The Bears Den: August 11, 2010
by Dane Noble on Aug 11, 2010 7:13 AM CDT
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...where we're glad to see folks healing up from injuries as we approach Saturday!
Rookie DE Wootton shares his thoughts in a weekly diary.
Is Major Wright starting to mold into a starter on defense?
Hester talks about the team's stance on him returning punts.
Bob Babich talks about his LBs, with Urlacher talking about Pisa.
Dez Clark gives his insights into his H-Back role.
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ESPN Chicago looks at DJ Moore, as well as the battle at NT.
Finally a story on OC Mike Martz that isn't run-of-the-mill.
A day at training camp with John "Moon" Mullin.
How many WCGers are in this video?
Get to know a little bit about Bears PA announcer Jim Riebandt.
College football preseason power rankings.
Some dude doesn't know to wear a cap; allows girlfriend to get hit by foul ball.
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I've heard next to nothing from DM
Don’t know if That’s good or not. I’d still rather have Major as starter. We drafted him because there was a problem at safety.
You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes.
by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 11, 2010 7:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
agreed on this
if DM was the answer…we’d have a superbowl ring from 06…and he’d have been our starting Safety ever since
He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers
by BearNecessities on Aug 11, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I heard good things on Manning
Thing is that Major Wright is showing up every day and making plays. That’s not to say that Manning isn’t…
… It’s just that he is not Angelo/Lovie’s first pick in this year’s draft. He has not proven himself to be the future and Wright is showing that he is.
And in a year where Angelo needs some “positives” from his draft classes, I can’t see Manning being in the forefront of this camp position battle.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 11, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
This about says it all for our offense:
Will Martz and Cutler make beautiful offense together? Or will Martz blow his top after a four-interception day by Cutler?
That’s the beauty of the 2010 season in Chicago.
I think Martz understands the dynamics of what he is asking Cutler to do in this offense.
It’s a “throw-to-open-spots” offense and not a “throw-to-open-receivers” offense like under Turdner.
I think as long as Cutler trusts the offense and accepts the mistakes that comes with it, Martz will stay off of his back— even in those 4 ints games.
But, if he starts playing on his own accord and not following the “Martz way” as it was in S.F., then you will see this start to unravel.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 11, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Well the Martz article wasn't run-of-the-mill except for
Yep, the same Cutler who wore out his welcome in Denver
Eyes rolled.
I don't understand that logic
he said he wanted a trade? he was beyond welcome there IMO, until he said he didn’t wanna play there anymore.
He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers
by BearNecessities on Aug 11, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't know who the bigger
stereotypical douchebag is, Mark Schlereth, or the guy from the foul ball video
I wouldn't call the "bailer"
a douch, but certainly a p****. I liked how he was trying to defend his manhood to his girlfriend after the fact. She probably already broke up with him.
Schlereth is the ultimate biased moron. I wish someone would call him out on his blatant homerism to the Donkeys.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Agreed!
He usually trumpets whatever ESPN tells him to say.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 11, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
That baseball movie
reminds me of when I went to a Ft. Wayne Wizards game in high school with my then boyfriend and his family. A foul ball came right at us and instead of catching it (he played baseball at our high school) he ducked behind his mom and it hit her in the leg! I had never been to a baseball game before, so I didn’t think to grab it once it hit her (I was too worried about her!), but he did. LOL… he turned out to be a total jerk… I should’ve seen it after that. Haha.
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You're dating yourself by calling them the Wizards, they are the Tin Caps
and they won the championship last year. WOO HOO Single A baseball!!!! Anyway the old staduim is gone and the parking lot is back, maybe that guy is working concessions at the new stadium. But that’s rather bush league he let the ball hit his mom, I boo that man.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 11, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha.
I know they’re the Tin Caps now.. but they weren’t when I was there! Lol. I haven’t seen the new stadium or anything yet though.
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
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by Ashley Czuba on Aug 11, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a pretty nice stadium
best one in the Midwest League they say. Rivals some of the AA and AAA ballparks.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 12, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
D.J. Moore?
I really see this guy being the “Garrett Wolfe” of the secondary. I really don’t see him being fit to play secondary at the next level. Too small and no quicker than any competing corner looking to be the third corner on this team.
I hope that Corey Graham plays the 3rd corner (nickel) this year, but I think he is in Lovie’s “doo doo” house for some odd reason.
I’m really interested to know more about Joshua Moore and how his development is coming into fruition. D.J. Moore is really an afterthought for me at this point.
Semper Fi
Lance Louis is not the problem-- It's Frank Omiyale
Lance Louis is going to be FINE in 2010. He is in the Mike Tice mold. He’s big (6’3), 305+lbs, has good feet (athletic), and has a mean streak. He’s a converted tight end so he understands blocking and getting his hands up and on a defender.
From all reports I’ve read, Omiyale is playing soft and confused. This baffles me considering that he is back at his natural position. He did well in the Carolina “run first” system and has been less than spectacular this entire camp.
I hope that gameday proves otherwise, but that right side of the line is starting to worry me.
Semper Fi
I'm just wondering
when 305 lbs is considered “big.” He’s supposed to be strong as an ox, but I think he’s decent size, especially when he goes against Pat and Kevin Williams.
As far as Omi goes, let’s see him in a preseason game before saying he’s going to be the problem.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Guards in the NFL
… Can’t be massive (315+lbs) like Tackles because of what they are being asked to do.
They are more run blockers than pass blockers, so they are asked to push through the first defender and get to the second tier which would have your LBs. A 6’6" 315+ guy is going to have a tougher time doing that than a guy who is roughly 6 feet and about 300 lbs.
Strength and agility is what is necessary as they are also assisted by the Center who chips one way or the other depending on where the direction of the play is.
Louis who JD of ESPN says is 315 lbs (even though he is listed on Bears site as 305; who knows when that was last updated) is big for a Guard as some of the best Guards are about his size. Jahri Evans is 6’4" 315… Chris Snee is 6’3 315+…
… The thing that stands out is not so much their size, but their quickness and blocking technique. Snee was a standout DE in HS and Evans played HS basketball before he even took a snap as a football player.
I think the big things you need for the position is speed and strength. Considering Louis’ background and what I’ve heard about him from beat writers in Chicago, I think he will work out.
As for Omiyale, I am waiting for the first preseason game to be played (as I said prior), but I can’t say that his “problems” at RT doesn’t concern me considering the investment that ANgelo made in him and that he I’m CERTAIN he wants to see him start and perform (as he did last year to a fault).
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 11, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Makes sense
I always thought of guards being a bit more bulky, thus weighing a little more. I suppose I’m kind of sick of seeing the Williams wall push our guards/center around so much. Like you said, speed and strength are the names of the game.
Hopefully, we’ll see Omi work out throughout the four preseason games. If not, Shaffer is a worthy backup and rated second best on the line last season next to Kreutz.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
I agree on Shaffer
You know what you get in Shaffer and I think Tice trusts that. Hence, why he had the early opportunity at Guard early in the offseason.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 11, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus...
… Now that the “juice” is turned off for the Williams Wall, I’m not so sure you will see the same thing coming out of those two as we saw two years ago.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 11, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
In regard to Pat, definitely.
Kevin is one of the best, if not the best DT in the game though. I really don’t think a weight loss drug had any effect on them playing.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Kevin is good
But, it fails to be seen what he brings to the d-line of the Vikings on his own.
Sort of like when Tommie and Tank split up.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 11, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point
but I think injuries had more of a role in Tommie’s decline than Tank did.
Pat is starting to see the end of the road.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Injuries and no help.
No question on the injuries, but having a second person to occupy the middle is certainly a luxury that not many teams have. Tank was a pretty good tackle his couple years in Chicago and I think the Bears are “hoping” that Marcus Harrison can bring a solid duo as Pat and Kevin are in Minnesota.
If not, you might see the Bears line Peppers up next to Harris to get two dominant rushers side by side and get matchup problems on the opposite.
If there is ANY year that Mark Anderson or whoever the second tackle tackle will be (Harrison or Adams), should perform…
… It’s this year!
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 12, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Tackle may be his natural position
but he did spend an entire year trying to learn guard and unlearn tackle.
If he’s having problems in a month then I’ll be concerned… but I’m OK if Kevin Shaffer wins the job
In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 11, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
From a "as we stand" aspect-- absolutely!
I think Shaffer would fill in just fine.
But, from another failed FA that Angelo has spent resources on I would be a bit disheartened if Omiyale was unable to work out.
Omiyale signed a 4-year $11.5 million contract and was Angelo’s answer (Lovie & Frank thought Tackle; signing interview) to Guard. In these past two offseasons, there were ample opportunities for the Bears to get a quality Guard to fill the roster. In fact, there was a chance to get “book end” tackles in the past three drafts even with the limited amount of picks (O. Pace was brought in; Lovie/Angelo decision).
Personally (and it’s my opinion), I look at Frank Omiyale as a player who needs to prove himself for Jerry Angelo. I see him starting regardless of “who is better” at week 1 and that could be bad for chemistry and cohesiveness of o-line as a unit.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 11, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember the last Panthers LB we got?
A guy name Tim Shaw.
Dude’s a total beast.
Don’t underestimate these guys lol
Lol dude destroys people
You must not be a tru blue WCGer if you do not think Tim Shaw is the best thing since Dick Butkus. I mean come on STL i thought you were better than this
by suckmyditka on Aug 12, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I just wish...
he were more involved in the defense. One complaint (and it’s a long list) I’ve had over the last 3 seasons is that the defense wasn’t tackling well. Shaw is a beast and tackles well. I am a huge fan of Shaw, but he doesn’t get to see the field much, so his beastyness goes for little impact on the game. I say put him in at SLB and let him blow up a few RBs and WRs and watch the play of the defense improve!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
Well
Hopefully Pisa can stay healthy because he’s a blow up tackler aswell, but i agree.
Shaw will be a hell of a replacement when Lach calls it quits
by suckmyditka on Aug 12, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Wright
I love hearing/reading about him making plays in this defense, whether or not it’s with the second or first team. If he stays healthy, he’ll be starting by game 1.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Anyone here even slightly concerned
about the possibility of opening 0-3?
The Lions aren’t going to be an easy team this year, Cowboys are good(ugh) and the Packers vs Bears always tough, regardless of the teams depth chart or records.
He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers
by BearNecessities on Aug 11, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions
Not really
I don’t see a way the Bears lose at home against the Lions. Cutler and company should destroy their secondary, cause I believe it will take a few games for their defensive line to come together. It’s reported that Suh hasn’t exactly come out on fire since signing his mega-deal. On the contrary, Peppers should also ravage the Lions pathetic offensive line. I think with Martz’s aggressive, often confusing and high-powered offense, the Bears will hang in a lot more games then previous years. NFLs long-running mantra….“Any given Sunday.”
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Re: The Lions
Especially this early season game. I’m not particularly looking forward to the game at Detroit later in the season, because I think the Lions will really be starting to click by then.
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Agreed!
Although, I do worry about the Bears offense “clicking” in the first three games. I think the defense is going to be stellar early on. Hopefully, the injuries remain light throughout. If so, this defense should be on par to the one in 2006 (not 2005).
Peppers and a reinvigorated Tommie Harris is going to be special. Mark Anderson will have all the one-on-one’s he can handle. It’ll be up to him to get to the QB and if not— expect Izzey (Wooten?) to get the reps.
LBs will be beastly as well!
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 11, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Lovie is really talking u Wooten
I expect to see him competing for time early and possibley starting midway/later on in the season
Not worried about the Lions
I know that at times the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, but in looking at the Lions’ roster, I don’t see enough talent to compete. Pleanty of potential, sure. But how many Lions would start for the Bears this year? Calvin Johnson, Gosder Cherilus, Rob Sims (?), and Ndamukong Suh would, and that’s about it. The way I see it, there is no reason that we should be overly worried about a group of guys that would mostly be back-ups in Chicago.
What's that? Ah -- Playoffs? Don't talk about -- playoffs?! You kidding me?! Playoffs?! - Jim Mora
Maybe
I’m sure he’d get a look. If he’s as talented as everyone says, he’d at least be in the mix. Regardless, if the two teams were combined into one squad I think we’d see around 85% of the starters be Bears. And if that is the case, I don’t think we should be too worried about losing to them at home in week one. You can’t coach talent.
What's that? Ah -- Playoffs? Don't talk about -- playoffs?! You kidding me?! Playoffs?! - Jim Mora
Well
If reports are correct, Suh isn’t impressing anyone in Lions camp.
It’s all “He’s a rookie” blah blah blah
No where near the praise that Major Wright is recieving from his teammates/coaches.
And honestly i think there are only two people on the whole Lions team who would start over a Bear and that’s Cherilus (over Omi) and Megatron
by suckmyditka on Aug 12, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still a little urked by...
this line from the Wright story:
Although he’s responsible for barking out signals to teammates, the 22-year-old insists that he’s not intimidated being on the field with perennial Pro Bowlers Brian Urlacher, Julius Peppers, Lance Briggs and Tommie Harris.
I’ll buy Peppers, Briggs and Urlacher, but do the Bears have to keep selling Tommie Harris so hard as a “perennial” pro-bowler. At best, his last 3 years have been marginally average. Couldn’t they have just left off Harris for the list.
Nonetheless, I am very impressed with the language Wright uses. You can see he thinks about what words he uses before he says them. He doesn’t speak in inane coaching cliches like “…give 110%…” or “…get off the bus running…”. If his athleticism is what the accounts say it is during the camp drills, he’s going to be a starter before the end of the season. IMO, he should be by week one.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
Urlachers last Pro Bowl was in 2006
Harris last was voted a Pro Bowler in ’07
So technically he is a more recent Pro Bowler than #54
In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 11, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
My quibble...
is with the characterization of Harris as perennial, not recent pro-bowler. An alternate perspective would be to note that Urlacher did not play but a few minutes in 2009 and Harris played some 14 games and did not come remotely close to being considered for an alternate to the 3rd alternate of back-up DTs on the NFC pro-bowl squad! Lastly, I know you are not suggesting for a moment that Harris is anywhere near the career player that Urlacher is.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
nope
just stating the facts
In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 12, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I took away the same thing..
perennial????
"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"
-Mike Martz-
Alabama #1.
It feels so good to be on top(wait…. what?). Wright is saying and doing everything perfectly at this point. Really excited about his potential.
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Extract on Jim McMahon’s scrape with the media in New Orleans before Superbowl 20. I was amused by the bit where Ditka threatened to fine McMahon’s roommate Kurt Becker $1,000 if he let McMahon go on a(nother) late-night bender.
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