Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Knicks Beat Lakers With Familiar Strategy

Chicago Bears vs Arizona Cardinals Recap

Well.  Um. O.K.  This is what I have.  We played a football game tonight.  By we, I mean the Chicago Bears.  Just to be clear.  The team took the field. No, really they did.  Then some things happened.  Then the Bears lose at home (again) 14-9.  Then it was over.  Much like our hopes for this season.  O.K. not quite that bad, but close.

Star-divide

Total net yards were 339 (Ari) to 292 (Chi)  Not too bad overall until you consider that Anderson went  7 of 12 for 94 yds AND a td against the Bears #1 defense.  You know, THAT Derrick Anderson.  Hightower carried the ball 8 times for 62 yds or an average of 7.8 ypc.   The Bears gave up way too many 3rd down conversions (53%).   Jay Cutler actually completed 50% of his passes in spite of being sacked 14 4 times facing Arizona's vaunted pass rush while throwing 2 picks.  So far we're giving up far more sacks than we're causing in spite of Marinelli AND Tice being Lovie's proclaimed gurus.  Robbie Gould missed 2 FG attempts.  One blocked, and one ....?   We (by we, I mean the Bears  "backup" running back Chester Taylor) ran the ball well, gaining 36 yds on 5 carries.  Dan LeFevour lit it up by scoring the only Bears touchdown of the preseason game. And Leinart went 9-10 while Lance Briggs left the game with a sprained ankle.  Brian Urlacher better step it up HUGELY or we're in for an interesting ("ahem")  year.  That's it at a glance.  Dig in.

Comment 325 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Third down defense is scary bad

How many times in a half can a defense be allowed to give up 3rd & 7+ before it is fair to be described as “expansion-like?”

It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??

by Invalid User on Aug 28, 2010 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Good point!

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hello

Is it me or has Chris Harris looked really bad? I think when Healthy Major Wright along with Danieal Manning should be our starting safeties.

by Dozjah on Aug 29, 2010 11:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

Even though DMS isn’t as instinctive as Harris, he’s certainly a better tackler and has the speed/range over him. I’d rather have the skill and ability over smarts any day of the week.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't he miss a lot versus the Cards?

At least Manning forced a fumble. If I’m not mistaken, C. Harris was one of the worst at missing tackles last season for Carolina.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 30, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Danieal needs to man the Nickle

allowing Chris to lay the wood at SS and Major to roam as FS. I agree that Chris hasn’t looked great but if Major was healthy he wouldn’t be playing FS. According to the grapevine, everything I have just pushed will be the starting line-up when Major is ready to rock and I think that will eventually pan out to be successful.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 29, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't impressed with C. Harris either though. You?

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are being kind sir..

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 29, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

To say the least.........

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

*clears throat*

…Im still shaking my head. That punch tastes a bit sour, doesn’t it?

by Gnice1 on Aug 28, 2010 11:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Fucking pathetic.

Chris Harris should be banned for that.

You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes.

by ifuwannacrownem on Aug 28, 2010 11:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

LOL

"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama

by BL3ACH on Aug 29, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back burner hesitations

have been pulled to front-burner concerns.

It just seems like the team as a whole hasn’t made enough improvement, on either side of the ball, to realistically be considered a playoff or Super Bowl contender.

But then again, it is just the preseason, right?

by CubsFan87 on Aug 28, 2010 11:56 PM CDT reply actions  

You are just realizing that they suck now?

The writing has been on the wall for awhile.

by 815Sox on Aug 29, 2010 9:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Secondary & Coaching Problems

If Matt Leinart and Derrick Anderson look like superstars against this secondary how will Favre, Rodgers, and Stafford look? The d-line looks like it’s getting good pressure on the QB, but a receiver is always open because the secondary sucks.

And once again the Bears come out and look unprepared. How many times did this seem to happen last year? This coaching staff can’t do their jobs.

by beardwnbacon on Aug 29, 2010 12:09 AM CDT reply actions  

As I drink...

I noticed this time a different expression on Lovies face. Heading to the locker room he went from the typical dumb founded look to a pissed off look. Does this mean he might raise his face at in the locker room?

by chitown6shooter on Aug 29, 2010 12:10 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Wow i'm speechless

This was just a horrific performance. I’m sick of people trying to find excuses for this team. “Oh it’s just the preseason” is not acceptable for this type of performance. After the 3rd preseason game this team should have shown that they were indeed what they said they’ve been all along, a good football team. But after these 3 games it’s clear that this team is utter garbage and it’s not fair to Bears fans who continue to wait for the great football team that the coaches say we have. I will continue to root for the team I love but damn if it doesn’t kill me to see how far this team has fallen and to constantly hear the excuses management has for their inept performances. This can be a great team if they had better coaching. Hopefully Lovie and his entire staff get fired at the end of the year so that this team can bring in competent coaches and finally deliver a team we fans have been waiting for ever. Bear Down!

by frenchbears113 on Aug 29, 2010 12:17 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I'm not so sure at this point
This can be a great team if they had better coaching.

Their personnel has been hyped up for awhile now with mediocre results. Maybe it’s Angelo and his team.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would agree with that sentiment.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 29, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't.......

Mostly because I find it funny how many players the Bears have brought in who were decent to very good who have looked worse to awful, such as Chris Harris, Jay Cutler and Muhisin Muhammad, for starters. I can think of all of 3 players who were brought in who lived up to their previous performances or were better: Ruben Brown, Thomas Jones (who was considered a 7th overall pick bust when he got here) and DA (who was bouncing around the league as an afterthought (you could maybe include John Tait as a 4th, and I think that’s debatable) . Couple that with the number of players who blossomed into better players after leaving Chicago, like Bobby Wade, Justin Gage, Tony Parrish, Cedric Benson, Tank Johnson, Marc Columbo, Mike Gandy and Kyle Orton, and you get a serious problem with coaching and development.

I don’t absolve Angelo of his own mistakes (neglecting the O-line being the biggest of them, along with trading TJ for nothing, Orlando Pace, Adam Archuletta, though Adam and the trading of Chris Harris was as much, if not more, Lovie’s idea than Jerry’s, but still……), and there have been many……oh, so very many….ouch….:(. But I digress. Angelo has certainly provided plenty of talent for the roster, especially on the defensive side of the ball. It was not Angelo who has played musical linemen with guys like Beekman, Omiyale, Gandy, Garza, Martin, Louis and more. That was Smith. It was not Angelo that has started so many different QBs instead of developing players. It was not Angelo who has started so many different Safeties in such a short tenure. DMS was thought up by Smith, not Angelo.

Manning is really the epitome of what Smith and Co have done. It seems to me that Smith has zero patience for such a overly calm guy. How was an athlete who came into the league with superior (even for the NFL) athleticism not allowed to develop in a single position? Impatience and arrogance, that’s how. How many players can you name in this league who have played 5 different positions and done well? The constant shuffling of Danieal Manning is just the tip of the iceberg for the Bears Coach That Gets Off The Bus Running Poorly. Devin Hester’s move to WR from Corner (agree with the move or not), Rashied Davis’s similar move (also started out as a corner, remember) The musical chairs edition of entire Truly Offensive Line minus Kruetz, Corey Graham’s failed move to safety, Izzy at DT and DE, Chris Harris at FS, and now the thought of moving Gilbert to offense are all indicators of an arrogant coach who is thinking himself out of a job and thinking Chicago’s next coach into a whole.

I honestly think that the biggest problem this team has had since Rivera left is a complete and total lack of coaching and development by Lovie and the Yesmen (There’s a OSS idea for you, Smudgers. Lovie on lead vocals with Babich, Turner and Marinelli on the bass drums and guitar). We know Martz is no yes-man, and will speak his mind. So hopefully the offensie will sort out the growing pains and improve. But I’m more and more concerned with a defense that I doubt will change much from what it has been since Rivera left. Marinelli is looking more and more like Lambchop to Lovie’s Shari Lewis. For Hot Rod’s sake, I hope Lovie has small hands…………….

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I would... ;P

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 30, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lovie has made some mistakes

but many people/analysts would question how much talent this team really has. It’s been a combination of the two that has led this team to dire straits.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 30, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok, but.....

Urlacher, Briggs, Peppers, Tinoisamoa, Tillman, Chris Harris, Tommie Harris, Kruetz, Garza, Hester, Knox, Bennett, Forte, Taylor, Olsen, Clark, and Cutler are all players who have proven that they can ball. These are not low quality players. Add in DA, Bowman, Major Wright, Nick Roach, Anthony Adams, Chris Williams and Danieal Manning, who are all players that most of us agree are at least decent, though misused or poorly developed or still proving themselves and you have a lot of quality players. You also have a lot of players left that are questionable, but every team does. The real strength of a team is in development of those players. We don’t have that……….

I don’t have a whole lot of problems with Angelo’s drafted talent. I have a much bigger issue with his position priorities in the draft.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Need more than that to win

At this point, the only elite players are Peppers and Briggs. Olsen is on the cusp; CW and Bowman still need to play with plenty more consistency to be considered “ballers.” Garza, Tillman, Urlacher (he’s still good), Clark, both Harris guys are old or not aging very well at this point. Cutler has all the skills but hasn’t put it all together yet. I’ve always had a man-crush on DMS, and Roach is a solid SAM.

With all that said, it all adds up to an average, middle of the road team. That’s at least until Cutler and one secondary member reach another level of play.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 30, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have a man-crush on a syndrome? o_O

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 31, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Besides Pepp he was the best defender on Sat

Unlike C. Harris, he made several good tackles including a FF.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 31, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was just yanking your chain after you wrote DMS when you meant DM :-D

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 31, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

I always refer to him as DMS now because of his reputation of inconsistency at muliple positons :)

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Sep 1, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, and TLAs (three-letter acronyms) always seem to roll off the tongue better than two letters. I’m converting to DMS!

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Sep 2, 2010 5:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that Lovie is the problem

Rather than Angelo and should therefore receive a greater portion of the blame.

by DaHamsta on Aug 30, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK now I'm a little nervous . The ....

….. O-line ( from everything I’ve read ) was off again , the D couldn’t get off the field , our O as a whole did nothing and Lance Briggs went down . The only bright spots I’ve seen were Peppers ( it looks like we may have gotten a great DE ) and the running combo of Forte and Taylor . I think on D Briggs and Urlacher being out hurt , but how much ? Both them being there ain’t gonna help our good bud Chris Harris make those tackles he missed . On O can you blame Jay Cutler for being a bit gun shy after getting smashed by the Raiders and having to run for his life in this game ? His first two preseason games he looked solid , but tonight he looked rattled due to all the pressure he was facing because lets just be honest here , our O-line looks to suck ( TRADE FOR MANKINS NOW !!!!!! ) . Our D has to big excuses tonight ( Briggs and Lach not being there ) , but our O was fully intact and looked horrid ( like I said from everything I’ve read ) . Lovie better get his ducks in a row and get this team going or I hate to say it hes gonna be gone by week 5 .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 29, 2010 12:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Jay is to blame too.

He quite enjoyed throwing like a spaz and I loved him just lobbing up a ball for a pick like last season when he just needs something to happen. The whole team sucked balls, no room for discussion there. I don’t want any excuses and hearing Jay make excuses during an in-game interview made me want to puke. Why not instead of saying “we need to clean things up” or “we’re still learning a new offense” maybe try “this isn’t acceptable, period” or “I’m going to bust my ass to make sure this shit doesn’t happen again.” The team looks like they don’t buy into this system anymore defensively and it’s showing on the field. We need these guys to wake up now.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 29, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed Polish , Agreed .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 29, 2010 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

If JA and friends were serious about getting us some o-line help

They would’ve have made their move at least 3-4 months ago. Obviously they didn’t see a sense of urgency there, and now we’re paying the price.

by JimmyMack on Aug 29, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been holding off saying this all last season and this pre-season

but where is the accuracy we all heard about from Cutler? I realize when he’s running for his life, the lack of accuracy isn’t his fault, but since he’s been here it’s rare he hits anyone in stride even when he has time. That’s one reason I was never sure he’d be a good fit in the Martz system. Look at the guys who were successful, Warner, Bulger, Trent Green, they don’t have the cannon that Jay has but their receivers were rarely reaching behind or jumping up for the ball. I don’t care if you have Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, and Brandon Marshall on your team, if they are constantly having to stop to make the catch or jump into the air to bring it down, they’ll never have great production.

I’m willing to wait until we see our O-line have a solid game and judge him again at that point to be fair, but he has to step up and be the player we were promised no matter what those around him do. I’m not saying he’ll win it by himself but he has to make those players better.

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

It sure looks as if

Marshall made Cutler look good. I’m starting to change my tune from last season.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point!

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

What about Eddie Royal?

One receiver does not a quarterback make

by wennington4 on Aug 29, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Moss and Culpepper

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 29, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair......

Inury had a lot to do with Culpeppers fall. What about Moss in Oakland? Kerry Collins certainly didn’t look good, and neither did Moss…….

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marshall was on the blocks this offseason

We could have gotten him with a little creative wheeling and dealing. But alas Hester is going to the pro bowl this year, right?

White Sox fans need not apply.

by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Aug 29, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was awful last night no doubt

But I thought his accuracy was pretty good in the first 2 games. I don’t jnow what the hell that was last night. Very Bad..

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 29, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't brutal in the first two but still too many times where the ball was on the back shoulder or hip

and the receiver had to break stride. Also, the second completion to Knox in the 1st game (and Jay only had 2 passes) was very high and Knox had to go high in the air to make the catch.

They were accurate enough for a completion but the yards after catch, which Martz’ offense especially relies on, are drastically reduced. Again, let’s wait until the o-line has a couple of consistent games before we pass judgement, but since he’s been a Bear he hasn’t proven to be what I would call an accurate passer. Hopefully, he’ll get some time in the regular season to show he can be.

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

We knew Peppers was gonna be good

He’s a freak, and he’s going to draw chips and double teams all year. The problem is safety (Chris Harris, in particular) and the O-line. We all knew the O-line was probably going to be shaky, again. The problem is, we didn’t really make any effort to address it in the off-season.

Tice can obviously only do so much with what he has to work with…

by JimmyMack on Aug 29, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Harris.....

Should be fine (hopefully) when he gats into normal game situations, and he’s playing his natural SS position. Lets not let one bad game down us on someone like Harris (who, if you remember is known for tackling).

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I want to catch the replay but from stats and everyones analysis's

it looks like the same old story and its really starting to frustrate. The one thing that REALLY and i mean REALLY bothered me this offseason was that the offensive line was a glaring weakness last year yet we dont sign a new lineman that would be an upgrade? To add to my pal Midway’s point i really think the bears need to explore the Logan Mankins possibility if there is one. Looks like Jay did throw some bad balls but seriously? 8 sacks in the last two games? HE HASNT EVEN PLAYED THE WHOLE DAMN GAME WTF!!!!??!!?

The defense is really bothering me as well because a Larry Fitzgerald less WR core was able to put in some serious work on them. The defense obviously need’s Urlacher and Briggs back but dont forget Major Wright he is a solid tackler and a downright animal and he need someone like that on defense too remind our guys its ok to kick the opposing teams ass on a tackle.

No more its only preseason BS this game is your showcase for the regular season and the Bears are not looking real good at all. Lets just hope we dont go 0-4 or let the poor pre season play carry into the regular season. Hopefully we pick up on our 2 game winning streak from last year.

It looks like Dan the man Lefevour had decent game tonight atleast the offense had something we good could go on.

by Bear Lovin 21 on Aug 29, 2010 4:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Guys

Can you say 4-12?

Overall, we are small,slow, and dumb. That’s not good.

Too many positions where we lose one-on-one battles.

I was hoping 11-5, but after seeing a lot of other preseason games, REAL NFL teams are bigger and faster than us at a lot of positions.

Chester Taylor,Kellen Davis should be starters. Forte has very little NFL moves, unless there’s perfect blocking he,s good for a yard or 2. I’m also sick of him going down on contact. He’s a pussy cat.

"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub

by Trey23 on Aug 29, 2010 6:33 AM CDT reply actions  

"slow"?

not one of our problems…….

Agree with the one one-on-one battles issue…….

Again, this team is built on speed. Size, not so much, but look at our WRs. Hester and Knox are blazing fast. DA is pretty quick, too. RBs all run in the 4.4’s (except for Bell who runs in the high 4.7’s) which is pretty much NFL average. Cutler has good speed for a QB. The D-Line is packed with guys who are generally quick for their positions, such as Peppers, Idonije, Melton, Anderson and Harris. Pisa is above average in speed, Briggs is about average, and Urlacher is the prototypical cover 2 MLB with sideline-to-sideline speed. Tillman has lost a step at corner, but Bowman has average speed. As far as our safeties go, Harris is average, and Manning might be the fastest safety in the league. Again, speed is not an issue.

Taylor will, by my guess, not start. Forte may only be a one-cut back, but he and Taylor are about the same, ability wise, and Forte is younger and still developing. Taylor is already developed, and likely on the downside of his career. But I completely agree that he goes down too easy. I actually think that about every back on the roster except Bell (who reminds me of a slower, less effective Adrian Peterson, who Chicago should have resigned). Kellen Davis is not Greg Olsen or Dez Clark. That’s not to say he doesn’t have some very good skills. He definitely does. But he doesn’t have Olsen’s speed, nor does he have Olsen’s hands. Olsen was still a top ten TE last year, even if he didn’t take that step everyone wanted to see (which was kinda asking a lot considering that Ron “The Douche” Turner was the OC still). Davis is definitely a quality backup, and may earn a starting job some day. But not this year. He’ll be third, and unless the Bears unload both Olsen and Clark, he’s got no shot at starting.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, he gave that title to himself........

But I’ll take the credit for noticing the placard on his desk ;)

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

we need rex ryan

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 29, 2010 6:48 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

Although I wouldn’t mind us reaching out to Ron Rivera if when Lovie gets sacked.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes Rivera

He needs to be the next Bears head coach. Rivera’s defense that took us to the superbowl a few years back was mean, anyone connected to the 85 bears gets physical football. Thats who we need.

White Sox fans need not apply.

by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Aug 29, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

rex

if rex was available, lets go with his brother rob.

by stepeo on Aug 29, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now that I am sober again...

I have had a chance to mull this team over. This is LOVIE’S team. I do not agree that yelling and screaming is the only way to coach football. But Lovie’s blase and ho-hum demeanor lacks the sense of urgency and aggressiveness that his team desperately needs. It’s OK to be Tony Dungy quiet and meek if your team is already disciplined and motivated, but when they aren’t there has to be SOME emotion. I saw very few plays where the Bears team was the aggressor or had any real effort to speak of. The Bears were basically gutless and weak last night. It was not about simply lacking in execution, but a real dreamlike stupor of inaction. The Bears have been pushed around too easily this season and, IMO, this is a reflection of Lovie’s seeming impotence to rise to the challenge of motivating his players and coaches to be anything more than a football team in name only! Lovie is the only person who can turn this season around. No draft choice or FA or star player is going to do it for him. This is why he’s the head coach. He needs to step forward and drive his players toward success with confidence and resolve; and maybe (just maybe) yell a little.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Aug 29, 2010 7:53 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I hate to say "I told you so", but....nah, on second thought, I kind of like it.

I have been on record ever since I joined this site that Lovie is the problem and teams take on the personality of their HC. We have been a soft team for years showing very little passion. This is NOT a recent problem.

Regarding Dungy, let’s not forget he could never get Tampa Bay over the hump and if it wasn’t for Monte Kiffin being an SOB (in a good way like Buddy Ryan), his defenses would have been just as passive as this Bears team. He also lucked out in Indy and won a Super Bowl for two reasons….1) he had the best QB in the game, who wouldn’t let Dungy “pussy up” his offense, and 2) he went up against a bigger putz in Lovie in the SB. The Colts tried to give us that game and Lovie’s team still managed to say “no thanks, you take it”. No way any other playoff team would have lost to the Colts under those circumstances.

Before all the “screaming and yelling means nothing” people come out of the woodwork, let me say for the millionth time, those of us who want an aggressive coach don’t automatically equate that with screaming and yelling. We want someone who will get pissed off when they screw up and make sure the players know there will be hell to pay. Bill Walsh, Belichek, Tom Landry all were aggressive non-screamers who would have players shaking in their cleats knowing they’d be benched or cut if they didn’t play up to their potential. That said, I’m also fine with a screamer like Cowher, Ditka, Coughlin, or Lombardi. PLEASE, just get us someone who has a sence of urgency and instills that in his team.

By the way, LostinSTL, I know you have felt this same way all along so my subject line wasn’t directed at you, but to all those Lovie apologists. Those “Hi, I’m the FORMER Head Coach of the Chicago Bears” t-Shirts I recommended the other day are looking better and better, aren’t they?

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks....

I’ve always respected your posts and now I’m curious which parts you don’t agree with (not that you should)?

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I appreciate that. And I you

Notice I did say,

Though I may not agree entirely

I’m with you on mostly everything you said. Only thing is, from my arm chair, I have no idea what Lovie is like in the locker room. I’ve heard and read some quotes from players that insinuated he can and has firmly held players accountable (and we may not see that side of Lovie). Again he may or may not, I just don’t know.

However what I do know is, this team hasn’t made the playoffs for three consecutive years. And if this team doesn’t improve a considerable amount (in the coming weeks). They’re not gonna make the playoffs for a fourth consecutive year. With those results, Lovie would have to be shown the door.

by rdent4hof on Aug 30, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

On Dungy v. Lovie comparisons...

People compare Lovie’s lack of yelling to Dungy’s lack of yelling, but there are major differences. For one, Dungy might not have raised his voice (much), but he sure as hell told his team off when they were failing to perform. He paced up and down the sidelines during games, actively adapted strategy when things weren’t working, and occasionally got in the ref’s face. Dungy was NOT a softie or a milksop; he’s just not a yeller.He was a very effective coach.

Lovie on the other hand should be teaching kindergartners somewhere, preferably those with major self esteem issues. He just doesn’t have the intensity needed for disciplining overpaid giant man-cubs who need firm leadership. His excuse making, and “It’ll be ok, things are improving, etc etc” contrary to ALL evidence, is sickening. Lovie has WAY too much patience, to the point of it being a major flaw for an NFL coach. Patience shouldn’t last 3 seasons and it shouldn’t let poor performers off the hook, and expecting improved results to magically spring forth from the same formula is stupidity.

Being a relatively quiet guy is NOT what made Dungy a good coach, but it IS the only thing he and Lovie have in common.

"What I’m trying to say is that Lovie is an idiot. Let’s not forget this." --celerysalt, WCG commenter

by juperee on Aug 29, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with your assessment of Lovie but I just was never impressed with Dungy.

In my opinion, if he didn’t win that Super Bowl against Lovie, he wouldn’t be mentioned as a great head coach.

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lets not forget that Dungy had Payton Manning as his QB

which in no way hurt his teams performance. The Love V Dungy debate is not necessary for the simple fact that they are not the same type of coach. Dungy usually had a plan and was actually into the game. Lovie however appears to not have a clue as to what is going on and is most of the time just standing there with a blank stare and all I can think that is going through his mind is Nom, Nom, Nom.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 29, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly, that's what I mentioned above and you're right

Dungy’s teams definitely seemed more prepared than Lovie’s, but then our beloved HC doesn’t set the bar very high in that department.

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well it's sad when they actually say they didn't game plan

then they come out and look like they didn’t game plan. Again what the Eff are you doing all week if you’re not game planning?

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 29, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure where the disconnect is on the game planning but on the Fox pre-game show

here in Chicago, they stressed that Lovie and his staff were treating this like a regular season game with individual position meetings and going over the specific assignments. They said this went on all week in order to prepare the starters as if this were the real thing.

If that’s what they told the Fox group prior to the game, why did they say differently afterwards? Which time were they lying? My guess is they were just trying to come up with an excuse for not being able to perform AGAIN.

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about player personnel evaluations?

Everyone is saying that they’re getting out-played at almost every position. Doesn’t some of that fall on Angelo for failing to fill the holes on this roster? Lovie definitely doesn’t get a pass, but I think it’s more than just the HC at this point. The wheels seem to be ripe to fall off this season, and it could be an epic disaster in the making. Furthermore, what about Ted Phillips? He’s the clown that left JA and Lovie in charge.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

While I agree

that Angelo and Lovie share blame in this dont you think it was more the McCaskeys not wanting to fire Phillips/Angelo/Lovie due to money reasons ? I mean that has whats been hinted at by the press/media since that “We will embrace change” Press conference…..

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

They just spent 100 million this year in the offseason??

… Money is NOT the reason.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

but then they traded

Alex Brown and at first refused to pay Collins due to money reasons….Again if you believe the media….

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

But, what does that have to do with the coaches?

It really boils down to Jerry Angelo.

Think about it…

… If you’re Cowher or Shannahan, you’re not going to come to a team with a GM who has a HORRIBLE track record of finding talent and only understands the scheme of a C2 (and prefers to fill rosters towards that scheme)?

That’s the issue.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you are Cowher or Shannahan,

you’re not going to any team unless they give you control over all personnel decisions. Regardless of the GM.

by Fridge72 on Aug 29, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was getting ready to post the samething

Or at the very least have a “puppet GM”….

Just going off what has been reported by various media people that the reason Phillips/Angelo/Smith were kept was because the McCaskeys did not want to pay them all if they got fired especially with a possible lockout coming up….

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

While it sucks for us,

it might not be a terrible business decision on their part. Can’t say I am that knowledgeable about running a billion dollar sports team.

by Fridge72 on Aug 29, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

All I'm saying is that MONEY was not the overlying issue in the decision to keep the "three stooges" in place

I think team veterans and stability in top management played a big part in the decision. However, after this year (given what we have all witnessed), I think all of them will be fired and or released and Halas Hall will begin “rebuilding” in Chicago.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alex Brown is a tough decision

If we had kept him, then there was the possibility of him being a huge force on the other side of Peppers. But, how many seasons does he have left? Could the money of his salary go to better uses, IF Anderson and Izzy do play well. Then again, if he had stayed, we would never have gotten a truly great look at Odonije and Anderson. So we traded him, and we did. They haven’t looked bad, and Corey Wootton could be a future possibility, but this all comes at the expense of never knowing how the Brown/Peppers combo would’ve worked out.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually y'all ( and by y'all I mean the bears) cut him, Alex Brown that is

"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG

by DrWhoDat on Aug 29, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

We did?

Thanks for the information. We at WCG did not know that…..

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

He can't help himself he's probably drunk on crawfish and sweet tea.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 30, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention, Griggsbriggs did......

incorrectly say that we traded Brown in his post that Spongie was replying to.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh whatever,

we all know what happened. Sorry I’m just over the Who Dat nation, being stuck in pretty much the hell that is the Mississippi Gulf coast I have to listen to the crap daily.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 30, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah.......

I can see how that would suck……..

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can think of only a few things worse

living in Green Bay. Living in Minnesota. Living in Detroit, not becaue of Lion’s fans, they have a lot of damn pot holes.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 30, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

So true......

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Living in Detroit

But you will get to see Robocop in person in a few years. That’s got to be worth something.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 31, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

OCP! I did love Robocop.

The first one, the rest were garbage. Kind of like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2010 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, dat. I retract my sarcasm.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 31, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a tough one

How much is owed to JA and Lovie combined? I know it’s $12 million for Smith, but not sure about JA. Probably in the $20 million range at least considering JA’s contract has one more year than Smith’s.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

IIRC believe Biggs

stated that if Phillips and company were fired that the McCaskeys would be on the hook for around 25 million until 2012….Cant find a link or anything like that but just what I recall I think Biggs said on radio or TV shortly after Lovie was kept….

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

At this point,

I think that it is more a function of bad decision making than it is about the money.

by Fridge72 on Aug 29, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

The McCaskey's

are middle class people that were thrust into a white collar, billion dollar professional sports world. Think “King Ralph”. I actually think that they are getting a little better, their next big step will be getting rid of Phillips, Angelo, and Lovie. Then we’ll see how they do hiring their replacements.

by Fridge72 on Aug 29, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which should be interesting

given Michael retirement after this season and being replaced by George Halas McCaskey…..

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not that I ever really hear

a lot about the McCaskeys, but what I have heard leads me to believe that George is much better than Michael. This fan is definitely hoping so.

by Fridge72 on Aug 29, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, Angelo and Phillips are also proving to be terrible at their jobs

my point was directed more at the general attitude of the teams under Smith. There is no sense of urgency, no accountability, they play soft, and never seem to be prepared. All of those things are the responsibility of the HC. I’ve said many times before, the whole group should be dumped and I’d love to see the McCaskey’s sell the team to make it a total changeover.

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think JA shares the blame with the rest of the coaching staff for

lack of development of players, the players that JA was nice enough to get for us. But I think that JA is somewhat handcuffed based on the type of player he needs to fit the schemes that we run. Another huge issue I have is that over the last few years Lovie decided that coaching changes vice personnel changes would fix this team. Bottom line players play coaches coach.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 29, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure they apply at all anymore

The one thing bears fans should be aware of is that player personnel evaluations don’t mean a thing. We’ve aquired more than our fair share of draft and free agent busts and then when we get a guy with a good work ethic they are cut for the rookie and go off to another team and do well. If anything I think that when briggs got injured everybody else started playing off the ball so they weren’t the next ones to get dragged off the field. 3rd preseason game means they are trying to play the first regular season game. THAT IS YOUR TELLING PROBLEM, NO ONE IS GOING TO RISK PERSONAL INJURY OF ANY KIND ON A BIG PLAY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT NOT ONLY IS THERE A CHANCE OF NO FOOTBALL LEAGUE WIDE NEXT YEAR BUT ALSO THAT THE COACHING STAFF AND GM MIGHT NOT BE AROUND NEXT YEAR TO FIGHT FOR THEM EITHER. I’m not calling them soft by any stretch but this franchise is almost completely without direction or focus and next year might not be any better. I just wish they would just crush somebody, we used to watch the opponents get carted off the field. I think those days might be over.

by waw950727 on Aug 29, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

This.....

might be one of the most well thought out posts on the board today………….

Not saying that there aren’t other great posts, but I’m giving waw his props. The starters jobs are safe. I wonder how much of what he just wrote played into the awful visions we saw on the field on Saturday. I’m not going to go and drink a bunch of kool-aid, or get all sunny-optimistic, but it is something to consider………..

Rec’d

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

coolness

thanks for the rec! I noticed the posture on the sidelines while watching highlights on NFL.com. Scary thought if the team is seeing this entire year as a waste. I have seen too many good players from the bears roster leave and perform better. I should be used to it being a cubs fan as well.

by waw950727 on Aug 31, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

We are certainly...

on the same page; no pun intended! No offense taken, I got your point. I think our passion is often times more than that of our beloved Bears! Like others here, I see an epic fail on the horizon. Not just because it’s my tag line, but for the sake of the season, I put forth the concept of, “It’s not too late to fire Lovie”. Seriously, let’s drop the bomb now. Let any one of the 3 former head coaches take over for the season. The shock and subsequent sense of urgency would allow the players to choose how they respond:

1. Man up and take action
2. Suck ass and get ridiculed

It would help the organization save face for this year, audition a successor for the coming years, and allow for a coaching search to be done if the experiment fails during this year and not next year!

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Aug 29, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I took this picture at the Oakland game

If I had had time lapse footage it would have looked exactly the same. He stood there, hands on hips, not talking, not looking at notes. Nobody came up to talk to him. I thought it was noticeable that in the first half (when starters were playing) assistant coaches would confer on the sidelines with returning players, players would confer with each other, but Lovie didn’t communicate with anyone.

Now, maybe that’s just his style, but seriously, how’s that working out for ya?

A couple of times, coaches/assistants talked to Lovie briefly, presumably to get his input, and he’d nod and they’d be off. But he never once seemed to be driving the ship.

"What I’m trying to say is that Lovie is an idiot. Let’s not forget this." --celerysalt, WCG commenter

by juperee on Aug 29, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm...picture fail.

i guess my personal website isn’t a trusted source for SBNation filters. Ah, well. It will have to wait.

"What I’m trying to say is that Lovie is an idiot. Let’s not forget this." --celerysalt, WCG commenter

by juperee on Aug 29, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

right click them, and open them in a new tab........

they work that way………..

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here are links anyway

Lovie looking immobilized (deer in headlights?). He kept this pose for minutes at a time.

Lovie looking semi-responsive as other staff attempt to make changes:


(“The higher the pants, the less creative the playcalling”—wasn’t that the rule of thumb someone made up here?)

"What I’m trying to say is that Lovie is an idiot. Let’s not forget this." --celerysalt, WCG commenter

by juperee on Aug 30, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's nice to see he's keeping the red flag where it belongs though.

Only… That sheet he’s holding looks suspiciously like a kindergartner’s coloring book and less like a playsheet…

by Steven Schweickert on Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

His wife sewed his red flag into the pocket so he can't waste timeouts.

I’m wondering if she glued his dentures shut too, because I don’t think he said a dang word through the whole game.

But maybe it would be even worse if he had tried to intervene…that’s a scary thought!

"What I’m trying to say is that Lovie is an idiot. Let’s not forget this." --celerysalt, WCG commenter

by juperee on Aug 31, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Singletary

I was watching the SF game and Singletary went over to Matt Wilhelm LB EIGHTH season who had missed a tackle.
Singletary “You have to make that tackle you have to make that stop”
Wilhelm “absolutely Coach”
Singletary “Don’t give me Absolutely make the play”

It wasn’t screaming yelling cussing it was matter of fact THIS IS WHAT IS EXPECTED NO EXCUSES. THAT’S what seems to be missing IMHO.

by KyCubsFan on Aug 29, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree 100%

i saw the same thing on that game and thought, “Why cant we have this sense of urgency and high expectation?”

Lovie seems willing to wait forever for a miracle to occur on its own.

"What I’m trying to say is that Lovie is an idiot. Let’s not forget this." --celerysalt, WCG commenter

by juperee on Aug 29, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

When one of the best ever to play at your position tells you that you’re not doing well enough, a sensible fellow will listen!

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

We had a chance to get Singletary

When Lovie was brought in.

Singletary wanted the job

by suckmyditka on Aug 30, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Martz was hired

and the o line was not upgraded I figured that the Bear would be in trouble offensively. I made guesses of around 45+ sacks, 25+ INTs (some would be due to timing like the 1st INT last night and some would be on Cutler like the 2nd INT) but Cutler would pass for 4500+ yards IF he could survive the season…..

I also guessed that the running game would be better with Taylor and Forte BUT Martz will hardly ever use it opting instead to pass around 60 to 65% of the time. At one point last night the Bears had passed 15 times and ran just 5……

I did think that the D would be a little better with Peppers, Urlacher, and Chris Harris back but they would get gassed by the Offense playing so badly but as of right now it looks like more of the same even with that….

Its going to be a long season and right now I have to think the over under for Lovie being fired mid season is by the 9th game with there being 3 former HCs on the coaching staff…..

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 7:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I think they passed that many times on purpose

Because the line needs massive amounts of live practice.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Aug 29, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, this is the time to work on the part of the game you need to improve

no matter what the situation is. Pre-season scores mean nothing but pre-season development does.

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

That could be the case and hope you are right

but it just concerns me given Martz nature for pass happy offense….

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it already seems like we need to draft another Running Back.

regardless of the numbers that surely will be quoted, Chester Taylor looks like he knows how to play, Bell almost always fights for more yards, and it just always looks like he gets a good burst when he runs…where as Forte is just getting hit for 2yds, it’s sad, especially since Chris Williams is starting to not look like an oustanding Tackle…we could have had Rashard Mendenhall, and someone like Phil Loadholt or something

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 29, 2010 8:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I actually have high hope for Harvey Unga for next year.......

I don’t know that he can supplant Forte as a starter (I also have some faith in Forte to improve, especially given that he has the first legitimate threat to his starting spot in Chester Taylor) but I think he could be the short yardage back we’ve missed since Benson left (like him or not, Benson was/is VERY good in short yardage situations……….). He’s not a fast back (runs a 4.63 40) but he;‘s a big back with good hands who has a decent juke, breaks tackles, keeps his legs moving, and even has a spin move. He could be a very good compliment to Forte, if not take Forte’s job.

I was really excited when he was drafted in the supplemental, and a bit disappointed when he was red-shirted.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

From the TCU game

He seems like the classic “downhill” runner. Could be a good back to close out games.

by DaHamsta on Aug 30, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually reminds me of a slower, but more motivated Cedric Benson.......

would make an excellent compliment and short yardage back, me thinks….

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

in other words, I agree.............lol.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time to Start Over

If McCaskey were smart he would start the housecleaning now and start building a team for the future. Lovie, Marrinelli, and Tice all got to go. Oh, and Angelo too! And Mr. Cheap, Ted Phillips, the accountant. Wholesale housecleaning and prepare for the future or maybe sell the team to someone who knows what he is doing. This team has nothing and is not even fun to watch anymore.

by ChiBoy on Aug 29, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

you can't exactly fire the entire coaching staff with two weeks before Week 1

They should have been fired in January, but the McCaskeys were being cheap. Now that his wife has sadly passed away, go get Bill Cowher to become the team president and GM. It is 2011 soon, he can workshift and split his time between the Carolinas and Chicago.

It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??

by Invalid User on Aug 29, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keep Marinelli as a defensive line coach

But nothing more! I don’t know if it’s the players, him, or a combination of both, but these soft coverages are driving me nuts.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have a lot of confidence that this guy is the "savior" the Bears management made him out to be.

He became famous when Lovie first wanted to hire him as a DC but Tampa wouldn’t allow it. Then he had the worst performance ever as a HC (not entirely his fault when you consider Matt Millen was in charge) and now, in two seasons with some reasonably talented players, the Bears’ D-line has shown absolutely no improvement.

You have to wonder if the Angelo/Lovie talent assessment of coaches is as misguided as their assessment of players.

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

McCaskeys

I read Jim McMahon’s autobiography and in the book, he talks about there being a McCaskey younger brother, Brian, I think, who was an assistant trainer back in 85 and Jimmy Mac talked about how great it would be if he were in charge, because the 85 guys really respect him. My own idea is hire Jimmy Johnson as President & GM and Gruden as HC. But you’re right, this team needs a Rocky Writz kind of owner so we can clean house and rebuild.

by walterfan34 on Aug 29, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Johnson?

Two words

HELL

fucking

NO.

I want no association with the Cowgirls

by suckmyditka on Aug 30, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or Extenze ...

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 30, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah men

We are already the Chicago Liantherers, I don’t wanna be the “Extended Liantherer Boys”

by suckmyditka on Aug 30, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

ummm.....blasphemy!

Mike Ditka was previously with the ’Girls prior to ascension to the HC job in Chicago. For shame, sir…….for shame.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome, sir......

I stand corrected :)

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

AND!!!

Papa bear hallace cut him while he was a bear!! OK maybe not cut but didn’t resign him so again we lost a great player because of money or whatever.

by waw950727 on Aug 31, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its all about the lines...

And ours aren’t good. Peppers is good, but no man can be a D-line by themselves. It was good to see Tommie Harris make a couple of plays but Anderson and Izzy were both a second late all night and our Nose performance hasn’t been good since…Well, its been a while.

Offensively our interior is miserable. Whether Williams does or doesn’t pull his head out, the interior of our line is good at 1 thing – Pull blocking to the outside…Too bad they can’t do their primary job, blocking Nose Tackles. I am glad they are fast enough to out run a Defensive Tackle and put pads on a Linebacker for a screen or sweep, but at some point we have to push the line of scrimmage…And we can’t.

Jay really needs to bring his passes DOWN. It seems like half of our completions are leaping grabs, the ball is never just there…Even the screen pass required a massive jump ball performance. We don’t have San Diego’s receivers or tight end, bring it down.

by Brendan Hess on Aug 29, 2010 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Jay really needs to bring his passes DOWN. It seems like half of our completions are leaping grabs, the ball is never just there

Except for one to Aromashodu which should have been a jump ball, but was too low and the DB got it (might have been one of the interceptions, come to think of it). We’ve seen how accurate he can be, but he’s probably trading a fractionally earlier release for pinpoint accuracy, given how good the pass protection has been.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 29, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

The defensive line had some good pushes tonight

And I feel they didn’t play bad. This is probably the fifteenth time I’ve said this, but coverage looked really slow and loose.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well as for our defensive line

That’s what happens when you send off two starters and bump your second stringers up.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 29, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair, that’s the way of the world, and it’s not like both the starters were replaced by second stringers. What is crazy is counting on a bounceback by Mark Anderson… I don’t follow other teams as closely as I do the Bears, but does anyone else seem to rely on “potential” (which, I’m beginning to suspect, is being used as an acronym for “hope”) in the face of lack of actual production as much as this one does?

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

"and our Nose performance hasn’t been good since…Well, its been a while."......

Since Tank Johnson was fired prematurely………..another mistake the Bears and their fans are still paying for.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Weeks ago I said this was a mediocre team... and people trashed me for saying it.

Can’t wait to see what Lovie says this time, after making all kinds of “we weren’t game planning excuses” last week.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Aug 29, 2010 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

He stated that even before this game started

that they did not game plan for this game…..Marinilli even stated that they did not game plan and that they just wanted to play defense the “right way” what ever that meant…..

After the game Lovie said that these were just practice games and that they would get things straight…..

Personally I do (did) not think that this was a mediocre team….IMO this is a bad team……guess we will see….

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

What if they beat the Lions?

Will you recant your statement? They still have a chance to do it cause again none of this matters in the standings.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

But, what did you see that suggest their is something to be "positive" about?

What unit impressed you most these past three preseason games? Which players? What statistical category?

This team looks unprepared and overmatched in all contests.

How can anyone make any type of determination of how this team will perform in week 1 off of 3 underachieving performances coming out of offseason “training” camps?

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

If and only if

they didn’t game-plan for these games like the coaches mentioned. While I agree they’ve looked like crap most of the time, the team can still rally to win the opener; it’s not like the Lions aren’t beatable. I didn’t see much of the game last night, so I’ll have more to add later, but here are my positives…

Peppers, Taylor, Wright, Bowman, Harris, and Omiyale.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bowman?

Ehh no. Oh, and which Harris? Tommie, or Chris? Because neither have really impressed me much.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

He could only mean Tommie,

Tommie looked better last night than he has looked in years. It was nice to see, not sure if it is because he actually is back to his old self a little, getting a playing bump because of Peppers, or some combination of that, it was really nice to see though.

The other Harris doesn’t deserve to mentioned at all.

by Fridge72 on Aug 29, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely not Chris

I thought Tommie has been getting decent pressure and burst at the line of scrimmage. I can really care less how many tackles or sacks the guy gets, it’s about disrupting plays. If he can manage that, then he’ll be doing his job competently.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tommie looked better than last year I'll give him that

but other than Pep the Dline wasn’t blowing me away. Although like it has been said on here, the secondary is trash and they weren’t covering anyone, and the tackling is just attrocious. Not wrapping up and all that, what exactly did they do at training camp, do they not teach the fundamentals anymore.

 And if you ask me Jay really seems not to be interested in anything Pre Season and no I’m not saying that I based this on his interview but he and the rest of the offense seemed to be sleep walking through the evening. Who’s to blame for that approach? I’m a firm beliver that if you are a professional at something when you are doing your job you should be doing it 100%; and I’m just not seeing that as a collective unit on this team. Maybe when the roster cuts come into play and we get a better idea of the make up of the team we will notice a slight change in approach and execution.

How much can we blame injuries for the secondaries performance I don’t know but we need to get something very simple and it’s a think called continuity.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 29, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Injuries could have more of an impact on the secondary than we think

Chris Harris looked absolutely GASSED last night, which I think is why he made that bad cut, and also allowed Hightower to blow past him like that on that one play. When your legs leave you, you can only do so much. Perhaps that wouldn’t be the case if Major Wright or Craig Steltz could’ve played a little.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

But, you "practice" how you play, right?

Remember all the players and coaches raving about the changes in fundamentals and game planning?

Where have we seen ANY improvement from what we saw in 2009?

DL line? I’ll give you that, but the lack of consistency and coverage is still the overlying problem with the defense (same as in 2009)

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again

the only hope is that they’ve been more vanilla than their opponents. If it happens in the regular season I’ll join the fire brigade.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

They look completely out of sync

And when asked to simply just “beat your man one-on-one” instead of scheming, they get beat over and over again.

You watch guys like Rodgers, Manning, Romo, Rivers, etc… go out and march up and down the field for a quarter or a half and look like a well-oiled machine in “practice games,” before taking a seat and becoming spectators. Then, you watch the Bears 1st team look like a complete mess.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Aug 29, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that was just the offense...

nevermind the defense, which gave up these numbers last night:

Derek Anderson = 111 QB rating
Matt Leinart = 135 QB rating

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Aug 29, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

This ^

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

This ^

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever

Seriously, they’re preseason games and until they look like crap in the regular season I’m holding out a little hope. It’s not like the Lions are unbeatable (2 wins in 2 years).

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a new system, though, one which Martz said takes two years to learn (presumably preseaons and regular season), and all we’ve had is one offseason. Manning’s been in the same system since shortly after the walls of Jericho fell to the ground.

Mind you, that doesn’t excuse poor drafting in general and specific neglect of the offensive line, nor the defensive play.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rodgers, Manning, Romo, and Rivers

also do not have all new offensive coaching staffs, and are not trying to learn posisbley the most complex offensive playbook around.

Comparing them to the Bears is like comparing apples to oranges.
They are in a completely different situation

by suckmyditka on Aug 30, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even as bad as we've been some years,

We’ve always roughed up the Lions considerably. What has me worried are the games against Green Bay, Dallas, and New York, which could really hurt us in the early stages in the season. Even if the Bears do come around later in the season, it might be too late. Hopefully, I stand corrected, come week 4.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I may be wrong here, but weren't the 2 Lions games last year pretty close for most of the game?

I thought they were leading by a considerable margin in the first game at halftime but perhaps I’m mistaken. The point being that the Lions have been very bad but they showed improvement last year and this pre-season so far.

I mentioned in another comment that pre-season scores don’t mean anything but pre-season development does and everything I’ve read and seen on the Lions shows they are getting better. I’m not saying they’ll sweep us but I also don’t think we can automatically count on 2 wins against them anymore either.

by BearFan611 on Aug 29, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can't

Against any team, good or bad.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was at the first Lions game last year

and we kept going back and forth on scoring drives until we opened it up in the 2nd half and won 48-24. That game we knocked out Stafford and something was up with Megatron too.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 29, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep.....

first game was tied at 21 at the half, and then the Bears blew up in the second half for another 27 points while the Lions were held to only 3 second half points.

The second game was pretty similar, going into the half up by 3 (13-10) and then blowing up in the second half with another 24 points while holding the lions to 14 in the second half.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say we killed them in the second half of both games

The last one of the season they were in the game down by 4 or I believe in the 4th quarter.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 29, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

This game showed me one thing...

The Bears should NEVER blitz on third down. Ever. Period. End of story. Every single third-and-long completion that the first team gave up was during a blitz, and every single one of them was on a quick slant across the middle, usually from the right side.

They should also never blitz from the middle. Blitzing from the middle is for teams with strength and power. The Bears have none of that. This is a speed team. If you’re going to blitz, do it from the outside where the linemen can’t see you and you can sidestep them quickly. The LBs should NEVER be blitzing, they’re too fast and too weak to do it in the middle.

I was actually rather impressed with the base Lovie-Two scheme tonight. When we were in base, the Cards did absolutely nothing. When we started throwing some exotic shit in there, everything broke down. Especially on third down.

If there was an offense last night, I didn’t see it. What I saw was Cutler being tremendously inaccurate with virtually all of his throws, the WRs being completely out of sync with the QBs, and a massive case of the dropsies. Not to mention that Hester’s all-universe speed is completely gone, and will probably never be seen again. Guy looked like a lineman last night. It was pathetic to see such a dynamic player reduced to such utter futility.

The Bears’ offensive linemen cannot block a traditional run. So the Bears should never run traditionally. Use the screen game as your running attack. The OLine looked fantastic in screen blocking outside the hashes, and that’s where our longest gains happened. Like the defense, there is no strength or power on the Bears offensive line. But there’s a ton of speed. Let’s use it. Design some rollouts, some bootlegs, and run the screen like it’s your bread-and-butter offense. Quick slants. Stuff that takes advantage of the speed of our linemen and reduces our reliance on their strength.

It’s time for the Bears Brain Trust to leave the city of Chicago. And I mean everybody. As President, let’s get somebody in here with some actual football smarts, not an accountant like Phillips. As a GM, let’s find an old coach who doesn’t really want to travel anymore but wants to build a competitive team. Let’s scrap the ancient and IMO outdated idea of a single coach, rather hiring a Head Coach for the Defense and a Head Coach for the offense, and let’s NEVER let those two guys mix. Defensive guys should stick to defense and never lay a finger on offense. Offensive guys, same thing. And please, for the love of all things Halas, let’s get some coaches that actually have some competitive fire in them. They don’t need to be screamers like Cowher. But they do need to have some sort of passion for the game and for winning. BillyB is a one in a million coach, you can’t go looking for one like him. I’ll take a Singletary or even a Green. Guys with passion, who will hold players accountable. Bench them when they suck. Cut them when they suck more. And will keep guys that actually make a difference (like Wale and Brown).

I’m pissed right now. Dunno how long it’ll last…

by Doshi on Aug 29, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Can we at least keep Dave Toub?

He’s the one member of the coaching staff I don’t want to strangle right now.

It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??

by Invalid User on Aug 29, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Every single third-and-long completion that the first team gave up was during a blitz, and every single one of them was on a quick slant across the middle, usually from the right side.

-I spotted three instances of the WR getting set in motion before the snap, and taking a soft down-and-out route (Uncovered) for a 1st.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

The blitzing on 3rd down wasnt the problem..

It was the secondary playing off the receiver instead of playing close and putting themselves in position to make plays on the ball.

by Dominique Blanton on Aug 29, 2010 11:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I play football

One of the first fundamental principals you should always have in mind when covering a receiver is to always try to be within an arms reach of him. I don’t know what the coaches are preaching, or if the players a plain lazy and stupid, but flimsy coverage will not get us anywhere, no matter how much we rush opposing quarterbacks.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

They must be playing to instructions… which leads, naturally, to the question of why they’re being instructed to sit off so far in the first place. It’s an extremely pliable form of bend-but-don’t break.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

The blitzing on 3rd down wasnt the problem..

It was the secondary playing off the receiver instead of playing close and putting themselves in position to make plays on the ball.

by Dominique Blanton on Aug 29, 2010 11:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Changes to make

Couldn’t agree more. Definiitely need a HC w/passion who really cares how this team looks. These games are meant to get ready for the season and they play like this??? You’re absolutely right, let’s get Jimmy Johnson in here to run the show and Gruden out of the MNF booth to coach. I’m sick and tired of the underperforming, coming out flat, we didn’t gameplan tonight, it’s just preseason, every excuse in the book. The whole organization needs an attitude change. We’re the oldest and best franchise in the NFL. There’s no excuse for this, and things had better improve against DET.

by walterfan34 on Aug 29, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see you

Call Lach,Briggs, and Pisa “weak” to their faces….

by suckmyditka on Aug 30, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is pretty funny

I just read this over at si.com. Even Wade Phillips has bigger balls and more fire than Lovie. Here’s the link

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/218750-perturbed-phillips-may-play-cowboys-starters-vs-miami

by frenchbears113 on Aug 29, 2010 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

With all the "lack of's"

going around…..missed blocks,tackling,coverages,and that’s just the really obvious coaching deficiencies. Not to mention the O-line that never got addressed in the off season, perhaps Virginia has given the three stooges enough rope and they clearly are knowing what to do with it!!! Toub can stay, he knows how to get alot out of what he’s got.

"most football players are temperamental, thats 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental" Doug Plank

by fin4bears on Aug 29, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

The saving grace may be

that the players don’t at all care about the preseason and are saving themselves for when the games count. We’re certainly not the Colts, but I suppose there’s still a chance they come out versus the Lions and play a good game. If not, this team will fall into the doldrums of the NFC.

Does anyone know what the severity of Briggs’ injury is?

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Briggs Had walking boot on

and limping “pretty noticeably” according to radio…

Last week, Brian Urlacher left the game with a calf injury. This time, Lance Briggs limped off the field and didn’t return, casting doubt on the Pro Bowl linebacker’s availability for the season opener Sept. 12 against the Detroit Lions.

Briggs injured his left ankle early in the first quarter of the 14-9 loss to the Arizona Cardinals on Saturday night at Soldier Field. Briggs was unavailable after the game. Although the severity of the injury wasn’t known, he was seen leaving the stadium wearing a walking boot. That isn’t good news for a defense that has struggled during the preseason.

‘’We don’t know the extent of the injury or anything right now, but he couldn’t finish the game,’’ coach Lovie Smith said.

Briggs was replaced by Brian Iwuh. The veteran has been primarily a special-teams performer in his career but has impressed coaches throughout camp with his play at linebacker. He had five solo tackles.

Link………

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

What are you positive about from these three games?

Has anyone stood out? Or are you basing this on what you “hope” will happen.

I can appreciate your optimism, but at this point that seems to be all Bears fans can hold on to. The team spent several months traing and raving about how much they are learning, but can’t execute it on the field. It’s quite disheartening.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm holding out hope for the opener only

If they lose, I believe they’re done for the season because of the obvious difficulties in their schedule. I listed my positives above.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I respectfully don’t agree with the notion that they are “holding out” not to get injured given that players are STILL getting injured. I think they are just bad in the secondary and Jay Cutler is an erratic passer with inexperienced and undersized receivers.

I hold out hope like the next Bears fan that this is all an anomaly, but if you “practice” how you play…

… The we are in a LOT of trouble this year.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure

but they looked pretty good in preseason last year, and that didn’t carry over to the regular season. I guess we’ll just have to wait for two more weeks to get our answer. Maybe it’s time to get some of our draft picks playing time in the secondary- could it be any worse?

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

But, I think we got out answer.

Lovie said that they were going to “treat this game as a regular season game” in preparation of the season. I didn’t see any focus.

There really aren’t any draft picks that I can see the Bears needing to get on the field; except Major Wright.

This might sound like crazy talk…

… But, if they get off to a slow start and it appears that this is going to be a “weak year”, I say the Bears start trying to stock pile picks and rid themselves of overpriced vets.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This isn't baseball

They can’t just go out and trade players for draft picks.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 29, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, but they can free up cap space and depth

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 30, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did someone call for depth?

Paging Jarron Gilbert!

… Oh, not pool depth?

Oh well screw it all then.

by Steven Schweickert on Aug 30, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction: minor league prospects.

Teams can’t trade future picks.

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 30, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think you get what I'm saying.

Trading older talent now, for future picks later (i.e.— 2011 Draft).

We all know Charles Tillman is in the twilight of his career. Perhaps a team would be looking for a “complimentary” CB to play along side their no. 1 CB.

Or, trade away some of their depth at LB (i.e.— Pisa or Nick) for a future pick in the upcoming draft.

As a matter fact, trading Greg Olsen can get you a 2nd round pick in this upcoming draft that can be used to get a offensive lineman or a much needed secondary player.

Doing these things will allow a real GM in 2011 (I pray) to get some younger talent in and build towards reshaping this team and making a run in a MUCH sooner time then allowing the team to come to a complete halt.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 30, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand where you're coming from

but in the NFL it’s very difficult to make trades, and also receive a fair-market value for a player right before the start of the season. How and why would the Bears trade one of their several injured LBs? That’s the reason for having depth, and no team would give up a decent pick for potentially damaged goods (Roach and Pisa).

"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.

by propheteer on Aug 30, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

why the ...

would you tade an already established player for an uknown?

Why would you trade one of your starters like Peanut or Olsen for a rookie who would come in and may suck. May turn into a Jamarcus Russel.
Keep your players.
In my mind the only thing woth trading for a draft pick would be another draft pick, or a like 3rd stringer if he’s gettin you a 5th or 6th rounder

by suckmyditka on Aug 30, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because your "established" players are banged up or uunproven.

Peanut doesn’t have much more “go” int hose shoulders and legs and Olsen has yet to prove that he is a consistent and reliable receiving target— let alone— a decent blocking TE.

Your team is aging and needs “talented” youth injected into it’s depth charts.

If the season is a wash, then you make trades for picks with teams who have a shot at the postseason, but are missing a second CB or a TE due to injury or lack of depth.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 1, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok so... With olsen

You are trading your so called “unproven” TE
for

a 2nd round unproven, hopeful.
How do you know you aren’t drafting the next Ryan Leaf, or Jmarcus Russel?
You don’t
At elast you know what you’re gonna get with Olsen and Tilman

by suckmyditka on Sep 1, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH #2

Ok now along with the tackling problem we were so far off the receivers that they were able to make 5-8 yrds a catch. Zone is an ok defence but the offenses are looking for and are picking us apart on it. Can we plan man on 3rd down? If we play zone or blitz it seemed like we were going to hit for 10 plus yards!! They might as well start Jay out in the shotgun for the entire year because the line is letting him get killed. Not looking good for us, I believe, I think were looking at 4th in the division and next year will be another rebuilding year. I’ll still watch every game and cheer the lads on but if they don’t tighten up I think were in trouble.

by waw950727 on Aug 29, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think the sky is falling but

This team is no better than last year. Sorry to say, we’ll be another 7-9 or 8-8 team this year.

"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.' - Chris Berman

by Sam Householder on Aug 29, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

A friend who played D1 college ball

Told me he attended two Bear practices a few weeks ago and was astonished how easy they were. No tackling. Very little contact. Said his HS practices were tougher. No wonder the Bears can’t tackle or protect when they go against actual football players. It’s like facing a 95 mph fastball after 4 weeks of just taking batting practice. 2012 can’t come quick enough. Lovie and Angelo will be here for a 5 win season this year and get paid for next year’s lockout and then I hope they bring in someone with balls who will inspire a new breed of Bears. The current crop of players have been treated with kid gloves and it shows on the ffield.

by Duck99 on Aug 29, 2010 11:42 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I've been complaining about this to Brad Biggs each week on Twitter.

I’ve been saying a soft camp and no real contact has left us unprepared to face more physical teams. I also blamed the camp and our S&C coach for injuries to many starters. He doesn’t agree but I think he’s in denial. I went to camp a few times this year and the most physical part of practice was watching the O-line hit the sleds and we can see that did nothing for them now.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 29, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have watched NFL network all pre-season

And they have showed many training camp highlights for teams like the cowboys, ravens, bengals, etc etc, also watching the Jets on Hard Knocks. Those camps are very physical, especially the raven’s one. They tackle and hit each other pretty decisively, I have no idea why the Bears don’t do the same thing, the team looks very, very soft.

by Chitownproduct on Aug 29, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

One example, turn on Hard Knocks.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 29, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Better than no cable. Hey at least you're not Amish.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 30, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL, you're on a roll, my friend! :)

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to hit my regular season stride.

Thank god for preseason, that way I can make comments but just half ass them and no one cares. Glad that I’m relaxed and just making good solid comments, you know getting back to the fundamentals of posting.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 30, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, at least someone is.......

working on their fundamentals, cause the Bears sure the hell aren’t…………….

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta be razor sharp for when the trolls come out.

Well if Lovie would yell at someone, Devin was just a $40 million dollar kick returner, Greg Olsen wasn’t soft and Garret Wolfe was our #1 RB, we’d be all good.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 30, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Powerfully spoken..

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 30, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

That'd be a cool website or blog moniker.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 30, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahem, we're the only family in the community with a television set

The one in the village hall, next to the common computer that I’m using, has a full subscription to Direct Television, although our priest does not condone any programs except those intended to strenghten our beleifs.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 30, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about those intended to strengthen your belief that the Bears are worth your loyalty, as a fan?

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 31, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

“If”? As if there’s any doubt. There’s evidence, damnit.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 31, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing seperating him

is kicking Lovie’s ass out of here, and bringing back real football.

by GriggsBriggs on Sep 1, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bravo sir, bravo.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2010 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I knew there was someone who had the same convictions as me!

In highschool practices they actually make you tackle. That desn’t mean nail the crap out of a guy, but still, the more used you get to contact, the easier it gets to adjust to the physical game flow.

by GriggsBriggs on Aug 29, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lack of talent and bad coaching more then anything

explains why we suck so much… The Bears are just not very good.

by 815Sox on Aug 29, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jay was smiling during the in-game interview

He didn’t seem concerned at all. Hopefully they are just not trying in the pre-season. I mean on the wildcat play to Hester, Hester looked like he was not playing, most of the time, the wildcat QB is low and ready to run.
I still have hope, there is no sense in jumping off of a cliff just yet, now if we lose to the lions…

by DaHamsta on Aug 29, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Wildcat on 2nd and 1 pissed me off.

Even if the Bears aren’t trying during the preseason, they would be completely arrogant and stupid to do so. A new offense and new components on both sides of the ball and you’re not taking it seriously? Seems like a recipe for disaster to me.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 29, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The call wasn't the problem

It’s the fact the Hester wasn’t paying attention and dropped the snap.

by DaHamsta on Aug 29, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The call was fine but unneccesary.

Martz got a bit cocky there instead of letting us convert and trying something afterward.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 29, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lovie said they were treating this as a "regular season game"

… And WHY would it be “ok” for us as fans to give the Bears a pass for three bad performances by the first team? Why even put them on the field if coaches are “not taking this serious”? Why even practice?

I just don’t buy that “they aren’t trying” bit that the Bears are selling.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying?

That should never happen.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 29, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Jay wasn’t smiling in the interview I saw and he actually seemed kind of ticked about the play and being out of sync.

by KyCubsFan on Aug 29, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Contrary to all the snide comments that jilted Broncos fans who couldn’t get over being dumped were making all of last season, I was quietly impressed with him in that sideline interview. Straight talking, being diplomatic with his choice of words (once again, no throwing anyone under the bus) but you could tell that he wasn’t happy with the overall standard (and nor should he be).

Lovie, on the other hand…..

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, what Just Dave (sorry :-D ) said… even last season, when he stated that the responsibility for the passing game falls on his shoulders as the QB (despite what we could all see, i.e. the young WR corps making mistakes and the pass protection being very patchy). If you’re one of the WRs or OL and your mistakes are being covered by your QB, you bust a gut to work harder for him.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 31, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bears defensive injuries

Wright- was our best DB when he was in
Urlacher and Briggs- Our two top linebackers, Urlacher is the playcaller and the Breaston TD happened due to late shifts.
Zach Bowman- I’m not sure how long he was out but I heard he had a hand injury
The offense is where the problems were and they didn’t seem to care too much in interviews

by DaHamsta on Aug 29, 2010 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Bowman came out

a couple or a few plays after Briggs came out….

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think outside of Peppers there was anthing positive about the game

The first two games at least receivers were running free and open everywhere. Last night not at all and to compound the problem Cutler was making too slow of reads and poor decisions. Someone said it earlier that they are just soft, no fire. I watch the other preseason games and guys are flying around jumping up and down hootin and hollerin, we have none of that and they secondary plays extremely passive, they refuse to make a play on the ball and be aggressive at all. All this pressure on Lovie and we have this?? I can’t believe I have to pay to see this. 4-12 this year..

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 29, 2010 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah.....

Very little to be positive about. Peppers, and Maybe Tommie Harris (I thought he looked better than he has in years) and that’s about it. I guess Melton kinda caught my eye for a bit, but I can’t get all that excited about a guy who’s that low on the depth chart having a good preseason game. Not taking anything away from him, but how much effect is he going to have on the regular season?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

One consistent positive I've seen through the pre-season

Has been Martz’s play calling. Don’t get me wrong. The execution of the plays called, hasn’t been positive. But the play calling alone (on offense), I feel has been stellar.

Then again, I have been watching a Ron Turner coached offense for quite some time…

by rdent4hof on Aug 30, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Then again, I have been watching a Ron Turner coached offense for quite some time…"

Right, we could watch Lenny and Squiggy call plays and it would probably be an improvement over what we’ve seen out of Ron “The Douche” Turner over the past couple decades…….

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Step one is denial

Step two is acceptance
im in step 2 now

by RoyRockNRoll on Aug 29, 2010 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

What is step 3 i wonder

"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence. In other words, it is war minus the shooting." - George Orwell

by RoyRockNRoll on Aug 29, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

step 3

taking a bath with a toaster plugged in.

by Chitownproduct on Aug 29, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

neither is driving a car off a cliff apparently.

by Chitownproduct on Aug 29, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not even when you let the groundhog drive!

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

A classic scene and a fantastic movie.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 30, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually..

Step One – Denial
Step Two – Anger
Step Three – Bargaining
Step Four – Depression
Step Five – Acceptance

These are the five stages of grief. Typical emotions that come with a Chicago Bears season.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Aug 29, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Step 1-6 is heavy drinking therefore creating an alternate reality where life can be whatever you want it to be.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 29, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

heavy drinking

ill now thats something i can do lol

"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence. In other words, it is war minus the shooting." - George Orwell

by RoyRockNRoll on Aug 29, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree about the tackling

I’m a life long rugby player and in that game you can NOT be a a terrible tackler. Rugby teaches that you have to make the stop on defense no matter what. Tackle, tap tackle… whatever it takes. I think Lovie’s approach is too girly. I think they’re poor tacklers because Lovie preaches take-aways as opposed to stopping the ball carrier first. Now I do agree that take-aways are important, the defense isn’t always in a position to create one so trying to when there’s no chance is quite stupid. We need a coach to stress the importance of proper tackling first and then focusing on take-aways later. That’s why Patrick Willis is a monster. He makes the stop no matter what and if there’s a chance to create a turnover he’ll take it. Coach Singletary gets on his guys for not making tackles. I know I sound like a broken record but when I see these guys play defense I always find myself screaming “JUST MAKE THE DAMN TACKLE ALREADY!”

by frenchbears113 on Aug 29, 2010 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

That is so true

"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence. In other words, it is war minus the shooting." - George Orwell

by RoyRockNRoll on Aug 29, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Lovie’s approach is too girly

I think Lovie’s approach is too girly soft/ineffective. These are better and less offensive descriptions…

As far as your opinion for proper tackling, you couldn’t be more right!

by rdent4hof on Aug 30, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with rdent

I have been playing rugby for 5 years and am a girl. His playcalling is not girly. I know girls that could tackle an NFL player in a heartbeat.

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

Editor/Writer for WindyCityGridiron.com

by Ashley Czuba on Aug 30, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You guys are right my bad. I wrote this in an angry haste

But HoneyBear I agree with you. I’ve actually seen girl ruggers tackle guys twice their size. It is very impressive and quite scary. And honestly, it was my mother who pulled me aside as a kid and scolded me for bad tackling technique haha

by frenchbears113 on Aug 30, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha.

I wasn’t offended. Just wanted to make sure you did realize that it’s not always okay to insinuate girly = weak. :]

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

Editor/Writer for WindyCityGridiron.com

by Ashley Czuba on Aug 30, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

No problem frenchbears113

And I appreciate your honesty.

And honestly, it was my mother who pulled me aside as a kid and scolded me for bad tackling technique

That’s classic!

by rdent4hof on Aug 31, 2010 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im watching the replay now....

The first quarter was actually not bad. Minus the cutler int

martz called some good plays to convert his own third downs on offense

The defense was able to get off the field and make the needed stops

im watching te 2nd quarter now and this is where the defense looks to begin the slacking

by Bear Lovin 21 on Aug 29, 2010 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Step off the ledge everyone...

the end of the world is not here yet. Do we have some issues that need to be fixed? Yes. Definitely. But isn’t the preseason when we can see where we need to work? Yes. While it is the 3rd game, and many will argue that we should have fixed the problems by then, we were also playing a different team which brings different challenges – showing new errors.

I’m not happy with the result, but everyone here acts as if the sky is falling. Lovie said before the game that they weren’t really game planning. While I’m not sure I would take that route, he did. We don’t need new running backs (as I’ve seen many of you suggest). They’re not the problem, the fact that they don’t have openings is. We don’t need a new team, we just need to rethink the direction we’re taking and how to fix our low points.

While the game was a little tough to watch, there were plusses. LeFevour came and did better than he has been, Knox had some great catches, the running game started opening up when Taylor came in, and we had a lot of successful screen passes. While it’s easy to look at all the faults and what we need to work on, try to stay rational and look at the positives and what we’re fixing already, as well.

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

Editor/Writer for WindyCityGridiron.com

by Ashley Czuba on Aug 29, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I get where your coming from

but the running game didn’t open up when Taylor came in, he had 5 carries for 36 yards one of those runs being a 24 yarder, meaning on his other 4 carries he was at 3 yds per attempt which is right on par for this Offensive Line.

Oh and it’s hard to be rational when the people who are running the team are far from it. But unitl the games count and we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs we are super bowl bound. However I do have plenty of concerns about the team that I’d like to see go away and fast.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 29, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I have concerns as well. I just feel like people are freaking out and not everyone has the same voice of reason in their heads that a few of us do… :]

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

Editor/Writer for WindyCityGridiron.com

by Ashley Czuba on Aug 29, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s certainly true that the first posts in this thread were highly emotional. This is where I find it helps to have an alternative team that you’re just as passionate about in another sport (Ireland, rugby union). Fortunately for me the Bears’ season and meaningful Irish international matches (6 Nations, Rugby World Cup) don’t tend to overlap.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or, as I sometimes use to explain my decade+ single status to friends: as both a Bears and Irish rugby supporter, my life is already quite enough filled with disappointment for eight months of the year ;-D

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha. Nice.

I wish we got more televised rugby games in my area… It makes me sad. :[

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

Editor/Writer for WindyCityGridiron.com

by Ashley Czuba on Aug 30, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

atdhe.net is your friend (although the southern hemisphere seems to have given up tackling in favour of basketball-style scoring… 4 tries in the first 10 minutes of one of the recent TriNations matches).

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 31, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Holy cow!

4 tries that quickly? Who were they playing… an elementary school league? Lol. I watch atdhe.net for Bears games, I’ll have to try to check it out sometime for rugby too.

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

Editor/Writer for WindyCityGridiron.com

by Ashley Czuba on Aug 31, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh, it was one of the Tri-Nations matches so any two of Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. Sounds like our defense, come to think of it.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 31, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

we should trade Hester, he clearly isn't a good receiver.

eitehr that or put him back at returning kickoffs because he cant even get the ball on punt returns, seems pointless to even have him back there. I miss Berrian

by ALmighty1080 on Aug 29, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Never thought I'd hear that

He’s not great, but come on, I can’t think of anyone on our team that is head and shoulders above him. Another note, did you see that pass that hit Berrian right between the numbers and it lead to a sweet pick six by rookie Earl Thomas?

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 29, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anybody see a ship sailing around here.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 29, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not me .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 29, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

We seriously need an FAQ with general concensus / pros and cons on certain hot topics that people need to read when they join, whether they’re new or haven’t been around during the offseason. I didn’t post anything for months after I found this site, just read everything that regular posters were saying, because I didn’t want to rehash the same old arguments if I had nothing useful to add.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not for $7mm a year

not worth it..

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 29, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

and rec’d

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Apon further review ( watching the game ) ....

…. I’m now not as nervous about our regular season . The O did look sluggish but Frank Omiyale and Chris Williams both played well , Cutler admitted after the game that he did get a bit of happy feet because his trust in the line is a bit shaken ( deservedly so ) , Cutlers performance was OK overall ( the INT’s hurt but the WR drops hurt even more ) , if not for the blocked FG and the missed field goal we win this game ( come the regular season I think our special teams will be fine ) and the defense looked great in the first quarter stopping the Cards ( Harris got consistant pressure as did Peppers ) only when Briggs went down did we start to look really bad ( and thats still minus Urlacher and Major ) . So overall I’m not feeling as bad as I was ealier . We work out these kinks we should be fine .

Also I was impressed with the play of Brian Iwuh when he replaced Briggs . He should be on our team come the regular season . He showed good form with his tackling and made ever tackle that he was presented . Also after watching the game Chris Harris was completly gassed when his play started to slip . Maybe if we had some healthy guys back there that wouldn’t have happened .

And really Almighty1080 trade Hester ? Come on man . And miss Berrian ?? Now really come on man .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 29, 2010 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm going to agree with you...

Look what other choice do we have? I’m bothered by some of the things I’ve seen but I will withhold judgment until the season starts. I’d rather have a team that sucks now but surprises me in the regular season, then to watch a team game plan and go gangbusters in the preseason then totally bomb when it matters.

I think our run defense has been pretty good. I think Jay, until those pick, has been sharp. I also like that we’ve been able to run the ball. So there have been some positives. My biggest concern is the defense on 3rd down. So I’m just going to stay optimistic.

Yeah but it worked!

by Dils on Aug 29, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weird stats

3rd and less than 5 the Bears were 3 of 4 with the one non-stop on a 3rd and 1
3rd and 5+ the Bears were 3 of 9 with one of the stops on third and 18 and one TD on third and 13
I did not count the kneel at the end of the game which was on third and long
How do they manage to do this, how?

by DaHamsta on Aug 29, 2010 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

As I'm watching the game again...

I’ve noticed that LeFevour and Bell were really good last night.

F the Vikings

by JordanRay on Aug 29, 2010 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

umm

Where are the guys that are already calling for LeFevour to be the starter? I figured that would start by now…

by MAY on Aug 29, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Don’t worry, they’ll get here… probably already are, in Yahoo Sports comment threads. There’s a reason I avoid them like the plague >_<

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 30, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

last night

I agree LeFevour looked good last nite, but w/Jay, Collins, and Hanie around, might be preactice squad QB. That said, what an awful game and Lovie’s comments postgame didn’t help. He talked about “learning the personnel” Learning the personnel?? It’s the 3rd preseason game and he needs to learn about personnel??? This is almost as bad as the Wanny days, can’t believe I said that.

by walterfan34 on Aug 29, 2010 5:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Not very often that I stop watching the game

Last night was one of those times. Ugh!

WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!

by Acreman20 on Aug 29, 2010 6:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Some Interesting stats and quotes
In what amounts to an overtime game’s worth of action, Cutler has had 16 possessions and led two touchdown drives. He has completed 19 of 37 passes for 275 yards with one touchdown, two interceptions and 10 sacks, four pinned to left tackle Chris Williams.

His passer rating of 62.4 is three points better than Dan LeFevour’s after the sixth-round draft pick had a nice showing against the Cardinals, completing 10 of 12 passes for 100 yards and a 3-yard touchdown…..

Coach Lovie Smith was bothered by missed field-goal opportunities against the Cardinals and called it a “glorified practice.” ……

“We’re putting in a new offense, and guys are a little uptight about making mistakes out there. We’ve just got to relax and go out there and play. With the talent we have and Mike calling plays, we’re going to be hard to stop if we’re clicking.”…..
Link……

Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.

- Jay Cutler

by CloudyFuture on Aug 29, 2010 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

The defense takes the blame for this one plain and simple

here is a copy and paste right off the bears own site:

The starting unit allowed Arizona to convert 5 of 9 third-down opportunities and permitted quarterbacks Derek Anderson and Matt Leinart to complete a combined 16 of 22 passes for 178 yards with 2 touchdowns, no interceptions and a 126.7 passer rating.

126 passer rating for those 2 clowns! that is unaccpetable even for a preseason. Then Cutler comes is a close second with a self admitted lousy game. This time Hester and the receiving corp aren’t to be blamed.
 I have some confidence that Martz is keeping his cards close to his chest this preseason, I do not share the same thinking for Lovie. This defense is probably exactly what we will see come the regular season. We better be ready to score at least 28-35 points to even think about winnning games, the defense cant stop anyone and I see no reason why thats going to change in 2 weeks.

White Sox fans need not apply.

by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Aug 29, 2010 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Really the recievers aren't to blame ? Didn't I see ......

….. Devin Hester drop a perfect over the shoulder ball from Cutler ? Didn’t Knox drop a couple while gettin smacked ? Funny I thought that all that went down but maybe my eyes deceive me ……. and thousands of other folks .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 29, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least someone here saw what I did .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 29, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

How much do linebackers that can cover matter in a lovie-two?

A bunch.

Without Briggs and Urlacher, watching Williams torch the defense on the seams was just… well, awe inspiringly bad, it really shows why speed and athleticism and knowledge of how to cover is as important in this scheme as anything else…

That and the ‘creativity’ and the blitzing, they’re both reminiscent of last year’s play calling, but even more blitzing to try to create pressure. That said: dispensing of Alex Brown was probably the last thing that the Bears should have done.

See, the problem is, I constantly have to be comparing to 2006-2008 Bears defenses, where, the coverage isn’t sloppy, the pass rush is efficient, you feel comfortable sending in five every so often… but not every down… especially the safeties… watching the safeties blitz was probably the most effective blitzing i’ve seen from the bears in a long time… maybe that it’s a bit dramatic, but I feel that it’s a strength (even though tackling isn’t a strength of Danieal Manning, and I laughed when I watched him make that open field tackle on Williams, thinking that I might never see that again).

Oh man.

I’d prefer not to talk about the offense, the clownsevelt of a guard non gratis in omiyale… did anyone else nearly gag when the crew said that ‘Omiyale was a rising star in the offensive line (or something relatively close)’? I lost it, because, as far as I can see, he’s lost there. He might have a lot of raw talent, but the man cannot put it on the field. He gets no push, no aggression, looked only half decent on the screens, two penalties… you’d think that someone, anyone, in the bears organization would have said ’y’know, jerry, you REALLY need to find us a new right tackle… i don’t care what it takes… do it.’

by awfullyquiet on Aug 29, 2010 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe we're seeing two different things

But i thought Omiyale has been solid this pre-season. He has been pushing guys around like rag dolls, and has been effective in the running game also. I agree the 2 holding penalties can’t happen in the regular season but he has actually played quite well that i have seen. Does anyone agree with me?

by Chitownproduct on Aug 29, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gotcha back homie . Omiyale ........

…… has looked great after starting out slow .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 29, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

We stink...

plain and simple. They actually look worse then last year which is a hard feat to accomplish

by 815Sox on Aug 29, 2010 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Really ???? Whats our ..............

……………….. REGULAR SEASON record as of right now ?

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 30, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

He said they "look worse" which is subjective

And we currently have 7 fewer wins than last season.

----------
Is my mind a'goin on me or am I watchin you jibber jabber like some sorta jibberty box. Jibber Jabber on! Jibber Jabber on! -- Early Cuyler

by SaintCee on Aug 30, 2010 3:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

And 9 fewer losses...........

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was gonna post the same thing train .... Thanks homie !

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 30, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

pass me some of that kool-aid, sir......

before I start recognizing that we seem defeated before we even hit the field……… :)

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You prefer Orange , Grape or the ever popular Cherry ??

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 30, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grape, please :)

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 30, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

You must have some money to afford actual kool aid

I was thinking we’d be serving, Orange, Purple and Red, and if it’s a good day some Blue Drank. SUGAR WATER!!!!

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2010 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sugar water with extra suger !!!

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 31, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to wait until tuesday to watch the replay on NFLN

Not the kind of comments I was hoping after their last game.

"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama

by BL3ACH on Aug 29, 2010 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Just try to look for some of the positives.

There are the negatives, as people are screaming, but there were pros as well!

"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton

Editor/Writer for WindyCityGridiron.com

by Ashley Czuba on Aug 30, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm more concerned with the secondary than the offense.

Anderson to a no name WR? We made them like Montana and Rice all game.

"Boozer's dumbass dunked, so i dunked on his dumbass"- Joakim Noah

by T.Moore on Aug 30, 2010 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

We may also have rescued Matt Leinart’s career.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Aug 31, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

We may also have rescued Matt Leinart’s career.

And sadly in the background a hottub can be heard weeping.

David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/

by Ditkavsworld on Aug 31, 2010 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Windy City Gridiron is the best independent site on the internet for breaking news, in-depth analysis, and hardcore discussion about the Chicago Bears

Community Guidelines

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Parliament_small
What about Eddie Royal?
Burlacher2_small
Super Bowl Shuffle: 2012 REMIX
Jay_cutler_small
The 2012 WCG Bears Super Bowl Shuffle!
Images_small
Why Phil Emery has his work cut out for him.
Jay_cutler_small
Is a Trade for Brandon Marshall In the Works?
Jay_cutler_small
Free Agency Extravaganza!
Smoked_meat_066_small
Pro-Bowl is a joke, and needs to go
Small
Decisions Await New Bears GM on Draft Day
Bears_small
Senior Bowl Recap
Jay_cutler_small
Why Phil Emery Was the Right Choice For GM

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Windycity_small Adam T

189886_210123485665309_100000029768895_888721_5830650_n__1__small Dane Noble

Editors

Sackwatchcutler_small Lester A. Wiltfong Jr.

Orange_shy_guy_small Steven Schweickert

Capture_small Kev H

Contributing Writers

Lincoln_small Sam Householder

Leprechaun_small Spongie

Polishsausage_small Steve Ronkowski

Cat_bonnet_small Pete Dixon

Icothgmts_small T.J. Shouse