The Tampa 2 can be beat.
This is not news. This is as much true now as it was back in the 70's when the Pittsburgh Steelers were riding the Cover 2 scheme to four Super Bowls. Or when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or Indianapolis Colts were utilizing the Tampa 2 defense to win their respective more recent titles. That defense, and any defense for that matter, can be beat.
The National Football Post's Matt Bowen, who does great X's and O's type stuff over there, recently wrote at article breaking down a couple plays that can beat the Tampa 2. That article can be found here. It's a real good read, as is his look at the Tampa 2, which I'll link here. If you're into the chalkboard type stuff you should definitely head over and check his stuff out.
With Rod Marinelli taking over defensive play-calling responsibilities the base Tampa 2 scheme isn't gonna change. The Bears will run the same basic Lovie Smith defense that was utilized with Ron Rivera as defensive coordinator, that they ran with Bob Babich as DC, and with Lovie himself calling the plays. The difference will be in what kind of tweaks Marinelli will wrinkle in. But the most important aspect of the defense will be if the players play good.
You can diagram plays to beat the defense all day, but if the players execute properly, if the secondary makes correct and timely reads, and most importantly if the defensive line can get after the quarterback, the Bears defense will have a bounce back season.
They still do need to mix in some different things, and Marinelli will need to put his stamp on the D, but I think he'll bring something to the table that seems to be lacking in years past. Accountability.
Brian Urlacher from Mondays Chicago Sun Times (the bold is mine);
''He's right to the point,'' Urlacher said of the Bears' new defensive coordinator. ''You're going to do it his way or you're not going to play. That's the way he is. It's pretty easy. Do what he wants you to do, and you'll play if you're athletic enough and good enough and fast enough.''
And Marinelli from the same article;
''If you want to look at stats, I don't want to go there,'' Marinelli said. ''What I'm looking for is every snap we max out and there's no inconsistencies, no up and down, no waves. What I like to see is for us to play our system, play it exactly right, play it with maximum speed, effort, angle tackling and play that snap as well as we can. Then play another one."
Even though this will be his first time calling a defense, his 14 years of experience in the NFL will serve him well. And let us not forget after his stint coaching high school ball from 1973-75, he coached in the college ranks from 1976-95. I'll bet he can talk shop with the most experienced of play-callers.
But getting back to my initial thought on teams being able to beat certain defensive schemes (I kind of got off track there a bit). In Matt Bowen's PFT article he ends it on this note (again the bold is mine);
Like we talked about when we broke down the Tampa 2, it is a solid call when run correctly. But, like any scheme, it can be beat.
There are places to attack every defense. Offenses can exploit any thing a defense does if the right call is on or if the right audible is made. The Tampa 2 isn't the only zone defense that has weaknesses. There are holes in quarters coverage (4 deep or cover 4), in Cover 3, in Cover 1, there are ways to attack bump and run man coverage. A good offensive game plan accounts for anything a defense will throw at them. A defense has to have players making plays to be truly effective.
Good defenses can be helped along by some good play-calling, but I guarantee if you take a look throughout history, you'll find some damn good players on many top defenses. Last year the Jets made some great strides on defense after their new head coach Rob Ryan implemented a variation on the Bears old 46 defense. What really helped his scheme along was having the ultimate shut down corner in Darrelle Revis.
The 2009 Packers are an example of a scheme change really helping a defense. They went form the 20th ranked D in 2008 to the 2nd ranked D in 2009 after switching to a 3-4 defense, but take a look at their players. They have a really good secondary led by Charles Woodson that would be effective in most any style. Then adding an edge rusher in rookie Clay Mathews gave them that ingredient to help the scheme change along.
And speaking of the scheme, as it's been said many times, every team runs a variation of the Cover 2. The Bears, Colts, and Vikings have been running it as their base D for some time now. The Panthers went to it more last year, and this year the Giants and the Buccaneers will be putting it in. So talk of that D being a way of the past is a bit misleading. Sure the D has evolved, and it may not be run in it's truest form as much, but if you have the personnel to work it, it can be effective. Do the Bears have the players to make their D work? We've been told they do, and we've see them do so at points in their careers, but will they put it all together in 2010 is the question we need to see answered.
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The Tampa 2 can be beat...
prove it!
I think the Tampa 2 is a legit scheme. IMO the “sheme” is less important then the frequency and effectiveness of blitz packages (ala Buddy Ryan or Jimmy Johnson of Eagles fame). If #s 90 and 91 are on the same side of the DLine, then the LBs behind them will have free lanes to the QB. #90 at RE and and #91 at RDT would mean the 2 LBs given the greatest advantage by our favorable mismatches on the DL would just happen to be Lance Briggs and Brian Uracher.
Chris Harris and Major Wright finally establish the third level of the D, which has been the greatest cause of our demise. The Tampa 2 more then other D’s requires strength up the middle at all 3 levels of the D (DTs, MLB, SSs). Since Mike Brown the 3rd, yet not least level, has been in complete Disarray (Leopold Stotch, huh?). This has led to much too frequent deflating 3rd and long conversions for opposing offenses.
While I am all for pressure on the QB, offenses have adapted techniques such as hot routes and the 3 step drop in order to minimize the amount of time the QB holds the ball before passing. The good QBs can neutralize even the most potent pass rushes using these techniques, which is why our secondary play needs to improve for us to get to the next level.
Bowman needs to step up and we need an interior DLineman to step up as well.
watch the 9 teams that beat us last year
specifically 3rd downs, that was how we were beaten using the Tampa-2… relying on the mug look too much too, and not pressing corners.
however, reading the article, it seems like you are in agreeance with Les…so yea. “sheme” that
Please, call me Juicebox.
by BearNecessities on May 27, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Great Quarterbacks can pick it apart
[looks at what Kurt Warner did, and how Carson Palmer had his best game of the season against the Bears]
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
How often were the Bears in Cover 2 in those games?
Great QB’s can pick apart any defense, which is why you need to put them on their ass as much as possible.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
and the longer our secondary can cover receivers the more time we have to put opposing QBs in the ground.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Lester
But as the three technique, doesn’t Harris more or less exclusively line up against the right guard, thus making him the Left Defensive Tackle?
To get both Peppers and Harris on the same side, then, you’d flip Peppers to the left end, and you’d still have Urlacher and Pisa/Roach, which would also not be bad.
Either way, I like what both of you are thinking, it’s not so much the base scheme, but the wrinkles that are going to define it’s success.
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The scheme says
the 3 Technique lines up on the strong side and on the guards outside shoulder. But many times Harris will just stay at the left DT.
Peppers will move around a bit so he’ll see action on both sides.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I could've clarified
I meant that I can’t recall really seeing him not line up against the right guard. My memory of the line positions on every individual play over the past few years is poor, though.
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Tommie switches check the tape.
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
by Syndor on May 27, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pulling out some tape!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm on top of it.
Anybody need a juicebox!!!
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
by Syndor on May 27, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
felt your job slippin away huh.....
BearNecessities you're my assistant, okay you're supposed to
back me up and go get me juice boxes when I tell you. Now go get me
a juice box.
by Ditkavsworld on May 27, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
If that's the Tommie we're gonna see in 2010
I’ll be happy. He had great push and penetration and he was drawing double teams.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem very positive today...
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
so you say it was a good day...
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
WEll seems to me
On the plays that went directly up the middle or the pass plays where the qb dropped straight back, Tommie was in on the play stuffing the run or pressuring the QB. However, on plays that went outside or the QB rolled out, tommie seemed to put less effort chasing the play, and our defense couldn’t stop it aswell.
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Can the CBs step up closer
I find myself wondering if they have what it takes to play tighter than last year. Seems like a lot of laying off.
If the safeties shore up those positions as many here believe they can, I think they CB can take a little more risk and play tighter to the WR. That should help at least stop gap the exploitation of the Cover 2 last year.
Accountability!
This was the key statement I pulled from your read, LAWjr…
They still do need to mix in some different things, and Marinelli will need to put his stamp on the D, but I think he’ll bring something to the table that seems to be lacking in years past. Accountability!
… One of the major differences I saw between Ron Rivera and Bob Babich or Lovie Smith/Bob Babich-in-tow was that the players had a certain deal of respect for Rivera as a coordinator that they didn’t seem to have under Babich or Smith/Babich.
I think players respect coaches who not only have a certain amount of pedigree at a offensive/defensive philosphy, but also have real-time experience at the position. Rivera played for arguably one of the best defense in NFL history. He also embodied the tradition and history in Chicago Bears football.
I think players respected that as Briggs pointed out in his rant on what changed in Chicago after the 2006 Super Bowl year a year ago.
Like Martz, I think Marinelli brings a certain pedigree to the huddle that you do not get from Bob Babich and veteran players respect that. He’s been a part of championship teams and has benefited some of the great defensive lineman in the past 10 years.
I think that carries a lot of admiration from your veterans, which then filters down to your rookies and offseason additions.
Semper Fi
kinda sad
what seems pretty obvious to most has brought us the likes of Ron Turner and Terry Shea to our offensive coordinator booth. The OCs you can hire for $250K are the cheapest OCs because they have no prior NFL experience. You get what you pay for. Luckily this trend has finally been reversed and I think having Martz and Tice around has prevented the usual suspects from making the usual silly mistakes/moves.
With the Bears actually so...
you’re kind of both right.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
We all know that these Bears don't have as much respect for the tradition as we think. :)
They do respect Lovie though. They have said as much. I think it’s just over time things get redundant and they start not playing as hard because they know what’s coming next play call wise. Accountablility was missing though.
The thing with Rod is that he was with Monte longer. He comes from the Monte Kiffin school of tampa two. I think Lovie has put his twist on it now it’s getting redundant. Monte had a solid Defense for years. Always at the top of the league.
Tony D gave Monte alot of free reign with what he wanted to do with the D. That’s one of the reasons I believe this D will get back to it’s old ways of making plays. I can see alot more press coverage and they will be alot less predictable.
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
Press coverage would be nice
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking at that TH footage.
There was a 3rd and looked like 3 or 4 and the corners were still 8 yards off the ball. That’s just bad football right there.
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
Did you notice Steltz making plays!?!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, Urlacher... *sigh!*... smh..
Urlacher is so fed up with media that I think he was taking it out on Sayers comments. I think we’ve all taken our frustrations out on the wrong person every now and again.
But, I think there was a certain amount of respect for Rivera’s leadership and defensive knowledge that was not there for Babich. It really hurt the teams motivation to improve (i.e.— steady decline since 2005) or for players to develop (i.e.— Tommie Harris).
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on May 27, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw #20 flash across the screen a couple times..
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
You are on fire today.
BearNecessities you're my assistant, okay you're supposed to
back me up and go get me juice boxes when I tell you. Now go get me
a juice box.
by Ditkavsworld on May 27, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
That's about the only thing I have done consistently today..
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
"The Tampe 2 can be beat"
Don’t you think we all saw that last year?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Is Tampe
half way between Tempe, AZ and Tampa, FL?
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah
I just screwed up again.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
ha!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I forget to check if I spelled something correctly a lot on these blogs.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Scheme Schmeme
Any system can be beat. It’s up to the players to execute. I would prefer a 3-4 system but we don’t have the personal for it. Even so the “Tampa 2” has won championships and will win more in the future. Any system must evolve with the times and hopefully now the Bears have the right players to make it work.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
I'm a big fan of the 3-4 myself...
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed, phastphil - up to the players to execute
Tossing this in there too: the loss of key players last year on defense, along with the lack of a reliable FS and the problems of Tommie Harris made the tampa 2 infinitely more beatable in Chcago. I think we have the right players, if they stay healthy. To my mind the problem comes when Lovie Smith is forced to adapt to changing game situations on the fly. He simply does not seem to be able to handle it and his back ups are not coached up enough to be plugged in and function effectively.
"Do or do not... there is no try." - Yoda
Heathy Players
execute better. Seriously though if we are blitzing a lot that means the front four is not pressuring the QB enough. We want the blitz to be a surprise not the norm as in a 3-4.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Any D can be beat
Look no further than the Packers last season, 2nd ranked D in the NFL, gave up like 500 pass yards to the Steelers and then in the playoff gave up all those yards to the Cardinals.
"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.' - Chris Berman
by Sam Householder on May 27, 2010 2:01 PM CDT reply actions
Scheme Schmeme
It still all comes down to players making plays.
Tampa 2 is effective with pressure. It’s useless with pressure if your secondary can’t cover their own arse (See Bears on 3rd Down last year).
Doesn’t matter what scheme we play if the players can’t cover their assignments. This why the very best comment in your article is about “accountability”.
Insightful as always Lester.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on May 27, 2010 3:17 PM CDT reply actions
Hey!
Aren’t there rules about plagiarizing subject lines? LOL
What has driven me crazy in the past is the inability of the Bears to cover the backs out of the backfield on check down passes. On 3rd down in particular.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Have we all forgot......
That the key to the cover 2 defense is pass rush. You can have the best corners and safeties in the league, but if your pass rush is nonexistent (see bears 2007-2009)you will not be good on defense. Everyone was down on the secondary after the Cincinnati game but I wasn’t because I saw Carlson Palmer never even came close to being sacked or hurried. The Pass rush was and is and will always be the key to the cover 2. I mean how many sacks did the leading sacker for the bears have last season? If I’m not mistaking it was Alex Brown with six right? So you can’t play good defense when your leading sacker only has six. So that being said Tommie and Julius are the key to the Bears defense as well as the Bears season. The Bears haven’t been to the playoffs since the 2006 playoffs and they also haven’t had a pass rusher with double digits sacks since then either. Do you see my point?
by Dozjah on May 27, 2010 6:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Cleaned that mess up for ya.
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lol i saw the title to this "Tamp-2 can be beat" and the first thing that came to mind was
Yeah no shit
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Any scheme can be beat why should the Tampa-2 be any different?
All schemes have their strengths and weaknesses, but that they do have “holes” does not mean they are useless. As was pointed some very good defensive teams have used the Tampa-2. It is all about matching the scheme to your talent for maximum effect.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 30, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions
Tampa 2
Don’t like the “Tampa 2” either. I’d rather see all-out blitzes on all the passing downs. Be aggressive!!! Force the other team to make an adjustment based on what you’re ining up in. I’d rather go back to the 46 than watch our defense be shredded by QBs who get all the time in the world to make a decision.
which leads back to the d-line
if they are getting pressure a QB can’t chill out in the pocket
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jun 1, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
True, but...
… If the QB is settling for quick outs out of shotgun or 3-step drops as the Falcons did in 2008 with Roddy White against Charles Tillman in the 1st quarter, what type of pressure can ANY D-line bring to stop that?
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Jun 1, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is why the corners have to be closer
The traditional Cover 2 system has corners play much tighter than what the Bears have done in the past few seasons.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jun 1, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions

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