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Peppers to Haynesworth. Apples to Oranges.

Last Friday, Sports Illustrated writer Don Banks posted an article discussing some of the more important questions facing a few NFL teams heading into the 2010 season.

Banks’ only question for the Bears; Will Julius Peppers elevate the Bears defense more than Jay Cutler did for the offense last year?

A very fair question. He goes on to state how Jay Cutler’s first season as a Bear resulted in two fewer wins than the year before. Again, fair enough. We might have let Cutler Mania get the best of us, but so did his colleague Peter King.

We are more prepared for big news this offseason; we will not get ahead of ourselves.

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However, Cutler did set the Bears franchise records for most completions (336) and attempts (555). He also threw for the second most yards (3,666) and third most touchdowns (27) ever by a Bears quarterback. Not too shabby.

If Peppers goes on to break two Bears franchise records and challenge for two more, I think we did all right.

But then Banks takes a confusing turn in his answer to his own question. He compares the Bears signing of Peppers to that of the Washington Redskins signing of Albert Haynesworth last off season. Banks continues to call out the play on the field, and more notably, compares Peppers’ character to that of Haynesworth.

Banks' original question was fair, but is the comparison to Haynesworth’s character as so? 

Albert Haynesworth may be a head case to some, but do not underestimate what his presence meant to the Redskins defense last year. The ‘Skins defense finished the 2009 season in the top 10 in overall defense and passing defense. Rookie linebacker Brain Orakpo finished the season with 11 sacks and a Pro Bowl invite; I can’t help but think that huge #92 in the middle had something to do with that.

Haynesworth, though dominant on the field at times, has had a few off the field incidents. Let me correct that, Haynesworth’s incidents actually happened on the field.

Though he plays defensive tackle, it appears as if Haynesworth wanted to try out for the kicker position a few years back. In a 2003 training camp incident, the 6’6" 350 lb. behemoth got into an altercation with teammate, center Justin Hartwig, and kicked Hartwig in the chest. Haynesworth then had to be restrained by teammates. Now, we all know how testy it can get during camp in 100 degree weather. Fighting amongst teammates is very common and even welcomed by some coaches. However, isn’t there an unwritten ‘Bro Code’ against kicking, hair pulling, and eye gouging? He might as well have kicked the guy in the nuts and run away.

OK, OK, I guess training camp fights aren’t that bad. But Haynesworth’s next attack, ironically against another center, crossed the line.

In a 2006 game against the Dallas Cowboys, the Cowboys’ Andre Gurode lay on the ground after a Cowboys' touchdown. Haynesworth then proceeds to knock the helmet off of Gurode and tries to stomp on his head. After a failed first attempt, our model citizen does not give up easily and takes a second stomp at the head of the defenseless Gurode. This time, the cowardly act finds it mark.

Gurode is inflicted with a severe cut near his right eye; he would require 30 stitches to close the gash. Haynesworth was given a 15 yard personal foul penalty, which he did not agree with as he threw his helmet to the ground in disgust. Really, Big Guy? Seriously?!

This bizarre, foolish behavior would result in another 15 yard penalty and ejection. He would then serve a five game suspension for his actions.

Haynesworth seemed to clean up his image over the next couple of years and parlayed his good behavior into a staggering $100 million contact with the Washington Redskins. Well, the honeymoon in Washington has come to an abrupt halt.

Upset over a new 3-4 defensive scheme, Haynesworth has skipped all mandatory Redskins activities and has adamantly requested a trade. All of this after banking in close to $40 million guaranteed from the team. Good luck with that, D.C.

On top of everything else, Haynesworth has never started all 16 games in a season in his eight year NFL career.

Now, on to Peppers; this won’t take long.

After starting the first 12 games of his rookie year, Peppers was caught using a banned dietary supplement. He would be suspended for the last four games of the season but would still tally 12 sacks and earn Defensive Rookie of the Year Honors.

He would go on to start every game for the Carolina Panthers over the following four seasons, recording 41.5 sacks over that span and leading the Panthers to the Super Bowl in 2003.

Amid a contract dispute and a lack of a supporting cast, Peppers showed his frustrations by playing below expectations in 2007. Though he only missed two games that year, he finished the season with a career low 2.5 sacks.

This is where all of the character questions stem from. One. Bad. Season.

The follow up to the 2007 season should put any character concerns to rest. Peppers entered ’08 with a new sense of purpose and a chip on his shoulder. He started all 16 games that season, finishing the year fifth in the NFL in sacks with 14.5 and helping Carolina to a division title. In his last year with the Panthers, 2009, Peppers recorded a team high 10.5 sacks and made the Pro Bowl. How’s that for silencing the naysayers?

As far as I can tell, the only similarities between Peppers and Haynesworth is that they were both taken in the 2002 draft and over the last two years both have signed lucrative free agent contracts.

Looking over the rap sheet for these two defensive linemen; I see that Albert Haynesworth has at least two assaults and an attempted grand larceny by trying to steal 40 million big ones from the Redskins. Julius Peppers had cloudy piss and one unproductive season.

I rest my case. Your move Banks...

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Well, Don Banks

I’d rather have Julius Peppers than not at all. With Taylor, Manu, C. Harris, and even Major Wright…I’m really looking forward to the season.

Geez….there other dysfunctional teams in the league that have bigger and badder problems out there.

by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Jul 19, 2010 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes

Yes you sure told his ass!!!

by Dozjah on Jul 19, 2010 6:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

He goes on to state how Jay Cutler’s first season as a Bear resulted in two fewer more losses than the year before.

by JordanRay on Jul 19, 2010 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

is he supposed to be the apple or the orange?

orange julius anybody? forgive me in advance for when we wear the orange jerseys.

by No It All on Jul 19, 2010 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Hahaaa

Nice pun.

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by HoneyBear on Jul 20, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right on the money!

I think that the parrot mentality runs real wild on the NFL.
Some guys listen to one silly argument and they repeat it without thinking about it for themselves. Which is weird since they are journalists.

But it’s also weirder that they simply ignore facts like the ones you just wrote above. One thing is to fantasize. Another is to completely ignore real things.

If someone starts their argument by saying that pep doesn’t give 100% every time i just flat out ignore them. Because it’s an exception to the Rule.
And if pep wasn’t a consistently good athlete, he wouldn’t have 6 of his 8 year career double digit sacks seasons. Summing up to 81 sacks in just 8 Years.

Have these guys EVER see a guy who doesn’t in fact give 100% all the time ? I’ve seen TONS of them in the NFL and they sure as hell don’t have 81 sacks.

BEAR DOWN!!

by Pulyx on Jul 19, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

And to build on it

I think that not only Peppers will be really good for the Defense, he’s going to help elevate the play of Cutler AND the offensive line.
It must be hard to react to passrush in training when even your own team doesn’t have one.

Look at all the teams with good offensive lines, all of them had good passrush.
Including the 2005-2006 Bears. They had more passrush and their OL was decent-to-good.

Good defenses in practice help keep our own offenses sharp and attent.

BEAR DOWN!!

by Pulyx on Jul 19, 2010 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Uh?

The major thing the two have in common is that they are both Defensive Linemen.
The rest of the story is some Hack looking for a story there somewhere, and desperately trying to spin gold from straw :(

by pbanachi on Jul 19, 2010 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

The thing I never understood is why would he play nose tackle?? Someone with Al’s ability should be an end in the 3-4 so I just don’t understand how he got the idea he would be playing NT. Unless someone told him directly in which case that person is an idiot. Playing Al at the nose is a waste IMO.

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Jul 19, 2010 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Good read!

Very Valid points. I’m just hoping we get what those bastards Green Bay got when they got Reggie (“that’s racist”) White. Hell I’ll take %75 of that.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Jul 19, 2010 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Great read....

After last year’s massive let down I feel like insiders are really skiddish to even admit we got better over the offseason which is completely undeniable. Period. There’s no way we aren’t immediately a playoff contender with what we did. The only slight question marks are 1 safety (Because Harris is gonna play well at either position), and the Pepperless side of the line. If Harrison shows up to camp ready to play and Wootten puts heat on Anderson/Idonije it could end up nasty. If Harris disappears, Harrison never shows up, or the opposite side of the line is inconsistent, Peppers won’t get a chance to do much, so it’s a worry, but I think we have enough depth to find a combo that will work. On offense the line is better with Tice. How much better we’ll see. The receiving corps was solid last year is a year older and with a passing guru. Can’t see how that won’t work. Cutler seems to be clicking with Martz and now we have 2 really good backs, and an extra tackle in Manu so even if the line struggles, we can plug holes. I don’t understand how there is 0 love.

"Just gotta make plays"

by Ken Bo Spice on Jul 20, 2010 1:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Someone of questionable character making that kind of money and doing almost nothing worthwhile?

That kind of behavior is unheard of in DC.

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by JerBear50 on Jul 20, 2010 4:46 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Peppers to Haynesworth?

Thats a pretty rough comparison.

Haynesworth to me is one of the most vile, disgusting NFL football players in the game today. The eye gouge an the greedyness make him sub-human. How could this be a reasonable comparison?

It’s funny if we had the defense last year that we had in 06’ people would be saying we could be one of the best defenses ever in the NFL. (With the Peppers addition) Now that our defense is playing far below expectations we get absolutely no credit. As if we had a comparable defense to say, the Cleveland Browns.

I really don’t think this team deserves any credit. What have we done lately? Until that changes we are not going to get any credit, everything will be shed in a bad light.

by Erock66 on Jul 20, 2010 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Take that Don Banks and SI!

Mark Saade and WCG just kicked your ass!

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jul 20, 2010 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Good post!

Although, I didn’t take Banks statement of:

But didn’t we say the same thing last year at this time about Albert Haynesworth making the rest of the Redskins’ D-line that much better? And like Haynesworth, isn’t Peppers a supremely talented player who has been accused of not always bringing the same level of motivation to his work each and every game?

… As being an attack on his character as much as he was questioning his work ethic (which I think is still a weak argument by Banks).

Haynesworth has character issues that stem from poor morale and an unpleasant attitude of sportsmanship. Haynesworth is the consummate athlete that we speak of on these boards who is more worried about himself rather than the lifestyle he has been blessed to have and the 52-other guys that surround him.

Peppers, on the other hand, played on a team that was riddled with offensive woes and injuries for several years. He also had produced beyond that of his counterparts at his position for a lengthy span of time and was not paid as such for quite a long period of time. The way he went about free agency wasn’t with all the fanfare of Haynesworth several years ago and he didn’t do the “Lebron James” and put on a spectacle by traveling all over the US to meet with teams seeking his services.

I do agree with Banks that it is a big risk to put that much cap space into ANY player, but I think it was a sound business decision by the Bears to do so. Presented with the needs of getting pressure on the opposing teams QB, they:

1.) understood the direction of their division (passing division; major QBs) and wha they needed to compete within it.
2.) sought the best possible way to increase their subpar pass defense of previous year. (No 1st or 2nd rd draft picks, but plenty of cap space; Peppers best DE/DL on market)
3.) outbid the demand for his services of any other team.

How Banks can see that being a bad move is beyond me. Risky? Sure. Washington Redskins and Haynesworth “risky”? No. Haynesworth had a bunch of red flags going into that offseason.

Semper Fi

by ChicagoMarine on Jul 20, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Peppers

I definitely think we have the guy who makes the bigger impact not only this year, but in the future as well. Pass rushers like Peppers aren’t free agents that often and I think this was a big move to help solidify the D. A double-digit sack season in ‘10 is only the beginning for a guy who will make a huge difference in everyone’s play. As for Haynesworth, WAS was a bad team last year, I know Shanahan’s the new coach, but I can’t see them making a big splash this year. Peppers will make a bigger impact because he’s a better player.

by walterfan34 on Jul 20, 2010 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Haynesworth = Garbage

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 23, 2010 2:03 AM CDT reply actions  

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