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Preseason 1: Bears at Chargers Quick Recap

Well, at least that's over with.

Not a great game by any standards. We'll have a more formal notes, scribbles, and jot-downs in the morning, but for some quick items about tonight's glorified practice against the Chargers, look here.

Quick Stats:

Jay Cutler 2/2, 47 Yards, 118.8 rating
Hanie 10/17, 148 yards, 1TD, 1 INT

Chicago Bears Running Backs: 17 carries, 32 yards, 1.9 YPC.  (Abysmal)

Star-divide

 

Johnny Knox 2 REC, 47 yards
Devin Aromashodu 4 REC, 78 yards, TD

Guy who showed he should probably be here: Major Wright.

# of Special Teamers that Dave Toub will murder in the meeting: most of them.

Notable Injuries (generally not severe): Knox, Hanie, Hillenmeyer, Wright

I will see all of you wonderful people in the morning. Have a good night and remember--it's one game that doesn't matter. We saw some flashes of good, and that's what they'll be building on for the next few weeks.

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Major Wright

Looks like he’s gonna be a monster at FS. Hopefully his finger is alright.

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by Acreman20 on Aug 14, 2010 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah

ok he made a couple mistakes but i liked the way he played. i guess he had 7 tackles.

by chiguy8506 on Aug 15, 2010 5:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Game 1 of the preseason is definitely no reason to get too worried....

I mean, the Lions were 4-0 in the preseason before going 0-16 in the regular season in ‘08. But the offensive line was really bad, and the defensive playcalling wasn’t exactly filling me with confidence.

But, the line does need some time to gel, and hopefully Marinelli is calling signals off in order to reveal little about the regular season game plan (I can hope, can’t I?) thus surprising the league with his masterful game-planning and playcalling.

So I, for one, will not be climbing onto the ledge anytime soon. But the game definitely gave us some things to be concerned about.

One note. While the running game looked horrid, the RBs did not. I though they looked decent to good, but had a lot to overcome with the line’s play )or lack thereof).

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 14, 2010 11:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you're right on target with your comments...

it’s too early to get overly excited either way.

Positives I took from the game:
1. Knox looked very good on his route running for the short time he was in.
2. First team D on a 3rd & 5 had all eleven within one yard of the line of scrimmage, no soft coverage for a change
3. Major Wright and Caleb Hanie had respectable performances
4. Robbie Gould is money to the point that I think we take him for granted
5. DA picked up where he left off

Negatives I took from the game:
1. Hester got knocked off his routes a couple of times pretty easily
2. Same general feeling that I’ve had during games with this team ever since the Super Bowl because the same issues were evident. Poor O-line, nonexistant running game, no pass rush to speak of, defense giving up big plays in key situations.

As I said, it’s too early to push any panic buttons or annoint any young players as HOF candidates but I was hoping for a different overall feeling from what we’ve become accustomed to, but it looked too much like the same old Bear team. I’m not that concerned with the poor kick coverage since the ST’s are filled with guys who won’t even be around in a few weeks and until that final roster is determined, we can’t expect Toub to perform miracles.

by BearFan611 on Aug 15, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

did it worry you at all too, that

Bell still gets good yards, while Forte does not?
why did that touchdown pass happen against us? thats what the cover-2 defends against
the O-line was atrocious…end of story.

but, Melton got decent line penetration and Major Wright is going to be a solid player for us.

but still, a lot of converting on 3rd down for opposing offenses still…troublesome

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 15, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have to remember that

most of the 3rd down conversions and points were given up by our 2nd and 3rd team defense; a couple guys which I didn’t even know about. Yes, the first unit did give up that touchdown on their 2nd drive, but overall they didn’t look bad.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 15, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bell still gets good yards, while Forte does not?

Forte – 4 carries, 7 yards
Taylor – 6 carries, 10 yards, 1 fumble
Bell – 6 carries, 12 yards

I’m not sure any of them qualifies as having made good yards.

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by Spongie on Aug 15, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

dang

i guess not, watching, it looked like bell found the holes a lot better

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 15, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

He looked like he had a good burst with the ball in his hands, I thought. Definitely hitting the holes (or maybe the guys coming in to tackle him) with energy.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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by Spongie on Aug 15, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Forte looked to have a pretty good burst in the limited ttime he was on the field, too.......

But it wasn’t exactly like he had a hole to hit. The Line is definitely my biggest worry, at this point. Is there a way to make jell-o set faster?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 15, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wolfe

1 carry 3 yards, slightly better than all of the other backs even though it’s one carry.

by DaHamsta on Aug 15, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

one carry makes it pretty much irrelevant

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 16, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

About the playcalling

Don’t the Bears (and most teams) usually just sit back and play man or zone with no real creativity in order to keep the playbook a secret?

by ChiTownSportsMaster on Aug 15, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lovie Smith hasn't seemed to learn any lessons from last year.

Last year, we added Cutler, and thus our starting QB had to learn a new offense. We didn’t really extend the first team offense in the pre-season, and they were not ready for the opener vs GB.

This year, Cutler and the entire offense is learning a new system… with a whole new coaching staff, and we gave Cutler one friggin series?

Way to prepare your team Lovie.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Aug 14, 2010 11:37 PM CDT reply actions  

One game is not the friggin point here.

Cutler got one friggin series? When they’re trying to learn a new system? WTF.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Aug 15, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was hit twice in 8 plays and the Chargers were blitzing a lot. I don’t buy Lovie’s postgame claim that they were only planning to give him one series all along, but the logic in pulling him in those circumstances seems reasonable.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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by Spongie on Aug 15, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rivera obviously was out to prove something

So I understand Lovie pulling Cutler early. What’s encouraging is you see what happens in a Martz offense when a opposing team fail to pressure with the blitz.

by Dominique Blanton on Aug 15, 2010 2:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

One game.

With the way the line was playing, do you really want cutler sitting back there? If the answer is yes, i question your intellegence

by suckmyditka on Aug 15, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's do or die for him this year.

The D was vanilla, didn’t pursue all that well. Left gaping holes in coverage, which made them look worse.

The O-Line was wretched, why is Tice here again?

What the hell happened to the kickoff coverage?

All I have to look forward to this year is that if they stink (again) at least Lovie should be gone. I thought he was supposed to be a defensive minded coach. Ever since the SB, our D has gone down the drain. Maybe we can hire Rivera back as a HC.

by AngryGiant on Aug 15, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really ??? Come on its .........

………the preseason , i repeat PRESEASON , so why get all hot and bothered . The D as a whole was simple as was the O you gotta give it time for these guys to gel .

DA and Know showed up , Cutler looked good in his only series , Hanie looks to be a capable backup and theres your upside , glass half full look . If they look bad in preseason week 3 that may be a cause for concern , but until then steady progress is good enough . We’ll look better in week 2 of the preseason and even better in week three so buck up there bud .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 15, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easy answer...

Hanie is not a legit backup…no way!!

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Aug 15, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hanie had an 82.5 QB rating.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 15, 2010 12:36 AM CDT reply actions  

He started off shaky

But I thought he finished pretty strongly.

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by Acreman20 on Aug 15, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hanie's performance proved what I've been saying all offseason

that he is not our answer at the back-up QB position. Anyone on here who can honestly say that they would be comfortable with him running the team if anything happened to Jay is out of their mind.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 15, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

So 82.5 isn't good enough?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 15, 2010 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Train did you get to watch the game ? If so .....

……. how’d Omiyale , Louis and Garza look ? I won’t be able to watch the game until tomorrow ( NFL network had it notched for 1AM EST but instead decided to just toss another game in that slot ) at like 10 .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 15, 2010 3:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was totally unimpressed with noth the first and second string lines, but.....

to be fair, the line is going to need some time to gel. But the run blocking was atrocious on all parts. I mean, it was bad, brother…..

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 15, 2010 4:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

almost every run we had was 2 yards

The longest carry was what, 8 yards? -I think Wolfe had a nice run for about 15, but it was pulled back because of an inelligible reveiver downfield.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 15, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a very lucky 82.5

It could have been a lot worse. he wasn’t sharp, not hitting guys in stride.

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 15, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many starting defensive players did he face?

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by lookingdeadred on Aug 15, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly..........

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 15, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

So basically the pro-Hanie crowd are happy

because he looked good playing with the other JV players?

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 16, 2010 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

And does that mean the anti-Hanie crowd.....

is angry because he didn’t perform poorly enough to prove them right?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 16, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many did most of the leagues backups face this week?

And how many starters were playing on his side of the ball? And how much time was the line giving him?

Was he perfect? Nope. But he did look like a decent option if Cutler goes down for a few games. He looked better than Manning’s backup with the Colts did, that’s for sure.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 15, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He looked adequate playing against other non-starters

no reason to get excited

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 16, 2010 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think I've been excited a backup very pften, so......

I’ve got to agree with you there. Really, I think Hanie did about as well as you would expect from a young backup learning a new and complicated system. I honestly cannot believe the backup QB to a durable starter is getting this much attention. As long as he isn’t playing like the Colts Painter and Brandstater, we’re doing about on par with the rest of the league at #2 QB….

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 16, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go watch the game again

and tell me that it’s ok because he had an 82.5 rating, and that’s mediocre at best anyway. I don’t care how “sufficient” his QB rating is, a performance like that against people trying to make a team will not win us any games. His decisions were poor, he lacks any “zip” on his passes, bumbled snaps, can’t throw a ball away (like Jay) and when the pocket collapsed he just threw the ball up for grabs on several occasions. That is ridiculous play out of someone who is suppose to be our back-up. The TD drive was saved because of penalties a few times and DA basically needed a flare gun to signal to Hanie that he was open, I mean the guy was flailing his arms wildly for a good 3 seconds before Hanie saw him and made the throw. It’s a big area for concern that I’ve been preaching since the offseason started and to me what Hanie did last night just proved my suspicions correct.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 15, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree.........

I thought he looked sharp after he knocked of the rust, and I’m not sure what you were watching, brother……

I’m not saying he looked like a starter, yet. But how many league backups look like starter? Isn’t there a reason they don’t have a starting job?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 15, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Many backups look like they can win games if they need to

and Hanie, to me, does not. I said during the off-season that he wasn’t a player that I would trust to come in and win us a game or two if we were in playoff contention or even “man-the-helm” if anything ever happened to Jay. Hanie needs to be ready at any moment to be the starter and he’s not ready. We’re trusting a undrafted QB who has barely any real game experience to be our #2, doesn’t anyone else find that laughable?

I realize it’s one game in the preseason but I didn’t think he was capable from the beginning to be a #2 and nothing he has done over the past 3 seasons or during last night’s game really turned my head and changed my opinion. He did avoid pressure decently well on occasion, I’ll give him that. I’m not trying to just simply hate on him, I want him to be capable of being the back up badly. I just don’t see it.

By the way brother, I wasn’t trying to talk “at” you so take it down a notch, Hollywood Hogan.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 15, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a question..

What do you want from him? Because other than him being Steve Young and having yourself a full blown QB controversy, he is what he is…A backup QB. I feel better with him coming in than an ancient Mark Brunell for the Jets or JT Sullivan for the Bengals.

What do you want the Bears to do? Beg Trent Green out of retirement? Give the job to Dante Culpepper? They went out and even spent a draft pick on a young QB so other than signing Mcown, which I’m not even sure is a better option, I think Hanie will suffice.

Yeah but it worked!

by Dils on Aug 15, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every Bears fan who hasn't just begun watching football

should appreciate the importance of an experienced back-up quarterback. Culpepper plays for the UFL and Green is retired so more like Garcia or McCown would sound good to me.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 16, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garcia is playing in the UFL, as well....

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 16, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think you were trying to talk at me, my friend.....

and I took no offense to anything you said. Since when is calling someone “brother” a negative thing? I always saw it as a sort of comradery, as in we are brothers in arms rooting for the Bears. That’s the way I saw it, anyways. Hope that clears it up.

BTW, I wonder what the Cowboys fans thought of them taking Tony Romo on as the Undrafted backup. Or the Rams and Kurt Warner, or Jake Delhomme and the Panthers. Or Jeff Garcia and the ’9ers. Or Warren Moon and the Oilers…………….

I’m not saying that Hanie is any of those guys. But could he be? And is the hyperbole surrounding the Bears chances if Hanie is called on similar to that which was heard in the cases of Warner, Moon, Garcia, Delhomme and Romo?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 15, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

For a 2 or 3 game stretch ....

….. I’d be fine with Hanie . For an extended period of time not so much .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 15, 2010 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hanie actually wasn't that bad.

I’m also pretty sure that the Colts and Patriots could have the same fears right? There are a lot of teams, if not most that are up a creek if their starting QB goes down. That’s just part of the game. Or would you rather have Denver’s QB roster? They’re pretty deep with experience and high draft talent. Nah didn’t think so. lol

Yeah but it worked!

by Dils on Aug 15, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Hanie

To be a back up behind this O line you had better be able to run well to get out of trouble. It is good thing that LeFevour can motor too. We may need him by week 3. I don’t think Trent Green would last too long behind this line. Who did you have in mind?

by weasel27 on Aug 15, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hanie looked good

considering he was playing with backups and running for his life.

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 15, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

playing against backups, too

at best he looked okay

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 16, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

We are very weak at backup QB

I thought Hanie’s arm strength was poor too many floaters out there to wide open receivers that could have got guys the ball in stride. He looked a bit better than he was due to the fact wr were WIDE open all night.

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 15, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

but again

the Packers have Matt Flynn as their backup so they are no better off.

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 15, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Matt Flynn = Craig Krenzel….

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 15, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has to work on his timing, yet. That is for sure, but....

For a guy getting his first experience in a Martz’s system, I was impressed, after he warmed up, anyways……..

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 15, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't bad, but

That one interception he threw just sent shudders down my spine, sparking memories from Jay last year.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 15, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not surprised the O-line looked bad (I haven't watched the game yet, but will tonight)

New faces in new places.

Its the pre-season, not gonna get worked up about it. Mostly because I haven’t a clue, as to how much Lovie & company put into a gameplan, for an exhibition.

The O-line should gradually show improvement. Thats what I’ll be looking for the next few games. If they do not begin to gel going into week one, then I’ll begin to worry (a little).

by rdent4hof on Aug 15, 2010 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

I haven’t a clue, as to how much Lovie & company put into a gameplan, for an exhibition.

I read somewhere, though I’m not sure if this applies to the OL as well, that Cutler said they hadn’t been working on any specific gameplan for the Chargers. We face 3 3-4 teams in the first 4 games of the season I believe, hope Tice is working on these guys…..

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 15, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

still have to put into into practice in the preseason

i want to believe that they had a plan going in…and it failed miserably. it seemed like the o-line had zero cohesion as a unit. i’m wondering if that was from line changes or a new offensive system. blocking is blocking but martz’s system is setup to utilize an extra blocker and manumaleuna was out. i will reserve my judgment of the o-line as a unit once i see them play together. he has experience in this system and i think that will be the key to the success or failure of the line. i know one person doesn’t make a line but it improves the unit as a whole.

by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Aug 15, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what I've been reading they never had a gameplan

And what the coaching staff will do is use all the footage from this game (specific coverages, blitzes, etc.) to better prepare everyone for our games coming up vs. the 3-4. (hopefully!) As far as I know, we have 7 games against this defense, which is nearly half our schedule >.< .

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 15, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Overall they get a C for last night in my opinion

I thought the biggest brigt spot last night was the offensive gameplan. There were guys open all over the field last night which is the opposite of Ron Turner. I thought looked good in his limited time and his best play was his third and long run for a couple of yards when he ate the ball instead of trying to throw it into coverage. 3 points is better then no points. Offensive line was awful especially Frank the gate and Louis was not too good. Kreutz missed a block as well. I take part of it with a grain of salt becuase Rivera was blitzing alot last not, I think the corners had 2 sacks pretty unusual for the preseason but it looked like a little sour grapes out of Rivera.. First string defens?? No pressure at all by the Dline, was Peppers playing?? did not look like it. Bowman torched and Harris looked a little slow out there. No need to panic but there is work to be done..

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 15, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Very good points.

The offense actually resembled something that would be used to score points with. Cutler looked good when he was on his feet and had time. I’m worried about the run game when it matters though, I saw a LOT of “one yard, two yard, stopped in the backfield” and it made me want to gag.

3-4 does a lot of blitzing but I was surprised at how much corner blitzing was being done in a preseason game. Forte’s normally good in blitz pickup, but I thought he looked pretty bad on the sack on Cutler.

by Steven Schweickert on Aug 15, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

No pressure at all by the Dline, was Peppers playing?? did not look like it.

Jeff Dickerson reported on this:

According to Peppers, he never faced two blockers Saturday night, instead San Diego made it a point for quarterback Phillip Rivers to quickly get rid of the football. “It seemed like before I could get two steps out of my stance, it seemed like he [Rivers] had already thrown the ball.” Expect many teams to employ that strategy against the Bears this year.

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"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 15, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not just this year

It’s been that way for awhile now. Well, since the SB if I remember correctly. Offensives will just dump it off until the Bears make an adjustment, then go over the top.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 15, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s ok, we’ve had stellar defensive coordinators who can adjust to whatever’s thrown at…

Oh. Never mind.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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by Spongie on Aug 15, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is exactly what I worried about...

because T Harris is a useless waste of space, all opposing teams will do all season is run and pass away from Peppers. Adams, Izzy and Melton looked good inside, Harrison, Harris, Anderson and Gilbert looked slow and/or pitifully overpowered. The d-line is what I had feared, just as bad as last season, possibly worse. I agree this is only one game, but the d-line looks like crap!

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by LostInSTL on Aug 15, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

arghhhh!

I know its preseason but can we please get tackling right? How many yards did the chargers get after being hit either by DB or LB? Wrap him up!! Also everybody knows the bears will only run up the middle so we got stuffed almost everytime we tried it! Where is the high powered, high flying Mike Martz offense we were sold this spring?

by waw950727 on Aug 15, 2010 9:24 AM CDT reply actions  

True

Especially Lance Briggs. He knows way better than to pounce like that. They could’ve trapped the chargers on their goal line, had he been a little more composed.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 15, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

One game or not

Many of those old problems were back last night. For the most part, i thought the defense played smart without a pass push. The offense however, was sickening to watch. That line looks just as bad as it was last year. Coaches need to start thinking of putting shaffer in just because of experience. Forte does not look quicker. The special teams looked short bus special, but it might not be a concern. Something tells me Hester is not healthy at all.

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by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 15, 2010 10:02 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

After watching the o-line last night, it kinda makes me wonder why we did nothing to upgrade the positions. The o-line was our achilles heel last year, and even though it was the first pre-season game, i didn’t see anything that would give me any confidence they can turn it around with the players they have one the line right now. Something has to be done.

by D.Hughes on Aug 15, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Top 5 things that I saw.......

Good things.

1. Major Wright looks like he belongs……7 tackles, if he wasn’t tackling he was around the ball…..

2.Knox and DA, they are no fluke……….Knox with his double move on man to man was just scary…..DA looked like a man among boys….

3.Joshua Moore….That’s right I said it.From what Iv seen, he was thrown at 3 times. Allowed 1 catch and the other 2 catches he almost/shouldof picked off……The 8 yard curl was in his hands……

4.It was just nice seeing Urlacher on the field…..

5.Dan Lefevour……It seemed like every good pass was dropped……….He needs to work on strength but great accuracy…..

the OMG things……

1.The O-line..Although in fairness it was the first preseason game…3 ppl at different positions…It will take time to jell…

2.We have to mix the defensive play calling.At least expand your play book from 1 play to 5…..I know that he doesn’t want to show the other team are plays, but it was just sad……

3.Bad D-line play…….

4.Injuries……I have never seen 3 white guys get injured in 1 football game……..

5.The touchdown we allowed……….It looked like last season all over again………

Is it me,or do the Packers really suck???

by I love football! on Aug 15, 2010 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

#4 LOL

Hanie and Hillenmeyer, who was the other one?

by weasel27 on Aug 15, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nevermind

I see Steltz got hurt. Of course I missed that because my Fox station thought I would rather see a Cops rerun than watch the first 8 minutes of the 1st quarter. : ( I will have to wait for the NFL network to reair at 9pm tonight.

by weasel27 on Aug 15, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

No excuses anymore!!

First pre-season game or not, Lovie better get our boys winning otherwise his ass is on the way out the door!!! Tired of seeing the same old problems!! Alls we want is a playoff team w the hopes to go to the big dance, Lovie and company can’t even evaluate talent for cryin out.

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by monsterman34 on Aug 15, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

My initial thoughts...

1. The D and O lines are awful and need a ton of work!

2. Lance Louis is out of position at G, he’s a RT and he will play the Frankie O role this season; Beekman was absolutely manhandled at the C position even against 2nd and 3rd string DTs/LBs.

3. Tommie Harris is done!

4. Peppers talent will be wasted because opposing offenses will simply run away from him and quick pass to negate his speed.

5. Major Wright was a good pick-up at safety; he’s the real deal.

6. Other then the line, the offense played well and seemed remarkably organized for implementing a new and complex system.

7. Hester runs much better routes, but he still does not get separation and is way too easily redirected.

8. DA and Knox should be the #1/#2 combo at WR; Hester is still not refined enough to be more than a #3 slot WR.

9. DJ Moore, Corey Graham, Josh Moore, Q Scott and Tim Jennings played well in the d-backfield; Bowman and C Harris looked disturbingly slow and out of position.

10. Pisa, if he remains healthy, will start at SLB. Shaw has speed and raw energy, he could be another Hilly with some development.

11. Adams, Melton and Izzy were the only positives on the d-line (Peppers excluded); Williams and Kreutz were the only positives on the o-line (thumbs sideways to Graza for playing out of position at LG).

Martz is the only coach who has his players ready and willing to play. Tice, Marinelli, and Lovie have a lot to answer for and a ton of work left to do in a shortening amount of time. It is the first pre-season game, but the main concerns going into this season do not appear to have been addressed. I’m not impressed so far, except for the offense. Get it together Lovie or just get out!

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by LostInSTL on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't see how anyone can complain about the pass rush

when it’s obvious Norv game plan to help his young inexperience tackles out with quick passes. Too add, I didn’t see the game (catching the re-air on nfl network tonight) but when they show the TD pass by Rivers it clearly look like they were in Cover-2 which means the blame is squarely put on Harris for allowing that TD not Bowman.

by Dominique Blanton on Aug 15, 2010 1:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am not too worried about the Bear's team game...

but when you watch the re-air look at the push of the D- and O-line, it was underwhelming especially considering the Chargers were missing 2 O-line starters, and the D was missing at least one starting LB. I don’t care that Bowman gave up a TD in the game, but he seemed to be a step slow in general; so did C Harris. Marinelli and Tice have a lot of work to do in a short time. The offense, 1st and 2nd string, (aside from the o-line) looked damn good!

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by LostInSTL on Aug 15, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No it's not

The blame goes on both players. Yeah, Harris should have been over the top sooner, but Bowman is still in man to man coverage and got beat.

by D.Hughes on Aug 16, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, come off the ledge

our starters played a quarter in the first preseason game..

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by tfrabotta on Aug 15, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see your point...

but what worries me is these issues existed last season and we all knew them and they don’t seem to have been addressed to any degree. T Harris will end up being Lovie’s downfall. As you say, it’s early in the preseason and there is hope for this offense (line play excluded). The defense is scary bad at this point and it’s the unit that’s gotten the biggest infusion of talent and has the least amount of scheme/personnel changes. Let’s hope they were just a little rusty!

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by LostInSTL on Aug 16, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let’s hope they were just a little lot rusty!

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by Spongie on Aug 16, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I had to judge by what I saw in the first quarter

I would be inclined to say 8-8 on the year. But I am willing to give them some time. I do have serious concerns over the defense though. They did play a very vanilla scheme and rarely blitzed or tried to create any confusion. I am not as down on Tommie Harris as you are and am hopefule that this is finally the year he turns it around. I have to believe it is his last chance or he will come back awfully cheap..

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by tfrabotta on Aug 17, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought

Our recievers looked awesome.
Considering we don’t have a “legit number 1”
BULLSHIT

Knox was tearing them up

by suckmyditka on Aug 15, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Aromashadu should be our #1.

Knox and DA should be our top two starting receivers no matter what…rite!!

Walter Payton lives on!!!

by monsterman34 on Aug 15, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

you’re right. hester with his speed and change of dir. ability should be primed for the slot and nickelbacks and DA & Knox will be better outside with bennet backing them up. I don’t understand the fact that your best O lineman for the past 4 seasons was moved out of his position for a second year guy who hasn’t played and Asiata who was with the first team was out with another unit. I hope it was just the first game trying to get a feel for the whole offense. Cutler’s playing time doesn’t worry me since it’s the first game but if he plays less than 3 series in game 3 i’m gonna be pissed! I know special teams will be good cause the toub is there but the lines better get working or they will need to find work next season.

PS: Can we please let Anthony Adams keep his position cause i’m tired of potential stealing jobs that belong to production. He is always involved in the middle of things and always gets pushed out when harrison or harris show the “potential” to have a breakout year! Peace.

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by borikua79 on Aug 15, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

It benefits him a whole lot cause you’re going against the #3 CB in a spot on the field that mismatches created can spell doom for the defensive team. They line up and if the defense is not right it can be hester hester on one side against the nickel or LB and Olsen on the other side him being a mismatch for LB’s and knox and DA outside. Hester in a Welker-like role with his speed, explosion and run after catch ability is a ticking bomb on every series. I like the advantages we could have if the coaches place the pieces accordingly to the system so they can max it out. anyway I wouldn’t mind it cause we have good, quick receivers 1-4 and if Iglesias gets into the mix it’s even better!

Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!

by borikua79 on Aug 15, 2010 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I think...

It benefits him a whole lot cause you’re going against the #3 CB in a spot on the field that mismatches created can spell doom for the defensive team. They line up and if the defense is not right it can be hester hester on one side against the nickel or LB and Olsen on the other side him being a mismatch for LB’s and knox and DA outside. Hester in a Welker-like role with his speed, explosion and run after catch ability is a ticking bomb on every series. I like the advantages we could have if the coaches place the pieces accordingly to the system so they can max it out. anyway I wouldn’t mind it cause we have good, quick receivers 1-4 and if Iglesias gets into the mix it’s even better!

Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!

by borikua79 on Aug 15, 2010 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

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