Who's your Nickleback?
With Danieal Manning taking reps exclusively at strong safety there looks to be someone new coming in on passing situations for the Bears in 2010. While not a starter, the nickleback is as important a piece to the defense as there is. The NFL is a passing league and you need a deep and productive defensive secondary to have success in the NFL. I still believe that 'defense wins championships' and 'you build a successful team starting in the trenches', but you better add that trigger man at some point to find sustained glory... or since we're talking defense, you better be able to stop that trigger man.
I know that an improved pass rush can make even some mediocre defensive backs look serviceable, but you still hope to have the kind of depth in the secondary where your nickle can make some plays. So far the Bears have had Corey Graham and D.J. Moore splitting time at the position with no clear cut favorite.
Now before I get into the 2 top nickleback prospects in more detail, I need to touch on the safety position. The Bears in all their wisdom moved Manning to strong safety (which I have no problem with) a position that he's never technically played (but still I'm OK with the move). They then draft a free safety in Major Wright (again I'm on board). They then trade for Chris Harris (I'm a fan). Holdovers Craig Steltz, Josh Bullocks, Al Afalava are in the mix, but look to be long shots to start. So the plan as it looks now is to have Manning start at strong safety, even though he's more experienced at free safety, and to have Harris start at free safety, even though he's more experienced at strong safety. Makes perfect sense in a Lovie Smith world.
On to the nickle players. Lovie hasn't tipped his hand yet (from Yahoo! Sports);
"I'd just kind of go with that right now and let it play out at the nickel position," coach Lovie Smith said. "We like the potential. We've seen Corey Graham. We know a little bit about what type of player he is. We're excited about seeing D.J. at the nickel position. He has good instinct, great hands. We'll see how he goes."
Moore never really had a chance to show anything last season, whereas Graham has played in 45 games in his 3 year career with 10 starts. I thought after his 2008 season when he had 9 starts at corner (70 tackles, 1 INT, 1 FF, and 1 FR) he was a player that would consistently contribute for Chicago moving forward. Somehow he fell out of favor before the '09 season, some even saying he landed in the Lovie Smith Doghouse, even though there was never any actual reports as to why.
Who's the NFL odds on favorite to win the gig? Let's look at the two of them in a fight night style tale of the tape:
Corey Graham / D.J. Moore
6'0" 198 / 5'9" 183
age 24 / age 23
4th year pro / 2nd year pro
45 games played / 3 games played
The following are from the scouting reports on CBSSports.com
Graham / Moore
4.38 forty / 4.56 forty
10 bench reps / 17 bench reps
39" vertical / 39.5" vertical
42 college starts / 34 college starts
Interesting to note that both were accomplished return men in college, both were tabbed as good fits for the Cover 2 scheme, and both were knocked for their size coming to the NFL. From the aforementioned scouting report on Graham:
Negatives: Despite weighing 195 pounds, he has a rail-thin frame with marginal muscle mass in the upper body and thin calves and thighs ... Needs to add at least 10 pounds of muscle and continue to dedicate considerable hours in the training room to improve his marginal strength ...
But at least Moore did have a positive about his build:
Positives: Good upper body build for his size.
Negatives: Barely adequate height for a corner.
Personally I think Graham has the edge. I've liked what he's done in the past, and he has some nickleback experience. I just wonder if there is any truth to the doghouse rumors, and if they'll be any lingering effects if said rumors are true. If I had to lay odds I'd go even money right now. Both are in participating in all off season activities, and where Graham has the experience edge Moore has the "new toy" feel to him. I just hope the best man wins.
Even though I know I'm gonna regret typing this, please no Chad Kroeger/Nickleback jokes.
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Corey Graham is quicker than I thought
but I really wanna see Manning there
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by BearNecessities on Jun 8, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions
I'd like
Harris at SS Wright at FS (if he proves he can do the job) and Manning at Nickle
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jun 8, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
same here.
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by David Taylor on Jun 8, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
that's what my fingers are crossed for
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by BearNecessities on Jun 8, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
That is what seems most logical
But with Lovie it won’t happen.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I'll take Graham over Manning at Nickle, regardless
of what happens with Wright.
Somewhat contradicting what I’ve stated. I think Manning is better at Nickle, than he is at safety.
I just think Graham is better in coverage than Manning. And would imagine Graham is better than DJ Moore as well.
I have a feeling once the pads come on
and the coaches get a fresh look at D-Man arm tackling they will moave him to nickle and have the two heavy hitters in the safety spots. Of course this is all depending on how fast Wright picks everthing up.
Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...
I want to see Graham
I always liked him and never knew why he fell out of favor. And from the tweets coming out of OTAs it sounds like he has been doing quite well.
"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.' - Chris Berman
by Sam Householder on Jun 8, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
I'm going with Chad Kroger but purely for his veteran leadership.
BearNecessities you're my assistant, okay you're supposed to
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by Ditkavsworld on Jun 8, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
haha.
you know how I know you’re…
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by David Taylor on Jun 8, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Cause you thought the same thing?
BearNecessities you're my assistant, okay you're supposed to
back me up and go get me juice boxes when I tell you. Now go get me
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by Ditkavsworld on Jun 8, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew it!
Don’t make it green it’ll just inspire more jokes!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jun 8, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much gonna set the ball rolling on that then
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by BearNecessities on Jun 8, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I've temporarily changed the number
of recs needed to engreeninate a comment from 3 to 30.
I’ve got your back Mr. Lester.
haha!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jun 8, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
You'll rue the day you messed with me Wilt.... go on now, start ruing.....
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by Ditkavsworld on Jun 8, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
someone's gotta test this out, right?
one more for green?
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by David Taylor on Jun 8, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry Ditka...
I can only get your back so far.
Your video makes me want a fried bologna sandwich. Okay, not really. But that is what it made me think of.
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Hey I appreciate the effort. I guess Dane is going to abuse his power on here.
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His hair is glorious.
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by Ditkavsworld on Jun 8, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
muwahhhh hahaha!
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jun 8, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly think Graham will be the no. 2 by seasons end and Jennings will be the Nickel.
I think Tillman is coming to the end of his career. His body has taken quite a beating over the years and I think he just can’t take he wear and tear of a 16 game season any longer.
Perhaps, I’m wrong (which quite often I am)…
… But, I just see too many games in which he has been subbed, pulled for various reasons, or goes into the game with nagging injuries.
Plus, he has not participated in offseason workouts for some time now. Which shows, that his body is beat!
Hope he proves me wrong, but not by being on the field as a “liability” either.
Semper Fi
Hope you're wrong
Tillman is the other heart of this team, to me anyways, besides Urlacher
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by BearNecessities on Jun 8, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree on his place with the defensive unit.
… However, I just don’t see his physical ability matching that big heart.
Perhaps with better safety play he will prove otherwise. That’s one area I am very excited to see some additions to.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Jun 8, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
... ZOOM!
That’s the sound of a drive-by reply with “no reasoning” behind it.
Thanks! Haha!?
Again, it’s just an opinion based upon his track record. I hope I’m wrong too.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Jun 8, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Graham because he is bigger and faster.
Harris and Manning should have their spots shifted. Like you said, some of the things Lovie does aren’t making any sense. Let the guys work in the positions that they are good at.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Michael Wright of ESPNChicago decided to copy you Lester.
LINK
He includes writeups on Jennings, Josh Moore, and Woodny Turenne also.
TIM JENNINGS
Another of the top candidates, Jennings — a free-agent addition from the Colts — also brings plenty of experience to the position. Jennings replaced Charles Tillman as the starter opposite Zackary Bowman during minicamp for one practice session. A former second-round pick, Jennings has started 21 games and picked off four career passes in addition to registering 161 tackles.
Lack of size appears to be Jennings’ main physical deficiency, given he’s 5-8 and 185 pounds. There’s concern about whether he’ll hold up in the slot against big, physical receivers. Jennings flashes impressive speed and solid tackling ability, but with the Colts he never lived up to his billing as a second-round pick, and was passed on the depth chart a few times by younger players.
JOSHUA MOORE
Despite Moore’s lack of upper-body strength (two bench-press repetitions of 225 pounds at the combine), "you can’t deny his ability in man-to-man [coverage]," said one NFC South scout. Moore showcased those lockdown skills during minicamp, making several plays during one-on-one drills. Given Moore’s promising start, it’s likely he’ll receive serious consideration at nickel.
Moore (5-11, 188 pounds) already seems to be a fluid corner, who should only improve after mastering some of the technical nuances of the NFL game. Even with a lack of upper-body strength, Moore has shown on film he’s a willing defender against the run (although he struggles to shed blockers). He’ll be evaluated closely at camp, and if Moore isn’t what the club expected when it drafted him from Kansas State in the fifth round, he could wind up on the practice squad.
WOODNY TURENNE
Somewhat of a dark horse to emerge as the starting nickel, Turenne joined the club last season as an undrafted free agent with an eye on development for the future. Well, the future could be now for Turenne, who spent the first 15 weeks of 2009 on the practice squad.
Turenne possesses decent size (6-0, 184 pounds), solid instincts and has shown he can handle the physicality of run support. But some scouts question his ball skills and whether his top-end speed is adequate enough to hold his own in man coverage. Like D.J. Moore and Joshua Moore, Turenne remains somewhat raw. But at camp last year, Turenne displayed a penchant for making plays.
not the first time...
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jun 8, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Nickel DB
I think it should be Corey Graham. Really liked how he progressed from 07 to 08 and really am not sure why he didn’t play more last year. As far as the comparisons w/D.J. Moore go, i don’t see him even making the team this year, so I’d definitely go w/Graham but I’d keep an eye on someone like Turenne in pre-season.
Josh Moore...............
Will have the job next year……………..With that being said, I like Corey this year………..
by I love football! on Jun 8, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions
Josh Moore huh?
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." ~ Dick Butkus
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jun 9, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions

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