If Favre's done, who's better: The Bears or The Vikings?
I posted this over at Fannation on SI's website in a thread about who would finish higher in the NFC North standings this year IF Favre is gone for good: the Bears or the Vikings. At first I only planned on writing a few sentences in response to a comment that our defense was not what it used to be, but then I got into it.
Just because we may not return to '05 or '06 levels, our defense is still solid. As a team we lost a season of a perennial pro bowler in Urlacher, a season of a potential pro bowler in Pisa, we endured a secondary ravaged with injuries, and still managed to go 7-9. As it stands we improved at SS with the addition of Chris Harris, FS with the addition of Major Wright, Bowman, who had 6 INT's last season, is developing into a very good cornerback and Tillman still has at least 2 seasons left in him. We upgraded at DE with Peppers, at DT Harris is finally healthy, and Idonije and Anderson will be good enough playing opposite Julius. Our entire defense upgraded in the offseason.
As for the offense, not only did we remove the revolving door that called himself Orlando Pace, we replaced him with Chris Williams, who showed an ability to protect the passer as he began to start at the end of the season. We removed a negative and added a positive. Mike Tice, our new OL coach, is well-recognized for his ability to elevate his lineman's play, and all indications are that our OL will be much better this season. Forte played through an injury last year and now has a legitimate backup in Chester Taylor, and both of them fit well into Martz's system, which calls for RBs capable of catching out of the backfield. Aromashodu finally got significant PT towards the end of the season, and showed good hands, good speed, and good size, and if he can thrive in Martz's system, could develop into a top WR. Johnny Knox had a great rookie season, and with his speed and toughness provides a great threat if he can improve his route-running even the smallest amount. Personally I don't feel Hester should be catching passes, but he was reliable outside of the time he missed due to injury. And Earl Bennet showed up as a smart, deceptively fast receiver who Cutler likes to throw to. Our WR corps is young and unproven, but with good to great speed all around, huge potential. At TE, Olsen can catch, Desmond showed up in training camp big time so far, and Brandon Manumaleuna can block. Not flashy, but solid.
And then it comes to Cutler. Many complained about him last year, but many of his knocks were unjustified. While he was throwing picks left and right, he was doing it in Ron Turner's convoluted offensive scheme, miscommunicating with receivers also struggling in Turner's system. With a year of experience and bonding, they should sync well this season under Martz, an offensive genius. With improved blocking and receiving, Cutler should feel more comfortable in the pocket, and do the thing he does best: throw. Anyone who doubts his ability as a QB in the NFL should look at the Vikings game last year where Aroma broke out, or the Lions game in which Cutler threw four TD's. With everything else elevated around him, Cutler is more than capable of carving up a defense with ludicrous accuracy, and a cannon of an arm.
All that said, our season rests on two big IF's: IF Tommie Harris can perform at an adequate level, and IF the skilled players embrace Martz's system. The improvement is in place, and growth should lead to success. I am not suggesting a 13 or 14 win season, but anything below .500 is extremely pessimistic, and 9-11 wins seem appropriate.
As for the Vikes, IF Favre is finally gone, then Jackson's development at QB is key. If he can be an adequate starter their offense shouldn't lose too much, but an aging defense could slow them down.
So, IMHO, the bears should finish one to two games ahead of the Vikings this season. What about you, WCG readers?
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You don't. Unless your a filthy Viking Troll.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 4, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't say you were, somebody's sensitive. :)
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 4, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I voted on the Ravens blog and the Oregon Ducks football blog as well.
That doesn’t mean I have pledged my allegiance to those teams.
F the Vikings
This is the shortest title
of any post I’ve ever seen at SBN. Before I clicked the link, I assumed that you hit “publish” accidentally before typing out the rest of the title. I mean, damn, not even an ellipsis or anything…
Where is the option that says
" FU Vikings"???
"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"
-Mike Martz-
I wouldn’t be so sure. Jackson at Qb is a scary thing, no matter what some Vikings fans will try and tell you. Teams would just stack the box against him, and force him to beat them which I doubt he could do. It should also be said that the Vikings OL was much better in 2008 then it was in 2009. It appeared that McKinnie and Hutchinson began their decline last season. If both of them don’t start playing like All-pro’s again, the Vikings won’t only be able to simply just run the ball all game and dominant while doing it.
And that’s not mentioning the question marks they have on defense with Henderson, Griffin, Winfield, and their S’s.
by packallday555 on Aug 5, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the reasoning....
Vikings have already proven they are a playoff team with TJack.
That being said… do you think he’s worse or better with a year of watching Favre?
And furthermore…. this is year one of a new offensive scheme…. Cutler’s 3rd in 3 years…. oh yeah, it happens to be martz’s scheme that compares to War and Peace….lol
by CLF on Aug 6, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Here’s the thing though, Jackson really didn’t prove he could lead the Vikings to the playoffs. All he’s proved is that as long as he has the best run game in the league, and a top 5 defense, he can make it to the playoffs. Too me, the Vikings won’t have either of those things this season. Their OL appears to be declining, and between the injuries to Henderson, Griffin, Winfield, and the decline of Pat Williams I don’t see how their defense will be able to carry them/bail him out (like they did in 2008 too many times).
Another thing that should be noted is Jackson play in only 6 games in the regular season in 2008. In those games, he was 3-3. Not too impressive considering the supporting cast he had around him is it?
I understand what your saying regarding Martz’s new scheme this season but at the same time, I don’t think you understand how bad Turner was and how bad their OL was at times. I’ll take Martz over Turner 100 out of 100 times, and would bet their OL will improve this season as well.
I guess if Favre actually retires (which is doubtful) we’ll see.
by packallday555 on Aug 7, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with just about all of packallday's comments here
…and I’ll add to them my thoughts about CLF’s question:
do you think he’s worse or better with a year of watching Favre?
I’ve read numerous references to T-Jack learning from Favre, but here’s the thing: Favre isn’t a mentoring kind of guy (like, say, a Peyton Manning), and furthermore, what makes Favre great is largely unteachable anyway. It’s talent and luck and instinct. The downside of the “gunslinger” bit is that sometimes he takes a crazy chance and it goes all wrong. He’s only still successful because he’s good enough to makes up for it most of the rest of the time.
So my guess is that the most T-Jack could learn by observation is how to do a great fake. Favre is a master at that crap. Fools me half the time.
Is it football season yet?

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