Bears wide receivers dissed again!
The good news is the Chicago Bears weren't ranked last. There are nine teams YahooSports has ranked worse than the Bears. Including the 24th ranked Denver Broncos. Funny how the Bears always seem to one up those Broncos. (insert rim shot here)
And where exactly did our beloved Bear rank... you'll see after the jump... unless of course you already clicked on the YahooSports link above, in which case you'd already know. Anyway, JUMP!
23. Chicago Bears: There are a lot of guys here who are interesting, from Devin Hester to TE Greg Olsen to Johnny Knox. Too bad none of them is truly accomplished or looks like they ever will be.
Yeah, after his rookie year that Johnny Knox looks like he never will be accomplished. And useless 3rd year pro Earl Bennett went from 0 catches to 54. And don't even mention Devin Hester improving his receiving numbers every year he's been receiving. Have I mentioned Devin Aromashodu and his extrapolated numbers? What about Juaquin Iglesias and his precise route running now in a Mike Martz offense. Are you really gonna dis Greg Olsen? And lets not forget Rashied Davis and his, um... I think I went a bit too far there...
If you missed my Superfans post click here for part 1, then follow the link on the bottom of that post for part 2. Da Bears!
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From what I have seen on Yahoo
From their writers, bloggers and analysts (and I use that term loosely) I would be worried only if they thought favorably of our WRs
by TheMan1 on May 7, 2010 4:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The experts don't know anything.
I’m not surprised they haven’t said that JaMarcus should come to Chicago to revive his career.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
As our new 300lb left guard?
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
No, so he can take over for Cutler.
sarcasm
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
"experts"
how does that apply to the yahoos at Yahoo?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 8, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow!
Houston and Atlanta 7 & 8, Detroit 12th!!!!
This boy is not smokin “store boughts”!!!
by pete banachi on May 7, 2010 5:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No Doubt.
And even Washington and Tennessee at 21 and 22 is pretty messed up…no way they have a better corps than Da Bairs. That dude is flyin’ sky high!
c johnson is a beast
that would be something indeeed if he were to wear a bears uniform someday, somehow.
by reefermadness3 on May 9, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
won't happen
i can see him being a lion until he’s about 32 then going to free agencie as a shell of his former self. this is all after he breaks all the lions recieving records and possibley and NFL one
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
Well you need to take into account
That out of our top 3 receivers, Hester, Olsen, and Bennett, none have had a 1000+ yard season. None of them have played more then 5 seasons in the NFL and only Olsen has had a season with more then 5 touchdowns. So we have lots of potential, but we really haven’t proved much.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
My issue with this is...
If we are simply going by what teams have proved, then there is zero reason to have this story altogether. Go to NFL.com, rank teams by receiving, copy and paste. If you’re going to make subjective calls on what corps you think are better, at a certain point you have to make decisions on who you think is going to do well, and who isn’t and well they think the Bears WR aren’t going to do anything.
They’ll be proven definitively wrong by Week 4.
Associate Writer - WindyCityGridiron.com
I agree
But we can’t call our receiving corp elite, or even strong. They are young, and with another season behind them they have major potential this next season. But a question, when did I ever say I was making subjective calls on what WR corp I though was better? I was just commenting on ours, not anyone else’s. Am I not allowed to make comments filled with facts about our receivers? I know they will improve this next season, but at this point none of them are top receivers in the league. I didn’t want to mention this, but I will just to prove the point. Our best receiver, numerically, Hester is the 46th leading receiver in the NFL in yards, behind a number of rookies as well as a number of players who didn’t play the whole season or had quarterbacks such as JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh Freeman, and Matt Stafford throwing to them.
Okay, now that wasn’t meant to be a downer, but I just wanted to make the point that we are going to rock their socks off next season, but last season was less then stellar, despite having Cutler.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
+1
Half of their problem,was Ron Turner and miss communication.Considering they’re Yahoo analysts,I’m shocked were even at the 23rd position.
by I love football! on May 7, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Miss Communication??
Is she the one calling the plays??
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on May 8, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes I said..........
Miss communication,did you not watch the Bears last year?The first game of the season Cutler threw a pick, or possibly even 2 because of miss communication.This should be all in the past though, I mean they had a full year to play together…….
by I love football! on May 9, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
miscommunication
happens more than you’d think…..
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Sorry
You’ve obviously been Miss Informed at least once….
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
She sounds like
one of those girls that always wants to talk about her feelings, and that wants you to tell her everything, etc. Haha. A guy’s nightmare.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
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by Ashley Czuba on May 10, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
hehehe
Spell fail miscommunication* Being a 19 year old male,women are on my mind every second, of every day………
by I love football! on May 10, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I more mean...
I don’t have much of a desire to take anything into account when it comes to why they ranked our receivers so low.
They ranked them so low because they think they are worse that 23 other teams WR, and I’m sure they are going to be proven wrong.
I’m not saying you should rank them above proven groups or anything like that, but there are more than a few middling groups in that ranking above us.
Associate Writer - WindyCityGridiron.com
Ah sorry
I thought you were making those comments about me, my mistake. You are right, I think we should be higher up, not a lot, but still higher.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
excellent!
The Bears’ receiving corps is still largely unproven, so a much higher ranking is premature. Hopefully after this season, they will be much higher ranked.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 8, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
23 Ain't so bad
Ask, MJ. They could have said 32.
Max is right. Until this group shows something it’s all talk and “possibility”.
Heck, another team could “possibly” beat our squad next year.
But I predict they will go 35 and 0 with several wins coming by forfeit, as the other players and coaches will fear too much for their safety and well being to take the field.
DA BEARS!!
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on May 8, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions
cuz i thought the nfl season was 16 regular season games and 4 playoff rounds.
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
We hammer everyone and go 19-0 then when we hit 16-0 the next season, everyone else gives up and we repeat by default. Sorted.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
bam
unassailable logic. very well played
by reefermadness3 on May 9, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Looks like Rashied Davis
is out the mix. Pretty damning stuff our there with is involvement in the Lawrence Taylor arrest. I don’t understand why there seems to be nothing on this in the Chicago rags. Help me out if you have a link.
If this isn’t a “character issue” I don’t know what is.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
My Bad - OOPS!
Rasheed Davis not Rashied Davis – Big sorry
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Meaning not the Bear's Davis
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Just go back to bed,
take a nap, and start all over again. The day is only half-over… there’s plenty of time to get it together.
Some Days??????
I couldn’t figure it out – til one article clearly stated not the Chicago Bears Davis. Oh well it’s nappy time.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
According to some lame rating
The Giants, Cowboys & others who’s WRs excelled were ranked low going into 2009 to. Who cares? Since those idiots were wrong then? Seriously if the WRs don’t work out then get upset but don’t let some morons from the press who are always wrong & prove they don’t watch games bring you down. When the right WRs were allowed to start & Cutler didn’t overthrow as an expert who actually analyzes hours of film said (Ron Jaworski) the WRs looked very good. Aromashodu should have been in the 2 role & Cutler wanted him to be. They have a lot of young WRs & plenty of teams do why not see what happens.
If it doesn’t Lovie & the idiots will be fired anyway well because of plenty of other things to. But it seems like these preconceived things are predetermined for the Bears that haven’t been proven to fail. The problem seemed to Cutler’s angst anyhow & with a year under his belt hopefully that will change and/or eventually there is a future franchise QB in LeFevour a few years down the line who is 5 years younger.
by Kayfabian Magic on May 8, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
why not see what happens?
inherent risk of players with potential not meeting that potential. This has been the Bears story at WR for too long. Sure the young guys are promising, but they and the offense would be much more likely to succeed with at least one guy that has proven an ability to actually catch the ball consistently at the NFL level.
This article merely confirms what I have been saying for awhile, regardless of promise or potential or WR corps is one of the worst in the league.
They're basically just a young, unproven group
Not necessarily one of the worst in the league – but definitely one of the youngest & least experienced. By the end of this year, though, people may be saying that they’re one of the best groups in the NFL. Based on what they showed us last year, I think they’ve got a chance to continue to develop and take a big step forward. Obviously, a lot of it is going to depend on how the WRs & Cutler adjust to the new system under Martz.
exactly
The Bears’ receivers have not earned a higher ranking. This does not mean they are talentless hacks, it means they have to prove themselves.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 9, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Some people can’t tell the difference.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
I know one here at least
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 11, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Reading the rest of the positioning...
This list is complete bullshit. I also love how they didn’t even mention are probable starters this year (Bennet and DA). They obviously have never watched any Bears game tapes besides having a Monday Night Bears game on in the background while doing something else.
This is Jason Cole...
and I do not often accuse the media folks of a blatant bias. However, Cole has a bias against the Bears that shows through too often. I am fine when a reporter/media type shows a hometown nod to “his/her” team on occasion, but Cole seems to go to hyperbolic lengths to pan anything the Bears do. When he doesn’t mention the 2 probable starters this season, it’s obvious he isn’t doing his job. I am not trying to assert that the Bears WRs are elite and they need to step up and prove they are better than #23, but I do want to note Cole’s bias. Look for it all season long.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
Historically
Cole has seemed to be a little biased against the Bears. Charles Robinson on the other hand (who I believe is from Chicago) seems to be a lot more accurate in his assessments of the Bears.
I did think not mentioning...
the 2 guys that should be starting was a little odd. Makes me think he has no clue.
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 10, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
THE BEARS WR CORP IS ONE OF THE LEAGUE'S WORST
People need to stop saying this is media bias! Our WR corps has potential and promise, but they still suck.
I am calling BS
The Bears’ receivers are unproven, so it is too soon to say they are great, they suck or anything in between. Being inexperienced is not the same as sucking.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 9, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
But it really is...
you can either catch the ball or you can’t. Currently our guys can’t. So currently they suck. Maybe, hopefully they will suck less. But until they are good, they aren’t good. until the are average, they are not average. they are as they are bottom of the league.
Our wideouts are above average.
You are selling them way too short. Bennett goes from 0 catches in 08’ to 54, 717 and 2. Rookie Knox with 45, 527 and 5 & Hester with his usual production influx with 57, 757 and 3 with missing time at end of season. D.A. stepping up huge with 24, 298 and 3 TD in 3 games. Our guys didn’t have a problem with catching the ball last season so I think that’s a pretty lame attempt to prove your point and declaring they suck is typical of other people who don’t watch Bears games every Sunday. Maybe you don’t either. Mark my words, these guys are going to breakout this season and I hope you eat your words when they do because I’ll remember you saying this.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 9, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
TBD
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 9, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Try this: think first, post second
If a player is unproven, you cannot conclude, accurately at least, if he is good or bad. The Bears’ receiving corps is still largely unproven, so to say they suck, is without merit and just plain silly.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 9, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
umm u are seriously missing the point.
there is no notion of “benefit of the doubt.” They are either good or they are not. They are not good. They are either decent or they are not. They are not good. they are not even average. They are currently below average performers on the football field. That is just a fact and to ignore that because people simply wish or want the most for our WRs is stupid. The reality is our receiving corp is just not that good. Until they are good or average, they are below average. It is simple. Try to keep up.
Tell me how our receivers
can reach the level of “average” to you. What are average stats? I went ahead and gave you the stats over the ‘09 season above so please tell me those are below average, I’d love to hear you say it. Follow it up with some actual good information to back it up.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 9, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
they cannot consistently catch the ball.
yahoo is right. throw a tantrum all u want, but they are still right.
You sound like an idiot.
“They cannot consistently catch the ball” is not actual information that proves why they are below average receivers. Here’s something that proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.
I don’t see ANY of our WRs or TEs on that list do you? Why don’t you tell me how many of the guys on the list that you’d rather have on the Bears than our current receivers, I could choose a few of them. Now tell me that those guys can’t consistently catch the football because they are on this list and that they suck because of it. Tell me that Marshall, Holmes, Celek, V. Davis, D. Clark, Megatron, Driver, Gates, A. Johnson, Moss, Mason and Manningham all suck, please.
I’m glad you trust the “genius” writers over at Yahoo! to do your thinking for you.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 9, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't attack the poster. Attack the post.
Oh, and No It All wins this one simply because he got you to drop to his level. Personally, I think you both missed the point on this one. Our receivers DO SUCK (no it all) but they may not/ didn’t last season (PSDB) but COULD SUCK NEXT SEASON and if either of you can predict that one accurately then give me next weeks Powerball numbers. No It All can be a minor league troll, but so can you (As can/AM I). I feel like I’m in junior high and I want to yell “Fight, fight!!!”
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Hahaha.
I said “sound like.” I’m not dropping to anybody’s level, I like to debate as much as the next guy regardless of who it is. Just proving a point. They do not consistently drop passes and I’m trying to get a solid explanation of why our receivers suck from him. As a Bears fan, he should have a better explanation than that. I watched every Sunday and don’t recall dropped passing being one of their weak points; the stats don’t lie either.
Besides, pick you the numbers for Powerball? It’s either they suck or they don’t and guessing that correctly wouldn’t quite make us clairvoyant. Yet.. :)
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 9, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
if you watched every sunday you would know that our receivers sucked.
until they improve, they will not have improved. this really is not rocket scientology here.
You just keep piling
bullsh*t upon more bullsh*t. You can’t even give one solid point towards your opinion but you think you are right. You don’t comment on any stats or factual information that I introduce to the conversation, you ignore it and throw out the same old tired one-liners. Your argument is pathetic and weak and you know it. You can’t always win when you’ve already lost.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
that is because i do not care what you say.
sure they havent done anything yet, but keep telling me how awesome they are. Talk about counting your chickens before they hatch. You really have bought your own BS. Yahoo is right. I am right. You are full of it and unable to handle worthwhile and just criticism of the Bears Sorry but that doesnt make you the die hard fan you think it does.
This is beyond ridiculous.
Where did I once say that they are awesome? I said I believe they are going to have a good season but I also said I would swap many receivers from the list that I posted for them. You don’t care what I say because you have no argument or information to support your claim against them, you just like to be difficult.
I’d love to handle some worthwhile and just criticism towards the Bears, hell I criticize them too when they deserve it, but I haven’t seen anything worthwhile or just coming from you. “They can’t catch the ball” isn’t a valid argument when I’ve already proved you wrong and you know it by having nothing for rebuttal. YOU really have bought your own BS. No It All knows what all media sources tell him, then dispenses it like it’s the word of God.
This whole debate isn’t even about me trying to prove that I think the Bears receivers will be awesome this season, it’s about me proving that your argument is BS. I’ve already done that so I suppose my work here is done. Maybe next time you can actually have a valid argument instead of just saying “I’m right” the whole time, I’m disappointed in you.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
1 more time i will try to walk u thru it.
Potential is talent that has not yet been realized. Until that talent is actualized, ya know like reached in reality, it is worth fairly little on the football field. It is that simple. Add the fact our WRs have not caught the ball consistently……………………………………………………….
we have approximately the 9th worst WR corps in the NFL.
Now I'll try to walk you through it.
They didn’t consistently drop passes in ‘09. Sure they dropped some passes but for that to be the end all be all reason from you that makes them suck or below average is ridiculous. Everyone drops passes even big time wide outs like I showed you before. I’m asking you to support your claim with information, stats or whatever and you’ve failed time and time again to do so.
We have one of the most inexperienced WR corps in the NFL, that is for sure, but they do not suck. Our starting TE, RB and WRs (except for D.A.) all placed within the top 100 players in receptions. I know what potential is and they have a lot of it, but they’ve also proven that they can play. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt because they have proved that they deserve it, unfortunately you don’t feel the same way. I’ve asked you to back up why you feel this way and you don’t do it continuously, but you also think you are right without proving it. This is a pointless discussion now because you can’t do anything but keep saying “they can’t consistently catch the football.” If you could actually prove that, then I’d be man enough to say you were right. I’ve already proved you wrong and you aren’t man enough to admit anything. What’s the point in continuing this?
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
simple minded nonsense
this is why i often write “prove it as” a joke… just because something cannot be prove*n* do not mean it does not exist. Can I prove or am i willing to attempt to prove that they consistently drop passes and are approximately the 9th worst WR corps in the league, no. It remains true nonetheless. Seems like you would argue gravity did not exist before Newton.
While you claim to have proven something, you have proven nothing other then that you are too close minded to see an obvious truth when it is presented to you. Instead of considering valid and truthful observations you and others on here get all butt hurt and sensitive and claim media bias and get all defensive. PUUUHLEEASSSE. get over yourselves. our WRs are about the 9th worst in the league. Sure I hope they get better, but until then they are still about the 9th best in the league. Claiming otherwise is delusional and simply ignores reality in order to perpetuate this narrative that the Bears are just super wonderful at every position and guys would not be on our team unless they were the very best. GTFO,Bs.
Actually in this case
if you can’t prove that our receivers can’t catch then it is not a valid argument. I’m showing you productive stats and that none of them were on a list of the most drops in 2009. A few of the guys on the list are great receivers too, does that mean they suck then? You refuse to answer that as well.
While you claim to have proven something, you have proven nothing other then that you are too close minded to see an obvious truth when it is presented to you.
This makes me laugh. You are the one who is denying everything that I am saying when the “obvious truth” is right in front of your face. I’ve given you stats and information that you ignore.
our WRs are about the 9th worst in the league. Sure I hope they get better, but until then they are still about the 9th best in the league.
No don’t say they are the 9th worst in the league, say that they suck. Don’t try and sugar coat what you said before. You also just called them the 9th best as well. Nice try making it sound like I think “duh, the Bears only have the best players at every position.” You can’t prove you’re right by making up ridiculous accusations. You are just being a little baby. Go cry and maybe you’ll feel better.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
if there are guys on the list that are really good players
then the inclusion of our wrs placement on the list is inconclusive as to your point that our receivers do not suck. If good players are on the list then the list is clearly not an overall indicator of how good a receiver is……….. and tadaa you have proven nothing. zilch. zero. nada. again.
Your inability to realize the fatal inconsistencies of your own logic not only takes away your credibility but also exposes just how confused you really are.
Dude..for god's sake.
The whole point of the list was to show you that dropped passes doesn’t necessarily declare a player to suck, which is what you are trying to do to our receivers. I was trying to see if you would declare some of those players to suck because they led the league in drops. The list was NEVER an indicator of how good a receiver is. You keep trying to twist my words. You are lame.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
hahahaha.
Yeah, that’s what I thought. You got nothing.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
It's simple minded nonsense
to declare that our receivers suck. Why don’t you practice what you preach? It’s hilarious how absolutely delusional you are when it comes to your own pig-headed tendencies. Thinking you are always right is simple minded nonsense. It’s your opinion that you are confusing with fact and are trying to pass it along as such. Argument FAIL. Too bad for you. No It All doesn’t know it all, but you do say no to all factual information proving you wrong. Kudos to you.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
They were below average,but I really don't know if it's all their fault.
1 Knox Rookie,EB first year on the field.Hester shouldn’t even be a WR.DA didn’t play until week 12.
2 New QB.
3 Their really young!
4 Ron Turner.
I’m hoping these 4 problems are fixed, and we can move on from last years failures………
by I love football! on May 10, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
You can't fix a problem
of receivers being really young in the course of a year, that’s impossible. Obviously Knox has fixed the problem of being a rookie, he’s now a veteran. Hester is a wide receiver and deserves to be so that’s not fixing itself. D.A. not playing until a certain week isn’t fixable without a time machine and the new QB isn’t new anymore so that’s fixed. Ron Turner has been fired but we don’t know if the OC position has been fixed so we’ll call that: TBD.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
With EB,Knox,Hester, all having a year under their belt helps, more then you would think………… I’m not saying their going to be number 1, I’m just saying their going to be better then last year.They have better communication and timing with Cutler.
by I love football! on May 10, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you.
I was just messing around with the format that you wrote your post. The extra experience for ALL of our wideouts is a huge plus towards this season for sure. I hope they have gained a familiarity with Cutler and vice versa. Hopefully Cutler has gained a bit more poise and composure this offseason too.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok.
I just didn’t want to start another fight =p You have your hands full with No It All.I think it’s a pretty even fight, and relativity entertaining =)))))))))
by I love football! on May 10, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
got to get into the game to win
the best you have is cheering from the bench.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 10, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
It must be great
to think you are a champion in your own mind. Prove it on the field next time.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on May 10, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
tell your doctor your meds have stopped working
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 10, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
that woooooshing sound you keep hearing are good points sailing right over your head.
It is DUMB, repaet DUMB, to equate unproven with no good. That you keep doing that makes you look really DUMB. Clear enough? Nothing more ignorant than the willfully ignorant.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on May 10, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
No it all's Faulty Logic
Are fetuses/infants/toddlers/kids REALLY just adult failures?
Is a kitten just a below average cat?
Is a tadpole an inadequate frog?
My one year old daughter can’t read yet—does that make her illiterate?
If I buy a Ferarri—but haven’t driven it yet—does that make it a lemon?
If I buy a steak & lobster dinner—but haven’t eaten it yet—does that make it inedible TRASH?
I have a garden full of tomato plants—yet as of right now, not a single tomato on any of them…I guess not having any tomatos on them REALLY means they’re just WEEDS, so I may as well regard them as such, right?
Is my book of matches just a collection of “failed fires”?
We use the word “potential”, which I’d say has an inherently POSITIVE connotation—it denotes PROMISE and IMPROVEMENT, the idea that something better is nearly inevitable.
You, on the other hand, take the word “potential” and assign an inherently NEGATIVE connotation to it—failure, disappointment, emptiness.
If we are to assign ANY type of qualititative judgement to the word, it ought to be a positive one, as the word implies.
Now, if you want to parse words, split hairs, etc. —you might be able to get away with saying the Bears WRs are UNPROVEN (which might be more accurate, though not ENTIRELY true, as some HAVE made an impact).
Just because the Bears don’t have a truly #1 stud WR doesn’t mean they don’t have talent at the position.
As others have said—Hester’s stats have steadily improved, pretty much doubled in each new year at the position (last excluded), and he continues to be a serious threat in the open field. [Wait until he tears things up from the slot this year…]
Johnny Knox made a huge impact as a rookie, making the Pro Bowl as a returner and adding 45 receptions for 527 yds—tied for third most by a Bears rookie and tied for the most by a rookie wide receiver in team history. His 527 yards were the fifth most by a Bears rookie receiver.
Knox’s six total TDs tied for fifth among NFL rookies, trailing only Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno (9), Harvin (8), Cardinals running back Beanie Wells (7) and Colts receiver Austin Collie (7).
Knox also became the first Bears rookie to score a TD in four straight games since Payton did it in 75.
Then you have Sho-du (Devin Aromashodu), who had 22 receptions for 282 yards and four touchdowns over the final four games, and at least ONE person thinks is poised for a huge breakout this year (2, if you count me):
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/382220-fantasy-football-devin-aromashodu-is-poised-to-have-a-breakout-season
[And let’s not forget that gorgeous game-winning TD over the purple fairy horn-suckers…a big time play for a “bad” WR]
And it’s not just about the WRs, it’s about ALL the receiving threats—Bears TEs annually combine for over 100 receptions. Olsen and Clark are a great tandem, ABOVE AVERAGE, even.
And both Forte and Chester Taylor are exceptional at catching passes out of the backfield. Yes, they’re “receivers”.
The Bears have more than enough young talented receiving threats, full of POTENTIAL (a GOOD thing)
And under Martz’s schematic genius, the offense is gonna explode this season (if we get the damn line fixed).
You watch.
The question I might ask is—do you think they will be WORSE this year? (and if so, WHY? What makes you think so?)
Better yet, go on thinking we’ve got such a crappy receiving core—just don’t say no one told you they were going to be good when they aactually ARE.
Sorry but Spongie got to me so I feel obligated
crappy receiving core
CORPS! corps!
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
God help me
Just like Obama and his “naval CORPSE man”…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1AU7-bq_Wo
I forgive myself—I’m sick today. :-)
I appreciate the effort but you ignore the huge problem with your logic...
A 1 year old not able to read is not illiterate, but at the same time you would not hire her to represent you in a court of law.
Kittens are undeveloped cats. Unable to reproduce and perform other adult functions as can fully developed adults.
A Ferrari that hasn’t been driven isn’t a lemon, but it surely has not been an effective means of transportation.
See what I am getting at. While not necessarily inadequate for their intended purposes tadpoles/kids/kittens are in many respects inferior to their adult counterparts. While I acknowledge this fundamental and inherent aspect of undeveloped potential you simply want to dismiss it as too negative in favor of more blissfully ignorant logic akin to paying a fortune for a lump of coal and ignoring the time effort and money necessary to develop that commodity into an item of true value, basically ignoring the fact that it is not yet worth what it may be in the future.
I think by now
most experienced Bears fans have been “burnt” enough to know NOT to “count their chickens before they hatch”.
Even they didn’t learn this lesson before, certainly last year’s sweeping wave of enthusiasm-turned-disappointment should have cemented the lesson for all of us.
Now, I only speak for myself, but I’d say I’m counting my EGGS—and while doing so, being CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC about their likelihood for full hatchitude.
This happens to be my default setting as I head into each new season for the Bears: cautious optimism.
While some years are more cautious, and some are more optimistic, it never starys TOO far from those sesnible parameters.
I definitely prefer THAT as a default setting to a “we suck” cynicism coming right out of the gate (and one that ignores verifiable evidence that the opposite is just as—if not MORE—likely).
You seem to want to define the perspectives in terms of extremes (i.e. if one is not utterly skeptical, then one is “blissfully ignorant”)
i.e. instead of "counting your chickens before they hatch, YOU’RE SAYING ALL THE EGGS ARE STILLBORN AND ROTTEN.
How is that any less delusional than the alternative? It still presupposes a conclusion which has not yet been made.
Don’t know about you—but personally, if I’m going to deluded, I’d rather my delusion be skewed to the positive than the negative.
What you lose in the disappointment department you make up for in not being a freaking Debbie Downer.
What I am saying is that no egg is a chicken.
Sorry but it is funny how you do not understand the chicken and egg reference. You are counting eggs as if to sell at market as chickens. Sorry but that doesn’t fly.
Agreeing that our WRs are approximately the 9th worst receivers in the league is far from saying we will suck. It isn’t good though. And it certainly is an indictment of our receivers, cause after all they do kinda suck. While everyone is fixated on “potential” I am simply reminding them how bitter the same WR’s inexperience was last year and until they demonstrate otherwise, still is.
I tend to be jaded. I am usually right.
Speaking of eggs
I’m a big fan of omelets
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 10, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Eww...
I don’t like eggs. They’re icky. :P
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by Ashley Czuba on May 11, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Myopic chickenspit
You keep saying that— “9th worse” , yet I don’t know where you pulled that from? A chicken’s egghole?
NFL.com has receiving rankings/stats by team, and the Bears finished
-10th in TDs
-17th in yds per game
-19th in points per game
(all rankings __"best", not “worst”)
I completely “get” the old counting chickens vs. eggs cliche, thanks for your condescension, though.
Appreciate that.
YOU don’t seem to get that educated and intelligent people are able to use what we refer to as “evidence”—factual, circumstantial, anecdotal, or otherwise—to either refute or support a given claim, and that THAT is the basis by which we assert a claim does (or does not) have merit, and by which we evaluate the strength of that merit.
Instead, you seem to have a stubborn and simplistic view where you think that if you just insist on something, repeatedly and with increasing rudeness, that it gains in credibility and merit.
Wrong, sparky.
But when pushed, you become like a scared octopus that inks up its own water, clouding the issue with irrelevancies and by insisting that other people “just aren’t getting it”.
Oh, but we do—and we’re trying to discuss it. Using facts and evidence (I know that seems strange to you and all….
And if that doesn’t work for you, you resort to this:
I am usually right.
i always win
Which, to me, absolutely reeks of insecurity—usually it’s the most cocky, braggadocious self-promoting self-congratulatory blowhards who have the lowest opinion of themselves.
The same guys that call themselves “awesome” on the proverbial playground are the same ones crying themselves to sleep at night.
In that regard, “I am usually right”.
Now, I’d like to go back to the point that PSausageDB and others made—it seems like you haven’t “really” watched the Bears, because anyone who did KNOWS that their primary problems last year weren’t the WRs.
As is usually the case on sputtering offenses, the Bears’ troubles started up on the line. Which meant the pass protection broke down, Cutler was rushed, made poor decisions, etc. And with no running game to speak of, the offense was frequently faced with 3rd and longs, etc.
In fact, I’d LOVE to know a single game where the WRs were the PRIMARY/obvious reason for the loss…I can think of games where you can pretty much squarely pin blame on the O-line, or the QB, or the RBs, or the secondary, or the coaches, or D-line, etc. but not ONE where the outcome of the game was truly dictated by play at WR (unless it was a good outcome).
Can you?
Agreeing that our WRs are approximately the 9th worst receivers in the league is far from saying we will suck. It isn’t good though. And it certainly is an indictment of our receivers, cause after all they do kinda suck
(nice contradiction, btw—"far from saying they suck—but they do suck)
At the least—you must understand that the o-line, the QB, the running game, and the coaching are all inextricably tied to the WRs performance, right?
If even ONE of those is off, the other suffers.
So to single them out as THE sucky unit just shows a lack of football savvy, poor comprehension about the interconnectedness of a team, and a willful ignorance of how they truly performed last year, given the inexperience and problems all around them.
So, even though not every egg is a chicken, not every egg is NOT a chicken, either (some could even be lizards! or turtles! or vultures!)
Can you wrap your jaded mind ’round that one?
Now, are you just going to keep saying the same thing, or do you actually have something evidentiary to support your “point”?
Eggsistentially,
AB
blah blah blah
Cutler had 26 interceptions. While there are a lot of reasons for those INTs a major one was our receivers losing the fight for the ball to opposing DBs or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That is what happens when you have a young receiving corp made of late round draft picks. Hopefully they turn that round but until they get their act together our passing game will continue to be a joke.
It is like people have complete amnesia when it comes to these receivers running around like chickens with their heads cut off on routes and not fighting for jump balls.
Seriously the best receiver we have had in recent memory was Marty Booker. But yeah our receiving corps is beyond reproach.
Jerry Angelo and crew are really gambling on our “young nucleus” of receivers and even with Peppers and and healthy Urlacher I believe this stupidity will be their downfall and could lead to a losing season. Seriously peoples our receivers are not very good.
i still can not for the life of me
figure out why the heck the Giants are so highly rated on this
Do or do not there is not try-Master Yoda
My only gripe about this is this quote
Too bad none of them is truly accomplished or looks like they ever will be.
That just pretty much tells you that he doesn’t watch a lot of Bears games, and their opinion is based off other media outlets thoughts
by Dominique Blanton on May 10, 2010 2:16 AM CDT reply actions

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