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The Bears Den: June 16, 2010

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Full Disclosure: Dane and Kev totally collaborated on this one. Hence the weird tonal shift.

More information on LB Hillenmeyer's participation on the concussion panel. I don't see why anyone other then Westbrook would ever be on this panel. Oh, probably because he'd forget the meetings.

A great article on the strong bond shared with the team's linebackers.

LBs Briggs and Urlacher motivated by the Blackhawks. Oh my. Can you imagine if they were on skates? People would probably die.

Mushin Muhammad says that Martz can simplify what Turner made complicated. Martz can simplify the fullback dive? But how?

Want to see some photos from minicamp?  Here ya go!

Four score and 11 years ago, the Chicago Bears were founded to make this nation a better place. And now you can follow WCG on Twitter.

Star-divide

Haynesworth to skip minicamp, formally asks for trade - Who do I have to argue with about this one? I don't want him. I don't care if he shoots rainbows out his butt and makes unicorns out of pudding.

 Johnson absent, but ‘not mad’ at Titans - He just wants to stack cash like a pro. I don't blame him.

The Yankees' Long-Forgotten Mascot - Dandy's Story - Here is an excellent extra reason to hate the Yankees.

Being insulted feels good when it comes from John Cleese:

 

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I love John Cleese.

He can rant at me about anything.

sigh

by Arbusto on Jun 16, 2010 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I liked the video, as well.

Apart from the humor aspect, he makes some valid points.

Another soccer video – Link pops like rocks

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by David Taylor on Jun 16, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh he does

And that’s what makes him great.

by Arbusto on Jun 16, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe the funniest man alive

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jun 16, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. On this side of the Pond, he’s seen as long past his peak and living off past glories, practically irrelevant to the contemporary scene. Probably why he’s hitting up the American market. His role in Die Another Day as Q’s understudy was particularly wince-inducing, and to stand out as bad in a film which, itself, was a steaming pile of shat takes some doing!

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by Spongie on Jun 18, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sometimes question some football player's intelligence

What makes them think that any NFL owner is going to sign them to a multi million dollar deal with 30 million or so guranteed without even seeing what’s going to happen with the CBA? The more the days go on, the lmore likely it looks like their will be no football in 2011, then what?

After a CBA is reached then yeah go ahead and complain about a new contract, but these owners are businessmen first, and yeah giving someone a fat contract before an agreement with the CBA is met is just not good business.

by Chitownproduct on Jun 16, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

It's called leverage

Players without a big payday in hand (guaranteed money), have zero security. A perfect example is Johnson in Tenn. He might be the best non-QB in the league and wants to get paid just like any other elite player. I don’t blame him much, cause he clearly deserves it. Regardless, he’ll be worth whatever investment the Titans make in him. It’s all about guaranteed money, so the years involved (even the potential lockout year) don’t really matter much because Tenn will see a great return financially in the near future.

"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!

by propheteer on Jun 16, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with what you're saying

But it doesn’t seem like to me the players have any leverage when it comes to a brand new contract in 2010, at least with guranteed money. Revis got offered a contract with 0 guranteed money and now he’s sitting down during practices lol.

The players can whine and sit out training camp all they want, i just don’t see an owner dumb enough to offer a giant contract this year without a CBA in place.

As far as Johnson, i can see him wanting to get paid more than 550,000 this year lol, but i think we all know how cheap the Titans owner can be, he doesn’t care if players sit out camps. History has taught us, a player probably is not going to sit out an entire season once the checks don’t start coming in every week.

by Chitownproduct on Jun 16, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

That’s the issue, the players have virtually no leverage. Those rookie contracts have ruined the process. Stud veterans are getting the shaft cause of the way the system is structured.

"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!

by propheteer on Jun 16, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haynesworth

Is a crybaby.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jun 16, 2010 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

an immensely talented crybaby though

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jun 17, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adrian Peterson

carrying around a 14lb football to help with fumbling issue – LINK

Personally, I think they should just Darnell Jefferson him.

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by David Taylor on Jun 16, 2010 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I would think carrying around a really heavy football

would make it easier to fumble, because you’d get used to having more weight in your hands than you will on gameday. But I’m not that guy.

If I did what I love for a living, what would I do in my free time?

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by Kev H on Jun 16, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I been watching NFL network the last few days and they say the exact same thing.
I would think carrying around a really heavy football
 would make it easier to fumble, because you’d get used to having more weight in your hands than you will on gameday. But I’m not that guy.

by Chitownproduct on Jun 16, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

Seems odd to make it heavy considering he’s supposed to have a Superman grip already. Maybe they should load the ball with a trigger instead that will blast music from the symbol formerly known as Prince if as soon as AP drops it.

by oripunk3485 on Jun 16, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

And/Or

Hunter Hillenmeyer continually rips it out of his hands.

If I did what I love for a living, what would I do in my free time?

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by Kev H on Jun 16, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man that was sweet.

Gotta wonder what AP thought afterwards… “who IS this guy?”

by oripunk3485 on Jun 17, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

And nothing for the movie reference… I threw that one in just for you.

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by David Taylor on Jun 16, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got it.

I love the Program. Good stuff.

If I did what I love for a living, what would I do in my free time?

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by Kev H on Jun 16, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knew you wouldn't let me down.

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by David Taylor on Jun 16, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought that too.

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

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by Ashley Czuba on Jun 16, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be the guy...

If Haynesworth was playing for the Bears this year, you could go ahead and pencil us in for the Superbowl barring massive injury issues.

A front 4 that includes Peppers, Harris, Haynesworth, and Izzy/Anderson would probably be the best front 4 in the league, then you add the best three LB in the league behind it and well, it doesn’t really matter who is playing any other position, as long as they know how to knock down jump balls.

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by Jacob Hayes on Jun 16, 2010 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Forget injuries

the man doesn’t want to play, he’s lazy, and a poor teammate, if Haynesworth comes to the bears, pencil us in for 6-10

We’re gonna be a pretty violent bunch. ~Lance Briggs

by BearNecessities on Jun 17, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

But think about it...

we could have a front four that consist of a DE that takes plays off, a DT that’s lazy, another DT that doesn’t practice and another DE that only has one move. We’d be Citizen Eco-Drive un-stoppable.

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by David Taylor on Jun 17, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I just threw up in my mouth a little

We’re gonna be a pretty violent bunch. ~Lance Briggs

by BearNecessities on Jun 17, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Out of curisoity...

Did you ever watch Haynesworth play for the Titans? I had the pleasure of doing so on a fairly regular basis. No one in Tennessee that I recall ever had a problem with him. Even when he had contract hold outs and that kind of thing, he always gave it full effort on the field, and it generally showed. The only thing you can really hate on him for as a character flaw is being a bit too nasty and emotional while on the field.

If you’re calling him lazy, saying he doesn’t want to play, and he’s a poor teammate because he doesn’t want to be pigeonholed into a position he isn’t fit for then I think you’ve been watching the merry-go-round of positional swaps on the Bears too long. If you’re saying it because he took issue with the scheme implementation his last defensive coordinator was running with the Redskins, well I think you should re-evaluate. He was playing just as hard as he played with the Titans, and to be honest suprisingly had just as many quality guys around him. However, the DC was unable to put his guys in a position to take advantage of the mandatory double team that Haynesworth draws.

Haynesworth is a massive beastly bowling ball on the inside, but he isn’t fit nor does he have the experience to play NT, and playing him at DE in a 3-4 is again playing him in a position he has no experieince in, and takes away some of the natural advantage he gives to the other players around him on the team.

Simply put, calling him a poor teammate is rediculous as Vaden Bosh wouldn’t have just been overpaid like crazy if it hadn’t been for Fat Al giving him the opportunity to get numbers beyond his skill level. Not to mention most of the personal fouls against him last year were for defending teammates, not his usual unbridled aggression.

He was voted by NFL players as the most dominant defender in the game last year, and I put more stock in their opinion of the guy that is demolishing them than I do most analysts.

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by Jacob Hayes on Jun 18, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haynesworth

Wouldn’t work. Lovie’s already said the scheme won’t work w/a 350 lb DT.

by walterfan34 on Jun 16, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

So... no to Vince Young then?

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by David Taylor on Jun 16, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Love John Cleese

But seriously, 0-0 ties? Give me a break. And honestly you could throw commercials in their nearly anytime you want except the countries playing would turn around and burn down their cities. I have created a long list of why SOCCER sucks, unfortunately creating this list is more time then I care to admit I spent thinking of soccer, so I quit.

If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms.- Mike Ditka

by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Jun 16, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Hahaha

0-0 ties is the exact reason I mentioned to David earlier today.

I enjoy soccer, just not enough to spend a lot of time with it. Sports that I like more already occupy more of my time than they should.

If I did what I love for a living, what would I do in my free time?

Writer at windycitygridiron.com {-/-} http://www.twitter.com/kdoggers

by Kev H on Jun 16, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soccer...

to me is the worst variation of the same sport that Hockey/Lacrosse/Polo/Soccer all are a part of.

Soccer’s lack of physicality between the players and the massive fields that create more spacing just generally make for a somewhat unexciting game. I’m not a fan of any of the sports mentioned, but its decidedly the lack of speed and physicality that causes it to lose out “amongst its own” and the lack of completion compared to other sports in the States.

There just isn’t any “end points”. There isn’t someone getting struck out, or getting on base. There isn’t a made basket or shot every 24 seconds or so. There isn’t a first down or punt. It’s all transitional stuff, and combine that with very few “scoring” attempts and you’ve got a recipe for nichedom in the US.

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by Jacob Hayes on Jun 18, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

0-0 ties combined with

Diving, really, if a dive is obvious on replay, there should be an automatic red card.

by DaHamsta on Jun 16, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the ties.

The game isn’t about individual outcomes per se. It’s about getting to the end with the most points. It’s the most fair system out there, considering in a good amount of the leagues all teams play all teams both home and away.

Cards are supposed to be issued for obvious diving, although it’s not enforced as much as its should.

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by David Taylor on Jun 16, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's because the game

is considered “slow” by American standards, and usually a lower scoring affair than even baseball…and the only sport that even comes close to selling a foul, is basketball.

Make the game on a shorter field a la indoor soccer, stop the whining about “it’s football, not soccer”, ignore it when a strong breeze rolls by and a player wants a red card called, and you’d have yourself a pretty popular sport.

We’re gonna be a pretty violent bunch. ~Lance Briggs

by BearNecessities on Jun 17, 2010 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

the "slow" argument...

I’ve never quite understood. There’s no team timeout, tv timeouts or pause between plays. It’s two 45 minute periods of non-stop action. I think the “slow” argument is built on a common misconception of the game.

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by David Taylor on Jun 17, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

slow as in no scoring

fans want high scoring, thrilling affairs, not pass, pass, run this way, pass, pass….oh wait, flopping, free kick, header, pass, pass….etc. for 73 minutes. and then 2 minutes of in the goal action.

I enjoy soccer, and I’m loving the world cup. just playin’ devils advocate

We’re gonna be a pretty violent bunch. ~Lance Briggs

by BearNecessities on Jun 17, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

meh.

I say boo on them then.

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by David Taylor on Jun 17, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, soccer is technically non-stop

but there seems to be a good amount of dead time

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jun 18, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t want [Haynesworth]. I don’t care if he shoots rainbows out his butt and makes unicorns out of pudding.

What if he shot pudding out of his butt?

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Jun 17, 2010 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

What flavor?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Jun 17, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spotted dick :-D

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Jun 18, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK Dane I'll give this one my best effort.

Haynesworth. Yes he’s a whiner. Yes he’s a crybaby. You must be thinking, enough said, and you may be right but I’ll take my shot anyway. He’s a 3 technique tackle who fits our gap scheme. As stated by many on NFL network (forgive me for being too lazy/busy to find/post any links) he commands a double team. Lined up one on one he’s a fricking beast. Tommie Harris has similar attributes and if nothing else, he’ll push Harris to improve his work ethic. (I know Dane, or they’ll both be lazy together but I think 2 malcontents force one another to be the lesser of two evils) Plus, many of us have stated that Peppers will demand a double team. If Albert does the same shouldn’t the offensive line be overwhelmed on every play two to one? What if Tommie is half his probowl form? Doesn’t that create D line havoc for any opposing offense? Additionally, this isn’t a contract dispute. He doesn’t want more cash and the biggest chunk of his salary is already paid. It wouldn’t be a new negotiation to land him, just a matter of giving up future draft picks. Keep in mind, we appear to be in win now mode anyway so why not go for it all in one fell swoop? Add that to the guru that has yet to show his true guru-ness in HotRod Marinelli and this could be a HUGE move for the Bears. You don’t want him? Really? I’m on the fence but I had to post a rebuttal. This move has waaaaaay too much potential to simply say, “No thanks.” Just sayin’

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Jun 17, 2010 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh and reportedly Minnesota AND Detroit are interested, so there's that too.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Jun 17, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

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