough?
He needs to be able to demonstrate that he can get separation between him and a defender on the NFL level. At 6’ and slow, he really needs to shine on special teams to make the team. If he can demonstrate that he’s worth more to the Bears than Rashied Davis, then he could make the team. I’m skeptical though.
Not that worried about the speed.
We have our fair amount of burners. If he’s a quality route runner with good hands AND he’s not afraid to go up and snag a ball out of the air… then I say he’s definitely worth a look or two. Good routes will create as much (if not more) separation as speed will.
But like you said, I think the best he can hope for is special teams play.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on May 19, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
What did Fitzgerald run his 40 in?
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 19, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
No one ever said that...
I knew I should have put the “now I’m not saying Barnes is Fitzgerald” line on my comment…
Point being there is room in the NFL for players that run good crisp routes that have good hands.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 19, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
his point still remains.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on May 19, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
And Fitzgerald isn't Barnes.
So we both have valid points now!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 19, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
4.53
link
and taller & slightly bigger:
Ht., Wt.: 6’3, 225
I know speed isn’t everything, but if you don’t have size and you don’t have speed, and you don’t look fast on tape, then your road to an NFL roster as an undrafted WR is going to be VERY difficult.
by Mike Mueller on May 19, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
He has speed
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on May 19, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
slippery eels make wonderful pets
I already know what everyone will most likely say.
Betcha didn’t know I was gonna say that
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 19, 2010 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Not for this guy
A chef from Sichuan, China, died after an eel was inserted in his rectum as a joke, according to local reports. The 59-year-old man was admitted to a local hospital with severe abdominal pains and dehydration. Doctors were shocked after they operated on him and found a 50cm long, 250g Asian swamp eel in the man’s rectum. The eel had gnawed at the man’s intestinal track and caused heavy internal bleeding and infection. The eel was reportedly inserted into the man’s bottom as a prank by his friends after he passed out drunk.
by Mike Mueller on May 19, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
TMI!
Nice friends he had….jeez.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
I never said to insert the eel in a rectum!!!
That is disgusting… What kind of friends do you have if that’s their idea of pass out drunk fun?
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 19, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
rectum...damn near killed 'em!
Please, call me Juicebox.
by BearNecessities on May 19, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't expect that at all.
Like MuleTrain said dude looks slow, but if he can beat Rasheid and get past Eric “All World” Peterman he might be able to contribute on ST.
BearNecessities you're my assistant, okay you're supposed to
back me up and go get me juice boxes when I tell you. Now go get me
a juice box.
by Ditkavsworld on May 19, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Practice squad fodder
I hope he plays well enough to make it there, but I have my doubts about even that.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
I don't know maybe speed is overrated...
But he looks really slow. I mean sometimes speed can be taught but Lance Louis ran a 4.71 for crying out loud. Anywho if he can improve the team then i’m all for it.
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
No, speed can't be taught.
You are either born with it or you aren’t. Technique can be taught.
"Do or do not... there is no try." - Yoda
Not true... They have speed camps just for that purpose.
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
Like I said..
Sorry, hit the post button by accident.
They teach technique, not speed, no matter what they say. You are either born with it or you aren’t.
"Do or do not... there is no try." - Yoda
I've seen kids increase 40 times just by going through speed camps
I’m talking tenths of a second not hundredths… Speed can be acquired with better technique.
Everyone is born with a certain amount of natural speed, but through running, leg work outs, core work, and technique, you can get faster.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 19, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly I went from a 5.00 40 my sophmore year to a 4.39 by the end of my junior year in high school.
I also worked with a speed coaches during that time. So I know it’s possible to train your body to run faster.
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
me too.
I dropped my 40 time almost a half a second, from a 9.89 to a 9.45. I felt like I was flying.
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"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox
by David Taylor on May 19, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cocaine's a helluva drug....
"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.' - Chris Berman
by Sam Householder on May 19, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The awesomeness of that quote can only be explained by this pic
(Asshole Sr) "If you learn one thing here, NEVER pass out in Ohio."
UNITY!!
"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.' - Chris Berman
by Sam Householder on May 22, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I've coached track for 11 years
Speed can be improved. But you also grew as a man from your sophomore year to the end of your junior year. Speed is innate. If you have it, good coaching can improve it. If you don’t have it, you never will. Not at an elite level anyway.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I hope you don't mind me asking.
But is 13 sec for 100 meters good for a 14 year old? (5’11" 150 lbs and growing)?
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on May 20, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Boy or girl?
Makes a difference. That’s really fast for a young lady and something to build on for a young man. When you get below 12 seconds at 14 you’re showing strong potential. What’s the 200m/400m time like?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Boy
He has had no specific training in track to my knowledge other than to get into the starting position. I don’t know if he has been timed in those distances.
He was chosen to run the 1500 meter and 3000 meter (as well as shot put and discus) for his school.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on May 21, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
he has been playing oline
but I think he has hit the point where he is too light for the position.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on May 21, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I should ask you to define good.
I consider good athletes as those kids who’s ability allows them to lead their team or at least set the example for the team. Is 13 seconds for a 100 good? It is above average. Would it set them apart from other track athletes in the same age group? No by too much. But as I said, you can build upon it. 5’11 and 150lb’s pretty lanky for a 14 year old. Long legs can make for great distance runners.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
leadership
I have no doubt about his leadership on the field or in practice when he plays football. I keep getting the same reports from his coaches no matter what sport. He has been good at mentoring younger or less experienced players.
I think he is fast off the snap. It is difficult to judge things at times as his team is undersized, underweight and, even by Canadian standards, under-coached. The only coach with solid credentials had missed half the practices due to work.
One of the fun parts for me is watching him and his foster brother when they go head to head in practices. Neither wants to give up anything. Different builds (foster son is 5’6" and 148 lbs) but both strong and determined.
Thanks for the advice.
How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on May 24, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I threw discus
and shotput from 4th grade until high school. It was a blast until my shoulder injury – but then I joined rugby, so it was all good. Tell him good luck! :]
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
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by Ashley Czuba on May 23, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 20, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Not true.
My freshman year i was running a 4.67 40yd
I went to a speed camp in indy my sophomore year and increased my 40 to 4.56 in a month at the speed camp
And if you say they only taught 40 technique
I increased my game speed aswell
Over the next two years i went to the same camp and by my senior year i was running a 4.47 at 6’1 205lbs
Speed can be taught and increased through training
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on May 19, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true
But you also grew and developed as a man during this time. Nature itself was also making you faster.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
This is also true
But at these camps they show you the workouts you can do to become faster
what works, what doesn’t
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on May 20, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
So in a way
They teach you how to utilize all of your speed to it’s highest capabilities
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
by suckmyditka on May 20, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
College players also go through the speed camps
and also have their times increase.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 20, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
They are also growing.
Men don’t physically peak until their early to mid 20’s. I know speed camps help kids but my bottom line is either you have the speed to become elite or you don’t. You can’t put an average runner through years of intense physical training and make them an elite sprinter. No matter what. God has to bestow the gift, then you develop it. Can you make an OK runner good? Yes. Can you make a good runner great? Maybe. Can you make an OK runner great? Hell no.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
No.
We already have this guy. Actually we have two of these guys.
Their names are
Iggy
and Bennet
And both of them are even faster than this barnes guy.
He won’t make the team.
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Martz will always find a spot for a good WR
I think if he sees something in this guy he’ll land on the practice squad at least, if not then he’ll be gone.
"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.' - Chris Berman
by Sam Householder on May 19, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions
He has 3 1/2 months
To prove that he deserves a roster spot. If he makes it, good for him. If not, too bad so sad.
Mike Hass part II
He’ll be Mike Hass part 2, whom I wish would have gotten more of a shot. I see the same thing happening here, me wishing him to do well enough to get in an actual game to prove himself, but then just getting bounced on and off the practice squad.
Blast from the past...
good call on mike hass…..i was thinkin more brandon ridieu
by chicagosports23 on May 22, 2010 5:45 AM CDT up reply actions
both those players were FAR below average
and yet hold a special place in Chicago fans hearts
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 24, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I live in Oregon
and agree with you. Haas was super clutch at Oregon State. Always open when his team needed the most. I hope Barnes gets a better shot than Haas did. Maybe the new coaches have a different attitude toward player like Barnes.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
I'll take the dude that always seems to find a way to get open over someone with speed in most situations.
Ability to catch any ball that’s catchable is much more important in my eyes than how fast you can run in shorts and cleats. Sometimes teams get so wrapped up in the measurables that they forget to actually pay attention and see if a guy can play. Pure speed only matters on fly patterns, which account for only a fraction of all passes thrown.
Catching the ball in traffic
Good hands are few and far between and this reciever can catch with his hands in trafiic!
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