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The Bears Den: August 23, 2010

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...where we think that 4 HCs and plenty of Pro Bowl talent should equal wins.

The team's official page reviews preseason game #2

Pat Mannelly's awesomeness should not be taken for granted.

A quick review of the injuries; Urlacher says he'll be fine.

An irritated Olin Kreutz give a post game interview about the OL.

David Haugh says something on the defense looks broken.

Follow WCG on Twitter!

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Apparently, the safeties had a rough Saturday night as well.

Dan Pompei takes a closer look at the roster situation.

View From the Moon: Insights from John Mullin

USA Today's most current Team Report.  Good stuff.

A review of the NFC North's Preaseason Week 2.

Defense must improve on 3rd and long... just like last year?

A potential lockout could earn Lovie Smith an extra year.

Rick Telander says Urlacher is getting old.

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If Lovie is concerned being down 10-0 and that is a “big hole to climb out of”, against one of the lesser teams in the league, we are really f-ed this year.

by TheMan1 on Aug 23, 2010 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

I think he was saying he was concerned about the effort and focus

Which didn’t seem to be there early on.

With this being a team (Raiders) that is “incomplete” from so many perspectives, the Bears 1st string should have smelled the blood in the water and been more confident as-a-whole int heir approach. The OL looked timid and out of sync and the receivers were getting pushed around off the line (as I thought would happen given last weeks spark from Knox and Aromashodu).

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many years have we been saying the same thing about this team?

This is not a new situation with Lovie Smith teams. They are not prepared or ready at the beginning of games even in the regular season. Again, it’s a lack of accountability and no sense of urgency which stems from the head coach. They always “have a lot of football still to play” so who cares about coming out fired up. I don’t see this changing under this regime.

The most disappointing story in the Den today was the one about the CBA situation and the fact that a lockout could keep Lovie here for another year no matter what their record is. What a classic “McCaskey” situation that will be. They put themselves into unwinnable situations.

by BearFan611 on Aug 23, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is very true

a huge mentality of ‘’oh well, we’ll catch up anyways’’

and then the season is over and it’s ‘’we did some good things though, to build on for next year’’

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 23, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is what concerns me...

http://www.freep.com/article/20100822/SPORTS01/8220655/1049/rss14

… I’m bracing myself for it. Especially given what we saw this Saturday.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

Completely. These guys are underrated.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Aug 23, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It'll be a shoot out if the defense doesn't get any better

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 24, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rick Telander's quote...on point about Urlacher/Briggs hitting Miller
Linebacker nastiness

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 23, 2010 8:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Did Hester give Manning some speech classes this off-season?
“The coaches got to a job to do, too, and that’s why we have the preseason,’’ Manning said.
I don’t trip on that.
“That just me keeping my eyes on my man,’’

by TheMan1 on Aug 23, 2010 8:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Learn English

Sorry yo, beez learninz da’ lang. properz like yo.

by TheMan1 on Aug 23, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you're a teenager...

You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes.

by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 23, 2010 8:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not certain that this line of commenting

is coming from anywhere productive, nor is it likely to be going anywhere productive.

by Dane Noble on Aug 23, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

good jorb ref

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 23, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dane...

Can I please say it…

It’s killing me on this one

Lol

by suckmyditka on Aug 23, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're doing good so far...

the first couple of days in recovery are always the hardest. Just isolate yourself for the next 48 hours, and then come back to us. The urge will be gone, and the nerves will be good.

by Dane Noble on Aug 23, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not cool bruh.

Not cool.

by suckmyditka on Aug 23, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tommie H looked Good

I finally got to watch the game on replay yesterday. I was surprised to see the Raiders doubling Tommie Harris on almost every pass play. He was rushing hard and got some pressure even against the double-team. Looked like he was playing fast and healthy, at least against the pass.

But the linebackers and safeties looked clueless. Screen passes, runs up the middle, quick slants — it looked like the defense had no middle layer at all.

by Shuffle85 on Aug 23, 2010 8:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah but....

Matt Toeaina looked waaay better. And this isn’t in response to you but just in general…. when ISN’T Olin Kreutz irritated? And why in the hell is Danieal Manning even playing safety? He looked the worst in that secondary?

by frenchbears113 on Aug 23, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Daniel Manning should be on another team

give him a chance at a career…because here we keep holding him back

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 23, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let him stay at Nickel and KR,

and keep coaching and developing him as a FS. He’s not ready for FS yet, but he may be one day. But for now, NB and KR is his place on this team.

by Dane Noble on Aug 23, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

This ^

He was burnt on a couple plays and he missed a sure tackle in the 2nd period.

I think that even with all of his athleticism and speed— he just doesn’t have the “smarts” for the FS/SS position.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree with you both but...

I side with Dane only about letting him stay at Nickel and as a Kick Returner

by frenchbears113 on Aug 23, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't we have like 3 other guys waiting for a shot to play NB

who haven’t blown it yet? and knox and hester are just fine at PR/KR

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 23, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everything looked good on that line.

Toeina, harrison, and izzy played great in the rotation.

You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes.

by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 23, 2010 9:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I thought Izzy stood out

I wonder if he’s distancing himself from Anderson

In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 23, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

couple things i know

teams throw screens when you are getting pressure, so something was working, but not our LBs/Secondary, mostly secondar.

I also saw Harris get routinely double teamed, which i liked.
what I dont like is that Manning is still a safety(hopefully it’s Wright/FS and Harris/SS come season start)

and Mark Anderson…holy crap, give it up, dude can sure as hell point out a false start, now if only he had that kind of jump on a regular play…. swap him with Izzy

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 23, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wooton

Swap him with Wooton. Izzey can spell Wooton.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Izzy is superior to Wootton in EVERY aspect of football.

Izzy should be the starter. MA is the sit rusher. Wootton gets a couple of snaps a week, that’s it.

by Mike Mueller on Aug 23, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like Izzey! That's not my point.

I think Izzey is the more complete lineman, but as far as pass rusher— Its Wooton.

His speed off the edge is far better, but his “moves” off the snap are limited. He needs more reps and more instruction, but I see him being a quality lineman with more practice.

What I was saying is that Wooton should get some of those snaps (Anderson’s snaps) between now and week 1 and see if he can be the next lineman to replace Mark Anderson who is in the last year of his contract with the team.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree

i think the whole package of Mark Anderson and Manning ‘’did some good things’’ is done, cut ‘em loose. let’s see what wooten/izzy got

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 23, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we call Wooten and Izzy

Woozy?

If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 23, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding!

In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 23, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

True That

If Tommie is finally back to drawing double-teams, and if Matt T is coming on strong, then we’ve GOT to get some action from the D-end who is not named Peppers.

by Shuffle85 on Aug 23, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Toeaina...

outplayed T Harris. Tommie cannot shed even single team blocks. He relies on his speed, which is failing these days even after his return to health. Tommie gets pushed around way too easily to be effective. Harrison and Adams, when they were lined up at 3-tech., were much more effective against single and double teams. Most of the “big” plays (third and longs) that were successful for the Raiders were when Harris was on the D-line. IMO, I noticed when Tommie was out, the D-line played better. Tommie always seems to be trailing after the play yards behind being of any use to the defense; even when the play is run in his direction. Maybe Tommie is just saving himself for the regular season…

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Aug 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Toeaina was also going against 2nd team

I thought Tommie got pressure on the QB, but Campbell was always able to get the ball off to a hot receiver or dump on a screen.

It’s the secondary where the problem lurks and the inability of the safety to come up and make the plays necessary to stop drives such as the 3rd and 17 that went successfully on a screen.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Toeaina had reps...

against the starters for Oakland just like Tommie. However, you are correct about the safety play, just atrocious! Truthfully, you and I should not be debating that Toeaina and Harris are in the same league, but yet here we are. I think that says more about Tommie than Matt. This is going to be a long season…idn it!

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Aug 23, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it goes ANYTHING like the first two pre season games have

My liver is going to be screwed by the end of the season.

WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!

by Acreman20 on Aug 23, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Liver?!?...
My liver is going to be screwed by the end of the season preseason!.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Aug 23, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its already messed up from a life of being a Cubs and Bears fan...

I’m amazed my kidneys haven’t shut down completely….

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Aug 23, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Williams

The “cons” on Williams coming out of the draft was that he played “too high” out of th snap. That seems to be the same problem with him this year as well. Wimbley COMPLETEY embarassed him in 2 Qtrs of play and that really through the line into a disarray as they had to help/double/chip on a lot of occassions. You can’t have your LT receiving THAT much help on a player like Wimbley. Maybe a Jared Allen…

… But, not a Wimbley!?

The line needed Williams to be able to “hold his own” and he couldn’t. That’s the disappointing part of Saturday’s display and I think the kink"in the chain for the OL’s performance.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

He had a bad night...

I hope that’s all it was

In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 23, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I do too.

But, if I was a scout for an opposing team, there was a lot of glaring inefficiencies there.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Allen

I remember CW owning him at Soldiers last season. I wouldn’t put too much stock into one bad game that didn’t count. If we see it versus the Lions, then we’ll have a serious issue.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 23, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

But, 5 sacks???

That’s nothing to take lightly.

Some of them were just Wimbley BLOWING past him.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

but everyone has bad games. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt, since everyone across the line is learning a new blocking scheme.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 23, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

4

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 24, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was technique though

It’s correctable, but— still— unacceptable!

(Cutler agrees!)

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 24, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Admittedly Wimbley is a first-round pick too, so he has some talent (he had 11 sacks in his rookie season?), but I suspect teams will be gameplanning to attack the left side of our pass defense with speedy LB blitzes instead of DEs in case Williams really does have trouble handling them.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
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by Spongie on Aug 24, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pompeii has an interesting take on Williams.

1. Being beaten so regularly by Peppers in training might have shaken his confidence.

2. “A pro scout source said Williams looked like he still was trying to figure out playing on the left side after moving over from the right last year. Because of the switch, he said, Williams should almost be looked at as a first-year starter for the second straight year.”

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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by Spongie on Aug 24, 2010 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Danieal Manning is not ready!

I was looking for his performance SPECIFICALLY on Saturday and he failed HORRIBLY!

He looked out of sync and got beat twice going deep. In a C2, the QB reads the FS and makes his plays accordingly. Manning just looks lost at times.

It’s gotta be Harris and Wright going into week 1.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

+56465352412

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 23, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couple things I noticed when watching the game on replay last night

Tommie and Pep were both getting double teamed like crazy, and they still made plays. On that big screen play on third down in the first quarter Tommy actually almost made the tackle and his hustle almost snuffed out the whole play. Thats what i want to see from him. Toeina and Izzy played well also, i think the defensive line played well as a whole.

I know people were giving the secondary a lot of crap but where were the linebackers? Yeah Briggs and Pisa had some tackles sure, but i just didn’t see any domination from them all game long…almost like they wern’t even on the field.

Cdub, I am still chalking that up to an anomaly, his footwork just looked like he was dragging in sand, I can’t recall the last time i saw his footwork so slow.

I really liked the blocking from everyone in general on the O-line. They seemed to really come together on some of those run plays.

Maybe it’s just the optimism in me, but i think we will iron out the kinks before week 1.

by Chitownproduct on Aug 23, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd still prefer Alex Brown out there on an end

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Aug 23, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you watch the second half?

How was Wolfe compared to Bell, be honest.

by DaHamsta on Aug 23, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honest?

They both seem to underperform with the play of the second string OL, they looked horrible (o-line, not neccesarily the RBs).

Bell does hit the hole hard though, which is what i like from him. Wolfe in my opinion just doesn’t look confident when trying to find holes, he is always looking to bounce outside in that games it seems but he got wrapped up with little effort. He also dropped a pass that would of helped poor ol Leflevour out lol, man he took a beating.

by Chitownproduct on Aug 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haugh Quote: "Not a big fan of Haugh, but this is a scary thought..."
Outside of Peppers, nobody made a consistent impact. The Raiders’ No. 1 offense converted 5 of 10 third downs behind quarterback Jason Campbell. What will Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo do?

I’m fully aware that this is just preseason and I’m glad that these problems are coming out now rather than a couple weeks from now against Detroit.

But, man… The way the Raiders were able to take the aggression of the Bears front 4 and use it against them on screens and draw-runs speaks volumes to the stubbornness of the Bears coaching/gameplanning.

I don’t think it would have been much of a problem if the secondary was “proven” to be better…

… But, it’s not.

And hasn’t been for a LONG time.

I really hope that the Bears coaching staff is doing this because they are assessing players ability rather than the “system” itself. Because that game showed that there are some huge flaws and inefficiencies throughout.

Player-wise? There was certainly some pluses (Peppers, Harris, Chris Harris, Harrison, Urlacher) and I think that’s encouraging. But, that other defensive end has to be addressed. Manning is not there and I think he has to be dangled as trade bait by week 6

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Line play

Mark Anderson is a ghost — in that he is virtually invisible when you watch the game. How the hell does he start over Idonije!?!?

I’ve been down on Tommie Harris for a couple of years now, but I’ve gotta say he is looking considerably faster than in the past. Plus, he seems to be giving good effort.

Chris Williams – shuts down Jared Allen, and then gets dominated by somebody I’ve never heard of. What an inigma! Hopefully that was a 1-time freak occurance (against the Raiders – not against Allen).

by MakeHalasProud on Aug 23, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions  

The problem is...

T Harris has to play great for it to make any difference. Just good effort isn’t good enough with this defensive scheme. Let’s all hope Tommie is just getting his legs back and will play like he did in 2004-2006.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Aug 23, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree 110%

Now way Mark Anderson should start over Izzy this year, no way.

by Chitownproduct on Aug 23, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1...

Give that man a cigar!

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Aug 23, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Todd Collins signed...

1 year deal to be a stable backup. Collins has proven to be capable of handling the reins as more than just a “mop-up” QB in the last 10 min of a blowout. I was hoping Garcia had designs on playing in Chicago, but Collins is a solid move.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Aug 23, 2010 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Collins

Yes, like the Collins move too….honestly, this should have been done 6 months ago…but hopefully he gets in to one of the 2 games left here. There was a game we played in 07 @ WSH and he really impressed me coming in after Campbell was injured.

by walterfan34 on Aug 23, 2010 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I really wish we had that WSH game back

:(

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 23, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Safeties

I really wished the Bears didn’t sign Manu, and instead used those funds for OJ. Ugh…another year of below average safety play will drive me to heavier drinking!

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 23, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

be honest

can you drink any heavier? last year was some serious bottom of the bottle-ing it

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 23, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

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